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to the states. add to this the latest audio tape from the terrorist group saying, we americans will not feel safe even in our bedrooms. we have a look at this incredible opportunity for the democrats in kansas to win this november. it's in kansas of all places, i said. and speaking of wind, what do you make of the fact that 3 300,000 people showed up in new york to demand action to climate change. right now to the threat of the white house, all of which was caught on camera. a man carrying a knife, and it was a switch blade, jumped the white house fence and ran across the white house lawn and through the front door on the north portico. as "the washington post" writes, it's a frequently used door, one flight away from the obamas living quarters. until now, the secret service doesn't imagine an intruder could reach it. prosecutors say they found more

than 800 rounds of ammunition in his car, two hatchets and a machete. he was stopped by state troopers in july and found be carrying assault rifles and a sawed-off shotgun and a map with the white house on it. in august, he was stopped walking along the back fence of the white house itself with a hatchet tucked in his rear waist band. the secret service launched an investigation, but an earlier assessment points to multiple failures and some alarming questions. for example, why didn't officers deploy attack dogs specifically trained to stop intruders like this? and why didn't guards lock the front door, setting the alarm, telling them someone had jumped the fence and was headed toward the building? the incident happened just ten minutes after president obama and his daughters lifted off from the south lawn for camp david. i must say, clint hill, probably the most famous secret service

agent of all time, guarding jacqueline kennedy the day her husband was assassinated. arthur of a great book, "five days." carolyn, is this as bad as it looks? >> it's actually a little bit worse. several agents who used to work at the secret service have told me they are flabbergasted this has happened. they described it as a worst nightmare. because while the president wasn't in danger, he was heading north. this signifies that the secret service isn't able to sort of keep the fortress invulnerable, or impenetrable. that somebody actually got to the front door and got inside. >> here's peter king. >> there can be a lot of conspiracies against a president, a lot of complex assassination plots, this is the most basic, the most simple type of procedure and how anyone, especially in the days of isis, and we're concerned about

terrorist attacks, how someone could get into the white house without being stopped is inexcusable. >> mr. hill, thank you for coming on. let me ask you about the way they put information together. three incidents. stopped by troopers with assault weapons, and a circling of the white house on his map, which would seem to put him on a watch list of asome kind. then he's picked up at the white house and now again today. was there a way of seeing that coming, this guy was coming at home slowly, but he was surely leaving a trail of evidence that he was coming after the president. >> well, it appears that way. and certainly when he was detained by the virginia state police, and had that map with the white house circled, and had all the weapons involved, i would think they would have passed that information along. whether or not they did, i don't know. if they had, he would have been

a matter of record. and when he appeared, if it was the secret service who detained him for having a hatchet in his belt, walking near the white house, if the previous record would have been available, then it would have been added to that dossier. he would have probably been detained in some manner. the fact that he jumped that fence and ran, that happens quite often. the difference being that this particular individual made it all the way to and in the front door. that's not acceptable under any circumstances. >> a lot of people would think if they were that guy running, that they'd probably, if they were lucky, get a warning shot, stop or i'll shoot, really a warning they're about to get killed. does it surprise you he was able to get all the way too the white house without anybody drawing -- or releasing the dogs on him, they could have done that.

>> it surprised me that he got as far as he did. doesn't surprise me nobody fired a shot, because that's a matter of last resort. whether or not you release the dogs, i would have hoped they would have done so. i have a sneaking suspicion that because of the helicopter movement just prior to that incident, and that took place on the south grounds, which is separated from the north grounds by the house and the east and west wings, dog handlers may have been on the other side of the house at the time that this individual came over the fence. i don't know that for a fact, but that is i think probably what happened. >> anyway, the secret service seemed to praise how their officers handled part of this situation. although the officers showed tremendous restraint and discipline in dealing with the subject, the location of gonzalez's arrest is not acceptability. and "the washington post" writes

this, the secret service trains its personal not to shoot intruders on the grounds unless they pearp armed or are wearing bulky clothes or backpacks that could flabeth they are carrying a bomb. officers at the scene considered gonzalez to be unarmed and likely mentally disturbed and thus a low-risk. is that the sense that they saw a guy running like a mad man if you will, to use common terms, and they didn't think he looked like he was a premeditated killer? >> well, since i wrote those sentences, i am familiar with the concept and i'm also familiar with the fact that a series of agents have said to me, how do we know in 20 seconds whether the guy is wearing an underwear bomb? how do we know he's not a suicide bomber? how do we assess in that time period that his mental illness makes him more dangerous or less dangerous? several people have said they would be fine with firing a lethal shot if he's going to

literally cross the threshold of the portico and get into the building, if he's on his way. they know one thing, he's not replying to orders to stop. now, of course, this raises this big issue that's so fundamental to the white house. it's supposed to be the people's house. it's supposed to be a place you can look into and enjoy as a tourist. it's supposed to be the home of a president, not the fortress of a king. and it's a misdemeanor to jump the fence. and so do you shoot someone who's about to enter the president's home and the president's center of sort of his offices over a misdemeanor? that's a serious question. again, in this case, they decided he was not a risk. but omar gonzalez had a blade in his pants. so whether he was mentally ill or appeared to be armed wasn't really the final story. >> was that a switch blade? >> actually it's a two and a half inch serrated knife.

that's all i know. >> it's interesting. back in the '70s, everybody got a kick, on the left at least, driving around the white house, they would blow their horn if you wanted nixon to resign. but this isn't the first big security scare at the white house in recent memory. in 1994, a man flew a stolen cessna airplane through secure airspace and crashed it right outside president clinton's window. the president wasn't in residence at the time. also, a special report about this man, unloading 29 rounds from an assault rifle aimed at the white house. watch this. >> we have some amateur videotape obtained by wcr tv, you will see it in the corner of your screen, a man in a rain coat who fired the shots, the sound you heard just then was the shots being fired. he was subdued and arrested by the secret service.

>> anyway, november of 2009, "the washington post" reported a couple of aspiring reality tv stars frnorthern virginia appea to have crashed the white house's state dinner tuesday night, with no invitation, to mingle with the likes of vice president biden and white house chief of staff. you could take the 33 bus right past the white house. but there's a bus stop in front of the white house. it was part of the city. now you can walk through it, but you got all the tiger teeth there. the bus goes around, traffic goes around. these decisions are tough ones because they hurt our democracy every time we, as cal says, cordon off the president. >> well, that's exactly what happens every time an incident like this happens. the rights of the rest of the population get diminished and that's unfortunate.

but there's incidents all the way back. in '74, we had a helicopter on the south grounds, which had been stolen. in '72, we had a guy crash through the northwest gate in a vehicle. he got all the way to the north portic on, jumped out, had a vest on, looked like he had explosives, we didn't shoot him. we talked to him and got him to surrend surrender. but when you're talking about shooting people, that's the last resort. when you make that decision, you shoot to kill, you don't shoot to wound. that's not the name of the game. so, when you talk about shooting peop people, you have to be very careful about what you're saying. >> thanks so much for your great reporting. thanks so much. coming up, a chilling and disturbing audio tape from isis, the terrorist group calls president obama a mule of the

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welcome back to "hardball." isis militants reportedly released a chilling new audio recording that seems to be goading america and european countries into fighting them, while at the same time threatening americans here at home. the audio mocks the decision not to send ground troops. quote, are america and all its allies from amongst the crusaders and atheists unable to come down to the ground? they say you will pay the price as you walk on your streets, turning right and left, you will not feel secure even in your bedrooms. the tape hasn't been verified, but meanwhile today, according to "time" magazine, some

americans fighting alongside isis and other groups in syria and iraq, have returned to the u.s. the officials said the fbi is keeping a wash on them. gentlemen, starting with you, bobby, put it all together. the audio tape threatening to get us in our beds, the fact that we find out some of these guys are coming back from working with isis, fighting alongside them and back to the states. and the fact that the white house seems penetratable. the person watching this show says, you know what, i can see a chain of events here that i don't like. your thoughts? >> well, take them one by one. that audio tape is classic, street thug language, and this is what you expect from a group like this. this is not a conventional military, although they do have some aspects of military. they like baga doch yay, they like to sound off on their

enemies from a comfortable distance. so expect much more of this kind of language. those of us who have been monitoring this group for over a year now, we've seen this rhetoric in the arabic language against their local enemies. so this is not entirely surprising. on the question of how many americans have come back from the fight in syria, i'd actually like to hear more about that. because this was just a tantalizing hint. and the first time we've heard this, i think from the white house. i'd like to know some numbers and i'd like to know what they mean when they say they fought alongside isis. that suggests that they may not have fought with isis. we know that in the syrian fight, a lot of different groups are constantly fighting in the same space. sometimes they have a common enemy, which is the assad regime and sometimes they fight together alongside even if they don't necessarily see eye to eye. so i'd like to know more about that. and as far as the white house, that is really chilling and i just hope that's a one-off.

>> howard, that last one, we led with it tonight because it's our white house. we've lived in the city and known all our adult lives about the incredible security. you can't drive by on pennsylvania avenue. the old 33 bus, used to take it up to capitol hill. now there's tiger teeth there, you're allowed to walk in front of the fence, but the president is basically a captive inside the white house now, it's very secure. thought it was. >> well, chris, you're right to mention that as part of the atmosphere that is building in some quarters and really in a lot of the american public. what interests me about that story today about people who fought alongside isis coming back to the united states is, that that was in a briefing. that was a briefing -- from a briefing that a senior administration official held today ironically in the old executive office building right next door to the white house behind those fences.

and my question is, why is the white house saying that now? why are they putting that out now? and my interpretation of it, that's a piece of connective tissue between the politics in the middle east and the politics in the united states. and it looks to me like the white house is beginning more of an effort to build support in the country for what clearly will be a more open-ended and involved mission in that part of the world than the president has yet stated. >> so they're building a case for war? >> i don't think so. i don't know how else to interpret the fact that they held this briefing and said, you're right, there are people coming back. and you're right, the language is carefully crafted. fought alongside isis. i think they put it out because of the ongoing dispute within the administration not only about what language to use but how far to go. i think this shows that the people who say we've got to go

further have the upper hand. and a lot of the language that isis is using is thug, street language, designed to taunt, it's having an effect politically. >> i want to stay with you, this is interesting. it seems to me when you say administration official you're disguising the fact that it's a white house person, it's somebody who works in the white house doing this. why else would they be briefing next door? >> exactly. >> they cover themselves by saying, the background on this, it's an administration source, as if it came from the pentagon or state. so clearly this has a grand policy purpose, is what you're saying. >> it has a policy and political purpose. i think even though the president made this categorical statement and sometimes president obama makes categorical statements for political reasons and to reassure the public that he then has to work around later, i think the sort of

no-combat-troops phraseology that he used is one that could come back to haunt him and one that clearly pentagon planners and others who say, you shouldn't dare draw such lines, are trying to fuzz up in and around the president's own statements. >> got one more thing. i've read somewhere years ago that the middle east have watched the whites from europe cover their retreat. you fire a few rounds and you get out of town. this charge that the americans and the europeans, it's an isis charge. it's smart and deliberate. they're saying, you're afraid to put your feet on the ground. you're basically covering your retreat. you're not coming at us. is this a goading, or what would you call it in middle east psychology terms? are they trying to get us in or get us out? >> well, i think we're already in. so that ship has sailed. if they are trying to communicate in any way indirectly with the arab street,

they don't want american boots on the ground. even the arab countries that want our help, even iraq, the kurds, they do not want american boots on the ground. they want air support, they want military fire power. they want intelligence assistance and some training. they are not asking for boots on the ground. so it's not just that the west is reluctant to put boots on the ground, nobody in the region is asking us to put boots on the ground. so this taunting, it goes over the heads of most ordinary arabs, and we should let it go ourselves. because i don't think he should respond to that. we have enough real things to respond to. isis is a genuine crisis. >> so to use an american term, it's trash talk. >> that's exactly what it is. >> tony blair would say, we can't win on the air, we got to go on the ground. you're the best. thank you both for coming on. up next, a report that team executives did know what was on

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as the nfl continues to deal with the fall-out over the ray rice domestic violence case, new cases have begun about what the ravens knew after their star player assaulted his then fiancee. espn reported that hours after the incident, baltimore ravens director of security reached an atlantic city police officer by phone. while watching surveillance video, the officer who told him he happened to be a ravens fan, described in detail what he was seeing. sanders quickly relayed the damning video's play by play to owners in baltimore. the owner steve bisciotti pushed back against that report, but was asked if his director of security relayed a description of that tape to the team? >> i believe he did. i believe he communicated off of

the description that policeman did, which was off of what we now have as an incredibly shaky video. have you seen that? okay. so, that was what the policeman was describing the scene to darren off that original tape that kept going backwards and things like that. >> well, you saw every defense in the book. that's a record in flackery. batchy, shaky, anything to explain why he didn't see what he saw. joining me now is diana rossy, the nbc 4 sports reporter in washington. it seems to me he admitted the fact here after all that blah, blah, blah. >> yes. >> that the team owners knew what happened in that elevator, just like the nfl probably did get a copy of the tape. a woman executive got it. but obviously roger goodell refused to do the obvious and

walked around and said who here among the few female executives got that tape, instead of having the former head of the fbi spend the next six months or so wasting his time until the temperature comes down and he can keep his 44 big ones in perpetuity. that's just my thinking. >> thanks for having me on. we're at a point where we saw roger goodell go up there. now the ravens owner up there. it seems that everyone is really good at throwing each other under the bus. no one seems to be standing up there taking full responsibility and telling us the truth of exactly what happened and who dropped the ball here. you know, we've been saying this since three weeks ago, something stinks about this case, and it seems to just get worse every single week. we still hasn't been able to figure out exactly why the nfl, why the ravens, haven't been able to put together how janay rice was knocked unconscious.

if they knew he so-called slapped her or punched her, no one has answered that question yet. every single press conference i've been watching, i just keep thinking, how did they think she got knocked out? how is that allowed? so there's tons of questions that need to be answered and this investigation is hopefully going to find those. >> wasn't his original explanation that he slapped her with an open hand and hit her against the wall and it was the wall that did the damage? >> yes. >> i heard that was the original cover story. i don't know if it's true or any element if it's true. >> yeah, that was definitely the original story there. and chris, it was just brought up this zero-tolerance policy, maybe that the nfl should instate, which would work out the way you'd see a domestic violence case happen in the nfl or a player would get arrested and he would be immediately suspended from the nfl. and you know, the ravens owner was trying to bring up a point, you can't do that. that's not the way to solve

domestic abuse in the nfl. so granted, this ray rice story has brought so much attention to domestic violence, not just in the nfl, but in our country. the nfl, it's very obvious right now, they need to make changes. i believe the only way that domestic abuse is going to be handled the correct way and at least get better in the nfl is if the organization starts facing fines, suspensions, draft picks. that's the only way that we'll see change with the rules with domestic abuse concerning players, owners, coaches in the nfl. >> diana, thank you. what seems to be the pattern here, keep the possession of the ball, keep the star player on the field no matter what, keep the secrets if you have to. that's the consistent pattern from the nfl, roger goodell and bisciotti again. they're covering up. up next, democrats could score a big surprise in the senate battle. and take a look at the heated debate this weekend in arkansas in that governor's race between

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treated a doctor who contracted the disease while working in western africa. back to "hardball." the people of kansas elected me to go to the u.s. senate. the u.s. senate is in washington. my home is dodge city and i'm damn proud of it. [ cheers and applause ] >> mr. orman? >> well, i suspect senator i've been to dodge city more this year than you have. >> welcome back to "hardball." that was three-term republican pat roberts and his opponent independent businessman greg orman debating earlier this month in a potentially game-changing development. the red state of kansas could turn blue this november making the gop's path to victory harder than they thought. republicans may need to win seven seats to win control of the senate. the latest polling has roberts trailing orman by one. i think he's trailing by more than that.

a correspondent for "time" magazine and msnbc political analyst and washington bureau chief. and clarence page, arthur of the new book "culture worrier." i got to get your thoughts about the white house scam. this guy goes running across the fence. he's no genius or acrobat. he clears the fence, makes it inside the white house, carrying, i think, it was a switch blade. he had already been fingered before, carrying assault weapons with a map of the white house circled on it. there's all the indications in the world this guy was maybe looney or headed towards the president, to possibly kill him. and nobody noticed this, apparently. your thoughts, clarence? because we have isis out there would like to know the route to the north portico door and this guy is showing them the way. >> i want to know what happened to a missile dog, that great secret service dog who was supposed to come out and knock down intruders like a missile.

it seems like everybody was loose at the switch with the presidential family being away. and obviously there's going to be lots of investigations and reprimands going on and a lot tighter security, but i think this guy got lucky, it looks like, inasmuch as it's worth. >> david, along those lines, we just got a report today, we're getting reports of audio, hasn't verified that it's isis, it probably is. isis is saying they're coming to get us in our beds. this is an interesting connection. the day the president's house gets broken into and penetrated, they're talking about getting us in our beds. it has a credibility factor to it us. >> nothing would make us happier than drawing the u.s. further and further into this war. right now, they are competing with other islamic groups for the hearts and minds of people who they believe are anti-west and going up against the united

states, being fingered as the number one priority by the united states is really in their interest. it's exactly what bin laden tried to do in drawing us into war in iraq and elsewhere. so doesn't surprise me at all that they want to make this, you know, not the break-in of the white house, but they want to make the conflict in syria and iraq about the united states. they want to scare us and have us move in more. and we're going to continue to have that, and that's why it will be hard to have rational debates. >> seems to me the white house is trying to draw us into it to. a high level official walks to the old executive building and tells everybody, hey, we got some americans coming back from working alongside isis. they could be up to trouble. but we're watching them. why would they put out that statement, unless they wanted to get us excited about this war?

>> well, clearly they want war in america-- to warn americans attack is coming. diane feinstein is very strong terms said it's not really a question of if, it's a question of when. and she believes firmly there will be an attack on the homeland sometime soon. they're ratcheting up that language to in some ways justify going to war in iraq and syria and fight isis. because otherwise the polling for going back to war in the middle east is terrible. nobody wants to go back to war in the meeiddle east. you have to say there's imminent danger, a reason why we're doing this. >> i know i'm jumping around here, but this day is fascinating. they have a shot with greg orman, and everybody assumes he's going to organize with the democrats. he looks like he can knock off sam roberts because of the fact that roberts doesn't have a house in kansas. the conservatives don't like

roberts. the independents are saying roberts. so it looks to me that there's a good shot at democrats picking up, like they picked up maine, picking up a conservative state like kansas this way. >> yeah, this is what vice president biden would call a big f-ing deal here. they haven't had that in 80 years. it's amazing roberts is in this much trouble. orman needs the help, of course of the democratic candidate who is trying to stay off the ballot while the republican secretary of state is trying to get him back on to the ballot to divide roberts' opposition. if that effort fails and roberts has to do a head to head with orman, i think you're right. orman has a very good chance of winning. >> i know you got to be objective here, but you're in a round table, which is a

dangerous place to be. -- >> watch out. >> do you think this is a good one for the democrats to dream for, that they could make it hard for the republicans to carry the senate. because they'd have to carry seven seats if they can steal one in kansas. >> to me, it seems it's all about money. in august, the democratic senator committee had $5 million more than the republicans did. overall, democrats have raised a lot more money. and mitch mcconnell, the senate minority leader is in a race that will cost him $100 million to win. there's no money for the republicans out there. if they have to defend yet another seat, they're going to have to have the sophie's choice, come to jesus moment, where you have to decide, do you want to save your majority or save your minority leader? [ all speak at once ] >> who's going to win in kansas? i couldn't get it out. who's going to win in kansas?

are you going to tell me? >> it's so hard to say, but there's a lot of anger against governor brownback, and it seems to be trending towards the independent democrats. >> there's a lot of dark money out there too. there's a lot of folks out there, ever hear of the coke brothers? what state are they from? kansas. they and others, if they see this seat as being key to the republicans losing -- gaining control or not gaining control of the senate, they have lots of time left to flood kansas with money -- >> i don't think money can buy you love. i don't think money can buy you love. i think the guy has a problem with his residency. i like pat roberts, but let me tell you something. sam roberts writes for "the times." the guy has a real problem. you can't represent kansas and not in some way live there. anyway, stick around. up next, we're not used to seeing huge protest marches like in from the '60s.

but yesterday, look at this. a show of real concern. finally people in the streets about something. this time about climate change, and it's all over the world, but especially in new york. 300,000 people -- 310,000 people took to the streets to call for action with the united nations coming to town. this is overwhelming turn-out for the people. it shows the powerful, under-the-radar strength of an issue that politicians don't talk about. al gore was there. and another race, wendy davis, last year's queen of the filibuster, took on her opponent side in a gubernatorial debate. let's watch them go at it. >> my opponent, on the other hand, has paid women in his office less than he's paid men. he's campaigned with a known sexual predator who has bragged about having sex with under-age girls. >> senator davis, do you regret voting for barack obama? >> um, what i am working on right now is running for

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climate change to the streets." from london to peru to berlin and rio, it was characterized as the largest climate march in s. >> al gore h's back. u.s. secretary general. well, today's secretary of state spoke at the u.n. about the urgency of addressing climate change. >> it is absolutely imperative that we decide to move and to act now. you don't have to take my word for it. you don't have to take al gore's word for it. you don't have to take the ipc's word, the framework convention, all of those people sounding the alarm bells. you can wake up pretty much every day and listen to mother nature who is screaming at us. >> tomorrow, president obama will speak and join more than

120 world leaders at a day-long climate summit. david, i think the thing about this is you still have the no-nothings, the science deniers, the clown card i like to call them on the republican side, mostly republicans, who absolutely refuse any scientific evidence who say that this isn't something we should worry about let alone do anything about. >> well this is mostly politically. in the scientific community, there is a 97% consensus that global warming is real. it's con deuced and we better do something quick. in the political arena, you have 80% deniers. they're given more say than they deserve rather than laugh them out of the room. prior to that clown car, they still keep coming up to the

fight. all they have to do is come to a draw, say there are questions out there. for the public to be not as engaged to this. there's not a problem that's not knocking on your door, but that's going to be coming maybe knocking or howling the next decade or two. we keep struggling with that. >> david, it used to be that climate change was not a partisan issue. and then, all of the sudden, in the barack obama age, it became if you're a republican you're against it, if you're a democrat, you're for it. what they need to do is come back and depoliticize this issue and say let's figure out a way to work on this that isn't crazy. it's become so polarized. >> john mccain was the leader of the republican side before he

ran for president in 2008. now you don't hear a peep out of him. >> i interviewed john mccain, you know, actually four months ago. i asked him, where do you stand on climate change these days? he said i'd love to do another climate change bill, but there's no one left to work with anymore. it's just a subject matter that's dead. >> i don't call it the clown car. i call it the cash car. the industries that are opposed to more regulation to try to prevent the human impact on climate change are very much funding the side for regulation and it's become part of the conservative agenda to oppose anything that involves regulation. and in this political season, we see the coal industry and other similar industries that are heavily involved in this election for those very reasons. >> why do people who deny science want to be on the science committee? or is that too primitive a

question? why do these guys try to get on a committee with siechcience if they're basically old testament people. fine. they're fundamentalists. but why don't they get on a committee where all they can do is say i don't believe this stuch. >> because they either make regulation or block regulation. that's a key part of this debate, politically. it has very little to do with science per se as much as it has to do with which side is able to get the legislation they want. >> but if the tea party fever is not broken on the republican side, it's really possible in the next five, ten, 15 years, that we may pass a point of no return. there's some climate scientists who are coming up with these very, very, you know, troubling and pessimistic scenarios. they say there really isn't much time here.

when i see mccane shrugging his shoulders, he could be fighting on leadership with that. >> i think the great thing about this march, though, is it shows that people say constantly that nobody cares about climate change. that in the polling, it doesn't matter. and this actually shows that there are a lot of people out there who care about climate change. >> look, i've been waiting for demonstrations on jobs and all kinds of things, infrastructure, we finally got some people around ready to push. 310,000 of them means something. as woody allen said, show up. anyway, thank you. we'll be right back.

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let me finish tonight with my father and the love he found late in life. dad and mom were married in the early 1940s when he was in the navy.

when mom died five decades later, he found trudy webber. what they had in common was the shared life of being adlzheimers care givers. can you imagine sharing the life of your love for a huffalf cent? that batch of existence is not really what you'd call life. dad and trudy had a great time together for the simple reason they were a match made in heaven. well, today, down in ocean city, new jersey, where my brothers and i spent so many summers, trudy got her send off, mostly from her first family, but also from my brothers and i who were there to join her just as my dad and her had joined each other and knew what true love is. by god, he said such truth about appreciating what you have, not judging others, not worrying about the past but looking at

every day you have before you and faced with it all yourself. not a bad way to live. and that's "hardball" for for now. thanks for being with us. "all in" with chris hayes starts right now. >> tonight on "all in," alarming new details about the man who breeched white house security. he had been arrested in july with a cache of guns and a map of the white house circle. then, an nfl owner under siege. >> what's obvious is that the majority of the sources are people that work for ray. >> the latest twist on the ray rice saga. plus, an "all in" exclusive on the war against isis. inside the syrian rebel group we are now funding. and a day after the largest climate rally