network of death. just hours after president obama makes his case at the u.n. and secures support for cutting off isis, oil refineries in syria were the target of the latest air strikes. and david cameron calls his colleagues back to work for a vote on joining the fight. an arrest made over 1,000 miles away in the search for missing college student hannah graham. we'll get the very latest on the ground in both virginia and texas. and also happening this hour, sarah palin, about to stump in kansas. as embattled senator pat roberts brings in a string of high-profile headliners to try to save his seat. a very good morning from washington. i'm kristen welker. this is "the daily rundown." we start this morning with the u.s. taking aim at one of the lifelines of islamic militants, oil. overnight, the u.s. military, along with arab partners, hit a dozen isis-controlled oil

refineries in eastern syria. these refineries are relatively small and can be moved around but they can produce 500 barrels of oil a day. these strikings are a big deal. because isis can make up to $2 million a day from black market oil. but there's another potentially big development taking place just over the border from syria in turkey. nbc's chief foreign correspondent richard engel has more. >> on the other side of this border is the town of hobani. this town has been surrounded by isis, under attack by isis militants. these men don't think the u.s. air strikes will be enough to liberate their town, to take it back. they decided to go in and try to do it themselves. for weeks, a major problem with the u.s. strategy, one that even administration officials acknowledge, is that air strikes alone aren't going to be enough. that there need to be reliable ground forces who are motivated. these men certainly are motivated. they want to go in. they don't think air strikes

will be enough at all. that's why they want to take the fight to isis and liberate their own country. kristen. >> all right, richard, thank you for that report. back here at home, president obama will be speaking about a half hour from now. we will bring that to you a little later. it follows a big day on wednesday. president obama chaired a security council meeting and got a unanimous vote on a resolution to cut off the flow to isis fighters. and secretary of state kerry announced that the u.s. would put up $40 million to help syrian rebels. but the headliner was the president's address to the general assembly. an international call to arms particularly for the arab world. take a listen. >> ultimately, the task of rejecting sectarianism and rejecting extremism is a generalal task. and a task for the people of the middle east themselves. no external power can bring about a transformation of hearts and minds. >> and turkey is now indicating it may be willing to join the

fight. the country had been holding back because isis was holding turkish hostages, but they've been released. and bring could jump in before the week is over. prime minister david cameron is recalling parliament to take a vote tomorrow on joining air strikes in the region. that vote is expected to pass. so far, france is just using its air power to hit iraq, not syria. but it's paying a heavy price. on wednesday, we got word a french hostage had been executed by an isis copycat group in algeria, reportedly in retaliation for those french air strikes. the ambassador susan power said the global community cannot back down. >> the threats of today are totally meant for this institution, insofar as no one country can deal with them alone. but the countries that comprise this institution have to step up. >> joining me now, nbc's chief pentagon correspondent jim miklaszewski and amman mohadin,

live in new york. i want to start with these latest round of air strikes. how successful does the pentagon think those air strikes were? also, talk about the significance of the targets. those oil refineries. >> well, yesterday's air strikes were significant and, in fact, successful in taking out only 12. we have to stress, only 12 of these what are portable refinerieses that can be easily assem buys and moved about. but this was an important step in trying to cut off the bloodline for isis. and that's money. they make somewhere between $1 million to $2 million a day on black market oil sales. so this would at least take a chunk out of that -- out of those profits. i'd like to go back to what richard was talking about. the fact that air strike, alone cannot defeat isis. even officials here say the idea that it will take ground troops and the idea that you're going to spend $500 million to equip and train the free syrian army,

general dempsey, the chairman of the joint chiefs, says that will take at least a year. others think longer. once the weapons are turned over, there's no guarantee, whatsoever, that they will remain in the hands of the allies, the free syrian army. so this is -- and there's no chance that iraqi or peshmerga forces are going to take the fight into syria, at least as of now. even though more than 200 air strikes have been conducted, more than 30 in syria alone, officials here are saying this entire campaign will still take years. >> fascinating. i want you to pick up on that point that mik makes, which is how complicated it is going to be to get ground troops to actually engage in this fight. president obama trying to rally the arab nations to send in ground troops. we saw them join in air strikes. as mik pointed out, getting

forces on the ground is going to be a lot more complicated. >> extremely complicated. one, an unwillingness of arab countries to participate in what may be per sieveld as an invasin of syria. two, a lack of willingness from the arab countries to put their own troops in a kind of proxy war that doesn't just involve syrians per se but now involves other regional countries including fighters from hezbollah in southern lebanon, supporters from the iranian military backing the assad regime. so they don't want in this complicated situation. what would be the ideal situation, some have been making the argument about, to really strengthen the moderate opposition, the free syrian army and others. but that is going to lead to more blood shed between the moderate opposition and the syrian regime. it is a very complicated situation on the ground that no side necessarily wants to take the lead in being the first to agree to committing boots on the

ground as they say. >> and, amman, what about those syrian refugees we saw in richard engel's reporting? could they have an impact? >> well, you know, the syrian population, the civilian population, is obviously paying the price of this conflict in so many different dimensions. they have been fighting on the ground to try and regain territory that they have lost, particularly the moderate rebels or the rebels that have in the past been fighting the assad regime, to isis and other al qaeda-linked groups. on the turkish side of the border, going back to try to reclaim some of their communities, that's going to be exceptionally hard. this isn't an issue about numbers per se. it's an issue about eye deol and equipment. they simply don't have the equipment or the training. these may be just ordinary people here and there who want to go back to defend their communities but they simply won't be a match for isis. keep in mind, we talk about isis being well equipped and having arms, but, really, it's the fear that they bring.

that's the hard component to fight against. >> and, mik, you want to jump in here. let's have you have the final word. >> amman raised an excellent point. even if you arm or train the opposition, the free syrian army, they are not going to be in a fight. not only with isis alone, but with the syrians. and then what position does the u.s. military take? do they defend the free syrian army forces from the air against isis? and the syrian military? well, that, in fact, would draw them into a direct war with syria. so that's how complicated this could become. >> thank you so much for joining us this morning. and joining me now, oklahoma republican congressman tom cole, deputy majority whip in the house. congressman, thank you for joining me. i want to start by getting your reaction to president obama's speech yesterday at the u.n. and also the significance of that u.n. resolution.

it was really a call for the international community to join in this fight. >> well, i appreciate very much what the president had to say in terms of being very clear in his description of who and what isil is. and why, frankly, we're going to have to engage them. i appreciate the vote. look, of course, it's easy to vote. you want to see that followed up with action and commitment of real forces. but unanimity in the international community about an organization like isil can only be helpful. again, i think those were two good things yesterday. appreciate the president acting forcefully. >> you bring up the issue of a vote. you have said that you want to see congress vote on expanding air strikes into syria. given this new information that we have about this group, khorasan, apparently planning an attack, an imminent attack, does that change your calculation? do you still think that congress needs to come back and vote on this, congressman? >> i absolutely favor a vote.

look, i think when you go to war, you vote on war. and we managed to delay that. i appreciate the fact that we did have a vote on the training of the free syrian army. but that resolution -- or amendment specifically stated that it was not an authorization for war inside syria. we're obviously engaged in war inside syria. so seems to me the appropriate thing for congress to do is to vote on it. >> would you come back from recess? willing to come back from your recess to vote? where's the urgency in washington? david cameron is recalling the british parliament and yet you all are on recess now. >> i certainly would go back. i made that, you know, position abundantly clear when i spoke in the house last week in session. i thought we should be doing a full authorization. i continue to believe we should. i've been more than happy to go back and do it. i think the president should call us back. the president submits a request.

so far, the administration said we welcome congressional support. actually hasn't been willing to ask for it. has done little to seek it. the president himself would have preferred not having a separate vote on syria. the administration request was to just fund this as part of the continuing resolution. so i appreciate the fact that speaker boehner didn't do that in the house. in the senate, though, they actually did. they didn't vote on anything at all other than just running the government. i think coming back, making a clear statement and authorizing it. those are all good things. i've signed the letter with my friend, jim mcgovern, from massachusetts. we don't agree on a lot of things but on this we do. it's a bipartisan measure. >> before i let you go, i want to get your thoughts on this international coalition coming together. five arab nations joining the united states and air strikes in syria. the president has said that ground troops are going to be needed from regional forces.

he also wants turkey to get on board. what is your level of expectation that those two things are going to come together, that we're going to see the air strike campaign broaden and that the president's going to get those ground troops he wants from arab countries? >> i think it's going to take a while. we're moving in the right direction. we're not going to commit major combat units. but you want the ability to use special operators on selective strikes and those sorts of things or artillery spotters or air spotters a little closer to the action. but -- >> to be clear, congressman, you mean u.s. ground troops. you're saying the president should leave the door open for -- >> that doesn't mean you start ruling out options and telling the other side what you will and you won't do. but i do appreciate the fact the president has gotten arab participation. i think turkey now -- those diplomats are free. right on the border with eisil.

they've got tens of thousands of refugees coming into their country. they've got an interest in the area. they actually have the most formidable islamic military in the region. and, again, they've been historically a good friend and ally of the united states so they should be involved. >> thank you, congressman cole, we appreciate your time. i want to bring in new york co democratic congressman eric meek, member of the foreign affairs committee. thank you for being here. i want to just get your reaction to what we just heard from congressman cole. he says that he would be willing to come back from recess to vote on expanding air strikes in syria. do you agree? should congress vote on this? should you all come back from recess? >> absolutely. i'll come back and vote. i think we should vote, giving the president further authorization. in fact, i ask secretary kerry, when he came before, the foreign affairs committee, at a hearing last week, whether or not the administration would want that.

he said absolutely. so if the speaker calls us back, i look forward to coming back to vote on further authorization from the president. >> at the same time, i think a lot of americans are scratching their heads. and yet congress is on recess. so where are the voices in congress pushing the speaker to call you all back? doesn't seem like there's a real sense of urgency. >> i think what has happened is when we were breaking, we thought we'd be back for another week, at least i did, before the speaker announced the schedule and said we would not be back. in fact, if you would look at various statements that came from the democratic leader, nancy pelosi, she was saying that we should not have left in the first place. and so it's the prerogative of those who are in the majority to to that. so the speaker had decided we

should not go back it it. it's been democrats and nancy pelosi said all along we should not have left. we had a vote as far as the financing of the syrian rebels in regards to equipping them and training them, which we think is important. >> congressman, let me get your thought on one more point that your colleague brought up. this issue of ground forces. congressman cole says the president shouldn't be ruling out putting u.s. combat forces on the ground. of course, if you look at the polls, americans don't want to see that. but strastrategically, do you t the president should leave that option open? where do you weigh in. >> i think the president says what he means. he said no american ground troops. because this is not a war with the united states against the muslims or the sunnis or on the ground. it is the region. and we're doing our part. and the president's been very clear about that.

and so those from -- like the five working with us with air strikes now. the syrian army that will be trained. and it takes time to train them. that's why it's important to do the air strikes now. where we look to do the training and giving them the equipment that's necessary so they can be on the ground. those are the ones that are involved. those are the ones that are also fighting on the ground for those free dopes and their protections. >> congressman, thank you for your perspective this morning. >> my pleasure. >> and we want to shift now and take a live look at a campaign breakfast in independence, kansas, where vulnerable incumbent senator pat roberts has sarah palin. you see her right there. the latest on the unexpected race and the spotlight for control. we will have a deep dive for that coming up. before a quick break, a look at today's planner. the pentagon briefing will be earlier at 10:30 a.m. eastern. and at 11:00 a.m., president obama speaks on the ebola

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and now to some big news in the search for missing uva student hannah graham after a nationwide man hunt last night. announce their suspect in the case, 32-year-old jesse matthew, was arrested 1,300 miles away in fall ves stone, texas. just within the last hour, matthew appeared in court via closed circuit television for the very first time. police charged matthew in connection with graham's disappearance earlier this week and has been searching for them since he went missing last saturday. police say matthew was the last person seen with the 18-year-old student. but nearly two week after her disappearance, the question remains, where is hannah graham. nbc's gabe gutierrez. you were there when matthew was in court. tell us what happened.

bring us up to date. >> within the past hour, matthew went before the judge. he appeared via a video conference. he was charged with failing to identify himself with a fugitive and providing false information to police. he was read his rights. seemed what he said was really incomprehensible. he seemed confused when the judge was explaining the process with all this. now, he, again, federal -- law enforcement officials planned to come here to texas pood. they're expected here today to question him. here's what police are saying about how this went down yesterday. they got a call about a suspicion person. and when the sheriff's deputy arrived, he saw a man who had pitched a tent on the beach. and that person was matthew. because the deputy saw his license plate, ran the plates and saw that that car had been tied to the disappearance of hannah graham.

and that's when matthew was taken into custody here in texas. kristen, back to you. >> just stunning details, gabe, thank you. i want to turn to you, you have been on the case since the very beginning. it is heartbreaking, this situation. police have an arrest. the goal is to find hannah graham. are they any closer to figuring out where she is? >> that's the quote eveestion everyone'sing about a ing aboub charlottesville. i asked the police chief that question last night. he said he did not know. that would certainly be the first order of business, when investigators made their way to texas this morning. i'm told they are en route. meanwhile, the search continues. it has been 13 days now since that second year uva student went missing. investigators say that virtually every square inch of

charlottesville, has been searched, so they are now extending their search area outwards. we're told police are asking people who live in the outlying areas, especially folks who have large parcels of land to investigate their property. >> it is just so tragic. thank you so much. the search does continue. gabe and craig. great reporting. we really appreciate it. turning now to the very latest on that manle le imanhunt. in pennsylvania, police say they found more evidence that proves eric frein has been hiding in the dense woods in the northeast part of the state, including soiled diapers and cigarettes. state police lieutenant colonel george bivens said wednesday that officers have spotted frein from a distance and local residents have heard gunfire and reported seeing a figure dressed in black. but, as police pursued him after these sightings, the rough

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we have some developing news out of london. at least nine people have been arrested, including a radical preacher, as part of an ongoing investigation into islamic terrorism. the men, all between the ages of 22 and 51, are accused of supporting an extremist group that had been banned in the uk four years ago. police say the men did not present an immediate threat to the public. well, back here in the u.s., president obama is wrapping up his three-day visit to the united nations. we expect to hear from the president any moment now. he's holding a bilateral meeting with the prime minister of ethiopia. later this morning, he'll speak at a special u.n. meeting hosted

by general ban ki-moon. this is a day after the president called for an international coalition to dismantle a, quote, network of death. the administration is still grappling with how to avoid being linked in a silent partnership with syrian president bashar al assad. >> when you warned your counterpart at the united nations from syria these air strikes were about to happen, did he express approval or did he expresso outrage? >> them said we want to coordinate. our point back is you're committing terror against your own people. >> and the arab world is reacting to the president's explicit call for muslim countries to step up and fight extremism. >> it is time for the world, especially muslim communities, to explicitly forcefully and

consistently reject the ideology of organizations like al qaeda and isil. >> on "morning joe" this morning, uae's ambassador to the united states confirmed his kingdom's military action was led by a 35-year-old fighter pilot, mariam al musari. >> boils down to ultimately this. do you want a model or a society that allows women to become ministers in government, female fighter pilots, business executives, artists? or do you want a society where if a woman doesn't cover up in public, she's beaten or she's lashed or she's raped? i think moderate arab countries need to step up and say more and do more it i'. i've heard a lot of comments. one of them is there's no such thing as moderate islam, moderate muslims. you know what, you're looking at it. >> joining me now to discuss all of this, gail lemon, senior fellow for women and foreign policy at the council for

foreign really lations. al arabiya washington bureau chief. and the editor at large for the kw t "the atlantic." thanks for being here. i want to start with you, you write this in politico, you say, quote, the islamic state, like al qaeda, is the tomb russ creation of an ailing arab body politic. its roots run deep in the badlands of a tormented arab world that seems to be slouching aimlessly through the darkness. talk about what you meant by that. >> what we have today is the result of an accumulation of repression, of looking backward, and it took us decades to reach. it will take us decades to get out of it. therefore, defeating isis is foot going to be done only through military means. this is going to require the arabs and muslims to undergo some sort of cultural revolution. to look critically at themselves. to engage in introspection.

most people are advance to self-criticism. we have a big problem in the arab world. after the defeat, we're seeing a great deal of introspection and self-criticism. we've not seen anything since the rise of al qaeda and since the autocratic regime turned the arab world into a searched earth and then the islamists grew out of this incredible mess. and now we are squeezed between the autocratic military men and the dark forces represented by these radical islamists. their roots going back to 1928, to the muslim brotherhood in egypt. >> gail, pick up on that point. talking about a political resolution to this. he underscores how long that process is going to take. how does the united states play a role in that particularly when we have just launched air strikes? >> it is a stunning turn of events, because the president, who was elected to end wars, now leads one, with no end in sight.

i think that is what we're going to see come up over and over again. as we discussed, what is the end game here. there really is none at this present time. because the question is, exactly who the boots on the ground are going to be. about a month ago, we saw people who had really pushed for syrian moderates to be armed. really finding no audience or, you know, very little in terms of traction. and now, just one month later, this whole idea that it was a fantasy to arm these farmers and fapharmacists has now turned in a fact. it's now turned into hurry up and train as we seek to get the moderate or fsa fighters armed and trained and up and running. >> steve, pick up there. you were at the u.n. the president's speech significant for what he said but also for what he did not say. he really didn't mention assad. united states said they alerted ato the fact they were launching

air strikes but they're not coordinating with him in any way. at the same time, don't these air strikes help assad? >> i think if you look at it in a binary way, you could say it helps him for a moment. in the broader issue, what i appreciate about the president's speech is it captured, you know, perhaps not the darkness of what he wrote in his great politico piece the other day but it captured to some degree the complexity and nuance of very unresolved religious and cultural divisions in that land that can't immediately be solveled by air strikes hitting one group. what the president is saying is we have to stand against isis, but we also need deal making across the region. we need to see leaderships in both the sunni and shia community begin to come in and look at how they engage in a constructive discussion about what kind of future they will have. i think that is something assad, whether he survives or not, is actually a smaller issue in the long run.

what the president spoke to is a much larger order of stake holding by that community. >> we're in a very different time than a year ago at the u.n., when president obama talked about the fact we were ending the wars in iraq, afghanistan. now this is the seventh arab nation that we will have launched air strikes against in some capacity. do you get the sense the president's changing his policy or is he still reluctantly going into this? >> he's very reluctant. he's very reluctant. because he wants to position the united states and american workers and their families as beneficiaries of trillions of dollars to be made in asia, not trillions of dollars to be lost in the middle east. and so when you see this drama unfolding and how we're drawn back. when you read his piece, it basically says we have hundreds of years of unresolved tensions that aren't going to be instantly solved by tipping

point bombing campaigns. and it almost sort of says, hey, give us a call in 400 years when you resolve it. i think that's where the president is. he's taking actions he doesn't want to take. >> is steve right, reluctant? >> he still is the reluctant warriors. i think he understands the complexities of the region. unfortunately, if you talk about military action, there's only one country that can lead, it's the lead. there's a dearth of leadership in the arab world. that's why american leadership is extremely important. egypt has been marginalized. iraq is in a state of war. syria is disintegrating. that is leaving small countries like uae and qatar stepping up and playing the role. these are city states and they're playing the role because of that dearth of leadership, the vacuum in the arab world. i'm glad the president is challenging the arabs and muslims to own their own problem but there has to be leadership and i think the president cannot ignore this. we're engaged in a battle in the

war. if we leave them at least, if the united states leads them. it's close to southern europe. it's not the landlocked country like afghanistan. so i think barack obama has no choice but to fight this battle reluctantly. >> gail, i want to bring you back in and shirt gears a little bit. we are learning of course there was a woman who was leading those air strikes. we just heard that from the ambassador, from the uae. what do you make of that? what role are women playing in this? when we are also getting video showing women who are joined isis, also helping on that side? >> we see women on all sides of this conflict. and secretary kerry actually met with female syrian civil society leaders yesterday in new york. and the question, really, is where do we think this all ends. women have been fighting -- i guess now we see on all sides of this. for a more peaceful future on

the civil society side. and they have really been against the assad regime from the start. we had the he lebanese educatio minister in new york talking about the overwhelming number of syrian refugees. more than half of them are women and children. he was talking about girls being sold on the streets to syrian fighters and saying the world needs to pay attention. the world is finding money to pay for bombing campaigns but not to pay for educating children. i think we are going to see the consequences of an undereducated refugee generation if the world does not step up and help to keep children in schools and help to do the best it can to feed the children who are facing, you know, an extreme refugee crisis. the isis fight in some ways is detracting from the horrors of barrel bombings that have been falling from helicopters and

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she has been tracking it all. heard her say he is a conservative. but given how unpopular congress is right now, i mean, could this strategy backfire? >> it is potentially a little bit tricky, kristin. sarah palin also praised roberts for standing with senator cruz in the face of the government shutdown. that was a really different message from what we heard when bob dole campaigned with roberts earlier this week in western kansas. he said that actually threw the virginia governor's race, caused all kinds problems for republicans. at this stage, roberts doesn't have options. this independent challenge came very late in the game. they've been slow to ramp up what would have been a traditional campaign that should have started a month ago. so that's really the options left to him, to try to raise the alarm. has to convince republicans they need to come out and vote for him. otherwise, he could be caught with just greg orman on the air waves talking about how he's an

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