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by which we mean so far, one. details. >> we began strikes against isil targets in syria. >> this is a fight you cannot opt out of. >> 1:00 on the east coast and 10 on the west. breaking news off the bat. we are awaiting live comments from president obama, the united nations this hour. he will be addressing world leaders at the climate change summit. this three-day visit will be dominated by isis. a major expansion of the military solved against that group. the fighter bombers hit 14
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targets in and around raqqa, an isis stronghold. command and control headquarters. the encampments were hit. timing of this tying with the president's trip to the un. he spoke to the white house late this morning before boarding marine one to new york. >> earlier this month i outlined for the american people our strategy to confront the threat posed by the terrorist group known as isil. i made clear that as part of the campaign the united states would take action against targets in iraq and syria so they can't find safe haven anywhere. i made clear that america would act as part of a broad coalition and that's what we have done. these strikes working and what comes next? here to break it down with me, the great tom brocaw special correspondent. it's a privilege to have you here. joining us also, rear admiral john kishy and bill nelson from
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florida. later this hour we will be hearing from "hardball" host chris matthews. i want to start with admiral kirby. you said these strikes are just the beginning. >> you might imagine, i would put pressure on isil and iraq and syria. you can expect to see future air strikes in both parts of the world. we will continue to put pressure on the guys and make it hard for them to operate and communicate to finance and train themselves and sustain themselves. we won't get into future operations. >> about telegraphing, there has been criticism on that front. some coming up on the hill and said there is too much lead time and perhaps isis had opportunity to disburse them. >> we are still assessing the results of the strikes of
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course, but every indication we have so far is that we hit exactly what we were aiming at and have damaged severely their ability to sustain themselves and command and control their own forces. we are still assessing and will get more information as we go along. if there was a measure of surprise lot of, it was not evident to us in the activities last night. >> were the strikes undertaken with coordination with the ground forces, particularly moderate elementses that we are now supposedly arming and training? >> the training equipment has not begun. we got authorization to do that and it will take months before we can get into full training of the moderate opposition and the other question, no, there was no direct coordination with moderate opposition with the targets we hit. >> i wanted to note that president obama is going to the podium to speak at the united nations and talking at this climate change summit. w50e8 wi
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we will be keeping track of that. while we are on the subject, i wanted to get your take. what does the president have to face in terms of obstacles as he juggles the issue. a lot of hold outs. they see it as enormous pressure on the traditional way of doing things. there those who believe it that the united states has to go alone. in the meantime it is a very fractured alliance on this critical issue of global warming. >> we will be keeping an eye on this issue. thank you for bearing with us. going back to the strikes, in addition isis the united states targeted a number of sites related to khorazan also plotting an attack on western
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interest. what intelligence do we have about that plot? >> we had very good information that this group, this dangerous group was in the final stages of planning an attack on western targets. either in europe or here at the homeland. enough information that we needed to take action when we did. thank you so much. >> tom brocaw, with so little intelligence on the ground. >> he served with great distinction. he was in the navy when we bombed iraq at the beginning of the war. people remember that night when we went after saddam hussein and thought we would all but level the city. the next day his sunni army and the people who were loyal to him
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emerge and began to fight back. so bombing from 20,000 feet or 10,000 feet has an impact and it looks worse to us than people on the ground. that's one issue we have to deal with. it's not pinpoint killing, but massive destruction hoping that you will interdict the command and control apparatus. they have been able to go into the hills in some way and have this uncanny ability to reinvent themselves also. if we strike them so hard, that goes out into the wider islamic community. inevitably, young men say i'm going to join the forces and it becomes a recruiting tool for isis. it's a tricky piece. what most people say is we got started way too late. this moving out of syria and into iraq for sometime. the time to hit them was when they were on the move before they got themselves positioned in iraq and had taken over cities and created an
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infrastructure for the military. last week they were. we voted in favor of arms and training syrian rebels. they did not vote on the question of air strikes in syria. a tough political road ahead. here to unpack that is bill nelson. thank you so much for being here again, senator. now he has gone ahead without support. did he need that support? >> not for the short-term. >> why back that bill? >> it's a totally different thing. outside of syria and saudi
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arabia, and on the ground in syria, we were doing the strikes from the sky. >> i was talking that you had proposed on air strikes. correct me if i'm wrong. >> eventually we have to. the president has the constitutional authority to strike as commander in chief. but this is going to be for the long-term. it has to come in and authorize the use of military force. i made a speech the day before we left and said we shouldn't be leaving. unified the country and giving the president the long-term authority to use military force. >> tim cain said on "the daily rundown." >> these specific strikes in syria, do you feel they should
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have gotten their own vote. >> the constitution was clear and the president always has the ability to defend the united states against any imminent attack. as the president described it, to chuck todd and go on offense against isil. that's when congress is needed and that's what the constitution says. i don't agree with the claims of some that the 2001 and 2002 authorizations cover this military action. >> senator, what action do you expect from the colleagues of yours who don't believe the action was legal? >> tim cain and i are in synch that we believe for the long haul you have to have the congress weigh in and give authorization to the president. we differ on the initial strikes. i believe in syria, the president in order to protect
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the interest of the u.s. has the authority under the constitution to strike. he has exercised that authority and that's why we should have given him the authority for the long haul before we left. it's possible we might be called back, but sooner or later we will authorize the use of military force. >> senator tom brocaw. this is a classic definition of a symmetrical warfare. it's the powerful u.s. against a less organized renegade group. the fact is as you tried to decide whether we will give the president congressional authorization, they are making plans and folding them back in the hills and moving into other areas. that's now how you move against them. we have to play by new rules. >> i agree. i think the president will keep pounding. you know there a lot of folks who were saying why did he wait
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this long? you and i agree maybe it should have been a year ago or a half year ago, but once he decided, then he left it up to the commanders. >> they are working with the army on the ground and fighting there. >> we will have to give the authorization for the use of force. >> these elements on the ground, did you vote as i discussed in favor of training the elements. this is the next big step. are the forces reliable? >> well, we think so. but we constantly have to verify. that's just the circumstance we find ourselves with. over the august recess, i was in
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turkey and met with the coalition. they are fighting a two-front war. they are fighting assad and isis. >> do we need to give a support to make it successful by them being on the ground. we have to try to continue to vet them. >> we appreciate your leadership on this. bill nelson. tom brocaw, i shaw you shaking your head on the reliability question. >> i have been covering that part of the world for a long time and certainly since the beginning of this war. i remember when they were trying to organize after they left the bathists go and rearm themselves and create another kind of an army. when general david petraeus was
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trying to show up. they were trying to show up in the regular uniforms. i said how do we know which of these we can trust? he said we are counting on the others to tell us. that's not what i call a foolproof system for vetting the people who say i want to fight. we are seeing examples of them in iraq in afghanistan and as soon as isis came across the bord border, they collapsed. you don't create an army overnight to fight this well organized militia. they are striking and syria. they are devastating when you watch them on television. a prominent leader is talking with a close friend of mine and said we missed a great opportunity as soon as isis moved out. we could see where they were going and what they were up to.
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>> you said this would drive recruitment. do you think these air strikes that's a consequence of that. this is all going to play out on various sites within the islamic world. they will be able to dial up computers and see what's going on. there will be radical preacher who is say you must join jihad against the evil westerners. he makes a point in his book about what happened when abu ghraib blew up. he said it was the greatest tool the opposition had. they poured in and a lot of them had money and they put it in the bank accounts at that time. it's something we have to be aware of. it doesn't diminish their force, but expands it. >> reporting on previous
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administrations, appreciate your insight. it's a real privilege. >> thanks to tom brocaw and other experts. up next the politics of these strikes both at home and abroad. you will hear from the one and only, chris matthews. don't go away. man when i got shingles it was something awful. it was like being blindsided by some linebacker. you don't see it coming. boom! if you've had chicken pox, that shingles virus is already inside of you. it ain't pretty when it comes out. now i'm not telling you this so that you'll feel sorry for me. i'm just here to tell you that one out of three people are gonna end up getting shingles. i was one of 'em. so please go talk to your doctor or pharmacist. thlook what i got.p. oh my froot loops! [sniffs] let's do this? get up! get up! get up! get up! loop me! bring back the awesome... yeah! yeah! yeah! with the great taste of kellogg's froot loops.
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the president just arrived to face off against tough political challenges over the air strikes in syria. at home and abroad. iranian president hasan told andrea mitchell that it was in his view illegal, not authorized by the un. he said iran is not cooperating with the un against isis, but we are extremely active against
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terrorists. the presidenta at the un building support for the offensive. he mentioned four countries that were involved. so far it is the first and only arab nation to confirm it was involved last night. the uae ministry conferms that the air force launched the strikes last evening and the operation was conducted in coordination with other forces with the international effort against isil. a lot of challenges from a wary international community and potentially from a hostile congress back home. the anchor of "hardball." i appreciate it. have you seen a coalition and do you think he will be able to build that in new york? >> we can't fight this war alone, but as it's happening, further air strikes are expected. the first time i can remember where arab countries decided to
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go out and kill as a country. the israelis kill terrorists and they have to kill them. these countries between countries, what's going on for the first time ever, you actually see the arab air forces which would provide them and pay for them and provide them jets and certainly all the other kinds of fighters and bombers and missiles. they are going to use it against isis. this is a big development. i can't think of a time where they said we would go to war with the terrorists. they are total low in bet with hezbollah. they are people back in tehran are against us? that's strange.
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generally this is a big development and a positive one. the great irony is everyone in the country is backing us and they are monarchies. inherited monarchies. there is not a democrat among them. these people have a different value system. despite what they told us for all those years, we have to have democracy when it comes to the crunch. it's in their interest. obviously that left the united states in bed with very much the wrong side of a lot of these conflicts. >> it's an irony. these people were never elected. we have the family and they are not by any definition our notion of how to run a country. they are there because of the he
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redity. even in egypt, the way that he succeeded nasser and mubarak. the number one goal is whatever they call themselves they replaced them for a lot of selfish reasons. they would rather die in old age. it's rough and tough. at home the politics are fascinating. the left never liked the warring over there. i'm part of that. i never liked any of the iraq wars. i went along with the afghanistan wars because it was going to the enemy. it's not the same as 9/11 or pearl harbor. those beheadings of those two americans, those got to us as i'm told by the pollsters as the number one news story of the last five years that got to the american gut. everyone can imagine in their heart being beheaded. they beheaded them because they were americans.
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that's why they behead them. they knew what they were starting. domestically obama puts out somebody to brief. i don't know who it was. the danger to us and this country. the left and the little. like w's iraq war. they don't say there is a threat to the soil for all of these cabinet numbers saying there was a concrete threat. what about the legal question. do you think there is going to need to be a use of military force? >> they will have to have a vote. that is chicken. >> the leadership didn't want to
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vote. it was bipartisan and the left did not want to vote. that forced the people on the left to put them in a position of backing or not backing the president. in louisiana and north carolina, they don't want to look like they are soft. they have to go hard on the authorization. the united states congress should always be willing to vote on a matter of car and ace. i wonder about this. i'm not is superior to anyone who runs for beginning, you but you think you run for the power to sit in that great jury, but they would rather have the title senator or member of congress than the reality of it. if they have to trade, they will trade off to keep the title. that's an embarrassment. they should be willing to trade to have the vote. wouldn't that be why anybody
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would want to be a senator? they can choose on the matters of great importance to the country and the role in the world? >> politics work and there was leadership. >> it's true. >> that's a call a lot of people are feeling as well. not enough leadership. >> what about the power brokers. is the president going to be able to sur mount that? >> i thought years ago like everybody did, it ended up being over with the moscow coop and thank got for him standing on the tank that day.
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that's over. they will be against the terrorism and fundamentalism. russia has always feared when it has the great empire when it attached on the southern part of the empire. on the jewish immigration, they didn't want it to start and begin to break up. that would begin a landslide. now they are out, but they feel threatened by chechnya and the other islamic parts of the empire and they have a stake in fighting that war. they are connected to it, but we are not. they will. the russians in a normal situation would be the allies in the fight. there is so much bad blood between the tough guy stuff coming from that guy over there in moscow that he doesn't want to act like a reasonable person.
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>> so much bad blood and reluctance to ever get involved. even when there is so much at stake. really important points. chris will look at all of this. he does a great job. 7:00 p.m. eastern time. just ahead, how is isis going to respond? it is exactly what the terrorist agency was looking for. we are going to take a look at what the organization is saying on social media. someone tracking the deep wbeb n this. health can change in a minute. so cvs health is changing healthcare. making it more accessible and affordable,
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♪ >> we continue with breaking news where bombers have begun in and around raqqa. we spoke to brian williams about the threat this group poses with the uk and the u.s. >> here you have isis which is a terrorist organization controlling a state. it has oil and money and territory and weapons. no doubt in my mind it has already undertaken and is planning further plots in europe and elsewhere. it was an isis plot that went into a museum to kill innocent people.
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there other plots including in my own country in order to kill and maim innocent people and the same applies to the united states of america. these people want to kill us. >> these strikes were not just gear at isis, but another terrorist organization. that group has been plotting imminent attacks against the united states and other warn targets. following all of this from london, appreciate it. does it look like the uk will join the strikes at this point? >> yeah, all indications suggest that the british prime minister here does support and has the political support for the royal air force to get involved in the fight. the royal air force has been involved in missions over iraq, but not yet participating in the air strikes against isis targets. there would be a formidable component to any air force
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operation against isis targets. the indication is that the united kingdom recognizes the threat of this and the rise of isis for these home grown elements. more importantly it does feel that there is now international legit mas tow get involved in the conflict. >> a big shift from 2013 when the u.s. was pushing air strikes in syria and got the cold shoulder from the uk and others. for a closer look at the region, i am joined by military analyst jack jacobs. less tell us about the mechanics of the strikes. >> they have split up with a wide variety of places. a lot is underground. there were lots of other strikes in and around the eastern part of syria. that's the concentration of
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isis. concentrations of troops and all those have been and now you can see how they were hit and two guided missile destroyers. >> each of the destroyers has more than 100 tomahawk missiles to fire and get replenished. we have the george h.w. bush. it's the most recent aircraft carrier. they are flying over iraq and other cases through saudi arabia and jordan. refueling required, but it's not that big of a problem and it's not that far. we had lots and lots of refueling capability. there was one set of strikes. we hit about 20 targets and you
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can expect that to continue. we have a bomb damage assessment and as soon as they figure out how badly they hit, and new ones will be hit after that. it's a stretch, but they can strike. we have a big air base in turkey. unfortunately the turks won't let us use that base. indeed of the coalition, turkey is now surprisingly absent. they started to make sound like they made support with logistics and administrative help and that stuff, but nothing at all about being part of the coalation that really strikes isis. that's a problem now and has been a problem. >> you see the turkey base. when people say turkey is the key and significant, this is
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part of that. >> in addition that, turkey is the place through much isis and there has been an influx of turks. we asked turk tow stop the oil flow and close down the banking relationships. >> there a lot of turkish perimeters and a lot of reluctant. >> they finally said because of a trade, they got the turks back. >> now that the united states is
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franchise in syria. a lot of brothers were wounded or hurt in the strikes. there was damage caused. >> do you expect a retaliation? >> they would very much like to retaliate. right now the means by which they have access to resources or targets are few and far between. they can carry out an attack in the u.s., but they would have done it already. we have an attack on a proxy target. something inside of iraq or jordan or saudi arabia. in a neighboring country to make it clear. >> there has been a lot of questions about how u.s. military action might play into recruiting efforts online. how do you see those connecting some. >> no doubt that any time the u.s. gets involved in a military action in the muslim world, there will be a negative reaction. none the less, in history it is
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proven that the more we can involve arab and islamic allies in terms of what we are doing, the less fallout there is. the less of a negative reaction there is. by including the governments of the uae and saudi arabia and especially qatar in this, we are bringing in a coalition of folks where it seems less kcrusader. >> does that make it harder to make the case? >> we hope so. we hope so. let's understand that the same allies that we have right now are not exactly known friends of islamists. they carried out their own strikes against libya that the u.s. condemned. these governments weren't friends of islam to begin with. >> someone like qatar have been accused of channelling funds to isis. >> they have. here's where it gets complicated. qatar supported the air strikes, but they did not support the air strikes against the khorazan
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group. why is that? the khorazan group, the name for this unit is an al qaeda fighting unit that is apparently affiliated with al qaeda's official franchise in syria. it's a designated terrorist organization and an enemy of the united states. it is recruiting americans to fight with them. there was a young american from south florida who blew himself up. it's also a group that last week qatar was reported to have paid $20 34i8 yon to in order to secure the freedom of various un observers who were taken prisoner along the border. the question is that we have an ally that is supporting our action against isis, but doesn't support our action against the general and for us, what's the difference? >> that is an important point. more and more officials are talking about the threat from khorazan specifically and a failiates that are not isis. what are you hearing on line? what do we know about conzan?
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>> very little. this name doesn't exist outside of the mouths of western officials or media. there is no group in syria that calls itself the khorazan group. however there al qaeda fighters who were trained in khorazan which is afghanistan and pakistan. the region of afghanistan and pakistan who traveled from the region to syria with the hopes of setting up a base to offense attacks on the west and various other countries. that's no secret. why has the government decided to refer these folks as the khorazan group? is it because of the fact that they are so distinctive that they deserve their own name? or is it because of the fact that we are afraid to call them what they really are which is a designated foreign terrorist group, but it's not a group that we are going to get arab allies to cooperate. not qatar, to cooperate in air campaign against. >> fascinating. potentially we want them to seem
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like a more cohesive group. >> it's very easy to say. these guys were trained in afghanistan and al qaeda. they are there and plotting against the west. you are focusing on a specific unit. we really need to know, is this group merely part of them and if it is and they are in a group that is recruiting americans and a designated terrorist organization, aren't we worried about partnering up with partners in this campaign who don't agree that they should be targeted? >> the reality is much less cut and dry than the talking points. thank you for breaking that down for us. helpful there. we will bring you an update on the speech by president obama at the un. he is talking about climate change this very hour. that's next. don't go away. if i can impart one lesson to a
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night and in the early hours of this morning eastern time. no word on the effect of these attacks, only that the pentagon believes they are, quote, very successful. but u.s. central command has released video of some of the strikes which were conducted in conjunction with five arab allies. almost 50 tomahawk cruise missiles were a part of the coordinated attacks which took place in three waves in the north and east of syria. however, while two strikes were aimed explicitly at headquarters, other major assets controlled by isis, a third strike aimed at a separate terrorist group president obama said was planning attacks on the west. >> last night we also took strikes by seasoned al qaeda operatives known as the khorasan group. it must be clear to anyone plotting against america, we will not tolerate safehavens for
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terrorists who harm or people. >> president obama gave the order to strike on thursday after his visit to centcom. lead counterterrorism adviser. lisa, let's start with the khorasan group. this is something the american people had not heard about until now. why were they added to our list of strikes inside syria. >> good to be with you. what you heard the president say this is morning, he took decisive action against this group of al qaeda veterans, seasoned operatives known as the khorasan group who had -- using the safehaven in syria has provided to plot attacks -- against the homeland. we've been looking at this group and following this for some time now, working with our foreign partners and -- >> lisa, was this group part of the couldn't place when the
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white house was seeking consent from congress to arm syrian rebels? and was this strike contemplated at the time the white house was seeking the congress's concurrence? because this certainly didn't come up on their vote on continuing resolution. >> this is a group we've been watching -- to make sure we're focused on imminent plotting against the united states and against that's what he did last night. >> is the idea of an imminent plot against the united states by this khorasan group, is that the way the white house is
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