inside every prison cell or in any jail block we find harrowing stories. all of a sudden, there was blood coming out of my eye. i knew i got shot. >> i had never seen death before. i put the rope around his neck

and killed him. >> i drove nice cars and my robbery paid for that you will. >> they have one thing in common. i am often asked how we find the stories we cover on lock-up. it comes down to our field producers taking the time to get to know dozens of inmates. other times we follow the action and the story unfolds in front of our eyes. once in a while the path to a good story is a little less obvious. >> during our extended stay shoot at the correctional institute in alabama, we were filming when a loud disturbance

occurred. >> inmight jamie bell is in a rage because his toilet is overflowing he blames the inmate in the cell above him of creating the problem by interfering with the plumbing. >> jamie bell, listen. >> the confrontation became so heated that the warden gets involved. >> if you would shut [ bleep ] i wouldn't be so pissed off with your ass. listen. the inmate above bell's cell is serving life. his name is andrew alexander. >> there was no proof the guy

had done anyone. i saw andrew alexander staring at me through his window. i kind of asked him, i mouthed, did you do this? he had the most cold, evil smile come across his face. >> though it couldn't be proven that alexander caused the flooding, we later confirmed he had a reputation. >> word had spread around and gotten back to me that andrew was actually one of their more violent and notorious inmates. >> when we met him in person we discovered he once had a notorious reputation outside of prison. he and his cousin were known as the i 10 bandit. >> we might strike in texas. we might nb florida the next day. >> he and his cousin logged

almost 50 robberies in six states. the target was always the same. >> we was robbing hotel. we tried to cap them on the weekend before they make bank drops. this was back in the 80s. more cash was being used then than it is today. >> how much money did you make? >> a lot. we blew it as soon as we made it. i wasn't down and dirty. i wore nice clothes. i drove nice cars. my robbery paid for all that. >> having a neat appearance during the holdups was part of the strategy. >> we didn't look like criminals. we didn't dress or act like criminals. we traveling, looking for a room, you know. once we established that, both

of us get in there, up with the pistols. >> then alexander and his cousin would demand the hotel bank deposit at gunpoint. >> i tell him you got to go with us. >> in a time before cell phones, the kidnapping served a purpose other than ransom. >> we would drop them off on a secondary highway. by the time we get to a phone, we gone. >> highway hotels in the south issued warnings. but the cousins finally decided to pull one more job. >> we was up smoking cocaine all night and getting high and partying. we seen a holiday inn. we pulled in, the clerk

automatically noticed what was going on. he got a make on us and called the police. >> this time the getaway turned into a high-speed chase. >> wished it was nightmare, hoping to wake up and it was a dream. it was over. >> alexander and his cousin each received life sentences. not only for armed robbery and kidnapping, but much to alexander's surprise, rape. >> when they brought the charges, i didn't believe. kidnap, rape. i am so strung out i didn't know that the way it's going todown that it's rain. what you see in hollywood on tv, you break into a woman's house, you tear her clothes off, you know, but none of this happen.

>> in you have a conviction you are going to minimize, mitigate and deny it. i got the impression that's what andrew was doing. >> we robbed and kidnapped a girl in georgia. she got hysterical, don't do this and don't hurt my. whatever you want me to do, i do. that's how it started app thafr we start using that technique, where we going to let you go when do you this. i didn't see that as rape. i do now, but i wasn't conscious of it then. >> andrew did present himself as this soft-spoken. >> type of guy. i would love to have had the woman present and hear her account of what happened. >> i am not violent.

i don't go out and do things. some guys go out and start fights. i don't start no fights. you just aggravate me or do something to me, i am going to respond. that response going to be with violence. like one guy shot at me one time and i drove a car into a house, trying to get to him. that temper. mom said i got it from her. >> coming up. >> all of a sudden, there was blood coming out of my eye. i knew i got shot. >> after a violent dispute two former roommates end up in the maricopa county jail. >> you don't seem to be sad about the fact that she got shot and lost an eye. >> i'm not.

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. few jails in america receive as much media coverage as the maricopa jail in phoenix. we tried to learn more about the inmates themselves. it didn't take long before we noticed rita. >> only 11. not bad. you gotta go you go all oud. i got fraudulent schemes, forgery. dui, drug paraphernalia, drugs and four misdemeanors, failure to appear. >> she proclaimed her innocence on all of the charges. none of them had anything to do with the loss of her eye which

occurred shortly before her arrest. >> for losing an eye, she had a fairly decent attitude it. she was upbeat and positive. >> this is the part that they cut out. it's made out of acrylic, what fake nails are made out of. the cool thing is, the doctor that's doing this for me is going to make me one with a black widow in it. >> only then did we get to the story of how she lost her eye. it all started when she suspected her male roommate of stealing from her. >> i found pawn slips. he took all my jewelry so i kicked him out. >> one of the things that's interesting jail as opposed to

prison, it comes from a localized area. you have all of these relationships from the outside that then carry over to inside the jail system. in some cases you have people who have lived together, as in the case of rita and anthony. >> you don't seem to be too sad about the fact that she got shot and lost an eye. >> i'm not. >> we met anthony, her former roommate, in one of the male facilities. >> i got a phone call from rita saying you owe me of $00, i changed the locks on the door. if you don't pay me, i am going to sell it. >> though he pled in the, he was facing charges of first degree assault and burglary.

he does acknowledge having done to her house with two friends to collect his furniture. >> he would walked over to the apartment door, knocked on it. this mutual friend of mine and rita's opens up the door, sees us, slams the door and locked. the person i was with got mad and kicked the door and opened. she started shooting. >> i heard wood cracking. i knew somebody was trying to break in. i dropped my cell phone, i got my gun. it was already caulk ed. the third big bang there is three guys, my ex-roommate and other guys i never seen before. the guy had a 12 gauge shotgun.

i said get the [ bleep ] out of my house. i shot off my gun. i pointed it back and said get the [ bleep ] out of my house. the goy shot off a 12 gauge. >> she says she was struck in the chest and face but didn't immediately realize her eye was damaged. >> i went to the bathroom. my face looked fine, my eye looked fine. all of a sudden, there was blood coming out of my eye. i knew i got shot. >> god forgive me that she lost her eye, but she chose to shoot. nobody threatened her. we didn't even step in the apartment. the door opened up and she shot. >> explain to me why, if you are going to move furniture, a guy is bringing a sawed-off shotgun.

>> aim female half their size and they had to go with weapons and a posse. that makes me look like the bad ests bitch alive. >> i am pretty sure i am fg to win at trial. i was there for a legit reason. she knew i was coming over. i was there to get my property. she shot first. >> do you ever think -- >> yeah. i think back now and i should have, but i am fine with it, you know. life goes on. karma is a bitch. it will come back around to him. >> it was only after the shooting that she ran into her own problems with the law and was arrested on more than a

dozen charges. but during our time to at maricopa, her life took a turn for the better. >> i think at one point she was facing something like 11 felonies. ultimately she was acquitted of several. she pled out on a couple and received probation. during our time at maricopa she was released. we wanted to see how she was doing after she got out. we caught up with her outside the jail facility. >> i got my eye done since then. it's a colored one. i don't like it because it doesn't move with this one. that's why i got glasses and stuff. i can get it permanent hi ply p. that's really costly. >> though she had only spent four months at maricopa, it

became clear that it had an effect on her. overall life is better? >> better, yeah. at the same time i didn't mind being in jail because i didn't have anything to worry about. i didn't have any bills to worry about, people, which was a good thing. when i got out it was really hard. i was crying because i didn't know what the hell i was going to do. i called my aunt. >> there will probably be few happy times for her former housemate. he received a 15 year prison sentence for first degree burglary. >> coming up.

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doomed decisions are not limited to american inmate, as we discovered on our trip to scotland. this is a maximum security prison that houses 500 unmate who have made their share of bad decisions. many were young men m their 20s. knives, the weapon of choice in scotland. then we met the inmate they could very well become. jimmy reed.

his disciplinary hearing for a night of harassing correctional staff was the most memorable we have covered. >> i escalated it. >> reed was serving an 11 year sentence. he had established a friend touring an argument and the man died. but his personal demon made him no stranger to prison. >> how long have you been in prison. >> most of my life. >> what was your life like. prison? >> spun out of control through alcohol. >> jimmy reed was probably one of the most forthright inmates i have interviewed.

very honest about what he did and why he did it. ad nice looked like it had seen many bar fights. the other crimes what about were those? thieving, fighting. >> reed had recently transferred to the protective custody wing tu to threats by younger inmaids. reed wasn't happy about the move. to him it was a sign of weakness. >> protective custody, describe it. >> no good. >> why?

>> but read ee had a larger foal than leaving protective custody.

>> though officials might argue his claim of not being a troublemaker.

he acknowledges that wherever and whenever he finishes his sentence, he will have issues to teal with. >> what happens when you get out of prison? one mistake and i am back for a recall. >> you think you are going to drink? >> why not? >> it seems to cause you problems. >> i have been doing it 40 years. can i see myself stop? no. >> jimmy had told us about all the problems his dricnking had caused and that he had concerns. but the fact that when he was released he would go back to drinking, it was evident that's who he is. that's who jimmy is.

>> coming up. >> i stood on the bowed and i put the rope around his neck and killed him. >> how long it that take? >> five-minute. >> the chilling account of one young inmate's descent into murder and a life in prison. ♪ ♪ ♪ great rates for great rides. geico motorcycle, see how much you could save.

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here is what's happening. in pennsylvania a shelter in place order has been lifrted where they are searching for eric frein. security stepped up after two white house security breaches in two days. a man arrested saturday for refusing to leave the gate. and a seuspect armed with a knie made it through the doors.

over the years of filming lock-up we have seen a wide range of stories. from positive ones to the negative, where the cycle of his violence has escalated for them. >> stories of trouble childhoods, multiple incarcerations and violent crime convictions are common to many fortunate inmate at the penitentiary of new mexico. none of them told us the story of self-destruction like that. >> at the hour of my birth. there were no celebrations. i come from a broken home. i am a bastard child. no wonder that my life was

violent, fast and kwield. >> we met federico filming outthe prison. he was extremely articulate. when he talked about his crimes, he was very self-aware and very honest about the consequences of his actions. >> i was brought up in a culture where they teach you to be violent. they teach you to outsmart the enemy. they teach you to regard law enforcement and society and government with contempt. once you inculcate yourself with that loifl and philosophy it's not a matter of right and wrong. it becomes a matter of it's my life. >> when we met him he was in the level six maximum security yard,

serving two life sentences for murder. >> i shot one and strangled the other. both i am doing life steps for. you can't in a civil society go around killing people and not expect to be punished. >> you must have known when you are strangling the goy in the jail. >> sure i knew. but as a gangbanger, i decided to step out of society's customs, mannerisms and rules. i chose to live where we created our own rules and society. >> there won't that ounce of denial in fed recollect owe's account of his behavior. he used poetry to express it. >> it takes a person of character to live a life that's just. as i sit in prds for that life i really lust. i look back over my shoulder amazing at what i see. a life of utter [ bleep ]. no wonder i'm not free.

>> i was dying to flow what had caused a man that had soy much obvious pro tension to commit two murders. >> it started off with stealing cars. i knew a couple of guys that stole cars. would i go with them. then i learned how to drive. i liked the thrill. so i started stealing them. i got arrested. met dwoi there is doing more severe crimes. that's how i began to evolve as a criminal, for munoz the next phase was to join a street gang. >> if i can intimidate you more than you can intimidate me and i can persuade you however i do it to do something i am imposing my will. >> you seem like an affable guy. how did you achieve that?

>> violence. >> that eventually led munoz to county jail. he joined a gang. >> aid braided rope in my pocket. i sat down next to hinl on his bed and talked to him. i put the rope around his neck and killed him. >> how long did that take? >> five-minute. >> those five minutes, must have been a very long five-minute. >> he fought me, threw me around the room. i guess when you are fighting for your life you have strength. i was curious. i had nef seen death before in person. so i wanted to see. i watched his eyes change from the white, they became red. they started popping out of his

head. he urinated all over hymns. obviously it's a sign that it's over. his topping swelled up. his ankles swelled up. it was very intimate. like you see it on the movies like guys so cavalierly kill people. i had just earned my bones, an assignment that was given to me. i prevailed. obviously it's a bad thing. you shouldn't be killing people. but in the lifestyle of a gangbanger, i had just attained something that was intangible, but it was real enough. >> at the time, munoz wasn't linked to the inmate's death. it was eventually cop signed to the cold case fuels. he served out hi sentence and

back on the streets. behe wasn't done killing. >> selling drugs and stealing cars was fun. back then this sort of which is come i seem wouldn't heed. >> after getting away with murder in a county jail, he walked into a barber shot where he spotted a rival gang member and killed again. >> i shot him two times in his chest. he fell down, got back up. to my surprise, to me it was remarkable that you could shoot somebody two times in his chest request a 9 millimeter and he could get back up. i finished shooting him until the clip was empty. i got back in my car and left.

>> he was sentenced to life in prison. munoz got a surprise visit. >> they talked to me in this vith room. he asked me, and i told him. >> almost nine years after he strangled an inmate in kaubt jail, frederico munoz was convicted and received his second life sentence. >> this is it. >> this is it. for nieb thinks it's cool to gangbang, to live that lifestyle, the logical conclusion of that lifestyle is you are going to be in a casket, because you were dumb enough to get shot or strangled or stabbed in prds, or you are going to be in here with me. these my tribulations have taught me many thing. all the grief they bring. now you know my views.

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perched on the national wind-swept plains of eastern colorado, the lyman facility is home to more than a thousand inmate. more than hoof are serving time for violent crimes. wesley struck us as something of an an onliably. >> welcome to my humble abode. i do a lot of reading and try to

keep up with current event. this is my television. a 13 inch with a digital card. if we go uhf, i am dtv ready. >> he was something else. i have never met an inmate that had the array of products he had. i have been to women's prisons had haven't seen so many products. >> this is my luxury. the irish spring body wash with the loofah. >> as together as he was in appearance, he made it cheer that prison hadn't been part of his five-year plan. he was on medical loaf. he was on the mend from tendon surgery. >> i am on vacation for the surgery. i might as well see my friend,

go to colorado. >> they went to a local bar. it was super bowl sunday. around midnight he stepped outside to share a cigarette with a young woman. >> there were two men about ten feet to the left of me. i heard them fighting. i set you don't need to fight. one of them began cursing at me and saying derogatory comment. i lightly mocked him and turned away. as i attempted to turn back to the young lady i was pushed hard in the snow. i had one electricing and one cast. >> according to him two other men joined his attacker and continued beating him. >> what eventually ends up being 50 yards away from the bar.

they kept kicking me in the head and all over. >> how injured were you. >> covered with blood. i had tons of cuts in my head. >> the fight eventually broke up and his friend walked him back to their condo. after they went to bed, he realized that among other things, he was missing his cell phone. >> not only was my smartphone gone -- i had pro pry tear data. i panicked. he decided to go back and rook for his possessions. i saw a block of kitchen knives on the counter. i grabbed a random knife. it happened to be a bread knife. i thought about the fact that i didn't want to get beat up again. so i started walking down the street and hobbling around.

i think i see my smartphone. i get excited but i hear somebody say something to my right. he says you shouldn't have come back. oh, no, this is the guy that wouldn't leave me alone the first time. immediately i showed him the knife. i said twas that i just want to get my things. i have a knife, leave me alone. he ignored it and attacked me. i reacted by swinging my arm back. i didn't know i hit him or where i cut him. i remember falling and feel something snap in my hand. he is swinging on me. he get up a fau moments later and walks away. i hobble the opposite direction and i hear someone yell at me from behind. i hear someone say aware calling the police. i have a knife in my hand with no blade and i am covered in

blood. what ended up happening, he was cut on his cheek and both sides of the neck which cut his carotid artery, they were transported from the scene by ambulance. of a he was treated, he was taken to the city yale and booked. >> i thought, i am going to tell him what happened. this is a bad situation. i don't need legal representation. i don't have anything to hide. i kept saying that on the video. i am just going to tell you what happened. i told them what occurred. it got to the point to at the end of the conversation i said is he okay, what happened? he said he passed away. this is a homicide investigation. >> coming up, the parent of wesley's victim share their stiestd story, you don't expect

snob come back, a kitchen knife and decapitate you.

while we were shooting our extended stay series in colorado, inmate wesley gave his account of the fatal event that resulted in a sentence. >> i have aged a lot. it's the most stressful and horrific thing in my life. i believe everything happens for a reason. i have learned a lot about myself and about what burden i must carry the rest of my life. >> m doing lock-up we follow people's stories inside prison. rarely do we encounter the victims of these inmates. we found out the parents of

wesley apostle paul victim wanted to talk to us. we took the opportunity to do so. >> here they are, brian and dusty at the park. >> bill and sherry were sound asleep when they got the call. >> it was denver medical center calling and they said our son had been assaulted and we needed to come immediately to the hospital, when i decide it had to be real bad was when they ushered us into a room and a social worker came in. the emergency physician came in and told us that our son had been almost decapitated. >> i interviewed them only knowing wesley's account of what had happened to brian.

when mr. lusk described his son's body as almost being decapitated, i was shocked. >> we go in the icu. they are doing cpr on him. it was our son. >> he loved soccer until he found out about snowboarding. >> he liked basketball, too. >> while wesley claims their son started the fight, they had a different account. >> at the trial the bouncer on the stand said out of nowhere he sucker punched our son brian. there was a fight and i know that brian was losing the fight and that one of his friends that was a little guy jumped on his back and he just shook him off. brian told him to stay out of

it. i guess brian got the best of it then. >> later on he returned to the scene of the fight with a kitchen knife. >> how close is that to the knife that killed your son? >> i think it's close. >> the lusks believe he armed himself not out of fear but revenge. >> i don't think my son did anything wrong that notice. i really don't. i can see when he came back why brian went over this and said why are you back. i would have. brian didn't know how to fight against a knife. he was just a kid. there wasn't no way. he slaughtered him. >> i should have called the miss. >> why didn't you call the police? >> it never crossed my mind.

i wanted out of that condominium. i wanted out of that environment. i wanted to go home. i wanted to go back to california where i was comfortable. it was a big mistake to come to colorado. that's how i felt. >> along with the profound pain caused by his decision to return to the bar that night he shares one common thing. disappointment over the jury verdict. >> they gave us criminally negligent homicide, the lowest they could have given us. i made it outside the door before i have broke down. it was like they murdered my son all over again by giving thaws kind of verdict. >> at sentencing i had the illusion i was innocent and this was an impulsive mistake. you have your lawyers telling you what you did was justified,

you want to believe it. >> you feel so alone sometimes, like even though you might nb a room with a bunch of people, i think sherry has thought it some, too. it's like we are the only ones in this room that their son was murdered. even at sentencing, they asked him if he wanted to apologize and he said why? it wouldn't do any good. >> there was a lot of things i wanted to say. i was sick. i could barely talk and they spent two hours reading and saying everything bad you could say. the more i wanted to turn and apologize to them, i fell wasn't the point. it's not going to help. >> wesley took our lives away

from us. our lives have totally changed. it will never be all right. >> we had the opportunity to interview the offender and the victim's family. it had an impact on me. it was a difficult interview. i think we all left a bit down. no matter what transpired, there was a fight. but this young man who was a father of a child and a beloved son of two people was killed. >> what would you say now? >> i never wanted to hurt him. i didn't want to throw my life away. i didn't need to settle a score or pay back, nothing like that. if there was anything i could do to fix it i would. but i don't know how to fix it.

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