public has fully bought in, but it also affects what future presidents will consider their power to go to war without congress and that's very disturbing. >> congressman adam schiff from california, thank you very much for joining us tonight. >> the alliance grows. let's play "hardball." good evening, i'm chris matthews in philadelphia. talk about a game change, here are photos of the saudi arabian pilots, including the son of the crown prince of the saudi royal family who took part this week in air strikes against isis in syria. and here are the pictures of the 15 saudis who participated in the attacks on the world trade center and the pentagon back on 9/11. and yesterday's strikes on the

isis controlled oil refineries, 16 fighter jets engaged in the attacks, six were united states, ten were united arab emirates and saudi arabia. one of the emirates pilots, the leader of her country's mission was mariam al mansouri. tonight we look at the recruitment of this arab posse. and also the noise from the figure most consistently wrong about the situation in iraq, former vice president dick cheney who spent months telling our countries untruths about iraq's weapons, and more months banishing sunnis from the iraqi government, pushing unknown numbers of foreign iraqi military leaders into the ranks of the terrorist group itself. plus, today's announcement by speaker john boehner that this congress won't even vote on the war in iraq, even in the lame duck. and even after the election this year. plus the news that most americans are totally in the dark on the outlandish sums

corporate ceos are taking home these days. former ambassador to the u.n. and former ambassador to saudi arabia. governor richardson, what do you make ever the fact that the saudis are making such an effort to let the world know that even the crown prince is in the cockpit in this attack on isis? >> well, this is very encouraging. it's a message to the arab world and the saudis are almost with the egyptians the leaders of the arab world, they finance and provide resources to everybody, that they're in deeply with the united states on this isis effort. that they're willing to risk a member of the royal family as a pilot. you recall prince bandar the same way he was former ambassador to the united states. he was always deeply involved and symbolically, when you put the royal family in there, it sends a very strong message. i think what's also encouraging, the united arab emirates are

involved, qatar is involved. especially since the arab emirates and qatar and the saudis have had some tension with each other. that's good we have a unified gulf league effort. >> ambassador jordan, it seems to me quite a distinction to look at the pictures of the pilot there, the crown prince in the cockpit as part of that bombing mission this week and compared to the 15 thugs who were on the airline back on 9/11. >> it is a contrast, and i think it's important to make this contrast. those 15 hijackers were not representative of saudi arabia. the son, the crown prince in the cockpit is much more representative of what the government and the royal family are trying to accomplish. they've spent really a decade now trying to live down the fact that there were 15 saudi hijackers making those attacks, and i think they're making good now on the efforts that we've encouraged them to undertaken, and they have undertaken on their own. >> this morning the uae's ambassador to washington

explained why it was important for the world to see arab pilots involved in this mission against isis. >> as i watched the debate over the last few weeks over what arab states are going to step in, i think it's important for us moderate arabs and muslims to step up and say, this is a threat against us. this is more of a threat against us than it is against you. this is not just a threat to our countries, this is a threat to our way of life. >> there's new evidence of how barbaric isis can be. a prominent female iraqi human rights lawyer and campaigner was killed by a masked firing squad in a public square in the city of mosul. she was tortured before her death on monday, the u.n. said. she was detained after posting messages on facebook describing isis's destruction of mosques and shrines by isis as barbaric. one iraqi town under isis control, an eyewitness reported seeing an execution of a man and a woman convicted of adultery.

they were led out in front of a crowd of 200 residents who stood by as eight fighters carried out the execution. they just stones smaller than a baseball to prolong the couple's death. a witness said the couple screamed in agony for 15 minutes. one rep told nbc severed heads on fences and people who are crucified have become normal sights as isis terrorizes the people. mr. ambassador, explain if you can, in the tradition of arabia and islam, what this is all about, this public display of barbarism? >> this has been a tradition in the arab world that we've seen for several hundred years, if not thousands. it's something that the saudis at least when i was ambassador, were getting away from. they still conduct beheadings in public, which i find hard to handle. but overall, i think we're

seeing some progress among the saudis and certainly the emirates have not embraced this kind of activity in many years. but it does show you the brutality of the isis wing, if you will, of islam. it is being condemned now by the grand musty in saudi arabia, by all of the establishment religious leaders. >> is it aimed at us, is it aimed at americans, or is it aimed at fellow muslims? to get us into the war? i can't tell. what are they aiming these public executions and stonings and simulated, i think in some cases, crucifixions of people who are already dead, what's it all about? >> we've seen this among the taliban in the past as well. i think it's intended to draw the west, especially america, into a more involved process militarily in the region, but i also think it's intended to show they're a powerful force that is to be contended with, which,

overall, i think, is aimed at recruiting more and more volunteers to come into barbaric assembly. >> yesterday president obama called on the war to join the war against isis. evidence his call was heard. the french say the question is on the table. david cameron went further, saying, he supported his country joining in air strikes in iraq. >> we have a need to act in our own national interest to protect our people and our society. so it is right that britain should now move to a new phase of action. i am, therefore, recalling the british parliament on friday to secure approval for the united kingdom to take part in international air strikes against isil in iraq. >> governor richardson, you were at the u.n., you know how difficult it is to get people

together, to herd cats, as it's said. how do you think john kerry secretary of state has been able to pull together these arab leaders and new european leaders to join us in the bombing campaign against isis in syria especially? >> i think secretary kerry has had a good strategy. first, you get the arab countries to show that this say muslim-arab effort, and the next step, we want the arabs to do ground troops. then you get the europeans. we need the permanent five of the security council. britain, france, the united states, we're not going to get russia and china, but you get the principle movers in the security council. plus, i think you need the french and the british. their air power is very strong. we can't do it alone. we'll take the lead, but at the same time, i think both the british and the french have been aided here by what's backfired with isis, in other words the beheading of their citizens. the beheading of that frenchman

has prompted the french public to realize that it maybe makes sense for some payback. and that's encouraging. i think the next step, chris, is some of the sunni countries that have stayed on the sideline, that haven't really helped. i mean, look, what we want them to do is put troops on the ground, militarily, not just food and humanitarian assistance and blankets. that is important, but it has to be a real wholesome coordinated effort, but it's really an arab-muslim issue. isis is mainly a threat to them. they're a threat to us too, but it's mainly a regional issue and arabs should lead. >> let me ask you the final question. what do you make of this iraqi, the new prime minister of iraq's claim, i think it's no more than a claim, that he's uncovered a plots to blow up subways in new york and paris? >> well, i think in the arab world, you hear of conspiracies every day.

he's probably hearing of this from some people who may have limited access. they may have been imagining this, or misunderstood what they heard on a communication intercept or through other means. i am suspicious of the claim. i think he's trying to show that he's on board with a mutual effort to defeat isis and to provide warning, to western interests that may be threatened. but he's also pretty new at his job. he probably doesn't have sufficient skepticism as we all should have, from uncorroborated intelligence reports. >> of course it would encourage us to do more bombings of his enemies. anyway, it's not been confirmed. thank you both for joining us. coming up, dick cheney can't resist his chance to attack the president personally at this time of international crisis. he was at it again last night.

>> i think it's deliberate. i think he has a world view, and what he's found increasingly is that it's not consistent with reality. >> strong words from a man whose own reality, as he believes it was, led to the disaster of the iraq war. then we have the "hardball" round table. we'll discuss john boehner's declaration that the current congress will not even vote on the war against isis. he suggested that sometime early next year perhaps. anyway, shouldn't congress vote in 2014 on a 2014 war? plus, do you know how much more a typical ceo makes than an average worker? try 350 times more. no other country in the world has a larger pay gap. and a new study shows most americans have no earthly idea what's happening. let me finish with why dick cheney, who got us into this mess in iraq should stop criticizing and start, how about confessing, for once. this is "hardball," the place for politics.

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welcome back to "hardball." if anyone should be disqualified as a foreign policy expert, especially on iraq, it should be former vice president dick cheney. from his bogus claims that saddam hussein had weapons of mass destruction, to his claims about aluminum tubes being used to make nukes, to his prediction that the iraq war would be over in weeks, rather than months. here's a record of his record of

untruth. >> he's been seeking to acquire and we have been able to prevent him from acquiring the kinds of tubes that are necessary to build a centrifuge. >> simply stated, there's no doubt that saddam hussein has weapons of mass destruction, there is no doubt he's amassing them to use against our friends, against our allies, and against us. regime change in iraq would bring about a number of benefits to the region. when the gravest of threats are eliminated, the freedom-loving peoples of the region will have a chance to promote the values that can bring lasting peace. >> do you think the american people are prepared for a long, costly, and bloody battle with significant american casualties? >> i don't think it's likely to unfold that way, tim, because i believe we'll be viewed as liberators. >> do you think it will be a long war or a short war? >> my own judgment based on my time as secretary of defense and

having operated in this area in the past, i'm confident our troops will be successful and i think it will go relatively quickly. >> weeks? months? >> weeks rather than months. >> so why does anyone listen to someone who's been wrong for so long, so consistently? >> he clearly lacks the experience and i think also the respect for our senior commanders. these are tremendously capable people. i worked with them as vice president and when i was secretary of defense. the president doesn't have to do everything. he gets to make the decisions, but he clearly ought to listen to the senior military commanders who are responsible on the ground for executing policy and take their advice occasionally. >> and what explains his criticism of the president personally? congressman moran, what do you make of this guy? he pops up like a jack-in-the-box, the very night

the president spoke to the world through the u.n., trying to reach the arab world, and right in the middle of that, he goes in there and tries to screw up the message and create a partisan fight. he's a man who's been wrong consistently on iraq. >> it's shameless and it sends the wrong message to the world. he's deliberately trying to undermine the credibility of our president outside our borders. it's one thing to get involved in domestic politics, but to discredit our president at a time like this is just so wrong. another thing to bear in mind, i'll never forget being in baghdad, trying to get into the green zone, with a number of members of congress who had to fund that iraq war and waiting to be searched and so o we waited for a long time. but a number of scraggly americans would walk up to the front of the line and walk in unhindered. i asked the soldiers, who are

those guys? that's halliburton. they own this place. cheney was one of the owners of halliburton. he was the ceo before he became vice president. the can't imagine the millions of dollars he made off that war and then to have the hutzpah to continue to denigrate our president particularly at the worst possible times in the eyes of the world, it really is shameless. >> why does your party, i'm not knocking other media, but why does your party listening to cheney as an expert when we can show you again and again where his ideology got in the way of his truth-telling, that he wanted it to be true, that saddam hussein had nuclear weapons and the reason they talked about it was to get the europeans into the war. why does he keep being treated like a man who knows? >> i think the former vice

president cheney has long experience and people respect that experience, and he was wrong on iraq, but so was tony blair, so was george tenet, there were a lot of people who were wrong on whether they had weapons of mass destruction. >> no, nuclear weapons. nuclear weapons let's call it what it is. he was pushing the word that we were going to have a mushroom claud if we didn't get the smoking gun. they were it willing that in order to sell this war. then he gets in there, takes apart the sunni regime, so all those generals and soldiers go looking for a new home. they found one. isis. all that came apart because of him. now they won't even take responsibility, he won't even buy that's going on in iraq now when he created today's iraq and you know it. it's his iraq. >> you asked me why republicans listen to him. >> given all that.

>> he has long experience in the recently, secretary of defense in the first persian gulf. i did say there were mistakes made at the beginning of that war and continuing in the war. but i think the vice president has a lot of fans out there in the republican party that silence to him -- >> why? >> because he has that experience. he's also someone who believes strongly -- this is where we disagree, chris. i think the vice president passionately cares about america and is worried about its security and feels that president obama is not making the right decisions. you can disagree with that, but i think the fact that he speaks out shows the diversity and strength of america that we can have this discussion. >> it's a free country. i'm not knocking our freedom. i'm knocking a guy who is being listened to. earlier this month he was meeting with republican lawmakers. harry reid warned his colleagues at that point about listening to the former vice president. >> there are people here in congress who are taking advice

from dick cheney, and i think they better be very careful with the advice they take from dick cheney. dick cheney is more responsible than anyone else for the worst foreign policy decision in the history of the country, the invasion of iraq. >> congressman moran, ted kennedy before he died said the most important decision of his life, was to vote against the iraq war. i think it's on cheney's side, that he has to do the confessing. >> well, yeah, we wouldn't be dealing with isis right now if we had not gone into iraq. you know, we broke it. and i'm not sure how we're going to be able to put it back together again. but cheney and his ilk clearly were responsible for one of the worst decisions that has been made in our lifetime. so probably the worst. and it's never been paid for. and i can't imagine what he says to those 4,500 americans who

lost their lives in such an ill conceived, ill advised war, and not to mention the trillions of dollars we paid, and the additional trillion we'll pay trying to heal them in body and mind, those brave veterans who have returned from a war that they never should have had to fight in the first place. >> and the scary thing, he got away with it. thank you. up n, as frightening as it is, this isn't the first time the fence around the white house has been breached. we'll tell you about the man who took on the secret service in '78. and today we head to kansas for the senate contest out there. sarah palin was there today to campaign for republican senator pat roberts, but she couldn't resist taking a poke at the president. let's listen. >> it's really, really good to be in kansas. or as barack obama would say, flyover country. the primary's over, time to get

it together, and kansas, we're counting on you.

back to "hardball" and time for the side show. late night comediennes are getting a lot of mileage out of friday's security breach at the white house. here's jimmy fallon on the new security measures they're taking at 1600 pennsylvania avenue. >> so the secret service has set up a three-foot fence at the white house, and this is after the announcement that the white house will start locking the door. other safety measures, they're approaching people as they enter the white house and saying, you cool? >> that's a policy now. >> they're also installing a six-inch moat filled with timid gold fish.

>> who wants to get their shoes wet? >> not me. and they're having macaulay culkin in the window with a cardboard cut-out so it looks like someone's always at home. >> pretty good. anyway, the fence jumper incident opened a debate over security at the white house, but the prospect of turning the white house into ft. knox strikes many people as overkill. back in the 1970s, we dug through the archives to find the it security breaches. a maryland man stole an army helicopter and decided to go for a joy ride to washington. when he tried to land on the white house lawn around 2:00 a.m., the secret service opened fire. riddled with bullet holes, the chopper was grounded and the pilot was arrested for unlawful entry. appropriate. on christmas day of that same year, a former taxi driver

claiming to be the messiah crashed his chevy impala through the white house gates. it appeared he was carrying explosives but after four hours of negotiations, the man surrendered and it turns out he was only carrying emergency flares. what may be the most outrageous security breach led to a bizarre stand-off in '78 when a barefoot man wearing a karate uniform climbed over the fence, you're watching it, and was confronted by guards on the white house lawn. armed with a knife inside a bible, he kept the intruders at bay for 15 minutes while onlookers gathered to watch the showdown. they subdued the man, tackled him to the ground and arrested him. so people have tried things like this, but most home the white house can stay security and remain open enough to truly be the people's house. up next, the round table "hardball." we'll talk about the new alliance obama has created, how it was put together.

also cheney's potshots, which are relentless and stupid. and how congress has slunk out of town to avoid a war vote. and congressman boehner says he doesn't even want to vote on it this year. how about stepping up to the plate when it counts, mr. speaker? you're watching "hardball," the place for politics.

welcome back to "hardball." speaker of the house john boehner says the congress should vote on military action in syria, but not only sometime next year, when a new congress comes to washington. boehner told the "new york times" that voting on war in november when congress comes back for the lame duck is the wrong time to do it. he said doing this with a whole new group of members who are on their way out of the door, i don't think that's the right way to handle this. i would suggest that early next year, there will be that discussion and there will be that request from the president. that's what he's saying. some want congress to vote on authorizing president obama's use of force, even the president already has the authority. boehner says it's the president's job to send a proposal to congress before it can vote. >> i do believe it would be in the nation's interest. i believe it's in the institution of the congress's

interest, to speak on this question. now, normally in such a case, i've been through this a few times over the 24 years that i've been here, the president of the united states would request that support and would supply the wording of a resolution to authorize this force. and at this point in time, we've not gotten that request. we've not seen that language. >> but if the congress is such an equal partner as it is, why not write a resolution on your own? >> typically in my time here in congress, that's now how this has happened. that the president would make that request and the president would supply the language for the resolution. >> it's ridiculous, talking about procedure. joining us now, emanuel cleaver, democrat. and clarence page, the opinion writer with the "chicago tribune". let me go to the congressman on

this. it seems to me he's passing the buck back and congress should be asserting its constitutional right to approve a war, your thoughts? >> i think the speaker of the house has the responsibility to protect the institutionality of the united states congress, and that means that we cannot continue to give authority to the president that article 1 section 8, clearly gave to the house of representatives. we have the power to make war. and for the last six decades, we have completely given away authority after authority to the president of the united states and i think it's very dangerous, if not for us, for our progeny. and i think that the speaker of the house needs to take the responsibility and call us back into session. he's the only one who can do that. >> what are they hiding from, clarence? >> well, that's a good question. it's interesting to me how many of the warhawks in congress can

suddenly start -- their wings begin to chill when the time comes to actually cast a vote on an enormous project like this. maybe congressman cleaver can give me some insight into this frankly, because speaker boehner wants to push it off until next year or after the first of the year, with the next congress, which makes you wonder what's it all about. certainly there should be some gesture of legitimacy behind the president on this action, when you have americans so deeply committed, even if we haven't got boots on the ground. >> that's a great question. you got harry reid and mcconnell, mitch mcconnell, whose name i'm trying to forget, they both agree not to vote, congressman. what's that, in bed together, protecting each other? what are they up to?

why don't they vote? >> look, to be sure, a vote on war is something that creates some discomfort. but the only way you find out whether a person is courageous is what they do after they feel scared. and so i think we have to do this and quick thinking about protecting people for vote. look what we're doing. we're saying we're going to send some soldiers into harm's way, pilots, and maybe even people on the ground in harm's way, but the people in congress, who are allowing it to happen, are too afraid to vote. i think there's something wrong with that. >> scarier than getting shot at? joy? >> i think there are different considerations in the house versus the senate. i think if you talk to house members, every democrat wants to vote, wants to go on the floor and be on record, whether for it or against it, republicans don't want to put members in the position of having to affirm

something positively that president obama is doing. they can't go back to their district and say they agree. or if it goes wrong, they want obama holding the bag by himself. on the senate side, you have harry reid trying to protect red state democrats who are in the tight races where they don't want to have to affirm something that president obama did when they're nervous that anything tied to the president will hurt their re-election. this is all about the re-elect. i do agree it's an abdication of the responsibilities of congress. cleaver is here, he wants to vote. i've talked to democrats who want to vote, they're all in the house of representatives. no democrats in the senate have said they want to vote. maybe a couple. but not any up -- >> i'm sorry. i'd like to see this guy dick cheney abdicate. he's been out of office for six, seven years now.

he's still talking like he's been right when he's been wrong on everything. to use the pottery house rule, he broke it, he bought it, it's his iraq, the iraq he wanted. they got rid of the sunni in the country, de-bathicized it, and now he's giving yoda-like information to the republicans. i don't know why they're listening to him. he ain't henry kissinger. i don't know what they're thinking. >> he thinks that if he keeps telling the story about iraq, that eventually it will be true. that there are weapons of mass destruction. and the other thing, i think he just doesn't want to go away. and i think he would do a great deal of service to the united states and to the planet if he would just go away. >> there are a lot of republicans who like dick cheney. >> it's great having you on, by the way. eric holder, i like him. people think he's an honest, good guy, a progressive guy, and he's leaving.

what do you make of this decision to leave and his legacy? >> he told me before the last election that he didn't know whether or not he would be able to go into the second term with the president. i don't think he ever intended to stay for the entire term. he will go down as one of the great attorney generals. he is courageous. the man has stood up to all kinds of things, including becoming the victim of some of the worst kinds of actions of congress in history. to censure a member of the cabinet over foolishness, something that was not even true. and so i think he is a major figure for this era in the history of the united states. >> what were they censuring him for? i forgot. >> it had to do with fast and furious. >> that started under the previous administration. >> exactly. >> that's the point. >> clarence, it started before him. how do they blame him for it? >> they blame him for everything. even, well, his first big controversy was a black history

month speech in which he said americans are cowards about race. he wasn't saying white americans. he was including black folks in that too. but the right pounced on that as one more reason to bash eric holder. he gets bashed by the right and the left. there were a lot of people on the left who wish he was more aggressive in going after wall street bankers after the financial crash in 2008. but he's got that new york sensibility, i guess, where he just keeps on his own path and just doesn't let these other folks get under his skin. but he's not made it a secret that he probably wasn't going to finish out the term. >> we'll be back. up next, american workers have no idea how huge the gap is between them and the rich and how it's grown. the numbers american ceos make, more than 350 times, an average ceo, more than 350 times an average worker's wages. this is "hardball," the place for politics. nineteen years ag,

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we're back. just about everybody know this is country has a problem with income and equality. new data shows americans have an exceptionally difficult time understanding how vast that gap really is. a new harvard business school study reveals the degree to which americans underestimate how much more a corporate ceo makes compared to the average worker. they found that americans

believe that a ceo makes about 30 times more. in actuality, they make more than 350 time that an average wage earner makes. no other country in the world has a larger pay gap, where the salary of an average worker is 35,000 a year. here's emanuel cleaver and joy read. i want to start with you. i did the math. roger goodell with all his troubles, is making more in two weeks than the average worker makes in a lifetime. two weeks, a lifetime. you make your good salary at 25, work until your 65, making an average of 35 k a year, it takes you that lifetime to make what he makes in two weeks. he hasn't been doing a particularly good job. and the average worker doing that kind of job, he wouldn't be a worker.

>> and think about all the ceos who run companies into the ground. get bought out and get golden parachutes, and more millions of dollars just to go away. and the average american who is struggling to get to $10 an hour. you had the president ask states and. ask companies to get people to $10 an hour. it would takes six months for a worker to earn what the average ceo makes in an hour. what was interesting in the study, americans don't even see that. they think there's disparity, but they have no idea the magnitude of it. i think if americans understood the raw number, 340 times, some of them are not quality ceos, i think a lot more people would be outraged on things like minimum wage. >> i hope you're right, but my thing, joy, i think a lot of the american public participates in

their own economic demise, because i think many of them actually vicariously live through rich folk. how many people you ever hear bragging >> they have no idea of the magnitude of it. prefacture england. there, compared to here in the u.s., over there, you know, if you saw a guy going by in a rolls royce, they say you have to do something about that income gap. here, they say i'm going to get me one of those. most people don't get it. but that is the american dream. it's subversive and scary to talk about the income gap that just gets bigger and bigger.

after watching roosevelt's documentary last week and how things have changed. >> why do these compensation committees allow people to make this exponential money. why do you need 45, $50 million? these incredible salary that is you see around. >> they're paid according to needment they're paid what somebody else thinks they're worth. >> why do the stockholders let them do it. >> that's the issue. they keep doing it. >> one of the things that the american companies have done is they've sort of made this crazy bargain between if stockholders, even at the crazy level. people at the 401(k) with a fraction of the stock. maximize the value of the stock. if that means laying off 10,000

workers, that's what companies are going to do. i think we've created enough bargain so that when wall street is doing well, they're doing well. but it doesn't mean that at all. if your stock is up a tenth of a share, you're not getting anything. that ethos, though, sort of that we think the rich are better, they're superior than everyone else, it's part of the reason why the working class will vote for the rich and do it proudly. >> so you're not with romney now? >> it's more than the 7% that were moochers. but it didn't happen in the election. >> congressman, are the people better off not knowing how worse off they are compared to some people? does this keep social calm in the country? imagine somebody making 350

times what they make? >> i think that is the desooimpb. i think with great intentionality, people have helped to structure society so that, you know, people are not getting upset about that because i think clarns is right, i think they're going to eventually be there. but, here, two things quickly. one, people who have a great deal of stock in companies, including ceos, they can buy their own stock. and that creates a larger and larger company with a smaller and smaller portion of the money being shared. the other thing is that many of the ceos are circling eecht other's boards. and they're on the compensation committees. they are, of course, trying to help each other and they've designed a parachute for each of them so when they leave, they're going to be wealthy and their grandchildren and their grandchildren's grandchildren. >> yeah, it's special. >> i'm uncomfortable, utterly,

where congressman's lack of a role in it. i sense the president's discomfort with it. i'm comfortable with the role that you see a little bit of cheer leading and pushing the president. and i feel like he is being goaded toward something he wasn't confidentble doing. i absolutely agree that isis is a wicked and evil organization and you have to deal with it. i am not a hundred percent comfortable with it and i would be more comfortable if there were a debate. it isn't happening and it is extremely embarrassing and frustrating that the congress won't do it. >>. >> speaker boehner wants to purk the vote back. >> he wants to have it after the election.

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>> i rack didn't have nuclear weapons. all of those weapons of mass destruction, was just talk. we learned that fixing iraq would not be easy, quick or possible. that blowing it up had created a whole new faction of angry sunnis who were looking for an alternative past and many, too many, found it in isis. so now the expert is out there presenting himself as the expert on iraq. he accuses president obama of imperfections. has anyone ever -- i mean ever -- heard dick cheney confess to anything? ever speak the truth about dick cheney's record of getting it wrong? especially when it crosses the lives of 155,000 people.

every true iraqi expert will tell you now, thanks for letting it be. that's "hardball." "all in" with chris hayes starts right now. tonight, on "all in," the end of an era. the surprising resignation of the attorney general. as washington gears up for the confirmation fight of a lifetime. and is there an isis plot to hit american subways? plus, disturbing video of a routine traffic stop gone very, very wrong. tonight, a former police officer joins us to break down how this happened.