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rural pennsylvania as law enforcement close in on a suspected cop killer believed to be hiding in the area. we'll take you to the scene. and the search for a missing university of virginia student last seen on surveillance video. >> if that young lady's touched your life in any way, you have the responsibility to help us find her. >> police investigating potential leads in the case now one week after hannah graham's disappearance. good afternoon everybody. and thanks for joining us. well, there are new concerns today after a security breach at the white house. an intruder friday night managed to jump a fence, evade security and actually make it just inside the white house doors before he was apprehended. the president and his family had just left the white house for camp david moments before the incident. nbc's kristen welker is at the white house. kristen, i understand you were actually there when this happened. tell us how this all went down. >> reporter: well, it was just stunning, betty. there were photographers standing outside who saw that
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fence jumper jump over the fence and then run up the north lawn, which is just behind me, and actually go into the north doors. that is the residence. that's where the first family lives. now, he was apprehended just moments after he walked inside the white house. but it's still a stunning security breach. the entire press corps including myself was evacuated along with white house staff members. that lasted for about half an hour until we were allowed back in once the secret service had determined that the area was secure. they have identified that man as 42-year-old omar gonzalez. they believe he may have been mentally disturbed. they say he got as far as he did because he ran very quickly. he didn't seem to be armed, so secret service officials didn't shoot at him. he wasn't carrying a bag. still, it is of deep concern to secret service agents. they say they are launching a full-scale investigation to try to determine exactly how this happened, to try to make sure this doesn't happen in the future. and they acknowledge that the
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location where he was apprehended is absolutely unacceptable. at this point in time there's no indication that anyone's going to be placed on administrative leave or fired, but betty, this is a very serious security breach. so secret service officials taking it very seriously and trying to get to the bottom of exactly what happened. >> absolutely. what do you know so far about this intruder and his possible motives? >> reporter: well, we don't really know what his motives were. again, he's 42 years old. he's from texas. and he may have been mentally disturbed according to officials here. they say that he was taken to a nearby hospital for observation. he's still in police custody. he faces charges of unlawful entry. potentially some other charges as well. so they're still trying to determine exactly what caused him to jump over the fence. and, betty, just for some context, it's not completely unusual for people to jump over the fence. someone did it just last week in fact. but usually when people jump over the fence they are
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apprehended by the secret service almost immediately. they usually don't get very far. in one instance a toddler actually slipped through the fence. but what is unusual in this instance is the fact that he made it so far so quickly. i have worked here at the white house for more than three years. i've never been evacuated in that manner before, never seen anyone actually walk through the north portico doors. there are also veteran white house correspondents here saying they've never encountered anything like it either. just to give you context of how rare that security breach is. >> extremely rare. and to get into the north portico through the doors, some people at home may just be asking don't they keep the doors locked there? >> reporter: that is one of the questions that we have been asking and trying to get an answer to. and apparently they weren't locked at that point in time. and remember, the first family had left for camp david. so the first family wasn't any any risk. no one was hurt. no shots were fired yesterday, but it's absolutely a basic
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question. why weren't the doors to the white house locked? we're still waiting to get those answers from secret service agents who are working hard to determine exactly why this happened and how it could have happened. betty. >> a lot of questions. all right, nbc's kristen welker at the white house today. kristen, thank you. >> reporter: thank you. developing now, a massive manhunt continues this hour in pennsylvania for 31-year-old eric frein. frein now one of the fbi's most wanted is suspected of fatally shooting a pennsylvania state trooper and wounding another last week. authorities hunkered down this morning in the neighborhood where frein lived with his parents. and last night officials closed several roads near the home in a wooded area of barrett township. about 20 people who couldn't get to their homes had to stay overnight at a nearby fire house. let's get right to nbc's sarah daloff live in blooming grove, pennsylvania. where do things stand right now in this search? >> reporter: well, betty, some of those roads are still close
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ed. police have ordered to continue to shelter in place. that affects about 8,000 people. not only are they being asked to stay inside, they're also being asked to stay away from their windows or any open spaces, doorways in their homes. this really illustrates the impact that this manhunt is having on daily life on regular people here. not only are they virtual prisoners in their own homes, but school's been canceled the last few days. no word on when it will reopen. and the general sense of tension and unease here in this community. law enforcement are on the ground right now searching possible hiding spots, hunting cabins, vacant vacation homes, campsites for any signs. and we've seen an increase in aerial increase. at least two helicopters we've seen up in the sky circling and searching below. keep in mind there is no guarantees, at least any that law enforcement are sharing with us right now, that frein is actually in this area. the search has been expanded to at least five other states. and it's a national manhunt at this point with his addition to
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the fbi's ten most wanted list and the increase of that reward up to $175,000. >> sarah, let's get some more information on these reports about shots being fired last night. have officials said where those shots came from, what happened with all of that? >> reporter: well, we know that shots came from the area where frein lived with his folks. that happened about 20 minutes to 7:00 here east coast time. and they're playing it very close to the vest. they're very tight-lipped about that if it's related to the search, if it's related to the lockdown later that night. we know hunters in this area have been asked not to go out in the woods and fire their weapons so police aren't accidentally chasing those leads when they could be focused on frein right now. but as for now the search is focused on this barrett and the price townships, about 8,000 people. and a total of about 75-square-miles. soft is residentiaresidential, is heavily wooded areas where a person who wants to stay hidden can easily do so. >> especially if that person is
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a survivalist as he's being described. sarah dallof live in blooming grove, pennsylvania. we'll check back with you when more developments occur. right now to the latest developments in that other big story we're following, pro football's efforts to reboot. roger goodell broke his silence friday after another week of bad headlines for the nfl. the beleaguered commissioner surfaced to announce a new plan to offset off-field violence. >> over the past several weeks we have seen all too much of the nfl doing wrong. that starts with me. the same mistakes can never be repeated. we will do whatever it is necessary to ensure that we are thorough in our review process and that our conclusions are reliable. we will get our house in order first. >> so a lot of questions remain on whether roger goodell really set the record straight.
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and today there are new developments suggesting there is more to the ray rice saga, the story that seemed to start it all. kate fagan is here with me a columnist for espn and espnw. a lot of people not happy with roger goodell. in fact, there's more fallout today. i want to read you some of what's being said. super bowl champ former seattle sidewalk, sidney rice tweeted i know people that got it wrong and don't have a job anymore. does this mean it's okay to gain zero yards on an incomplete pass? and darius butler called a press conference pointless. roger goodell hopes this is a new day for the nfl. is it truly a new day? >> in fairness, roger goodell had a really narrow lane he had to navigate in this press conference. he had a high barre set by nba commissioner adam silver navigating the donald sterling controversy, the racist comments, but he stepped to the podium and delivered a lot of emotion and conveyed leadership.
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and roger goodell, although, you know, he said a lot of smart things at the beginning and put the nfl in a good position on domestic violence, towards the end of that press conference you saw him fall back into corporate speak behind some cliches. there wasn't a ton of humanity expressed. and i think a lot of people see this domestic violence issue as so emotional for so many people. they want to see roger goodell step forward and really connect on it and he missed the mark on it. >> are you surprised he didn't take a cue from the nba on -- totally different situation obviously. but how things were handled? >> it felt like he did. when he first stepped to the podium and as questioned started to be asked of him, you could sense him knowing he wasn't in the position of absolute authority he'd been coming from. the nfl was like scandal-proof for so long, sponsors just wanted to be with them no matter what. things were breaking down. you could sense he had to open up a little bit in the beginning. and then he kind of fell back into his old routine, he became
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a little defensive. so it felt like he'd been advised to take that adam silver route. but he just couldn't make it happen. and this is a guy making $44 million a year. >> let's keep that in mind as well. >> the barre is set high for what he needs to deliver for those 32 nfl owners. if i'm one of those owners, i don't think my commissioner set the right tone. >> so as an owner you don't think you'd be happy with that press conference yesterday? >> no, i don't think so. i mean, the reaction on twitter and certainly as a human watching it i don't feel like the nfl which is coming from a place of arrogance, which really got themselves into this position with their unwillingness to step forward on domestic violence issues and do what was right rather than what they could get away with. that was the problem. hubris arrogance. he's paid to hit the right notes and he didn't. now you have everybody wanting to put an even stronger spotlight on this. you see espn come out with the outside the lines report that is bringing up new information.
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the story which could have had fewer legs and been over a while ago if the nfl just would have done the right thing and been forthcoming now looks like the story is never going to end for them. >> i want to talk about that because on to the ray rice and specific espn report today that the baltimore ravens security director was given details about the now infamous elevator video just hours after it happened. that's very key there. and that the team still lobbied the nfl for leniency. nbc news has not confirmed the details of that report, but the ravens released a statement saying the espn.com outside the lines article contains numerous erro errors. i want to make clear you were not directly involved in that report. but does that play into this sketchy timeline that we've kind of been looking at and trying to dissect? >> absolutely does. the key thing here is who saw the video and when. because the nfl is -- and
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goodell, they're hiding behind the fact they did not see the video until it was released the second part of the video, which is actually the first part in the elevator, until it was released on tmz. that's why the two-game suspension and not the full, you know, yearlong suspension -- indefinite suspension, excuse me, that we see ray rice was handed down once that video was released. but i think the key thing to remember here is that the nfl has always been weak on domestic violence. it did not start with the ray rice issue. the nfl, it's convenient for them that they didn't want to see the video. they didn't try and get the video. tmz got the video with one phone call to a casino. because we all know there are unlimited number of cameras in casinos. nfl did not try and get that video. that's pretty much an established fact. the reason they're not going hard after domestic violence is because, you know, the majority of perpetrators of domestic violence are men. and that's a key demographic for them. and this has been a long problem for the nfl. 56 allegations of domestic violence in its history, only 13
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games total for all of those allegations suspended. i mean, that's like one quarter per allegations. >> that is an astounding number. speaking of numbers, quickly, i want to ask you this. nbc news polling shows one in three americans think roger goodell needs to resign. that number is higher in fact among football fans. so stay or go? is his legacy pretty much written? >> this will be his legacy. whether he sticks around for another year or a few more years, there's a lot of people out there who think the nfl's not -- the owners are not going to want to show ultimate weakness here and fire or force goodell to resign, but that he will gradually be pushed out. you know, in the next year. and it will be because of this issue. this is in the nfl's history this is the most defining moment. this is the most turmoil they've ever been in. and he is the commissioner who has let it happen for lack of a better phrase there. >> under his watch. >> he was supposed to be the guy who came in and cracked down. >> the enforcer i think is what
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he was called, right? >> and he missed the boat on a key issue here. >> kate fagan thank you for your incite. a major development on the war front as dozens of turkish diplomats are freed. we'll ask colonel jack jacobs how this impacts the u.s. strategy going forward. and possible new clues in the search for a missing university of virginia student. stay with us. do you have something for pain? i have bayer aspirin. i'm not having a heart attack, it's my back.
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welcome back everybody. we have this developing news in the war against the militant group isis. new reports this hour of more air strikes today as u.s. planes continue to pound isis positions in iraq. american warplanes bombed targets outside baghdad and northwest of hadetha today and
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friday. a number of isis vehicles and a supply boat on the euphrates river were hit. 49 turkish hostages are back home today after what turkey's operation said was a rescue operation. the group had been taken captive three months ago when militants raided the turkish consulate in mosul. and secretary of state john kerry told the united nations security council yesterday that iran could play a role in the effort to defeat isis. listen. >> it's about taking out an entire network, decimating and discrediting a militant cult masquerading as a religious movement. the fact is there is a role for nearly every country in the world to play including iran. >> all right. let's bring in retired army colonel jack jacobs. colonel jacobs medal of honor recipient and msnbc analyst. i want to get your reaction to that. what do you think about iran taking part in this?
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>> i think iran is going to have to be part of any positive solution in the area. the big guy on the block, they have a great deal of interest in how things work out. and i think without their assistance -- without their involvement i think nothing positive will ultimately happen. it remains to us how that's going to work, but iran's part of it. make no mistake about it. >> something positive that did happen was the release of 49 turkish hostages. does this open a door? turkey was saying they don't want to get involve d in the u.. coalition because we have hostages being held by isis. the fact they're freed now, does that open the door to them being involved? >> well, you would like to think so. and it sounds like it's positive. but i don't think so. you got to remember these are turks. and the role that turkey plays in all this, the large majority of money that comes into isis through selling oil comes from shipping oil through turkey. and recently a large number of recruits have come from turkey.
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turkey i think is actually part of the problem. they can be part of the solution, but they've been very, very uncooperative. and i think they'll continue to be uncooperative. they're supposed to be a secular muslim country, but they're certainly not acting like our ally. and until we can convince them to act like our ally, they're not going to be helpful. >> you mentioned the money. let's fol throe that. do you think that had anything to do with the hostages being released? >> i would think so. in one case you have people who are murdered and there are no ransoms paid and next thing you know a whole bunch of people who get released. i think the relationship between isis and turkey is very, very dirty indeed. >> we're hearing from turkey that there was no ransom paid. we'll see how that plays out. >> aisle believe it when i see it. >> yeah. i want to move on president obama said today that the u.s. goal is going to be achieved without boots on the ground. take a listen to what he had to say. >> going forward we won't hesitate to take action against these terrorists in iraq or in syria, but this is not america's
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fight alone. i won't commit our troops to fighting another ground war in iraq or in syria. >> okay. so how realistic is that? >> not. you know, air strikes are only good to support troops on the ground. they don't have to be ours, but there needs to be troops on the ground. this is effectively wallpapering. i think the president is trying to make it look like we're doing something. it's not going to have a positive effect. you actually have to have people on the ground to be supported by the air strikes to drive isis out of iraq and into syria as a minimum. and then to stay there to keep them away. we're not going to do that. we've already committed ourselves to not doing that. if all we're going to do is air strikes it means somebody else is going to have to do that. and thus far there aren't enough -- what do they call them? moderate rebels, which is an oxymoron. there are not enough of those actually to battle isis, get them out of iraq and keep them away. so this is kicking the can down
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the road. >> inevitable in your eyes? >> no. the president has already demonstrated what he likes to do is make it look like something is happening, something does happen tactically and he pulls out. don't forget he's also respondsing to american public opinion. americans don't want boots on the ground. he said, okay, we're going to do something but it's going to cost you. >> it's a tough line. thanks, colonel. coming up, hundreds of volunteers mobilize in the search for a missing university of virginia student as police talk to the man who they believe was with her the night she disappeared. we will have a live update. and later, finding a better way to detect signs of ptsd in our troops. it's today's big idea. stay with us. rises in the world, are the largest targets in the world, for every hacker, crook and nuisance in the world. but systems policed by hp's cyber security team are constantly monitored for threats. outside and in. that's why hp reports and helps neutralize more intrusions than anyone... in the world.
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missing early last saturday morning. the last time friends say they heard from her was when she sent a text message saying she was lost, among other texts. yesterday police spoke to a man they believe was with her in a bar on the night she went missing. they say they don't have enough information though to arrest or detain him after searching his car and apartment. but police made a passionate plea urging the community to help. >> everyone within the sound of my voice has that responsibility. if you live in the city of charlottesville, if you attend the university of virginia, if that young lady's touched your life in any way, you have the responsibility to help us find her. >> joining me now jim clemente, retired fbi profiler. thanks for joining us. >> thank you, betty. >> first of all, what clues are police looking for that can actually help them in this case? >> i think the best lead they have now is that videotape, which actually shows hannah walking with that person of interest down the street that night.
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the last time she was actually seen. i think that's right before she was seen in the bar with him. and so i think that video proves that their connection. and i think they're going to be asking eyewitnesses, people at that bar. some may be reluctant because they may have been there drinking under age or drinking too much or whatever, so they may be reluctant to come forward. i would urge they all come forward because they could help save her life. >> is that going to be the key here? because police say they've searched the car, his apartment and so far they don't have enough. where else can they go? >> well, i don't think they have -- all the forensic results yet from those searches. i think they're in an overabundance of caution, they're not acting too soon. but i think they will find things in those places in those location searches. and i think the huge outpouring of community support in this massive search in the area is really going to help turn up some evidence that will help find her. >> help us understand a little bit more why this story in particular has gained so much
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attention and why we're seeing such a passionate plea? because we must keep in mind there are a lot of women, a lot of girls, a lot of people missing. they may not look like hannah. they may have a different story, a different background, a different social standing, but yet we're talking about this story. why is that? >> well, let me tell you, you are absolutely right. i think that people that look like hannah and who are at nice schools with, you know, great reputations actually get a lot of the national attention. but i will say that the fbi's child abduction rapid deployment teams and the behavioral analysis unit and the fbi in general responds to every single child abduction. and any adult abduction under these kinds of circumstances. it's just the media covers particular ones that seem to garner a lot of public support. it doesn't mean that law enforcement isn't working just as hard on every case as they are on this case. >> it seems like we're also hearing louder from some of these law enforcement in certain cases. well, i don't know if you can particularly put it solely on
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the media. but i want to talk about this one in particular too because wasn't this in the town center, if you will, where everyone goes? it's a place where people bring their families. and because of that shock factor that she was taken -- or we don't know if she was taken but we she went missing in an area where a lot of families go, a lot of people hail as the town center. >> one thing i can tell you this is a target-rich environment. at the beginning of school when new students come in or young students there who are not really of legal drinking age and were not used to drinking alcohol, it can make them more vulnerable. that means that it's going to draw people who are offenders who want to take advantage of that. and i think because of that there should be an increased police presence. there should be more video surveillance. and there should be more grouping of these students. they should not wander off on their own because they'll be more vulnerable if they do. >> jim kremente, retired fbi
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cavanaugh, msnbc law enforcement analyst and atf special agent in charge. he joins me by phone. jim, first thing i want to ask you, how in the world could something like this happen? he got through the doors. >> yeah, it's unbelievable really. the service has clearly got to tighten this up. somebody like that can bust through the doors of the residence, i mean, if they even had just a small amount of explosives tied to their belt, under their shirt, ten pounds, 20 pounds, even if they didn't endanger the president, they could, you know, blow up the residence and it would be an unbelievable disaster for the united states. >> without a doubt. you know, in this country too is still essentially at war with the militant group isis. would you expect to see heightened security around the white house and other high profile government facilities right now? >> well, we need to ramp it up. you're exactly right. i think the service absolutely needs to change it. so do all of our facilities. you know, al qaeda 2.0 over there, they want to strike us. so if they can get the chance,
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right now they don't have -- that's not exhibited the capabilities. but if they can, they will. there's a lot of danger lurking. it gives me great pause to see the president out on foot around washington. i love to see him do it. i love to see him with the people. i think that's great. but the more you do it, the more it becomes a habit, the more it becomes a habit, the more vulnerable it is to anybody who wants to attack you. so things like that haven't changed. the service has go to ramp that up, rethink that. they might need another barrier, some faster k-9. they can't ever let it happen again. >> let me ask you a bit of a personal question. have you personally served detail? and can you give us insight on the protocol here, what's going on? >> sure. many details with the service as an agent on the presidential detail, election details, election years. atf used to use us extensively.
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they're very good. they're very professional. they try to take every step. but there's always a vulnerability. but the white house is the most protected place for the service. i mean, they protect that better than anybody. certainly when the president left in marine 1 they all kind of take a deep breath. it's not that they let their security down, but when the president is at residence, everything is tighter. when he leaves on marine 1, he's taking a deep breath. it's not relaxed security. they've got to pay more attention. like they closed the road in the front in oklahoma city, that was a smart, smart decision even though it affected traffic. bombers today, suicide bombers today, al qaeda, violent antigovernment groups, people want to sniper and kill policem policemen, they come to the white house like a magnet. >> that is what is so scary, the possibility here. and when it comes to intruders
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as you mentioned, they've breached the white house fence from time to time, as recently as last week and another man jumped over the fence. is there any way though to fully protect the white house? >> well, i think it's fully protected. i think that they can change the -- maybe have a different barrier, you know, ten, 20 feet in from the other fence that's not so visual, harder to get over. they need to rethink it. you can't do things the way you always did them. you have to rethink what you're doing and come up with new and different ideas. they can do it. they've got the smarts, the people, the experience. you know, it's like churchill said, we won't make the same mistake again. we'll make new mistakes. and the issue here is don't ever make this mistake again. >> absolutely. >> you'll have fence jumpers, but they should never reach the residence. >> not get through the doors, absolutely. jim cavanaugh, thanks so much for joining us by phone. we appreciate it. >> thank you. and we are following some major stories this saturday
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including these. right now in pennsylvania police are staking out an area where they're hoping to find this suspected cop killer, eric frein, is wanted in last week's fatal shooting of a state trooper. much of the area in and around monroe county remains under lockdown. officials do consider the 31-year-old suspect to be armed and very dangerous. they've just moments ago issued a new warning to residents to stay inside their homes. meanwhile, a nationwide lockdown is in effect in the african nation of sierra leone. streets in the normally bustling capital are deserted as people are being urged to comply with emergency measures. all this in an effort to curb the spread of the ebola virus. and a county attorney's office in minnesota is seeking an order of protection for the 4-year-old son of adrian peterson. he's the minnesota vikings player who turned himself in last week on a child abuse charge. officials say the move is required under state law after the star running back was indicted for negligent or reckless injury of a child 6789
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peterson has been deactivated with pay by the team. so let's roll back the clock to 13 years ago today. it was september 20th, 2001, when president george w. bush declared a war on terror. the first time he used that phrase he said it before a joint session of congress following the 9/11 attacks. weeks later u.s. forces invaded afghanistan. here are some of what president bush said. >> our war on terror begins with al qaeda, but it does not end there. it will not end until every terrorist group of global reach has been found, stopped and defeated.
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northwest of hadetha today and on friday. a number of vehicles and supply boat on the euphrates river were hit. his country is prepared to give whatever support is needed in the fight against isis, but the president offered no specifics. the new u.s. involvement in the middle east to fight isis and the impending withdrawal of forces from afghanistan is again sparking a national conversation on post-traumatic stress disorder. a group of scientists in california have a new way to identify people at risk for ptsd and other disorders often undetected, like depression. they do it all using a computer. it's a virtual therapist. and it is today's big idea. so the computer known as ellie turns sensors onto human expressions to look at facial expressions and the way they move. a way to tell what a patient is really thinking and how they are really feeling. team members and a team behind the project, lead searcher gail
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and skip, join me now. they're both with the usc institute for creative technologies. thanks for joining us. >> hi. thanks for having us. >> absolutely. skip, let me start with you. this has already been used on u.s. troops in afghanistan. tell us how it works. >> well, basically we have a digital agent, a virtual human, that asks questions to a service member, and they're in a private room. and the character gets to ask questions in a way that provokes the patient -- in this case not a patient, in this case service member, to talk about things that are relevant to them. at the same time we're scanning their face, their body posture, gesture, behavior, how they speak and analyzing that for clues that maybe they're uncomfortable or maybe they have a deeper problem that might prevent them from performing really well in a combat environment. >> this is fascinating. gayle, i want to bring you in. because how many sensors do these androids have to measure a
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person's responses and expressions? how does this work internally? >> well, we're using a system that has a lot of different abilities to pick up a range of behaviors from facial expressions. and it's not just sensing its overall picture of a person's mental state and how distressed they are from their voice to the expressions on their face like sadness, happiness. and even latency of how long it takes them to respond. >> sadness, happiness, that can kind of be easy if you're smiling or you're not, but can it pick up subtleties? what are some of the biggest giveaways in terms of facial expression and body gestures that people are uncomfortable or nervous or those kinds of emotion sns. >> absolutely. it's able to really look at something objectively. when you're one-on-one with a person, you bring in your own perspective on what they're feeling. but the computer can sense objectively how they're feeling
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looking at all of the different behaviors. and together it's not just one thing or another, it's the whole package of voice and facial displays that's really the best predictor. not any one given behavior. >> skip -- >> more specifically, we can look at things like if somebody looks down when they're asked a question or if they're hesitant in the reply or if there's a lot of space between words. there's a lot of these subtle perimeters that really adept psychologists are attuned to and we're trying to give the computer that kind of a perceptual ability on a person. >> little nuances like that. and you talk about a machine versus an actual therapist. i want to get into that because why have a machine do this job? what can it offer that an actual human therapist can't? are you hoping this replaces human therapists? >> no, we're not trying to replace humans. we're trying to let humans do what they're good at and let the
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computer do what it's good at. we're hoping people are more open and more honest to a computer than they are to a human. they feel more comfortable and less likely to be judged. so they'll share more personal information. >> that's a very interesting point. all right, gayle lucas and skip rizzo, thank you both for joining us. >> thank you. and do you have a big idea? let us know about it on twitter using #whatisthebigidea. or e-mail us. it is a new school year, and new students and classrooms across america for some districts those are hundreds of undocumented minors who cross the border earlier this year. up next we will show you how one school district is working to educate a thousand new kids from across the border. irresistabowl. completely unbelievabowl... totally delectabowl. real silky smooth or creamy broths. everything she's been waiting for. carefully crafted with real seafood,
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all right. so officially we'll have to wait until tomorrow, but for all intents and purposes summer is over. sorry, kids. and with the end of summer comes the start of a new school year,
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a school year with a lot of new faces and communities across the country. more than 37,000 undocumented immigrant children crossed the southern border between january and july of this year. and they are showing up at public schools this fall. because of a 1982 supreme court ruling, they cannot be turned away. but the surge in students can put a strain on classrooms and local communities. one of those is fairfax county, virginia, the nation's tenth largest school district where they are now teaching more than 1,000 undocumented new students. the vice chairman of the school board joins me now. thanks for being with us today. >> thank you for having me. >> all right. so more than 1,000 new students in your county. give us a sense of the numbers here. what proportion of your student body is that? >> well, as you said, we're the tenth largest school district in the country. we have 187,000 students and we're constantly growing. we've been growing by 2,000 or 3,000 students each year over
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the past decade. and we expect to reach 200,000 by the end of this decade. >> that is a lot of growth. you know, some school districts including miami-dade and a couple in texas are asking the federal government for more money. how is fairfax county handling this influx of students? >> yes, well, first of all -- i'll come back to the issue of federal money in a second. let me just say this really is not a new issue for us in fairfax county. we educate every child who comes in the door regardless of their status and prepare them for adulthood and the workforce and college and beyond. what we are seeing is the demographic trends as more and more students are coming in that more of them -- greater percentages are speaking english as a second language. and a greater percentage of them are coming in with free and reduced price meals, which is our measure of the level of
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poverty. what i could point out in fairfax county is the second highest median income in the united states, yet we do have schools for instance out of 196 schools we have 45 schools that are at 50% or more meeting the poverty level. and seven that are above 75%. so we have a variety of services that we target towards children that are in need. and the undocumented children that we're talking about likely fall within one or both of those categories. but this is nothing new for us. >> so who's picking up the tab? is it your county, is it the state, federal government? are you asking for more help? >> oh, you know, we are asking for more help. and like all school districts throughout the country we're facing a lot of cost pressures. a year ago actually the budget we're currently executing right now we had to cut $100 million. what happens is the impact of
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speakers of another language and the impact of children who are coming from backgrounds in poverty does mean that the cost per student is higher. so that's adding to one of many cost pressures that we experience. i'm very much personally of the view that, you know, this is a federal issue. the federal government could be very helpful to us in providing some impact aid for addressing this issue. because in the end the bill for the additional cost here in fairfax county falls on the fairfax county property taxpayer. >> so what are you hearing from them? what is the community, what are the schools in terms of how parents and teachers think, what needs to be addressed here? >> you know, we live in a very diverse community. our superintendent likes to describe us as the united nations of public schools.
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we have students from all countries in the world. they speak over 200 languages. we are welcoming of everyone that comes in. and it enriches our cultural inheritance here in fairfax county. i thank my lucky stars that my two daughters, kathrine and elizabeth, graduated with the school system here and came in contact with students from all around the world because it will prepare them for their life ahead in the coming century. >> all right. ted velkoff of the fairfax county school board. thanks for joining us. >> thank you very much. coming up, secret service facing tough questions after a man darts across the white house lawn and through the doors of the white house. happening right now, a major manhunt underway in rural pennsylvania for a man suspected of ambushing and killing a state trooper. at this hour a new warning to residents from police. we will go there live next. how much money do you have in your pocket right now? i have $40, $21. could something that small make an impact on something as big as your retirement? i don't think so.
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rural pennsylvania as law enforcement close in on a suspected cop killer believed to be hiding in the area. we will take you live to the scene. also, held hostage. isis says it has more western hostaging in captivity. now a former prisoner held for more than a year in iran is weighing in on how the u.s. government rescues americans held overseas. she joins me this hour. white house intruder, serious security questions this afternoon after a man scales a fence, runs across the lawn and through the doors of the white house. hello and thanks for joining us everyone. i'm betty wynn. the secret service investigating a serious security breach at the white house. an intruder friday night managed to jump a fence, evade security and actually make it just inside the white house doors before he was apprehended. the president and his family had just left the white house for camp david moments before that incident. nbc's kristen welker is at the white house. kristen, you were there when this happened. tell us what you know about this intruder and how he managed to actually get through the front
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doors. >> reporter: well, that's the big question on this saturday, betty. how did he manage to get through the front doors? that's what the secret service is investigating as we speak. i can tell you that this all started last night at 7:20 p.m. that is when a man who secret service officials have identified as 42-year-old omar gonzalez of texas. jumped over the north lawn fence, ran up the north lawn, which is right behind me, and ran into the north portico doors. those are the doors to the residence where the first family lives. now, the first family, again, we want to make this point very clear, wasn't home at the time. they'd already left for camp david. so they weren't in any danger. secret service officials tell me that the man didn't appear to be armed. he wasn't holding a bag. so he wasn't fired upon. and he was apprehended almost immediately as soon as he walked through those doors. still, this is a huge security breach. the white house press corps was evacuated last night when this all happened, as you mentioned, betty, i was there.
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i was one of the people who was evacuated. white house staffers were also evacuated for a period of time while the secret service made sure that this entire area and that the white house was clear that there weren't any explosives or anything else on the property. and then we were allowed back on to the property. there was another sweep earlier today. secret service clearly very concerned about this. they acknowledge that the location where that man was apprehended is just unacceptable. right now gonzaga is in police custody. he was taken to a nearby hospital for observation. one official telling me he might be mentally ill. so they're looking into that possibility. they don't know exactly what led him to jump over the fence. but the secret service reviewing their protocols and their procedures trying to determine exactly how this could have happened. trying to make sure it doesn't happen again, betty, as you and i have been discussing, the man was able to get through the front door. which means that the front door was open. so that's another question. why was it open? and does that need to be changed? a lot of questions that the
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secret service are going to need to answer as they continue with this investigation, betty. >> yeah, why wasn't the front door locked? we all know to lock the front door, right? my question to you is this, are you feeling today a sense of heightened security around the white house as a result of this? because this isn't the first fence-jumper we've seen. we saw one earlier this month and even a toddler managed to get through before that. >> reporter: right. there's not a heightened sense of security. but again, earlier today there was a sweep of the grounds of the white house. secret service won't confirm that that was related to the events of last night, but it did come in the wake of last night. so they are clearly being very careful this morning throughout the afternoon. i wouldn't say they are necessarily more secret service officials here. having said that, again, they are aware this was a huge security breach. and of course it comes on the heels of this agency really trying to rebuild its image in the wake of a number of scandals including that scandal that
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happened back in 2012 when 13 secret service agents and officials were implicated in a prostitution scandal in colombia ahead of a presidential trip there. so the agency very much in the process of rebuilding itself, rebranding its image. there is a new director of the secret service, julia pierson. this is not something they would like to have happen in the process of trying to rebuild their image. >> thank you, kristen, for informing us. and to a breaking story we've been following at this hour a new warning to two communities in monroe county, pennsylvania, stay inside your homes as the manhunt continues for eric frein. frein is on the fbi's most wanted list is suspected of fatally shooting a pennsylvania state trooper and wounding another last week. you're looking at new video now from the manhunt as officers have set up checkpoints and
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blocked roads in monroe county. several roads have been closed last night near a home in a wooded area of barrett township. some 20 people didn't have access to their homes forcing them to stay overnight at a nearby firehouse. let's get to nbc's sarah dallof. what's the latest in this search? >> reporter: we're seeing a lot of movement on the ground and in the air today as officers and law enforcement really narrow their focus on this barrett internship and the neighboring price township. that is where 8,000 people, 8,000 people, have been asked to stay not only inside of their homes today but away from any windows or open doors right now as officers comb the ground. they're looking for campsites, they're looking at empty vacation rental homes and cabins for any sign of eric frein. this really gives you an idea of how it is affecting life here and how it has affected life here now for eight days. people, virtual prisoners, 8,000 people virtual prisoners inside their homes. schools in this area were
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canceled the past couple days and they'll be closed indefinitely. we're not sure when they're going to be opened. and a general sense of unease people don't know exactly what's going on and not sure where the next checkpoint or closed road is going to pop up here today. a lot of caution and unease here in the community. now, law enforcement has been as many as 200 people on the ground combing these areas with dogs, with s.w.a.t. teams. it started again last night after shots were fired just before 7:00 last night in an area near where frein lived with his parents. now, that neighborhood was on lockdown as was surrounding areas. and residents still being asked to continue to shelter in place right now. of course this took on a national manhunt, a national element when he was added to the fbi's ten most wanted list, betty. and that reward was increased to $175,000. >> you talk about 100 people -- hundreds of people on the ground searching. and we looked at some of the areas that were cordoned off by
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officers in that new video that was coming in. how big is this search area? >> reporter: it's around 75 square miles, these two townships. and some of it's residential, some is commercial. but a lot of it is this dense forest, these woods. i was talking to some hunters about what it's like inside those woods and they're telling me it's so thick and so dense and there are caves and creeks and just a lot of places to hide that if someone wanted to do so they could do so very successfully. especially if they had survivalist training like frein reportedly does. >> yeah, that's what's kind of frightening out of all of this that this guy does have those survivalist skills. all right, the hunt is still on. nbc's sarah dallof, thank you for that update. of course we'll be checking in with you should anything develop. we are also following new developments in the middle east and the conflict with the militant group isis. reports of more air strikes as u.s. planes continue to pound isis targets in iraq. a number of isis vehicles and a
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supply boat on the euphrates river were hit. and 49 turkish hostages are back home today after what turkey's president said was a covert rescue operation. the group had been taken captive by isis three months ago when the militants raided the turkish consulate in mosul. president obama yesterday signed a $1 trillion spending bill, a continuing resolution. it included authorization of his plan to aid syrian rebels in the fight against isis. the president today applauded congress for acting, take a listen. >> a majority of democrats and a majority of republicans in both the house and the senate have now approved a first key part of our strategy by wide margins. they've given our troops the authority they need to train syrian opposition fighters so that they can fight isil in syria. >> all right. i want to bring in now california democratic congressman eric swallow. he sits on the homeland security committee. congressman, thanks for joining us. >> good morning, betty. >> so you voted against the continuing resolution.
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why is that? >> first, i think we need to be honest with the american people. and if we're going to expand this operation in the middle east, and we shouldn't be mistaken, isil is a threat. but we should ask for authorization from the congress. this was an amendment to a spending bill. and what it asks the congress to do was to take a fighting force in syria who is fighting against the assad regime with limited success, to take them outside of the country to saudi arabia to vet them, to train them and in some time take them back to syria and hope that they redirect their fire away from the assad regime and take them now to fight isil. i think we have enough standing armies who are allies of ours that we should be working with in the middle east rather than trying to fight a proxy war, which in the past has not worked out so well over the last 50 years for our military. >> so you're basically saying these rebels may not be able to be trusted. if you don't think the u.s.
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should arm them, then what should be done. >> i think what we should and i was in the region i met with president al sisi in egypt, king in jordan. we need to have our allies in the region step up in a more meaningful way. egypt is committing to do whatever it takes to go after isil. but i think we have allies in the region whose very existence is threatened by isil. they need to step up and work with us in a coordinated way. having a syrian fighting force that is untested and unproven fight instead of against assad and now against isil, i think it's too risky for us. it hasn't worked in the past. frankly, betty, the congress should be asked to authorize this expansion of the campaign against isil. instead this was just kind of an amendment to a much larger spending package. and i don't think that is in accordance with the war powers act. >> let me dig deeper for just a second because you're asking that these countries in the area
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step up in a more meaningful way. those are your words. explain to me what you mean by that. specifically what do you mean by a more meaningful way? >> the u.s. air campaign against isil right now is working. and it's effective. however, to have real success over isil we need these country who is are threatened most by isil to have, i believe, their armies fighting isil as well. we're seeing the peshmerga in iraq having success, but i believe that the jordanian, egyptian and even saudi arabia armies, countries who are threatened if isil can expand, they have to step up. they are the troops that are going to be needed to fight isil. it's not going to be american troops. that didn't work in 2003 in iraq. it's going to be middle east countries stepping up fighting for their existence. and also making sure that these fighters don't make their way west or to the united states. >> well, you know, this continuing resolution expires december 11th. and politico reports, and i'm going to read this to you, because come december is what they say the administration will have to sell lawmakers on a
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longer-term strategy finding a consensus on war may be this congress toughest task. will the president have easier or harder time getting support after elections? >> i think he should have done this last week, if the president comes and asks for the use of military force against isil, i will support, i believe the majority of democrats to support that. what there's hesitancy is arming proxy war rebels as we saw in syria. and only about just a little over half of the democrats and about a third of the republicans were -- so half the democrats supported this, a third of the republicans did not support it. there's real questions about whether this is the most effective way to do it. i think congress has to authorize any further force in the middle east. it's what the war powers act calls for. and i think it also strengthens the president's hand. >> i want to get this quick, given your role on the house
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homeland security committee, what do you think of the white house fence jumper? >> the white house is a very wide and open grounds. i think there's a big difference when the president is in and when he's not. this occurred when the president was outside the presence and the secret service showed measured restraint. had the president been on the grounds, i think it could have been much worse for the individual who hopped the fence and made his way into the residence. so i think it's a testament to their training that they were able to, you know, hold their fire and that this person is still alive. >> all right. congressman eric swalwell, thanks so much for joining us. >> thank you. and coming up, a national debate is underway about the u.s. policy against paying ransoms for american hostages held by isis. we talked to an american who was held captive in iran about what she thinks the u.s. government should do. and a nation on lockdown. one of the country's hardest hit by e bbola is demanding everyon
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dangers of the virus but also identifying people who may pass the disease to others. sierra leone is one of three west african countries hit hardest by ebola. according to the world health organization over 2,500 people have died due to this virus. the united nations adopted a resolution on thursday calling the outbreak a threat to the international peace and security. u.n. security secretary general that is ban ki-moon will meet with world leaders next week. they'll discuss the response as the u.n. general assembly gets underway here in new york. mr. ban gave a frightening status report on the outbreak. >> a number of cases every three weeks. there will soon be more cases in liberia alone than in the four decade history of the disease. >> all right. let's get down to it. and joining me now is dr. devy with the nyu school of medicine. listening to all of that, it is quite frightening. and very scary to think that
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this is spreading and rather quickly and not a lot according to a lot of organizations is being done to stop it at the moment although there's a lot of effort underway. world leaders, they are gathering for this general assembly. what can they do? and can it be done fast enough? >> well, i think they should follow what the government is doing right now. the local government in terms of making diplomatic efforts to win the support of local people. that's a little more than just a medical mission. that's a diplomatic mission. if we look at it from the point of view of the local people, you know, they don't have the same tools we have. they can't find their news on the internet and watch tv and find out what's going on. all they can rely on is what they see. what they've seen is people were coming down with some viral symptoms. then all of a sudden these foreign relief workers disappeared and pretty soon people were dying in the streets and it became absolute chaos, right? so from their point of view they may associate the ebola virus and deaths with the foreign relief workers. we see some evidence of that because people are already starting to attack quarantine
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centers. there have been attacks on the relief workers. so one of the problems is that we have to win their support in order to actually beat ebola, to be able to contain it. i mean, it might sound a little bit strange, but we see this here all the time too even with flu. when the flu virus goes around, people see some of those symptoms and then they go to get their vaccine. well, all of a sudden if they get symptoms afterwards, sometimes people blame the vaccine instead of the flu itself. we could have that same problem over there. if the people actually believe that, you know, that it's the end of the world, if they lose hope from seeing all of these things, they could attack the government and create a lot of instability. >> could totally backfire. speaking of governments, here's what we understand about what president obama has planned. he released this plan to help the countries affected by ebola. there are numbers i want to put up on the screen. 3,000 troops to the region affected. delivers 17 100-beds to liberia and training as many as 500 local health care workers a week. is that going to be enough though? >> it's hard to say for sure.
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i think we need to be able to treat at least 10,000 people at a time. these are really populated areas we're talking about. it's not just the people that have ebola, it's also people who have other medical problems like heart disease or coming in for something else and getting infected with ebola there. we need to have the treatment centers, but it's not just the beds either. you can put up walls, but if you look at local infrastructure for that area, they don't have running water all the times. >> there are a lot of factors at play. >> yeah, in order to run a treatment center you have to have those things available. we're talking body fluids spreading the virus, how are they getting rid of that? so i think the military is the best equipped, military personnel to go in and do this, but it's more challenging than it would be to build those centers here in the u.s. for example. >> well, while i have you here and speaking of here in the u.s., i want to switch topics to something we're dealing with. it's this enterovirus, it's affecting a lot of children in fact. give us an idea of what needs to be done. we're seeing 160 people from 22 states are confirmed to have this respiratory illness, as i mentioned mostly children.
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and it can start as a cold which you don't think that much of but it can develop rapidly into more severe symptoms. what do parents need to know so they don't rush off to the emergency room every time they see their child sneeze or cough? >> well, sneezing, coughing, body aches, i mean, these are the things that can happen with any kind of cold virus. so the parents don't have to get alarmed by that specifically. the thing about this one is it can actually affect your breathing. if you see your child having trouble breathing and you can tell because sometimes they'll be wheezing or otherwise might see people using muscles in their neck or around their check to see more. if you see things like that, go to the er. in terms of preventing, best thing is handwashing. and i also sometimes use alcohol swabs and stuff to swab doorknobs, phone, remote control. >> i swab everything. trust me. just making sure that we don't get sick. all right. thank you so much for your insight today. >> thank you. >> dr. devi with us. nfl commissioner roger goodell is promising to fix the way the league handles players
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accused of domestic violence. he addressed reporters at a news conference on friday. goodell said at its best the league sets an example that makes a positive difference but that over the past few weeks people have seen the nfl doing too much wrong. we're going to take all this to our brain trust, that is coming up including some new developments in the ray rice case about who knew what when. ♪ mmm mmm mmm mm mmm mm mmmmmm here we go, here we go, here we go. ♪ fifty omaha set hut ♪ losing feeling in my toes ♪ ♪ nothing beats that new car smell ♪ ♪ chicken parm you taste so good ♪ ♪ nationwide is on your side ♪ mmm mmm mmm mm mmm mm mmmmmm [ woman ] if you have moderate to severe rheumatoid arthritis like me, and you're talking to your rheumatologist about a biologic...
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get this guy pretty soon. >> let's get you up to speed on some of the other top stories we are following for you. in virginia a different kind of search, some 1,100 volunteers are scouring the area around the the university of virginia for clues into the disappearance of student hannah graham. the 18-year-old has now been missing for a week. police say they are following a lead from a surveillance video and have a man they deem a person of interest. secret service is assessing security at the white house after a major security breach. a man was actually able to jump a fence and make it all the way inside the doors of the north portico. he was apprehended. president obama and family had just left minutes before for camp david. and some new developments in the fight against the isis militant group. today 49 turkish hostages are back home after a covert rescue operation. the group was taken captive three months ago when extremists raided the turkish consulate in mosul. meanwhile u.s. warplanes continue to hit isis targtss in iraq today.
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see it or not, it always fills you with energy. hello everybody. back now with that big story we've been following today. what's promised to be a new day in pro football after ten days without speaking to the media yesterday, nfl commissioner roger goodell finally addressed the spate of domestic abuse allegations against players. but today after an apology and vows for an overhaul, bad headlines are again taking the front page. and espn report says the baltimore ravens were given details about that now infamous elevator video almost immediately after it happened. and despite that early knowledge, the team reportedly urged the nfl to go easy on ray rice. nbc news has not confirmed the details of the report. but you'll remember that video shows the now-former running back knocking out his then-fianc
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then-fiancee. for their part the ravens call the article erroneous and inaccurate. also out today, the "new york times" details the nfl's history of leniency when it comes to allegations of domestic abuse. it all shows the league is still drowning in controversy and has a lot of work to do. let's bring in the brain trust that is, tonya young williams, for safe passage, an organization devoted -- her estranged husband released from prison in 2012 after 18 months behind bars for being charged with aggravated assault in the shooting death of a limo driver. jason williams has not been charged or convicted of domestic violence. and to be fair, he is not here to defend himself. also with me is sports columnist terrence moore and lisa bloom. all of you thank you so much for joining us. i want to start with you,
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terrence. this struck me yesterday from roger goodell. take a listen. >> we have 20 owners in the office this week for prescheduled committee meetings and preparation for league meeting next month. and we're just focusing on getting our work done. and so are they. >> so he met with 20 nfl owners this week. he didn't say that any of these scandals were addressed. what else though, terrence, could they possibly be talking about in there? >> what they are talking about, to put it in football lingo, they were telling roger goodell to use the prevent defense, don't give up any big plays. that's why he looked absolutely silly to the public but perfectly okay to the owners. remember now, the owners are the people who hired him. and they're all in cahuts together. here's the thing people have to realize. everybody's focusing on what the league is not doing in regard to domestic violence. it's not just the league itself.
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it's all these individual teams, all 32 of them. okay. they have looked at this stu stuff -- looked the other way for years. i've been covering the national football league since 1970s. one of the teams i covered closely when i worked for the san francisco examiner were the oakland raiders. this was animal house rated xxx five times six underline. >> wow. >> every day there was something going on. the only reason you didn't hear about it was because you didn't have msnbc back then. you didn't have tmz. you didn't have the internet. and as a matter of fact i talked to a couple of former nfl players just yesterday and they've all but admitted things were actually worse in the old days. so it's always been there. so i'll give roger goodell a little bit of a break even before him this was a problem. and it's going to continue to be a problem unfortunately. >> well, lisa, let me bring you in here. that was a lot to be thrown out there on the table. but we also saw that
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now-infamous "time" magazine coffer in 2012 claiming him as the enforcer. what a dramatic turn of events. terence gives him credit but knowing what we know now, what should that headline say today? >> i give him zero credit. he needs to go. after the espn report yesterday, which i have read in detail, this scandal has changed dramatically. previously the nfl was saying we didn't see the ray rice video, we didn't know, we made a mistake, now we're taking it more seriously. what espn is now alleging is that the nfl and the ravens actually put their finger on the scales of justice to help ray rice get leniency, that there was this culture of concealment, that they were working hand-in-hand with his defense attorney, they were writing letters to the prosecutor asking for leniency. and, you know, this is something i think women know -- we know in our bones, if we're a domestic violence victim and we're up against somebody who's wealthy and powerful and has a lot of powerful friends, this is the way the system is going to go
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for us. which is why domestic violence continues especially when it's a powerful man who's the batterer. so i think the nfl has a lot to answer for. and i think goodell has to go. >> well, tonya, that "new york times" report we mentioned says that since 2007 -- and this is really shocking to me, players are arrested for things like dui, marijuana possession or weapons charges were more likely to receive harsher punishments than those under suspicion for domestic violence. what kind of message does that send? >> it sends the wrong message no doubt. and what it shows is that domestic violence has never been taken quite as seriously as it should have been in the nfl and everywhere. i mean, we know and we accept the fact that domestic violence is happening behind closed doors. and until you get a video like this that involves somebody of such a high profile are we beginning to talk about domestic violence and the harm it causes. we have to remember that football is just a game. domestic violence is about life and about death. and we must put in programs, not only within the nfl, within our
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judicial system that holds perpetrators accountable. this slap on the wrist of an assault that goes down to a pti is laughable. and if they're not deterrents that make people say i'm not going to continue this criminal conduct, it's going to continue. lives are going to continue to be lost. victims are going to continue to be afraid to call in for the help they need. >> lisa, you write on avo.com, "the elevator video does not change any facts. he punched her to unconsciousness. that was known in february. what did change was the vivid representation of his swinging at her, hitting her squarely, her sudden drop, his then pulling her nonresponsive frighteningly lifeless form into the casino." is this just the nfl reacting like this and other domestic violence cases solely because there's such public reaction to the casino video? and how is this for sponsors playing into the decision of
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changing policy as well? >> money is swirling all around this case. that's why the nfl and ravens worked so hard to hush this up. the espn report has example after example about how the ravens and the nfl knew about the video, that it was described to them in detail on phone calls by people who had seen it. and they didn't ask for it. they didn't want it. in fact, they wanted to keep it quiet. it was all about pr and spin control instead of justice. justice wasn't a priority. doing the right thing wasn't a priority. instead protecting the batterer was job one for them. >> tanya, let me bring you back in here. >> yes. >> why is it so hard to adjudicate domestic violence? why isn't it clear you hit a woman you pay the price? >> well, one of the biggest problems is that very oftentimes the victim is still in love with her abuser and does not want to assist the police or prosecution in the case. but, you know, the nfl has a position and goodell, i don't agree he should go. i may be the lone voice here, but i think because he is under such pressure we as advocates
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and activists might get more out of him doing the right thing now because he is under pressure that has never been felt before. i would have loved to hear him say yesterday we are going to implement a zero tolerance policy. we're going to educate the players. we're going to tell them what domestic violence is. what are the consequences in the nfl, and in the criminal justice system? and if you don't buy in, you're out of here. additionally -- >> hold on a second, tanya. i want to go back to something you said because i wanted to let your sentence play out. but at the same time you said you don't think he should resign. this is a man where this happened under his watch. do you think he's the right man to make this work, if you will? >> absolutely. my position is unless we find out that he was involved in the cover-up, and that is the caveat, unless we find out he was involved with the cover-up, i believe that he is in a position because he is under so much pressure to do the right thing that now he's going to have to listen. he's going to have to implement policies that are going to be helpful, not only to the nfl but to the country at large. the nfl has such influence over
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what happens in our congress, what happens to people on the street, that roger goodell could be the voice that changes domestic violence in a positive way that we haven't seen in years. >> all right. very quickly, terence moore, lisa bloom, one-word answer. should he stay or go? >> he's got to stay because he's making $44 million a year. and the average nfl franchise is worth $1.4 billion. we already mentioned it's all about money. the owners love him. he's not going anywhere. >> we got two for him staying. lisa, what do you think? >> malfeasancmalfeasance. he's got to go and we need a new investigation and new policy. >> the brain trust right here. thanks to all three of you. some call it a brutal way to spread propaganda. isis using hostages to help recruit more terrorists. next, i'll talk to a woman who was held prisoner in iran for over a year. she says the u.s. policy against paying ransoms to rescue american hostages does not work. we asked people a question, how much money do you think you'll need when you retire?
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49 turkish hostages are back home today after being held captive by the militant group isis. turkey's president said the hostages were rescued in a covert rescue operation. the group had been taken captive three months ago. meanwhile though back in the u.s. the cold-blooded executions of three westerners, two american and a british citizen by isis have just horrified americans. and the u.s. policy of not negotiating with isis for the release of hostages is now being questioned by many. the mother of murdered hostage james foley claimed last week the government threatened her family with prosecution if they reached out to the hostage takers. white house officials have denied threatening the family. white house press secretary josh earnest explained the administration's position this way. >> it is the long standing policy of this administration. it was the policy of previous administrations, that ransoms should not be paid to terrorist organizations. paying ransoms only puts other americans in a position where
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they're at even greater risk. >> in 2009 sarah was one of three american hikers captured by iranian troops along the country's border with iraq. they were held on espionage charges and spent more than a year in iranian jails. sarah here with me now currently working with the human rights group united for iran. all right, so help us understand what these hostages go through? you spent a lot of time there. did you have much contact? what were you being told? how are you dealing with it as the rest of us watch and hope you're being released soon? >> well, i knew very early on that the only way i was going to get out was some kind of concession from my government. i was told that from my captors. and i knew enough about the u.s. purported policy, the no concession policy, that i was very afraid that that was unlikely to happen. >> so you didn't believe them at all? you just thought they were telling you this. but even if the u.s. cooperated it wasn't going to help your situation? >> no, i believed them very much. >> oh, you did believe them.
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>> i just didn't think it was very likely that my government would be willing to give concessions. and i was afraid that the political environment meant that i would be there for a very long time. and i was there for a very long time. over a year. >> yes, indeed, you were. do you think the u.s. should rethink its policy? >> i do. the u.s. purports to have a no concession policy, that means they give no ransom, they trade no prisoners. frankly, that is just patently false. the u.s. does negotiate for hostages. they say that's their policy, but there are many, many cases that show the opposite. the problem with u.s. policy right now is they often go through third parties, which is a smart way to do it. in my case the government of oman paid my ransom -- the iranian government called it bail. this is a smart way to negotiate when you can't negotiate directly. the u.s.'s policy allows it to pick and choose who it's going to either pay ransom for or do what it needs to do to get free. and it's often people that work
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for the cia or soldiers. and my argument is that we need to safeguard the work of journalists and humanitarian workers just as much as we do our servicemen and women and the people that work for the u.s. government. >> but isn't there a fear and a mistrust and a reason for this policy that if you give this money, if you pay this ransom, all that it's going to do is fuel and fund the hostage takers. and they may not even let your people go. >> of course. and i'm not saying this is an easy decision or that it's black and white. you have to look at it dispassionately. of course i have feelings about this because i lived it. when i look at james foley's mother, i feel incredible emp think for her and anger at her situation. but i also understand because i was inside of negotiations for my husband and friends release for a year, i met with national security council, oman and u.s. governments many, many times on this issue. i understand that it's a careful calculation for them. and in the case of these journalists beheaded by isis and
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the ones still there, there's a young woman and another man that are americans, the damage that's been done by these videos, this propaganda that isis can use to recruit countless people, the fact that this -- these brutal, hideous images are escalating an all-out war, the ramifications are unquantifiablunquantifiable unimaginable. i think this is a case where it shouldn't have gotten this far. it should have been negotiated early on. to say that the u.s. and europe have very different policies around this, yes, european countries have paid a lot of money to al qaeda and as far as i know the u.s. hasn't done that. but the u.s. has gotten its people out. they've found the money, the money has gotten paid when it needs to get paid. and i argue that in this situation that should have happened a long time ago. it never should have gotten to this point. and frankly if isis knows that they're not going to get money for american and british captives, that gives them an incentive to kill. >> or does it give them an incentive to stop? because they're not going to get their way. and this method isn't going to work.
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>> i really don't think they are going to stop. i don't think we've seen any indication that this group is going to back away. i think that they want more propaganda. they're getting more recruits. and they're coming out of this ahead of the game. >> sarah shourd, thanks so much for spending time with us. good to see you in person. we appreciate the insight that you've been able to bring to the table today. some call it a two-wheeled revolution in afghanistan. next, i will talk with a woman who is using a bicycle to help empower women and girls in one of the most dangerous countries in the world. you're driving along,
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she is the founder and president of mountain to mountain, a nonprofit focused on helping women in regions of conflict. and she is out with her memoir, mountain to mountain, a journey of adventure and activism for the women of afghanistan. thank you for joining us. >> thanks so much for having me. >> all right. so you started out working on women's rights and issues there. and then you just decided, hey, i'm going to bring my bike. where did you get this idea? >> well, i've been traveling and working in afghanistan for about a year and a half. and i was struck by how incredibly beautiful the country is and that there were areas of this country that would be explorable. >> we're talking about afghanistan. >> we are. it's stunningly beautiful. stunningly beautiful. and as a foreign woman i can push on certain boundaries where -- >> so you felt safe? >> i feel safe most of the time. i work hard to mitigate my risk. and i only did this in provinces and in villages where i either already knew the locals or i
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knew people who knew people and we could ask and have these questions around the idea of a sharing of culture. you know, really the bike while it was partly, you know, my desire as a mountain biker to explore this country in a different way, at the same time it became an incredible ice breaker. and the men that i encountered during the rides immediately were met -- i was met with curiosity versus animosity. and the conversations that arose about a sharing of culture, why was i there, what was the work that i was doing, then allowed me to organically ask why can't afghan girls ride bikes? >> let me set the stage here because this didn't just happen yesterday. this happened back in 2009. >> yes. >> so the climate was very different. you took your bike with you. and your first line of your book reads, this is a bad idea. >> yeah. >> you biked alone through the mountains. >> i did. >> and you say it was, you know, a barrier breaker, it helps you
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spark conversation. but somewhere in there you had to be a little nervous. >> oh, definitely. i mean, the very first ride, that ride that starts the book out with this is a bad idea was an experiment of sorts. in a province where i had been working, where i knew locals and i had asked them how they felt about if i was going to ride a bike would they be okay with that. they loved it. it was a really interesting concept for them, obviously, as a foreign woman to come in. but i have definitely been aware of the risks. >> so how did you get other women involved in this? this peddling for a revolution. that's how you describe it. >> i had nothing to do with that in terms of starting them in the beginning. it's a huge risk for afghan women. that was not something i expected to see happen any time soon. i discovered in 2012 that there were girls riding bikes as part of a national team. and i've been supporting them, coaching them, training them
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ever since. and allowing that to organically start to go forward. >> i didn't even know there was an afghan women's cycling team that does exist today. and what are they doing to break those barriers? >> so they've been racing outside of their country in india and pakistan, most recently in astana. and they are learning to ride bikes. these are women who literally have learned in the last two or three years how to ride a bicycle. and then now you see other high school and college girls taking full advantage of this post-taliban era to learn a new sport and do a new activity that is simply for the joy of it. >> it's a personal achievement but it's also a very symbolic achievement. >> very much so. the bike has always been a symbol of freedom. i think you see that on their faces wherever they ride. >> shannon, thanks so much for sharing your story and helping others with theirs. we do appreciate it. author of "mountain to
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