is. also this hour, chaos and a ground stop at one of the biggest airport rubs in the world. all flights in and out of chicago's o'hare and midway are ground to a halt. it's because of a fire at the faa control center. authorities are saying that it was tensionally set by a contract employee and has no ties to terrorists. more than 700 flights are cancel and this caused a rip effect that is spreading fast. live from chicago's o'hare airport. tell us what's going on right now. >> it's pandemonium here. there more than 1,000 flights canceled in the chicago area. two major airports. chicago, o'hare, and midway. if you want to take a look at one of the satellite maps or the air flight maps, over should go which is normally busy with air traffic this time of day, it's

empty. the skies are quiet and the problem is here on the ground at o'hare, it is absolute pandemonium. people scrambling to get out of town. >> it's incredible images of just how chaotic this is. >> now to the major stories of the day. the assault on isis. breaking news on a fast moving development. take a look at this. live pictures from the pentagon and the white house. we are expecting action at both of these locations you are looking at there. at the pentagon, a rare news conference from the nation's top two military leaders. at the white house, the latest briefing from the press secretary at a tumultuous moment in the campaign. breaking news from the british parliament. they just this past hour voted

to aid the u.s. in iraq. david cameron recalled the parliament for that vote and made the case for joining the coalition as a matter of national safety for the british. >> i believe mr. speaker, it is also our duty to take part. this international operation is about protecting our people too. protecting the streets of britain should not be a task that we are prepared to subcontract to other air forces of other countries. it is right for us to act. >> this is about psychopathic terrorist killers and we have to realize that whether we like it or not, they have already declared war on us. >> they unleashed a new strike and targets in iraq and syria. over the course of this week, fighter bombers have taken out weapons depots as a key part of

the cash flow into the organization. joining me from london is carry simmo simmons. in washington chuck todd. former ambassador to iraq is here to weigh in and with me in the studio, spokesperson sahi. really appreciate it. his a power panel. this vote in the uk can have a major effect on the air tam wane against isis. let's start with that. the yes vote only applies to iraq. why not syria? >> that's right. it only requires to iraq. the answer is because the british and british lawmakers are so nervous about getting involved in something if they feel like it could be a slippery slope, if you like. the reason they said that he only had called for a vote is there he said there was an elected government who asked for intervention. that of course not being the case in syria.

it's interesting that you played that sound byte of him saying they shouldn't subcontract other air forces to do what they think should be done. in syria, the british are doing that. for now the u.s. and the coalition will be left to carry on with those air strikes while the british get involved in the air strikes on isis and in iraq. one crucial point, the british have said they have got people on the ground who will get involved and i think that means special forces. that could be an important intervention that those special forces, the british special forces perhaps will be there and able to help guide in air strikes, particularly in urban areas where it will be difficult to target isis and not accidentally hit civilian population which would be psychologically damaging for the coalition.

it is a small intervention from the uk and a small contribution, but psychologically it will be good for them to have the uk with them side by side. >> there is a lot at stake for the brits. one citizen already executed by isis and another still a hostage. he has been threatened with death. what influence is that having on this conversation over there? >> it has in the states. it has shifted public opinion there was so concerned and against intervention in foreign lands by the british military after afghanistan and after iraq and after libya. that action by isis brought the british behind this intervention. it has made a real difference. >> carry simmons, appreciate the work you are doing. britain was not the only one debating whether to join the

u.s. in the campaign. denmark just committed war planes to the air strikes. they are going contribute seven f 16s. there is a lot of obstacles and including hold outs among arab states. we just talked about the potential for ground contributions. is that something that the u.s. has been working to secure? >> absolutely. we have been working this day and night, talking to leaders in the region and in europe about what role they can play in the coalition. it's important to know that we are not asking everyone to play a military role. there many ways you can play it. >> talk about the nonmilitary contributions. >> we are moving into this phase. the ongoing process of air strikes and military action will continue. there will be a pentagon briefing later today. we are in an important diplomatic place. we need to expand to the other components, addressing foreign

fighters and expanding assistance and making sure we are delegitimizing isil. these are steps when they go to the reenj yon, they will talk about what roles they have been playing. >> we will be bringing any news coming out of that. we talked about how this vote applies to iraq and that's the approach that france has taken. is there an approach that you will not get the same support? >> i can promise you that the uk and france are supportive of what our objectives are here. degrading and destroying isil. the job is not done there. that is a linchpin country and we need to end isil and their expansion in iraq. this is an important role. >> the opposition leader came up and said in order to undertake strikes, he would want to see a

resolution on that. >> there a range of steps that can be taken and a lot of support in the international community. we believe we have the international legal justification to have taken action as do others who have taken action. we will see what happened around the world and what other steps people are willing to take. >> this is tough and they said yes at the un. >> if the right approach is not under taken in dealing with the issue at hand, we get closer to a turbulent and tumultuous region with repercussions for the whole world. the right solution comes from within the region and regional provide it. is this war of the words affecting that in any way? >> it's not. there ongoing discussions and negotiations and the secretary will have another meeting later

this afternoon. there gaps that need to be filled. in order for iran to have a greater place in the community, they need to prove they can have a peaceful program. there have been moments where we raised this and there is a role iran could play, but we are not mixing our apples and oranges here. as soon as we suspend major sanctions, the world will flood into that and including "the washington post" report. >> it doesn't mean that we don't have other concerns. there is no question that preventing iran from a nuclear

weapon would be a huge contribution and we are committed to pursuing this. >> how are the conversations going? we have an air base right there. >> we will challenging issues we are hopeful about them playing an expanded role. turkey is already playing a role. this is what i touched on earlier. they are playing an enormous role and onest things the general said in the meeting we had with arab leaders is as soon as the guns are quiet, we need to be hearing the sounds of hammers. we need to come in and give these countries an opportunity to see the alternatives. >> the success of this u.s. operation will depend on progress on the ground.

he is the former ambassador to iraq. they expressed a need for the government in iraq. is this new government strong enough to sustain any gains made in the campaign. >> it was a positive snep which sunnis need. they fill the position of interior and defense minster which they have to do soon. that was very much necessary as a first step to get the sunnis to take up arms and fight isis in their territories. without that, the sunnis were marginalized if they did not participate, that would help by increasing public support for them in those areas.

>> exactly that imbalance and lack of power is a criticism that has been against al maliki. you have been credited with helping that rise to power. he has been blamed not only for the sectarian government and the way in which that fuelled the rise, but making sure america did not stay in iraq. >> in 2005 at the beginning of 2006, we needed someone at that time to stand up against the shia militia which were killing our people and fighting the sunnis. among the alternatives that were available, malik was the best option. he did good things in his first term. he went to basra and he worked well with our people. he fought the militias and it's during the second term as we

began to discuss withdrawal and the syrian situation. he began to lose it and did a poor job. i think his first term was successful. >> you don't think there were warning signs that he may not have been the right man for the job? >> the alternative to him at that time and remember we and they presented two candidates. one whose father was iranians and the sunnis rejected him because of that. on the balance, he was more acceptable to everyone. he was strong in terms of going after the shia militia. >> is there anything you would have done differently with such

chaos? >> i wouldn't have with drawn forces. why we were there, we had a lot of influence. i would have remained engaged talking about the second terms. across the sectarian leader with more seats in parliament, i would like to try to get him and we and iran came to an understanding that maliki was better for him to say rather than that. that was also a mistake. >> history will test the decisions. i have to ask you. you became the subject of a money laundering accused of money from oil and building in iraq to your wife's account in i haven that. that is ongoing and assets were frozen. how do you respond to that? >> well, as you know, the

austrian court made a decision on that and said there was no case and no basis for it. they threw the whole thing out. regarding the account that was made in vienna for the purchase of an apartment and the austrian prosecutor overreacted to that by freezing the account, but the court decision is not on the record. we are happy with that decision. >> the clear denial from them. >> thank you. >> with the air strikes in iraq and now in syria, a president who staked his legacy is playing war president in a congress that wants avoid fallout. chuck todd hosted "meet the press."

the president has been criticized for maybe caution. is this isis campaign forcing him to recast his leadership? >> i think it has. i think you saw the un speech. it's sort of going to be the prove that you see a president trying to engage the public on the issue of isis. it's a different president that over the last three weeks, you have seen the evolution where he i think made the decision. you can't go after them and not talk like you are ready to go after it. he had to add bravado to the actions. it's against his own dna. he doesn't -- he doesn't like the theater of politics and doesn't like to overdo it. from what i understand, he has come to the conclusion that

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>> everybody keeps saying what does that mean? the possibility of what do you do with the vacuums when you start making progress on isis? the one part of the strategy that a lot of folks are saying is sort of a head scratcher. you are dropping bombs and taking care of weapons depots that you might have. after you do that, is anybody coming in? what's filling the vacuum here? how are you dealing with ground reports? the on the ground intelligence is not great yet. let alone the first person reporting, our inability to see what's on the ground that we are stuck with only getting footage from government sources. i think that those are the

lalths plans. wouldn't it have been nice if you had seen the president demand congressional authorization and demand a change in the war and wouldn't have been nice if congress insisted on doing it. neither are acting as the public would like to say is the greatest lesson learned from the iraq war which was missing was an act of debate before the decisions were meat. >> we have about two minutes before the briefing at the white house, but before we go to that, how was the contrast informative. they debate this in the way you described and our own congress which seems reluctant to touch it. >> they almost demand the action that david cameron did. he wouldn't be going unless he had to. there is that. i think that there is this concern when you have

congressional leaders, particular particularly and john boehner. the senate republican leader. they don't want new issues ri maining in the campaign. of course this is a decision that is being dictated by the election. >> with so much at stake, there is some conversation about whether congress should revisit the cuts to defense spending. do you think there is any room for that happening politically? >> i do. i think you are going to see movement on that for the first time. president obama thought that that would motivate republicans to the negotiating table which is whyry agreed to it at the time. that republican then was saying look, everybody has to take a haircut when it comes to fiscal

issues. >> the briefing at the pentagon is now starting. let's listen in. >> the campaign against i till. let me make a few comments about the campaign and what's been going on the last week and general dempsey will make comments and then we will take your questions. as i said this week has been an important week for the u.s. and coalition forces as we began strikes in syria. along with france, we conducted over 200 air strikes in iraq against isil. in support of iraqi forces.

we conducted 43 in syria. with ongoing efforts in iraq, these strikes will continue to deny freedom of movement and k458 enj the ability to direct operations. we took action in syria against the network of al qaeda veterans known as the khorazan group. we are still assessing the operation of these strikes. this was a critical operation. members of this group were plotting attacks against the united states and our friends and allies. with syria, there has been no woord nation nor will there be. nothing has changed about our position that has shifted our approach to assad and his

regime. because this regime president assad has lot of all legit mas tow govern. as we continue operations from the air, i want to emphasize that no one is under illusions, under any illusions that air strikes will destroy i till. they are one element of our broader competencive campaign. it has diplomatic inteligence and other military components working with coalition partners and a new government in iraq. this week we moved forward on each of these fronts. in new york the president had a meeting focused on stopping the flow of fighters into and out of the region. what the pressury department and the united states and the coalition partners are also intensifying efforts to ought off isis financing. we continue to support the new iraqi government and the program of reform and reconciliation.

that is the only long-term solution to the sectarian tensions that enabled isil's rise in iraq. on wednesday, president obama met with the prime minister. the president affirmed america's support for him and his new government and iraqi people. yesterday secretary kerry met with the cooperation council and president and vice president spoke with the turkish president to strengthen the cooperation against isil. senior officials continue to coordinate with our coalition partners. the other dimensions of military strategy are seen in progress. now that we have support in congress are moving forward with the plain to train and equip the moderate syrian opposition. we have begun detailed military planning for the mission. assessment teams have arrived in

saudi arabia. in iraq, isil's strongholds continue to pose a major challenge. but our support for iraqi and kurdish forces is enabling many units to go on the offensive. forces will continue to maintain pressure on isil fighters throughout iraq. as the president emphasized on wednesday in his speech at the united nations, this broad diplomatic and economic campaign is under written by brought coalition of more than 40 nations. including five regional partners. and this coalition continues to expand. over the last two days, the governments of belgium, denmark and the netherlands announced their intention to participate in air strikes in iraq. a few minutes ago, i spoke with britain's defense minster. he called me as he left the

chambers of the parliament to inform me that the british parliament had voted 524 to 43. that's to join with the united states and coalition partners. a brought coalition has been and will continue to be a corner stone of strategy against isil and we appreciate all the contributions and commitments of our friends and allies as we continue to work closely with them and coordinate their participation and efforts. sustaining our brought diplomatic, economic and military campaign will require a long-term commitment. from the united states and all of our partners and allies. this will not be an easy or brief effort. we are at the beginning of the effort to destroy isil. americans have confidence of the skill and professionalism of our

men and women in uniform and our exceptional leadership. when i had the opportunity to meet with president obama in tampa, we expressed our deep appreciation to austin and his team for their hard work and planning and this hard work and planning and commitment to this country is keeping america secure. they are carrying this out with courage and dedication and resolve. thank you. >> thanks, mr. secretary. i would also like to reiterate that the campaign against isil will be a persistent and sustained campaign and it's not an iraq. this is an iraq first strategy. it's not iraq only.

the coalition strikes demonstrate to isil that they have no safe haven. the targeted actions are disr t disrupting the command and control and while in iraq they are empowering them to go back on the offense. they will build and guide and sustain a credible coalition to arab states to set the stage for a broader international tam pain against isil. our military actions are part of a comprehensive strategy that includes disrupting and recruitment and movement for foreign fighters and exposing the false narratives and stripping away their cloak of religious legitimacy behind which they hide. while the situation evolves and continues to demand attention, we are balancing challenges and other regions. the ebola outbreak is the largest the world has seen.

this was a complex emergency that has significant humanitari humanitarian, economic and security dimensions. as part of the international agency response, we are leveraging the capabilityings for command and control and logistics hubs and training and engineering support. as most of you know, i just returned on tuesday from a trip to france with lithuania and croatia where i had discussions with my nato counterparts. the commitments will continue to demand the attention of european allies. i had the chance to visit our military cemetery with my french colleague. that sacred ground near the sands of omaha peach is a testament to the men and women

in uniform who guard our freedoms. they are conducting engagements across the world and actions that assure our allies. they are foremost on my mind as are their families. with that we will be happy to take your questions. . >> you mentioneded the president as i'm sure you know. turkey is raising the prospect of a buffer zone in syria and iraq with the border. today raised the prospect of a no-fly zone. they have spoken about that in the past. i wonder if the united states would consider supporting act e actively to protect the no-fly zone or buffer zone to enforce one and also can you please give me explicit examples of how the u.s. is protecting the

casualties in syria? the first question, i spoke to the this week. we continue to talk with the turkish leadership about their different ways to contribute to the coalition. the issue of a buffer zone is not a new issue. we discussed all the possibilities and what the turks believe they require. they know clearly that isil and what's happening in syria and iraq ask is a clear and present threat and a danger to them. they are now hosting about 1.3 million refugees plus all of the

other dimensions of the isil threat to their country and people. as to collateral damage, every mission that it plans always factors in first collateral damage questions and assessments. then a judgment has to be used. as to whether we would go forward with the mission. it is first and foremost the priority of our commander who is have responsibility for strikes. to make sure the collateral damage. >> thanks, mr. secretary.

>> one of the things you are seeing in this campaign is the fruition of two decades of education activities with the allies in the region. they are just as well as we are on the issue of precision and reducing the possibility of collateral damage. you can't reduce it to zero. i suspect overtime i till will probably publish a few videos alleging and it should enable us to determine not only how to strike, but the results after the fact. because of the 20 years.

>> they might be a possibility, but that's not part of how they are presently. >> faced by syrian kurds, there was a firefight playing out on the ceiling a short time ago. they appear to be facing the same genocidal threat that we saw with others in iraq. why haven't they come to the syrian kurds from the air and is that a step you are considering taking. >> as they said with a rather sophisticated and complete isr picture of all of that area

including the air that you are talking about. we are discussing how and what we can do with the partners. it's not actively looking at the options we have to deal with. as i said with my answer, you are talking to get the different aspects of the isil threat. it has been a little more than a week during that testimony. if you believe it was the right step, you would recommend deploying u.s. ground forces and if you believe that was the right thing, since then we heard from many administration officials attempting to walk that and it sounded to me and to

others like you were a commander saying honestly and sincerely what you felt was necessary i need ground troops and certain roles to succeed here. the answer is absolutely. if you are suggesting that i might at some point recommend that we need a large ground force to counter isil, the answer to that is also absolutely. for the issues are confronting. the ideal force, the only truly effective force that will actually be able to reject isil from within their own population is a force comprised of iraqy and kurds and moderate syrian

opposition. at some point if we have to advise them more closely than currently we are, of course i recommend it. we haven't reached that point. >> it's helping in targeting air strikes and forward deploying advisers. >> i will make a recommendation. the president give me a mission. destroy isil. i will recommend to him what it takes to destroy isil. >> i might just add, every meeting i have been in with the president of the united states and the chairman joint chiefs of staff over the last year 1/2, the president made it clear as i have meat it clear, he expects the president of the united states the absolute most direct and honest military advice that the letters can give him.

he wants it and he must rely on it. he said he relies on it. tony? >> one of the resource implications of this long persistent campaign, do you realistically conduct it within the confines of your current budgeting plans and you have a $58 billion request for fiscal year 15. can you accommodate this within the levels of spending? >> as you know, we are generally spending roughly since this effort started that has been funded out of the overseas contingency operations. we are going to require additional funding from congress

as we go forward. his due in december 11th. we are working with the committees on how we go forward with authorizations and funding. >> could i add to this? obviously i work closely with the chiefs. when we submitted the budget last year and it went through the white house for approval and it was approved and sent to congress, the joint chiefs said we could accomplish the nation's security needs with that budget with certain assumptions. the number of commitments would level off or come down and get flexibility in the budget to change pay compensation, health care and systems and infrastructure. commitments have gone up and things we were looking for and minimally have been assessed and the full review for budget problems?

yes. are you are spending 4.6 billion. >> it's gas money. the base line builds and sustains. we have to separate them and a budget. >> we will be. >> marcus. >> how much they expect both you and the chairman. you expect it to be a long-term operation. has it been an analysis? >> we have to. we would have to project out as we are and what the chairman's point was about base line budgets. that's the critical part of this. we are doing this now. >> if i can add to that, how long is it going to tyke recapture mosul. great question.

i will answer it with a question. how long will it take the new government to convince the sunni, shia and kurds that the future should rest with them and not with separations along sectarian lines. this springs activities together and it's the government of iraq that separates because of its policies and draw the people back to them so that isil can no longer swim freely. >> jim? >> chairman dempsey, do you believe it will in fact take some ground troops in syria to destroy isis? if they are not americans, do you have enough faith in training 5,000 free syrian army troops, the nonaggressive militants to achieve that goal and destroy isis? >> actually first, the never heard the phrase nonaggressive

militants, about you it sounds like an oxymoron. let me see if i can answer the question. there is no military solution to isil. i said military-owned. there is no air power alone solution to isil. either in iraq or syria. so the answer is yes. there has to be a ground component to the campaign against isil and syria. we believe that the path to develop that is the syrian moderate opposition. 500 has never been the end state. and we believe they would need that to recapture lot of territory in syria. i am confident that we can establish their training if we do it right. we have to do it right, not fast. they have to have military leaders that wind them together. they have to have a political instruct tower which they can

hook. therefore be responsive to. that will take time. >> mr. secretary, you said earlier this week that the u.s. would defend militarily the free syrian army. what does that mean? are you talking about possibly engaging syrian forces militarily? >> i think the question was asked, those that we begin training, if they were attacked, would we help them? i said yes. >> thank you. mr. secretary, why was the decision made to send the headquarters element of the first infantry decision to iraq and what would he be doing there. would he leave the joint operations centers and a follow-up question for you. the general's son is with the first division. he recalled the president when he announced to the nation what

his strategy was and what he was instructing the defense department to do. there would be an increase of 475% off. the command and control function of that will come out of the first division. as other personnel will be assigned as well from other components. that's why they are going. >> and they are a coherent standing fighting organization and how to integrate these activities and manage them with the coalition. the group that went in was beginning to make the contacts with the forces. they actually have the band width and the skill sets to manage a campaign.

>> dave? >> a follow-up with a question. can you give us an update of the training of iraqi forces and what are the risks to troops that will be doing the training and advising? >> the update is that the previous engagement of the 26 or so brigades that they are prepared to accept training and advice and reequipping, they are beginning to do two things. we are working with the iraqi military leader who is take that sure what occurs is their campaign and not ours. we wanted to to be enabled by us. we drag them along for legitimacy. i can assure you that all of the activities you have seen up until now have been military

leaders with priorities and objectives enabled by us. we are making progress and we have to have ayaloner campaign that recaptures lot of territory. what risks? the men and women in uniform understand risk and how to manage it. we have been doing training for the last 12 years nonstop. we can't ever drive risks like that, but i assure the moms and dads of the young men and women we mitigate it and reduce it to the greatest extent possible. >> do you believe that so far you avoided any civilian casualties in the air cal campaign and do you have leaders from isis ask khorazan in the air strikes? >> we received no reports of

collateral damage up to this point in the campaign. there is alwaysilatency in reporting on the ground in an air campaign. we are alert flown isr to try to confirm or deny damage assessments. as for whether some of the key leaders of isis or khorasan have been killed, too soon to tell. we monitor various kinds of intelligence. we scan social media, which is normally the first place you find out, frankly. but it's too soon to tell. >> reporter: who is the head of the free syrian opposition, the moderate rebels that you are planning to train? and chairman dempsey, do you need spotters on the ground to be more precise in your air strikes in syria? is that what's stopping you from helping the kurds along the turkish border right now? >> well, first of all, we're in the process of setting up the vetting system for those that we

will begin training moderate opposition syrian fighters. >> reporter: but who is the head of that opposition? >> we don't have a head of it. in that we are vetting and will continue to vet through our regional departments, state department, intelligence departments, as they will build their coalitions with our help. we're not going to instruct them as to who their leaders are. they'll make their own decisions on who their leaders are. >> jennifer, the question about whether we need spotters for air controllers on the ground to help in syria and whether that's a limiting factor in what's going on on the -- with the syrian kurds, the answer is no. as i mentioned in testimony, the issue of the requirement for air controllers on the ground really manifests itself when the forces join and become intermingled. that's when it becomes very complicated and difficult to

manage from a full motion video feed from a predatory. these forces happen to be separate, so that's not a limiting factor. i would also remind us, actually, that you can't be every place and see everything. and i know that somebody's got an iphone out there taking a picture of it, but that doesn't mean that we're anywhere nearby because the centcom commander, given the tasks he's been given, prioritizes his resources and he may not happen to be looking right now at the syrian border. >> that's it, everyone. appreciate it. >> thank you. >> thanks. >> that was a live pentagon briefing with defense secretary chuck hague. and general martin dempsey, the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff. they emphasized there have been 43 air strikes on the syrian side of this conflict that they believe this will degrade and destroy isis and that there were also strikes undertaken against the khorasan group but they're still assessing the impact of those. both of those emphasizing this is the beginning, not the end of that operation. a lot of ground to cover here.

i'm here with ayman and colonel jack jacobs. a lot of tough questions about the relationship with fighting forces on the ground. who are the leaders amongst free syrian army and a very evasive answer. >> the answer was effectively unknown. we don't know who the leaders are. you get the impression, of course, they haven't even put the force together. kind of a waffle at the end when the secretary said, well, they're going to pick their own leaders. i think that's highly unlikely. most likely is if and when there is a force to put together, they are trained, we'll have a great deal to say about who leads it and what the chain of command will. it's going to be top-down management otherwise this thing is not going to work. by the way, one thing that did come up that we've been talking about for a long time, 5,000 is a very small -- where did they get 5,000 from? general dempsey said it's not really 5,000. we think 1,000 to 15,000 and

probably the number will be higher to be effective. >> a lot of discuss about the coalition building. particularly the troubling role of turkey. how do you rate progress on that front? >> i think the turks for some time had their hands somewhat tied behind their back. they had 49 hostages held by isis inside iraq that were in mosul and they took them over. they couldn't play the kind of role that perhaps the u.s. and others wanted them to. but also for the same -- at the same time, the turks have also dropped the ball for the past couple of years. they kept that border completely wide open. they really banked on the moderates coming out of this fight being victorious in the end. in the end it turned out not to be the case. we're running the show in sir kra and that will haunt the turks for some kind. i think turks are waking up to that reality. they said they're committed to the fight and helping the sxus may play a morrow bust role in nato and having stronger capabilities than any of the countries. >> they have to do a better job of squeezing that flow of oil

and the banking lines that pay for it. they're going to have to -- >> which they did mention in this conference. what is your assessment, colonel, of the impact of the khorasan-specific strikes so far? when he says, we're still assessing, what does that mean? >> i think we know the answer, they're are just not going to release it. we have very good bomb assessment damage. what we don't have is personnel on the ground in order to make an evaluation. we don't have individual assessments on the ground. at the end of the day, we're not going to -- unless we have intelligence on the ground, human intelligence, we're not going to know what the actual effect is. >> we've been listening to the white house briefing happening. april ryan is correspondent for you are man radio america and aerial feinman. thank you, boat th of you. >> ronan, i've been out here. listening to the pentagon.

one thing the white house does, they reiterate what the pentagon says. before the pentagon went out, they received the white house received all of this information. what josh is doing inside that briefing is regaling what the pentagon has said from what we saw, when u.s. went against al qaeda in iraq. it's not winnable through military action. as well that you need diplomacy as well as the economic component to help bring success over the long term. >> april, he did weigh in on the special relationship with the uk. obviously, very significant day on that front with the vote saying they are going to participate in air strikes. never big figure raised in both of these briefings, howard feinman, was $7 to $10 million a day for this entire operation. how is that number going to be received with congress on the

hook for that funding? >> that's surely a number that's going to grow. what i take is away from this is we're in this for the long haul. whether we contain to contain and defeat, khorasan, budding caliphate, looking at vietnam without trees. i don't know the answer to that. but this is going to be occupying the president of the united states for the last two years of this term and whoever the next president is. remember these briefings because these are the briefings at the very beginning stating the most optimistic case. realistic but optimistic from general dempsey. realistic about how long this is going to take. that's the key point. >> a really important point. a lot of obstacles ahead. thank you to all of you.

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