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thank you for watching the cycle today now with alex wagner starts right now. >> as president obama delivers another strong message against isis, isis sends one back. it is wednesday, september 24th and this is "now." >> we must meet this challenge. ♪ ♪ >> the layers of bad actors that have accumulated in syria. >> no god condones this terror. no grievance justifies these actions. >> beheading people. persecuting religious minorit s minorities. >> terror is not a new weapon. >> the word spoken here today must be matched and translated into action. >> this is going to take a long
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time. >> this is going to be the rest of the obama presidency. >> turkey is a very important player in this. >> today i ask the world to join in this effort. >> this is so different from a year ago. >> we see signs that this side could be reversed. >> what is so important for moderate voices to speak out. >> america stands for something different. we believe right makes might. a fourth hostage was beheaded at the hands of islamic terrorists. hours ago a group associated with isis in nigeria released video of a french terrorists, speaking at the u.n. today, french president called the beheading cruel and could yward. it is the first execution outside isis in syria.
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it's own coalition of willing extremist. this latest development just hours after president obama spoke directly to an issue of violence and kacarnage. >> this group terrorizize all who they come across in iraq and syria. mothers, sisters, daughters, have been subjected to rape as a weapon of war. innocent children have been gunned down. bodies have been dumped in mass graves. religious minorities have starved to death. innocent human beings have been beheaded with videos distributed to shock the world. the only language to speak against killers like this is a language of force. we will work to dismantle it.
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>> he encouraged the community to come together, the real focus is those in islamicer world. especially recruits vulnerable to isis. >> it is time for the world, especially in muslim communities to explicitly, forcefully, and conne consistently reject the ideologies of forces like al qaeda and isis. i speak to people across the muslim world. you come from a great tradition that stands for education, not ignorance. innovation, not destruction. the dignity of life, not murder. those who call you away from this path, are betraying this tradition, not defending it. >> following his general assembly speech president obama
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held a meeting with iraq prime minister and flight is chairing a committee on foreign fighting terrorists and in the last hour set international rules to crack down on the flow of foreign fighters. >> the historic resolution we just adopted shows our commitment to meet this challenge. it is legally binding. resolutions alone will not be enough. promises on paper cannot keep us safe. lofty rhetoric and good intentions will not stop a single terrorist attack. the words spoken here today must be matched and translated into action. into deeds. >> joining me now is deputy spokesperson for the u.s. state department, thanks for taking the time to join me today. let me first ask you about the latest beheading. we also have news that several
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german tourists have disappeared in the philippines. with all that on the radar, how dangerous is it to travel arnold the world right now? >> we know it is very dangerous to travel to a number of places starting with syria and iraq. the state department where i work made it very clear to people all around the world, the dangerous places that really these places are. when we talk about syria and iraq with the american hostages, these were people who were journalists trying to show the world the atrocitiys that were happening there. it is a dangerous place and regi region and we know there's a real threat. >> the german tourists are being held in the philippines, to this point, it was not a place most americans associated with islamic fundamentalism and terrorism at this level. >> no you're absolutely right. i think what we made clear starting with the president and
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secretary and everyone else, is that people all around the world need to stand up and reject this violent ideology. now in today's world with social media and the internet this kind of ideology can rapidly spread. all it takes is a few people buying into it to cause many panic in some places. that's why we need people not just in the middle east, syria, and iraq, to stand up and reject what they are doing, what they are fighting for, and saying thattize lamb is a religion of peace and isn't represented by these people. >> i know you are in new york for the u.n. general assembly and president obama had a historic meeting with the new prime minister of iraq. given the problems with the last guy, how much more confident is the u.s. today in the new prime minister in terms of leading iraq to success given how much of our strategy is predicated on
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his politic wealth. >> absolutely. and you heard the president today and i know secretary kerry is impressed with his vision for iraq and he understands it is not just a military operation but that he has to do things as prime minister to reach out to all the political parties, the shiite the sunni and the kurds in iraq and bring them together. he's already taken steps towards that end. he has said the right things and he's doing the right things and we're very impressed by his vision of iraq. i would also mention the meeting yesterday in the many other sunni states it who participated. some of these have had very bad relations in iraq in the past few years, they all sat at a table together and said they wanted to work together. it was quite historic here in
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new york. >> to go back to syria. we dropped as many bombs in syria on monday at we have in an entire month of strikes in iraq. what can you tell us about civilian casualties. >> we have not seen credible reports that there have been civilian casualties. of course any reports that we get that there have about is taken incredibly seriously. the president and military leaders have spoken to this directly. we take the utmost care, it is certainly something we are very focused on, and people at the pentagon planning these operations take extraordinary care in that regard. >> no doubt they take care in that regard but i wonder if you can have confidence with no eyes on the ground in terms of reporting. >> one thing we have done in iraq is increased our eyes on
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the ground, as you just said, so we could have additional information and intelligent before taking military action. that's part of the operational planning that goes into this. so we know who is in range of the targets and they are incredibly precise. if you look at some of the photos the pentagon put out yesterday they are incredibly precise strikes, every care is taken to avoid civilians. >> thank you so much for your time. with me now brian and new york times the white house corresp d correspond corresponder. many brian, how terrified should wester owners be at this time? >> i think westerners should always exercise caution but at this moment after dropping bombs
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will promote action. all islamic groups probably try to attempt some action. we seen in australia attempted plots against citizens. so we should be concerned but keep that fear in check. if you remember ten years ago, what fear drove us to, which were all sorts of mistakes and unforced strategicic errors, li the invasion of iraq. >> let's talk about the coalition of t coalition, in effect the president is trying to build the u.n. general assembly today, isis building its own coalition around the world. when you think of this president and his outreach which land mark speech has more effect, the speech in kier cairo in 2009, or
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the one he gave today, intended for the broader muslim world and intended to change perceptions about america in the muslim world. >> that's right. he's been trying to send this message for quite a while. as you pointed out the cairo speech in 2009. he's had a lot of things on his plate, he comes back to this topic from time to time. did it forcefully today. he is saying we are not at war withize lam ize laslam, it is ue muslim limits to speak against this per version of your relegion. it hasn't produced the results he was looking for in the past. >> the council passed 15-0 this
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ruz lu resolution about korea krrecrui foreign fighters. how difficult it is. >> it has many different moving parts, syria and iraq and regional components. this resolution is part of the national and regional kpoep aal. all of it is not as easy to get done. two countries with private financing to some of the groups we are now going after. this is a big challenge. i think the president is taking a step in the right direction. for anyone who says he's not engaged in global affairs, look what he has done the last couple months. the key will be will he empower his team, people like general
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allen who has been appointed as special envoy, which has led to early retirement, for a range of reasons, this the white house likes its own finger print on foreign strategy. it requires dexterity, moving quickly. you need to have people in the region that are viewed as empowered by the white house in implementing this strategy moving forward. >> tell us where the president thought he would be if we look at last year's u.n. general assembly speech and where he is right now in the land scape before him, which in many ways may be completely populated with foreign crisis. >> he hoped to turn the tide of war, he hoped to move america. he took a over away from the per
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p petual war on terrorism that he inherited. he didn't expect it to be as dominant as his predecessoror confronted. looks like this is not going to be resolved before he leaves office and he's trying to get to the best place he can so his successor inherits a better situation than it is today. >> it is not predictable, a day like today under score that's perfectly. gentleman, thank you for your time and thoughts. after the break, the terror group the american public was never told about but which poses a greater threat to the homeland, apparently, than isis. i will speak with adam shift who was in the briefings on khorasan before the public even knew its name. plus the fight to lift half a billion children out of extreme poverty. the grandson of nelson mandela
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are looking into reports that the first wave of air strikes on monday killed a leader of the khorasan group, a group that just a week ago wasn't even on the public radar, mainly because the group hadn't been mentioned publicly until last thursday, which is when director of intelligence was asked if khorasan posed the same threat as isis. >> the khorasan group, so called, which i guess is out there, is -- potentially -- yet another threat to the homeland, yes. >> fast forward just five days
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and the country learned alt the same time u.s. launched air strikes throughout the region. >> u.s. air forces also executed strikes against the khorasan group, a terrorist organization located in north west syria. >> we get it is another threat to you know lateral precision strikes. the group is mainly composed of veteran al qaeda fighters who travelled to syria to link up with affiliates there. the group has specialized bomb making expert eaise and in the final stages of plotting an attack on europe. and yet despite all of this,
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very little is known about khorasan, a group which has yet to confirm its existance and who's name was apparently coined by the u.s., due to the fact most of its members come from afghanistan and pakistan which jihadist refer to as khorasan. joining me now, a member of the house select committee on intelligent and counter terror annual lift and former director of the counter terrorisment s. gentleman thank you for your time in what is a very busy week. congressman you said members of the committee has been briefed on khorasan for some time. what does "some time" mean. >> it's certainly been months and months. we were aware for a long time that elements of al qaeda were posing threats to the region and to us in the homeland. it has been many months we have
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been briefed about the specific threat of core -- al qaeda leaders teaming up with bomb makers in yemen and posing a very direct threat to our aircraft and homeland. many ofis have been saying let's not lose site of the most immediate threat to the country which is not from isis but from groups like khorasan. >> if this has been on the bubble, as they say, for this many months were the alarm bells ringing that many months ago or has khorasan become a greater danger in the same way isis has become a greater dangerous in the course of the last few months. >> i think it largely has been a great threat and progressing and the intelligence community has been watching it closely. it is appropriate that the american public knew that there was a homeland threat that
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congressmen spoke about but we don't want the public to know the name of the group or some of those details because it will under mine the intelligence community ability to target them as they did in the last couple days. it is a good news story. don't want to under mine the ability to use lethal action because of the advancement of the threat. >> let's talk about who khorasan represents. some folks say, u.s. goes to war. khorasan is the international wing affiliated with the domestic front in syria, and some folks are saying we should not be battling, some moderate syrian forces saying we should not be at war withal-nusra at this time. by bombing syria with are going to war against nooal-nusra.
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do you agree. >> i don't agree with it. their number one priority is fighting the regime. our number one priority is protecting our country which means going after groups like isis, and al qaeda. al-nusra is the official franchise in syria. we have the overlapping objectives but not exactly the same priorities. that's why it will be a challenge. >> let me follow up why it is a good thing that american public didn't know about khorasan. i wonder, if i'm congressman, is it good thing to take out the truth. >> it's is a difficult balance to walk. we want to bring in talks about the threats we face.
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at the same time if we give too many specifics then they change, they can piece together, okay, they must have access to our communications or other ways of identifying or locating us. so that balance is tough to strike. but i think we did a pretty good job. you know, i was just having a conversation with matt olsen of the counter terrorism center days ago saying if there is an attack on the homeland from khorasan, american people will say did we take our eye off the ball in terms of focussing too much on isis. >> there are multiple heads. which have news this hour of beheadings happening to french citizen inial gearia, a german
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tourist who disappeared in the philippines. so not necessarily about the mid east, it could be in the philippines. how kbacombatable is it. >> this is why it is so hard right now. the fact is we face a real threat from the khorasan group in syria. you also have potential for isil sending western op rattives. but this more dif fused threat of individuals taking action into their own hand under the flag of isil, it's a real challenge. we see it in nigeria and the philippines. and god forebid we have to try to prevent it in the west. that is the hardest thing for the counter terrorism community to face. >> i have to ask because you have been fierce in saying congress needs to take a vote,
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it feels there's more momentum through every authorization, which doesn't mean it will happen in congress, what's the likelihood that something, anything gets done before the end of this year, before the lame duck session? >> i think the momentum issir resistible. that we will have a vote in the lame duck session. many of us didn't want to call a recess to begin with. it's a stounding to me at a time of war congress leaves for elections rather than authorizing the president to protect the country. i think there's growing members in the house demanding it. this is, i fear, abductation of constitutional a mendment. we have just voting for the funding, not the broad war effort. given this is going into his last years, you really need the
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country behind it, and to make sure the representatives are well into the effort, so there are important practical reasons to take up a vote as well. >> do you think any responsibility of upholding principals lies on the shoulders of the president for not speaking directly to congress. >> yes it is a shared responsibility of the president should have come to congress for authorization but failing that, we can't lay this entirely at the white house doorstep. there's nothing from congress on its own from taking up this issue. it is our institutional responsibility to declare twwar. it will be future congresss that are diminished. our role as check and balance will be diminished. so yes, president has a role he should have under taken but i place most responsibility on the shoulders of congress itself. >> it is good to see you. i'm glad you're in washington. one of the few members of
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michael let's talk about the alliance between france and u.s. on issues of counter terrorism. >> the french have been a close counter terrorist ally since 9/11 working on a number of problems, they took a lead in maly and were very forceful using french ground troops and air power and since handed it off to an international peacekeeping force. but the french really drove this and they understand this. they won't take this in stride. i think it will get france more involved. i think it is a good thing for the coalition. >> to that end we have heard increasing interest from the brits, also going to the british public to get their stamp of approval. >> let's stress military is only
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one key kmoent component. this is multi facetted strategy. given there are 12,000 plus foreign fighters, perhaps 3,000 from europe and couple,0 thousa from the u.s. >> u.s. has more skin than the united states. >> yeah. you look at the incident in australia where counter terrorism officials stopped this plot. we need to be coordinate there'd. going on the offense is one part of this. we need to be clear about that. some countries have clear capabilities but it has to be all full spectrum approach. other thing these countries have is a large muslim culture itself. these are key centers of gravity to help us communicate the message that i think president obama was saying at the general assembly today that there are
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moderates and extremists theends communities can be esesential i helping us craft that message. >> in terms of capturing those who who have done wrong, when we are talking about britain, the man who exkuded james foley was likely a british citizen. we haven't heard much more on that in recent weeks. how confident that ultimately these people will be caught. >> well i'm not confident that these people will be caught. i am relatively confident that these people are going to meet their end in syria. if they're not arrested, they're going to over time, i hope, get taken out by air strikes or grounds force. this will be multi facetted coalition. we will need different things from different parties. a lot of people ask do the saudi's fly missions? we need them for messaging and
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engaging. the french and brits we really need them for for in fighting travel. so different parts of this international coalition that the president is trying to fit together will play very distinct and equally important roles. >> we have breaking news out of the pentagon. >> alex, as we speak there's a second wave of u.s. air strikes against isis targets in syria under way currently. now according to officials, this is pretty much -- the kind of strikes we had seen on monday night, the opening night, that was laurngnched not only by u.s but arab coalition in syria. it's not clear what the targets are. because this is an ongoing operation as we speak, we're not going to be provided many
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details because obviously officials here at the pentagon and over in theater in particular out of sent come, they don't want to alert the enemy forces on the ground as to what kind of targets these american and arab allies will be striking currently. but it is not believed to be as large a target set as we saw on monday but again, this is probably what you could consider the second wave of substantial air strikes against isis targets there in syria. >> can i ask you, i know this is a fluid situation and details are just coming in, but do we have any sense where the air strikes were? >> if we knew, we couldn't tell you. it's that sensitive. because this is a current, ongoing operation. >> thanks for the update. we will be following that story as it develops. brian let's go to syria and talk
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about these air strikes, the sheer number, the force of them, there is still the concern that the more we bomb one group, it creates other unlikely coalitions in other parts of the country. we were talking with congressmen shif earlier about whether we are pushing al-nusra strongly into the arms of isis. how worry some is that. >> it's a dynamic situation. for every action we take there will be a reaction from multiple forces. obama has regional, international, and iraq many syria. >> we don't have to this date, any clear metrics of what success looks like. >> or what failure looks like. >> yeah.
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>> there's no either or there. >> where as in iraq there's conception. if you look at the strikes, there has been explanation, we're stopping the damn or preventing an onslaught on the kurds. we don't see articulation yet, beyond hitting bad guys, which is an important goal, but for there to be a broader strategy from a transition from assad, it's very complicated you have 1500 groups a posed to the assad regime and some are crazy jihad groups and then move from one day to the next. >> to assad, this was pointed out earlier, the president did not talk a lot about bashar assad in his speech today,
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perhaps given very reasonably given our weird and uncomfortable bed sharing that is happening right now. let me go to you brian, in terms of how that is negotiated, how does it not end with some sort of symbiotic relationship with a man the president wanted to see ousted just a year ago. >> i think the administration talked about deconflicting any -- sort of -- we don't want to bum into the syrian regime. that's how they describe it. but if you talk to those who oppose both assad and isis, some of them actually protested air strikes, they said we don't want this because you're not hitting assad. >> right. >> so i think back to your point, i think it is in this uncomfortable situation. i don't see this administration over looking the stacks of bodies that assad has stacked up over the last couple years,
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hundreds of thousands, it's hard for us to work with a partner like that. what these opposition forces are saying is you're creating a space that the assad regime may fill in. like the strikes against the khorasan group, it's a big problem in terms of not having a clear overall strategy. >> from an airspace issue, we know there's a lot of nuance diplo speak about worhether or t bashar al assad a greed to the american air strikes. again, we have breaking news there's a second wave of air strikes in syria. very little information on that. how feasible is it he wouldn't have said okay go ahead and do this. >> they were very careful. they didn't ask permission, they notified. the syrian integrated air system is not integrates nor is it a defense system at this point.
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it is just a punch of missiles. the rest of the country is a flee fly zone. we don't need them. the administration will not turn to bashar al assad in anyway shape or form. the challenge is how do you hit isis, in a hard way, but still simultaneously very quickly, make sure that that vacuum is taken up by the moderates you want to grow and not assad. and that's a very difficult dance. this will still be going on in two weeks. >> it's true. i was actually thinking that, again breaking news from the department of defense that there has been a second round of air strikes in syria, very little information about where they may have occurred. we will follow that story as we get information. we are still waiting the remarks from french president francois hollande about the beheading of a toure'ist in algeria, that's live just ahead.
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news, a new round of air strikes in syria by the united states and arab coalition members. let's get more details on that. what's the latest? >> well, all we can really say is that this appears to be a follow on to the opening salvo of substantial air strike that's were launched against isis targets on monday night. because this is an ongoing operation, u.s. military and arab allied aircraft are actually launching air strikes as we speak against isis targets there inside syria. we don't know the location, the specific kinds of targets. again, this is believed to be a somewhat more substantial air strike than just a simple, take out a humvee here, a truck there. so not on the level it was monday night. but again, as we understand it,
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continuation of those substantial air strikes that occurred on monday night. >> nbc's jim nick, thanks again for the info. also joining me by phone. colonel, let me ask from a military perspective, we have been told this campaign is likely to have quite a while, weeks if not months. would one expect the investigatverocity to stay the same throughout that period zwl when you first launch the strikes will you have follow on targets and you will also have a tertiary list. so the strikes in the second round is higher. here's why. when you attack the first target list, you're undoubtedly uncover new targets as the people you
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are bombing, the trucks and so on, they move out, and they go to various areas which you can see using drones and using satellites. so that's the second round of targets. in addition you have secondary target list that you hit. and on top of that, you have targets that get uncovered as a result of the enemy's moving its troops around. so you wind up frequently having more targets the second time around and as a result you usually require a much larger number of platforms, ships to fire cruise missiles and aircraft to fire air launch cruise missiles and also both smart bombs and dumb bombs. so frequently the second time around will be much more
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violent. >> hang on the phone and i want to ask michael, in terms of the strikes themselves, as colonel jack was just saying, the second round could be even more ferocious than the first round. there's a lot of discussion over whether the president showed his hand a bit in talking about isis and should have just struck them earlier, if such a thing was even possible, are you confident in terms of in syria that we have the necessary intelligence given how rapidly we seem to have gotten involved there. >> i think it is probably still ramping up. we have enough to go after the main control centers, and we know other priority targets, beyond the first week it will take a continued really intensive intelligence effort. remember we started surveillance flights over a month ago, but on the ground intelligence from either our friends in the free syrian army or other forces, it
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will take time to get intelligence for long term strikes. >> so far we are at second wave of air strikes, likely many more, and they have been precision strikes, it sounds like if we listen to what the dod, i wonder what you think how this conflict will change if there is a sur mounting death toll. >> i think they will do everything they can to avoid civilian death, i think we need human intelligence on the ground where the big gap is, where we need to ramp this up. wha what's going on in syria right now is a lot like what happened in yemen in 2010. there was serious threats and
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action was taken to make americans safer. you look at yemen today or pakistan today in and of itself is not a sustainable security situation. i worry about absent a broader framework and strat engiegy. this is in the heart of the middle east with turkey and israel right there. having a strategy for syria is so essential at this point especially as they have moved forward with these strikes. >> we only have a couple moments left, the white house clearly thinks this is a continuation of president bush's wars, do you think is? >> i think they think it is anything but a continuation. >> in terms of military operation. >> that's right. i think legally, yes. policy, they want to do it very, very differently. do i think it is a continuation,
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yes, with the add complication of the arab awakening, and the sunni attentions in the region which really weren't dominant in the period after 9/11 but since 2011 really have been. >> these are dark and difficult days, thank you all for joining me. that is all for now. i will see you tomorrow at 4:00 eastern. "the ed show" is coming up next. good evening americans, and welcome to "the ed show" live from detroit lakes, minnesota. let's get to work. >> can be no reasoning with this brand of evil. >> it's confirmed two air strikes hit overnight against isis targets. >> if we're going to engage in mission we got to do it right or not do it. >> you want something you work