decision-making process, desire to go to war, very different in the last administration to this one. thank you guys for your time. that's all for now. see you tomorrow at 4:00 p.m. eastern. "the ed show" is next. good evening, americans, welcome to "the ed show," live from detroit lakes, minnesota. let's get to work! u.s. air strikes lit up the night sky over raqqa. >> we are going to do what's necessary to take this fight to the terrorist group. >> last night's strikes were only the beginning. >> we should call it what it is. we are at war with isis. >> we face a common threat. >> first time you have seen this array of arab fire power. >> our response has to be all hands on deck. >> basically the new coalition of the willing, don't say it as

a pejorative. >> america is proud to stand shoulder to shoulder with these nations. >> our ideas are far more powerful than what the terrorists seek to destroy. good to have you with us. thanks for watching this evening. we start with breaking news. moments ago, president obama and secretary of state john kerry met with leaders from the arab coalition fighting isis in syria. the president delivered these brief remarks, following the meeting at the united nations. >> we also recognize that right now we have a very severe and significant threat. what we have seen from the world community is a recognition of that threat. and we are very appreciative of our partnership with all of the countries here. we are committed to a sovereign iraq that is able to maintain its territorial integrity and provide for its own security. we are committed to a syria that

is at peace and is not having the sorts of spill over effects that are burdening its neighbors. we are committed to making sure millions of people can return to their homes and that they can live in peace and security. and we are committed to making sure that we put an end to the kind of sectarian strike that has harmed so many. i want to say thank you to all of you. this is obviously not the end of an effort but is rather a beginning, but i am confident we have a partnership that's representative that will be able to be successful. >> the president moments ago, you can't word smith it, one thing that's clear, america is at war. 8:30 p.m. last night, the united states and arab partners began air strikes on isis, an al qaeda offshoot group within syria. the khorasan group believed to be actively planning attacks

against europe and the united states, in the first wave of strikes, they launched 50 tomahawk missiles in eastern and northern syria. target areas included the syrian cities of aleppo and raqqa. the second wave of strikes was executed by u.s. war planes shortly after 9:00 p.m. eastern time. they include f-15 strike eagles, f-16s, b-1 bombers, drones, and the f-22 raptor. this is the first time the united states has ever used the f-22 raptor on a combat mission. their targets included isis headquarters, training camps, barracks, and combat vehicles. the third and final wave started shortly after midnight. f-18s from the uss george h.w. bush, and regionally based f-16s attacked targets near dar czar syria. isis targets were attacked near five syrian cities.

earlier today, the pentagon labeled the air strikes successful. >> our initial indication is that these strikes were very successful. second, while it is not our policy to discuss future operations i can tell you last night's strikes were only the beginning. >> the syrian military was not notified of the strikes, but the syrian ambassador was informed by the united nations. the air campaign was coordinated with our arab allies in the region, jordan, bahrain, saudi arabia, qatar, and united arab emirates, provided support in the second and third waves of strikes. this morning, obama addressed that syrian air campaign. >> we are joined in this action by our friends and partners. saudi arabia, the united arab emirates, jordan, bahrain, qatar. america is proud to stand shoulder to shoulder with these nations on behalf of our common security.

the strength of this coalition makes it clear to the world that this is not america's fight alone. above all the people and governments in the middle east are rejecting isil, standing up for the peace and security that people of the region and world deserve. >> this is a coordinated long term effort against isis. the pentagon said today it would take years, but also said no u.s. combat boots will be put on the ground in syria or iraq. military officials said training the syrian opposition is under way. meanwhile, not everyone is on board with this military action. as president obama gave his speech on the white house lawn today, protesters were not far away. demonstrators shut down a check point, played dead on pennsylvania avenue. more than a dozen secret service agents removed the protesters who didn't resist arrest. last night's military action was not put up for a vote to congress. president obama acted alone. and that has some american

lawmakers upset. and we will discuss this tonight. both sides of the aisle will be heard from. get your cell phones out. i want to know what you think. tonight's question. is america doing the right thing by going to war? text a for yes, b to no to 67622. you can go to our blog and leave a comment there. we will bring you the results later. the question is i guess very subjective. going to war. is america doing the right thing by going to war. if they were bombing your home, if they were bombing your backyard, would you consider that an act of war? what do the congressional members think? is this an act of war? did the president have the legal constitutional authority to make this call? is this what the congress voted on last week? for more on all of that, let's go to congressman john gar a men defrom the armed service committee in the house. congressman, good to have you

with us. >> always good to be with you, and a profoundly important question you raised. and the answer -- >> well, i'll pose it to you. >> sure. >> is the president and is the united states on solid constitutional ground to take this action? >> well, we are clearly at war. and the lawyers can play with this any way they want to. frankly, the administration lawyers say they don't need congress, but if you're going to have a successful event, successful conclusion to this, you have to have the american public with you and you really need to have all of us standing together. that requires congress. i believe the the constitution requires congress to declare war. it is the same as declaration of war. different words, same result. we must do that. we are constitutionally mandated to do that, and it is how you rally the american people. we need the hearings. we need to know how much this is

going to cost, how long it is likely to last. who will be the boots on the ground, if not america, who will they be. all of these questions need to be thoroughly discussed. last week we took up the issue of arming syrian rebels. the debate was only on that, didn't include other four issues or three issues the president raised. >> congressman, it seems now that we are in a mode of act first, explain later. are you upset this wasn't put up for a vote, and we have talked with you in the past about hitting syrian targets and how that plays into the mix. your thoughts tonight. >> well, i've always said we had to take the air strikes to the rebels wherever they may be, degrade them. give the iraqi army the courage, others in the area the opportunity to reform to get back on their feet so they can conduct a ground war.

that's been done. but i have always said all along, this is something congress has to take up. this is, in fact, a new war. this is not an extension of the afghanistan war. this is not an extension of the iraq war, which the president actually declared was over. come to the congress. make the case. tell us how it is going to cost, how we're going to pay for it. what kind of opportunities there are to stop the flow of money and men and material into the isis arms. those are all issues that are critically important, and they're the kind of issues that should be debated, should come to conclusion. i will support the president on these air strikes. but i want it limited and that can only be done through the authorization to use military force, which would limit and define how we're going to conduct this war. >> congressman, does the information that's coming out about the khorasan group change the equation at all?

it has been isis who has gotten all of the attention as of late, now the reports on the khorasan group may be even worse. >> well, i think it doesn't really change the underlying question that this is an issue for the congress to take up for the armed services committee to hold detailed hearings, to hear it out, and to come to conclusion that yes, we support what the president is doing. we are willing to pay for it, and we are willing to endure whatever may come of it. that's what we must do. the khorasan group is said to be a direct off chute of al qaeda. and in that context 2001 authorization to use military force in afghanistan does extend worldwide. that authorization is used in yemen, used in somalia, used throughout africa, it is the unending worldwide authorization to conduct military campaigns, and it is now being applied to

khorasan. but that doesn't negleate that this is different, this issue of isil. we need authorization to use force. >> congressman, appreciate your time on "the ed show." joining us now, lawrence wilkerson. colonel, good to have you with us, appreciate your time. i want your thoughts on these air strikes. we are in the strike mode now. i don't know how often we're going to hit them, but in your opinion are these air strikes the right move? >> ed, first let me say i agree with the congressman as james madison said, the surest way to tyranny is to give a president unfettered war power. in the last decade, we seem to be doing that with great liberality. as far as air strikes themselves go, i don't see this as a

technique, as a way to make our point with respect to the islamic state and its forces, other than the kinetic reality of making the rubble bounce, maybe killing a few of them. what it is going to take to achieve the objectives that you showed president obama outlining in bold at the united nations is not bombs, it is going to take forces on the ground, hopefully arab forces, maybe even persian forces, muslim forces that are opposed to this more radical manifestation of their religion, eliminating these people. we can drop all of the rait ee on created cruise missiles at $2 million a piece against these people, all of the bombs we want to drop, and ultimately it is not going to meet the objectives obama outlined. objectives which i happen to agree with, whether getting refugees home or stabilizing the

region, this use of air power is not going to accomplish these objectives. so my question is strategic. what next, mr. president, what next, the united states. >> do you envision these air strikes being daily, around the clock? several times a week? what's your anticipation there, colonel. >> i do. from the way it has been expressed by the pentagon, i do. not quite in the overwhelming nature of the first attack, but i do see this as a continued mowing of the lawn. look at the complexities here, ed. we have the saudis on our side and saudis funding the islamic state forces. we have other arab states on our sides, and they're supporting islamic state forces. look at the complexity with regard to assad. a year or two ago, said he was unacceptable in power. now we are fighting and killing his principal, most formidable

opposition. you say iran is not needed for solutions here, yet iran is critical, and we know that, to establishing a politically inclusive government in baghdad. these are complexities that don't get solved by dropping bombs. >> what do you think reaction of isis will be as far as their tactics are concerned and their response to the strikes? >> we know what they'll do, ed. we have seen it before. they will spread out, they will not mass, they will communicate by other means, than the arrays we supposedly destroyed. i would like to see the intelligence we went on. i have seen a lot of intelligence in my 40 years in government, a lot of it i didn't trust. i would suspect we threw khorasan and immediate attacks against the home land in there to appease congress more so than the intelligence shows that. that disturbs me, when i see people doing what we did in my administration with regard to iraq's wmd, that disturbs me.

precision guided munitions are just that, precision, but they're no better than the intelligence on which they're based. these people are going to spread out, not going to mass, they're going to get rid of some things that bombs destroy easily, like buildings and armored vehicles and so forth and they'll still be there. the only way to root them out is with ground forces. >> what's your response to the five arab countries that were involved last night and their involvement moving forward? >> let me say i have not seen a single strip of video with a decal of saudi arabia, uae, bahrain or any of the other supposedly supporting forces on it. so i'd like to see a jet, i'd like to see something that had an arab decal on it, and i knew was an arab plane dropping a bomb before i believe they really are supporting. as i said before, the saudis in particular, but a number of these things are actually

supporting and funding the islamic state's forces. so this is a truly complex thing we've gotten ourselves in, with allies that aren't necessarily the most dependable in the world. >> and from your experience, colonel wilkerson, this intelligence that officials are saying that we had, that khorasan was planning attacks on europe and the united states, would the senate intelligence committee have access to that kind of intelligence? would they be briefed on that before this operation? how much do you think our congressional members actually know. >> if it happened the way it happened in three presidents i served, they know very little, were told very little. i hope it is different with this administration but i would not guess it is. you just touched on a point, a point that the congressman made boldly, and that is that it should have been done. this kind of information should be shared at least with key members of the congress,

including the select committees. it just is not the right thing to do, it is a violation of the constitution to do this without consulting the congress. at least key members of congress in getting their blessing. >> colonel lawrence wilkerson, great to have you with us on "the ed show" tonight. i appreciate your time so much. thank you. remember to answer tonight's question at the bottom of the screen, share your thoughts on twitter @edshow and on facebook. want to know what you think of this story and more. we want to hear all sides in the case of this military conflict, war, whatever you want to call it. coming up, there are anti-war protests going on outside the white house. we will talk with one of the organizers that says there is a diplomatic solution the united states is ignoring. and world leaders convene in new york for the u.n. climate summit. today, president obama issues a new executive order to curb carbon pollution worldwide. stay with us. we are coming right back on "the ed show." mething stronger...

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>> their voice of dissent being echoed by some members of congress. senator tim kaine of virginia says the president should have sought out congressional approval, before carrying out strikes in syria. >> the constitution is clear, the president always has the ability to defend the united states against any kind of imminent attack. as soon as they decide to go on offense against isil, if it is not just a defensive mission but offensive one, that's when congress is needed. that's what the constitution says. >> i believe the mainstream media didn't listen to anti-war voices and cover them. we shouldn't let this happen again. you'll get both sides on this show as we cover what's unfolding in the middle east. i am joined by david swanson, director of worldbeyondwar.org who spoke at today's protest.

david, good to have you with us tonight. i want to say that i have read your material with quite interest, and i would go so far as to say you're probably one of the most anti-war, anti-military action activists in this country, and i want to tell our audience that, and i don't think you would take exception to that. but i want to know -- go ahead. >> no, i completely agree. i agree 100%. i am not war weary, war aware. i have come to recognize it makes us less safe, it doesn't do us any good. so it is not so much weariness as awareness of what it is. >> has the president overstepped his constitutional authority in your opinion? >> no question, i agree with congressman garamendi, and senator kaine. even if congress comes back and votes for it, it is a blatant violation of the u.n. charter. this is illegal to go into another country and bomb it. but more importantly, it is counter productive.

almost knowingly counter productive. there is no military solution. they keep saying that, and by the way, candidate barack obama strongly agreed with everything i said. it is president obama who has changed his mind. and we have to bring him back to that desire to end the mindset that gets us into war because there are numerous useful nonmilitary actions here that doesn't involve doing what isis openly ex-ples itly wants the u.s. military to do, and almost guaranteed to be counter productive. look at the disaster in libya, look at the past quarter century, past several years and past six weeks in iraq, it makes things worse to go in and bomb a bad situation. >> what do you view the u.n., how the u.n. plays out here. i found it interesting that the u.n. informed the syrian ambassador these air strikes were taking place, and the u.n. has not formally said for this

coalition to back off. what do you make of that? >> i think the u.n. ought to. i think it is absolutely obliged to. but one of its permanent security council members with permanent veto status is involved in this. the u.n. needs to be reformed, needs to be demock ra advertised, needs to be strengthened. the fact is this is an operation going around the u.n. the fact that you get five kings and dictators to say they're on your side shows you have -- 79% of weapons shipped into the middle east according to united states congress are from the united states, not counting the u.s. military weapons. an arms embargo would be three-quarters of the way with the united states initiating it. if they can get the sunni governments to bomb sunnis, it can get them to join an arms embargo, join discussions that include iran and russia and syria and iraq which the u.s. government is willing to talk to about war but not about peace,

and send in actual aid. a martial plan scale of restitution of that region, which would be far cheaper than $2 million missiles. >> dissenting voices such as yourself, what are your expectations as all of this reaction unfolds? >> i think the public support for it is exaggerated and is likely to be short-lived. i think it is driven by irrational fear, based on slick beheading videos and reports on beheading videos. i think people are going to realize that bombing the opposite side of the side they were told they had to bomb a year ago and arming the other side at the same time is madness, that this is benefitting isis, benefitting the weapons companies, it is not benefitting the people of iraq, syria, or the world, and it is tearing down the rule of law which we would like to uphold for this nation and every other nation going forward, and they are unwilling to say how many years and what cost in any

measurement of the cost. people are not going to stand for this very long and the congress members have given themselves a little too lengthy a vacation i think. they're going to start hearing pressure from people who want this ended. >> all right. david swanson, good to have you with us tonight. i appreciate your voice and your opinion and if you're watching tonight, you can follow us on twitter @edshow. we would like to hear from viewers tonight. coming up, beyond isis, our coverage continues with a deeper look into the second terrorist group in the cross hairs of the u.s. military. plus, president obama takes new executive action today to cut carbon pollution. we will dissect his plan ahead in the rapid response panel. but next, your questions, ask ed live coming up. we are right back.

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international development programs and investments. the president went on to layout the risks for the world. >> no nation is immune. in america, the past decade has been our hottest on record. along our eastern coast, the city of miami now floods at high tide. in our west, wildfire season now stretches most of the year. in our heartland, farms have been parched by the worst drought in generations and drenched by the wettest spring in our history. a hurricane left parts of this great city dark and under water. and some nations already live with far worse. worldwide, this summer was the hottest ever recorded.

with global carbon emissions still on the rise. >> today's meeting was designed to lay the ground work for a new global treaty to tackle climate change due the end of next year. that plan goes into effect in 2020, during the summer of 2013, president obama set goals for the united states to address pollution. >> transitioning to a clean energy economy takes time. but when doom sayers trot out old warnings that these ambitions will somehow hurt our energy supply, remind them that america produced more oil than we have in 15 years. what is true is that we can't just drill our way out of the energy and climate challenge that we face. >> this june, the environmental protection agency designed a new plan to cut carbon emissions by 2030. the plan is a hot campaign issue, especially in west virginia and kentucky in those

races. certainly there needs to be change, not just politics. the united states has been one of the biggest culprits of fossil fuel emissions. this chart shows the united states is responsible for 26% of cumulative emissions from fossil fuels in cement between 1870 and 2013. politicians pledged to take action for many years, but have done little or nothing, they're ignoring what many americans want. recent poll on this from june found 65% of those surveyed support the government tightening pollution regulations on businesses. joining me tonight in our rapid response panel, michael brune, and dr. reese alter, conservation biologist. great to have you both with us. michael, you first. what do you make of the president's comments today in his executive order which he announced? >> well, we thought his speech was pretty strong, certainly when it is coming on the heels of the largest march in u.s.

history on climate change, the president is under some pressure to make sure he actually holds a leadership position on climate change in the u.s. but what we really need is not just a good speech from the president, we need continued action from the president, certainly on keystone xl pipeline, follow through to switch from coal to clean energy. we need leadership on fracking as well. today's speech was a good start, but he has some significant tests over the next couple months. >> dr. halter, what happens in the next 20 years if we as a country do nothing? >> good evening ed and michael. it is an unimaginable scenario, spending over 36 billion tons of greenhouse gases this past year, if we continue at this rate sometime soon after 2030 we will have spent the entire carbon budget for this century.

we will then be in the realm of eclipsing 7 degrees fahrenheit, and it will be an uninhabitable planet for our children. the oceans will shut down, the forests globally will shut down. ed, that is a scenario that we are not going near. >> and you have fellow scientists and there are studies that say in the next 20 years the temperature of the earth could go up 7 degrees? >> soon thereafter, absolutely right, soon thereafter, because here's the thing. the carbon storage capacity of our forests around the world begins to shut down with another degree and a half from where we are now. so if you ramp it up that much more, it is an untenable situation. but let us not dwell on doom.

let us look to the future as the biggest challenge for the entrepreneurs of united states of america to innovate, to provide solutions for green energies. look, we just passed a moment last month with super critical steam from solar thermal in australia, which is a game changer. this is analogous to the late 1940s and mock one when we broke the sound barrier. there's a lot to be excited, and at the same time we need to protect all of the standing forests now. >> michael brune, the sierra club has taken the position that the jobs will be in clean energy. >> yep. >> does giving a 2015 deadline for a plan to start in 2020 guarantee real change? that seems a little molasses movement, i think. >> seems like a delay, yeah. there's some good news and some bad news.

what we know, that should encourage us if we get a strong treaty, if negotiations started today, they will go until december of next year where they'll conclude in paris. if we get a great global treaty on climate in paris, it will be enormously helpful. but we should not think climate change is solved with a global treaty, or a single piece of legislation in the united states. we're going to need action from all of us as voters, as consumers, as investors to move away from dirty energy and towards clean energy as quick as possible. >> i mean, dr. halter, it seems hard to believe that one day meeting at the u.n. is going to set the table for real change globally. what are your expectations out of the u.n. meeting? >> the expectations, of course, are that china and australia and canada pull it together and get away from this oil, gas, and coal scenario, which by the way is lethal because of methyl

mercury. the amount of mercury in the oceans has tripled. there's over 80,000 tons in the ocean. mercury is a neurotoxin. it is lethal. and by the way, everybody on planet earth has mercury in their bodies. that's a given. so yes, we started this, and as michael said, there isn't any one initiative here, but it is the movement. and we all are left with active hope, which means each of us have to lend a helping hand and begin to consume less, conserve more, and become water smart. look, we're missing an immense amount of water in the last year from the colorado river basin, the equivalent of 53 million football fields, one foot deep. enough to fill lake meade, the largest reservoir, two times. this is real. this is real. >> we will continue to cover this subject.

it is very real, and the drought that's taking place in california is devastating and leading to the fires. we will get to all of it. great to have you with us tonight on this vital topic. still ahead, we continue our special coverage of the on-going u.s. attacks in syria. we will bring new information on the second terrorist group in syria that was plotting what they say was an imminent attack against america. keep it here, watching "the ed show." we will be right back.

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but they're very experienced folks, who have been in pakistan, afghanistan, north africa, chechnya. because the plotting was getting advanced, we thought it was critical to take this opportunity to go safr them as well. >> for many americans, it was the first time to hear about the extremist khorasan group. isis has been getting the attention these days, but u.s. intelligence officials have warned the khorasan group poses just as much a threat to the homeland. though the exact number of fighters is unknown, they have been working with bomb makers from al qaeda's yemen affiliate and testing new ways to slip explosives past airport security. a source tells nbc news that they had specific news about plots, although they said there was no imminent danger against any specific flight, individual, or target.

sounds like a contradiction to me. overnight, u.s. central command conducted eight strikes against khorasan groups west of aleppo. including training camps, explosive and munitions facility, a communication building and a command and control center facility. the group's leader is reported to have been in osama bin laden's inner circle, according to the state department, he may be one of the few trusted al qaeda operatives who knew about the 9/11 attacks before they were launched. joining me tonight, lawrence korb, also former congressman patrick murphy, msnbc contributor who was the first veteran of the iraq war to serve in congress. gentlemen, good to have you with us tonight. the key question here is intelligence. how good is it? the american people are hearing about khorasan. what do you make of that? >> it's been known for a while, but they were trying to keep it

secret, i think, because we didn't want to let them know that we knew about it and what it was up to. it's a group about a hundred people, the foreign policy of al-nusra. they don't want to overthrow assad. they just want to use the situation in syria to plan attacks around the world. >> patrick murphy, what is the difference between operationally of these two groups? is one just an absolute attack group and maybe not driven as the other islamic group is driven, isis? >> the khorasan group, they are affiliated with al qaeda. and because of their relationship with the bomb makers in yemen, very dangerous, and very imminent threats to american interests and western interests. when we talk about the sophisticated bombs that they're able to generate, we're talking about tooth paste tubes.

we're talking about clothes dipped in liquid explosives. you put that on a civilian aircraft and it's 9/11 all over again, or at least for that airplane. so, absolutely an imminent threat. absolute authority from 2001. but the difference, the khorasan group that's affiliated with al qaeda in syria and isis in syria is that the isis in syria, they want to control lappnd, get ridf assad and control iraq. so two different missions, but both, especially with the al qaeda affiliated group, an imminent threat to american interests. >> so what does the khorasan group want? what is their mission here? >> basically they want to carry out what osama bin laden had started. as you mentioned, the head of this group seemed to be one of the people who knew about 9/11. although it's kind of

interesting. he would have been about 20 years old at the time, but basically they want to harm the united states and its allies in the western world, with the long-range goal of getting us to leave the middle east alone. they don't want us there, so that they can pursue their own agenda. but, you know, i don't know about an imminent threat. i think they're more of a threat to the homeland than isil is, but we've got very good intelligence to them. that's why if you get on the planes now, they check your laptops and things like that much more to make sure that this has happened. and don't forget, we stopped the underwear bomber, who is one of the guys they were following. and with our department of homeland security, i think we're much better prepared to deal with people like that, because we share intelligence within the country and with other countries. >> can i mention something real quick, ed? >> absolutely, go ahead.

>> real quick, what i think was interesting. we had a coalition of arab countries, five countries, bahrain, qatar, emirates, that were with us, attacking isis in syria. they peeled off those fighter jets, and fought this al qaeda group in syria. so there was two different missions there. at the end of the day, there's a lot of americans that are saying, why don't we get an authorization for use of military force from the congress? congress has been mia. they have tons of hearings on benghazi, but they want to punt all the responsibility to president obama and they're on vacation again this week. so we'll see how that turns out when they come back next week, if they want to finally do their job. >> so, patrick, what i'm hearing here is that the khorasan group has much greater sophistication to hit america than anybody else on the planet? yes or no? >> that's a yes from me. yes. >> i think it is much more so

than isil which is more concerned about what's happening in syria and iraq. [ all speak at once ] >> okay. great to have both of you gentlemen with us tonight. we'll continue this coverage tomorrow. "politicsnation" with reverend al sharpton starts right now. good evening, rev. >> good evening, and thanks to you for tuning in. we start tonight with breaking news. nbc is reporting the u.s. military struck two more targets inside syria today. continuing last night's dramatic bombing campaign against isis and other terrorist groups. tomorrow, president obama will address the world at the united nations with a call to arms against isis and other terrorists in syria. the strikes overnight mark the beginning of a long campaign against key terrorist targets,