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worse, seeing them kill themselves, because it is inescapable to think football is not going to be our number one sport. what will the world do to stop isis? we're about to find out. it's monday september 22nd and this is "now." >> they are plotting externally. >> the isis propaganda machine is at it again. >> reporting threatening americans here at home. >> recruiting westerners they are pretty darn successful. >> growing questions about the fight against isis. >> the coalition building will be on going. >> turkey is our ally. they have absolutely pledged to be effective and deeply involved. >> nobody has come in.
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turkey is still not all in. >> when we shift to additional air strikes including in syria i'm confident we will be joined by other countries. >> trying to galvanize more international support. >> we have only bad choices left. >> you cannot leave the extremists to do whatever they want. >> we're not to do nothing. just two days before president obama is set to rally the world against isis in the u.n. general assembly in new york, the terrorist group released a new 42 minute audio recording, one that warns americans you will not feel secure even in your bedrooms. the record something not yet j authenticated. this new threat comes as fighting across iraq and syria
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appears to be escalating. 40 iraq soldiers were killed over the weekend. 130,000 fleeing arriving in turkey. one of the biggest influx since the civil war began two years ago. obama will bring together a u.n. panel to adopt a resolution to put in domestic laws to all countries to sign into law to authorize the u.s. to arm and train moderate syrian rebels. one of the handful on the a administration told 60 minutes that the country is now paying the price. >> in retrospect now, was not arming the rebels at that time a mistake? >> i think that would have
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helped. i think in part we paid a price for not doing that in what we're seeing with isis. >> hours ago in an interview, the white house deputy security advisor defended the president's decision. >> if we move to provide arms to the syrian opposition without having relationship than those arms could fall into the wrong hands, including isil. what we did do in the last year and half is increase building those relationships and providing military systems, so now we know who we are dealing with. >> joining me now washington post columnist, political editor and correspondent, and the white house correspondent. mark, let me start with you, just in terms of leon's interview with 60 minutes admitting in the public that he
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would have preferred if the president had armed rebels years ago. we know what the white house line on this. but privately behind closed doors, do you get the sense there are regrets over the president's decision? >> well, yeah, and at the time recall it was not just leon pineda, it was secretary of state hillary clinton, really the entire nuclear us of the war cabinet in favor of it and president obama rejected it. now he is the only voice that counts. in the last three years the situation with the rebels are becoming even more perilous. i think there are questions being raise wld te raised, you g
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now we know we have a better idea of who these rebels are, that may be true but also in these last two and half years the rebels are even more splintered and isolated as groups like isis have really gained momentum. it is much tougher now. i think even inside the white house a lot of people are probably wondering about missed opportunities. >> do you think it is fair for these folks to come out and say, would of, could of, should of. >> this is washington. of course it is fair. however, president obama believes if they were wrong. that they were suggesting that arms being essentially turned over to groups that were not prepared to take the fight to the syrian regime or to what is now islamic state and that in fact the result would be a belter armed islamic state.
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they took weapons from the syrian government and iraq government. they would have taken these arms too. >> in terms of the the new york times report about direct threats behind isis, including the group, i'm missing the name of the groups on this -- core son, sorry. that is a testament to how little we actually know. in many ways this is the first time a lot of folks have seen the name of this group. certainly last week for the first time an american intelligence official said the name of this group. it may actually unintentionally strengthen other groups in the region that's posing more of a direct threat to the american homeland. this seems like a game of whack
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em all. you hit one and another one pops up. >> yeah, you go in, try to brush it all out and of course they inevitably grow up once you leave. so the objective become what's is the long term policy. this goes back to who do we trust on the ground. what type of intel do we have? are we certain what we are giving them will stay in their hands. an interesting i heard was that they would not give weapons if they would end up being turned over to isis. so this is really threating a needle . >> so this is really threading a needle. >> there's so many different aspects of the crisis being
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faced. we know the president is set to introduce a measure tomorrow aimed at enacting a resolution across the board that will make it difficult for foreign fighters to be recruited and to put it on each country to monitor situations and make sure folk don't go else where to fight jihadism movements. how effective can it be. >> while it is a binding resolution there's no enforcement mechanism. so these countries will be obliged to crack down on foreign fighters, if they don't, there's no real way to go after them. one of the key problems is in turkey where great numbers
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stracome through. they have said, if these people are not violating our laws in our country what do you want us to do. so if the turks adapt the uniform laws it might help them crack down to cut down on this channel of fighters going back and forth. it will be helpful but almost certainly will not root out the problem altogether. >> let me follow up on that. over the weekend isis released hostages, in exchange, we don't know. do you feel this will be the beginning of a new chapter in turkey as far as the crisis in syria is concerned. or do you think hostages were exchanged for an agreement that turkey would keep its crack-down
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status quo, which is to say not much of a crack-down at all. >> i think we don't know about the terms of the release of these halftime adjectiveostages. i think the devil is truly in the detail. it could well stay the hands of the turks and how they approach this. on the other hand a lot of experts argued it was really these 49 hostages that were acting on a break on the turks and once they got those people back to turkey that the turks would be willing to step up. i will say administration officials today who briefed reporters about the foreign fighters issue said they felt the turks had a much greater awareness of the problem and seem ready to play a constructive role. maybe we will hear more at the u.n. when the turkish delegation comes about their part in taking
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part in this coalition going forward. >> foreign fighters is not just groups from turkey. it's estimated 1,000 fighters to isis. here in the united states, it's the same press briefing, the white house informed our folks that some of the fighters that went to syria have come home that there are pilot programs on going in boston, minneapolis and los angeles to use locals. this is another strain on the war on terror that is incredibly now. >> it gets into really dicey territory. because somebody comes home radicalized, what does that exactly mean? are we essentially getting into the business of prosecuting thought-crime. >> right. >> i don't want to minimize that. that's a threat. there could be people coming home who intend to commit
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terrorist acts, under our constitution, i think it will be very difficult. >> on that note, the argument and the debate you're having about the nsa and monitoring of american communications seems to be radically reconfigured with this latest news. >> i wonder how public opinion will change. we seen how they changed about the use of force over seas in just the past couple months as the rise of isis. if you want to have a comprehensive anti-campaign, you have to have a law enforcement component, you have to have trials, actually. this will be a legal force going forward. >> you know, we were talking about the affects of the rise of islamic jihadism and a sense of vulnerability.
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the cold war comes to mind. is it a generational struggle, the feeling of being under attack, again, being vul nnerab. i want to bring in the story of the day. the white house jumper, made it over the fence with a nice but apparently had much more deadly material in his car, two hatchets and a machete. 800 rounds of ammunition. what does this say? >> key thing for me, i didn't know you could jump over the white house fence and get all the way to the door. i also didn't know there was not a lock on the door. he went inside the door. the first thing they should do is put a lock on the front door. the second thing is, the president had just left from the south lawn.
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maybe the secret service was deployed back there. they need enough agents to keep an eye on the north lawn at the same time. and at the efrns fence. because the idea is, if anybody gets over the fence, the attack dog is supposed to come out and throw itself as a missile at the person. the -- where was the missile dog. >> the missile dog was missing in action. to your point too. these instances happen and we get scared by what they p oorte. some of the secret service are saying really drastic things, we need to put these things in context, and think about the size of the reaction to these instances because sometimes we over react. >> you used to be able to drive
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past the the white house. >> now you can walk. >> and so now you can walk and it is kind of a pedestrian plaza in front of the white house and many, many thousands of people come. that's how they get to look at their government. and to close that off or to put metal detectors at the end of the block i think would just be awful. >> just to round it out, transparency and accessibility are often the first things to go in moments of security threats. it is interesting the u.s. capitol police shot a woman who was trying to get into the white house a couple months ago, am a year ago, and perhaps the lack of reaction here is an over correction. somewhere we need to find the middle ground. >> there's a happy medium. >> a few weeks ago i was at the white house and a small toddler
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squeezed through the bars of the fence and at the time the secret service treated it with just the right level of humor saying they thought about holding the infant for questioning before it grew up. and they decided to hand it back to his parents. so while this guy was clearly a dangerous customer, i don't think we should lose our heads about it. >> thank you for your time. coming up, three days after nfl commissioner roger goodell said publicly he was wrong in the handling of the ray rice incident, the baltimore ravens are going public sttoo, if in a news conference happening this hour. >> the facts speak for themselves that that story was manufactured to try and tie my promise to take care of him down the road as hush money, let me
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say, if -- if i cut a guy making $6 million a year, if i'm promising him to be by his side and hire him for $100,000 a year five years from now so he can help hairy swain in our player development department, if that is considered worthy of him going along, i find that rather absu absurd. it would take him 250 years to make back the $25 million that i took away from him by cutting him. >> this press conference comes exactly two weeks after rice's $35 million contract was terminated by the ravens. coming up president obama returns to the u.n. one year after proclaiming america's pivot away from war. we will discuss a new strategy for new world order. later, new numbers estimate
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>> together we've also worked to end a decade of war. for the united states these new circumstances have also meant shifting away from a perpetual war footing of the world is more stable than it was a year ago. >> as the president prepares to head back to the u.n. tomorrow. he faces the world in turmoil. vast in numbers and scope global crisis. the u.s. is opening a new
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military engagement against isis. deep frustration, more casualties and more refugees exist. russia backed forces stin theco their attacks. in west africa the worse ebola threat in history cause to collapses. on going mid east tensions and unprecedented pressure to act on a rapid changing climate. it will be very tough to sound the note of optimism he had last year. >> we look to the future not with fear but with hope. we are convinced this community of nations can deliver a more just world to the next generation. >> sam, i feel bad listing off all the terrible ways in which
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global stability has unwound in just a year. do you think it is fair to put any portion of that on the president's plate. because aaron david miller says in some ways this is very much a result of the president not being seen as managing chaos well. i would say foreign policy is a really hard thing to control. >> is it fair? sure it is. there's cases to be made he m mismanaged a bunch of these. certainly the intelligence community as well. perhaps rethinking the decision to pull troops out of the iraq. fair arguments to be made he erred. i think there's a more complex argument that we dpoeon't have e to go into. it is fair to say a whole host of bad things have happened on foreign policy in the past year.
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>> not that evil is good but the fact that the president took the reigns and announced 3,000 american military personnel, i think it actually matters. in so far we talked about american leadership. this is sort of a reminder of what we are capable of as a country on a global stage. >> this whole year has been a reminder of what we are not capable of, and in some cases we are no longer capable of, just can't do. the question is, and i agree, it comes with the territory. you're president of the united states, you have to deal with that. however, it is very difficult to list the specific steps with confidence that you could say would have deterred vladimir putin. would have deterred isis if it really wanted to come in and
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come into iraq. that would have stopped libya from disintegrated. could have done a little bit better in libya actually. if the united states had state involved it couldn't have been as bad as it is. >> it points out that we have a president that can manage world events from his desk. suddenly everything gets mulled into a global utopia. it is obviously not the case. there's great limitations on american power that comes with the office. every president has to deal with it but this year it is more out there. >> i think we can talk about what we want to the have happen. we are war-weary, we want no boots on the ground. we are highly critical of not putting boots on the ground
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because that could be the only game-changer in syria. >> the public nor the president wants to put boots on the ground, except for the few boots that are already there, we won't talk about that, but the public wants things to go better than they are going now so we will blame the president even if he is doing what they say they want. >> yes. >> how else could this play out? well, if the president thought that we should have a more substantial force there he could try to marshall public opinion. but he doesn't believe that. he didn't want more substantial force. >> he probably thinks it is not many in our long-term interest. >> exactly. >> let's talk about iran. you said no good news. if there is hope, there is some thinking maybe out of the muck and mire of what is happening in iraq and syria somewhat maybe
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could increase our corporation with iran if there isp cooperation does it remain a jewel? >> i will be tongue and cheek. you can make the case of getting rid of syria's chemical weapons is a big case for this presidency. for iran if this does go well it will be huge for the president in this administration. the thing is not many think it will end well partially because youed into a lot of domestic portfolio to be produced. >> it has been a long time since last u.n. general assembly and that one will meet. thanks for your time. coming up i will speak with mary burke just ahead on "now." ♪
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i. >> the race for wisconsin governor is in a dead heat. can mary's campaign weather newal gagnew allegations of plagiarism? i will ask her myself when we return. how much money do you have in your pocket right now? i have $40, $21. could something that small make an impact on something as big as your retirement? i don't think so. well if you start putting that towards
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and sent. >> undo our reforms and keep your money in madison. >> i know we can do a whole lot better than we have done under scott walker. >> wisconsin has created jobs just half the national average. >> for walker he is pushing the state's lower 5 .6% unemploymen rate while burke has over 4,000 loss jobs alone. ranking 33rd out of 50. walker's remedy? more tax cuts and drug testing for the unemploymented. nothing revs up the economy better than toughing up the poor. burke recently fired a campaign
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consultant for plagiarism. the latest polls shows walker leading burke by just three points, well within the survey margin of error. those numbers have led walker's allies to rush in it help him like the nra and republican gov governor association which has poured $4 million into the campaign and much, much more. the group emily's list will inject $1.2 million in the race for democratic governor of wisconsin. mary burke, thanks for joining me. let's talk about chris christie and the rga and the nra versus
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michelle obama and emily's list. are you confident you will have the resources you need to battle govern walker who has almost twice what you have in 2014le elections. >> it's great to be with you. rga and scott walker have been running attack ads against me since february and then haven't landed a punch. the polls are dead even right now. >> i have to ask about the plagiarism charges. it wasn't just one section of the website where language listed jobs plan, veterans plan, the rules committee plan, how worried are you that this is ammunition for the walker campaign that will be used incessantly for the next six weeks. >> well, there's no doubt that this was political motivated and governor walker knows he is in
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trouble and he is grasping at straws to try to deflect from his really poor jobs record. we saw this came out at the same time the news came out wisconsin lost 4300 jobs in august. i want to be perfectly clear. my job slant is based on my business experience, as an entrepreneur myself, but i also gathered in great ideas from across the country. best practices. i sat with folks like michael porter at harvard as to how to use industry clusters to drive economic development in jobs. so the consultants i have used have consulted on other campaigns. his job was to bring forth best practices and innovations across the country. but he should not have used his own same language in my plan as he used in other plans. that's why we cut ties with him. >> are you worried about voters
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who will say how do we know that anything is original land work coming out of that shop? >> well, these are ideas based on my experience, but i would not have put in an idea in that plan if i didn't think it was good for wisconsin. and as an executive at trek bicycle, that's how we got better as a company. we looked for good idea and best practices, not only within the industry but across the country and across the world. that's what good economic development is about, developing best practices and innovative ideas and that is what is included in my jobs plan. >> you are focussing on good ideas and economic policy, there's also the question of obamacare. scott walker has been hitting you on your support for obamacare. the national mood around it has shifted a lot. how much do you think voter's feelings about it will play into
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their vote? >> well what is really important for the people of wisconsin, i travel the state, i put 50,000 miles on my ford escape since getting into this race, is about jobs, and governor walker is not getting the job done. he has had four years. he had a republican legislation, he could have passed anything he wanted and instead we are dead last in terms of job creation in the mid-west and we are headed in the wrong direction. so all of this attacks is all about distracting from his really poor record. what is most important to the people of wisconsin is our economy. people are not finding the good-paying jobs that they need. and govern walker's approach has been to give tax breaks to those at the top, he thinks it trickles downs and creates job, that's not how jobs get created. they get created when you have a strong growing middle class that are able to buy goods and services.
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>> is your support for obamacare something you would like to talk about on a campaign train. >> well, i, stactually i'm interested in lowering the cost of held ng cat health care. i think obamacare had a lot of problems in the role out and not fulfilling promises, in terms of impact often small businesses and whether individuals could keep their plans or not. so my interest as governor is to reduce the cost of health care. walker made it difficult because he turned down the medicaid expansion which would have brought in hungs dreds of milli of dollars into the cycle. these are poor decisions that governor walker made. frankly in the business world
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>> it was by far the single largest environmental rally ever. final estimates 400 thousand people came to new york city sounding the alarm on climate change and demanding action for leaders at the u.n. tomorrow. and the beat goes on. today activist flooded wall street calling for greater accountability and seen a strong force, heirs of the rockefeller corporation, built on big oil, announced their $860 million charity fund will dirks vest fr
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fossil fuels. that summit will no have china and india. climate week was kicked off today, skerry saying any cost will be dwarfed by action. joining me now david rothchild. thank you for joining me on what is a huge wreeek for the environmental movement. that said how disturbing that the leaders of china and india are on the side line. >> it is pa massive week. leaders from all over the world turning up to discuss climate change. it always a mazes me when we have these climate change debates. the word debate always seems to
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follow the word "climate change". the secretary general is aware that the last number of delegation meetings have not materialized into anything. so we have a big meeting next year which everyone is saying paris in december, if nothing comes out of that, these negotiations are over. to me it is about how do we start to take all the momentum we are seeing on the streets and from individuals like the rockefellers, coming together to say we can say we can take this into our hands. it is our planet as much as it is the politicians. >> the top polluters, china a india, two of the largest three, are not involved in these talks.
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how will we combat this on a global scale without china and india. >> you have to start with leadership. the u.s. is a big polluter as well. president obama will be there as well, he has the ability to nudge these large, developing nations into action. it's a bit like if you are sitting there and your mom comes into the room and she's smoking but she tells you to stop smoking, you won't do it, you won't believe her. you have to start yourself. this is where pollution is issued, human finger prints, everybody, every nation has a role to play and we have to start actually acting upon this. i sat here 15 years ago in this space and i feel like we're still asking the same questions and not acting on the solutions we have available today. that's the most shocking thing. >> let me ask you about the
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rockefeller announcement, in terms of divment how much of a dent. >> i think it makes a huge dent. the roles we have to take responsibility, citizens and business and government. there needs to be harmony between those three sectors. so to get businesses coming forward and investors, coming forward, i love to see money moving out of those areas, but also around a sustainable economy that is in line with nature. we talk about growth, we judge company's success on growth, in nature it is not that simple. there's lots of different relationships. there's nthis continual growth. it will be interesting to change the way we look at things, change gdp, and include nature in that.
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why does gdp increase when we cut down trees or pollute rivers. we have to get accountability in the products and services and what they are doing to our planet and environment. >> i have to say someone who could'ves covers a lot of the debate, it was a shot in the arm to see half million people in the streets of new york city talking about the environment. a good day. it was a day. we have five days left, we will see what they have in store. david d rothchild thank you for your time, energy and thoughts. >> thank you. coming up, it has been five months and they are still missing. the latest on what is and what is not being done to rescue more than 200 abducted girls in niger nigeria, that's next. strict standards. they're all ruined. help yourself! oh no, we couldn...okay thanks,
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flooded with reports that the leader of the boko haram militant group has been killed in nigeria. these reports are not confirmed by nbc news though photos report to show his body. he gained global note right in april with the brutal abduction of 270 girls from their boreding school in northern nigeria, yesterday marks the five-month anniversary of their kidnapping. since that time not one student has been rescued. even though they were reportedly located months ago. in the last five months, as global attention has waned, the militant group has also kidnaps a ed three more smaller groups of
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girls as well as young boys and young men. late last week reports emerged that the international committee of the red cross may be mediating a swap with the girls in exchange of boko haram's commander. it is high time to bring back the girls. that is all for "now." "the ed show" is up next. good evening americans, and welcome to the ed show. live from detroit lakes, minnesota. i'm ready to go. let's get to work. ♪ ♪
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