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i was all set to hear what the good news is. oh, oh, that's my cue. experience journalist named corey hutchins has just published a scoop about congress and the military. on tuesday this week, he was speaking at a campaign forum in colorado springs, colorado. and we've got tape of this. i should tell you we've got multiple sources. we didn't want to go with just that one source. so we then got audio tape of the same event from a different source. they match exactly.
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with those two sourss, we do think this happened the way it appears to have happened. >> it's a response in the military. and in response to that question, as you hear on the tape, the congressman explains that he and others sort of implied that it was him and other members of congress. he says he and others were actively working right now behind the scenes to get vocals to resign from the military. he's on the subcommittee on readiness about u.s. military training and being prepared for war. he's on the subcommittee for strategic forces and is actively working to get u.s. generals to quit the military in what he calls a blaze of glory. >> this starts with a question from the audience.
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but then congressman lanborn gives his answer. watch. >> please, it's important to support the generals and the truths in this country despite the fact that there's no leadership from the white house. >> reassuring on this, a lots of us are talking to the general behind the scenes saying hey, if you disagree with the have
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flown more than 200 air strikes in iraq during recent weeks. a new war that spans boets of those countries alongside the existing ground war still being fought in afghanistan. and in the middle of all of that, surfing members are trying to get u.s. generals to quit. that would be a blaze of glory. we contacted congressman lanborns office today what he says leaves some out standing
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questions. if you'd like to question this, i'd really welcome the opportunity. are any of those generals actively involved right now in actively fighting in the war we are in in afghanistan right now. congressman lanborn says a lot of us are talking to quitting. telling them to resign. what do you mean by a lot of us? we're working on this plan. is there other members of the armed sftszs chit tee? is it republicans and democrats? is it just republicans? congressman lanborn, do you believe it would be good for the military. especially for lots of generals to start quitting right now. apparently, for political reasons.
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>> werp not able to reach congressman lanborn himself today. what the commune kaxs director told us is this. what the congressman was saying there, he was not referring to any current actions. he told us that when congressman lanborn said he's trying to get them to quit, he was not describing any kind of active or habitual or organized endeviler. we asked specifically if he had encouraged generals to resign and he hadn't. to be clear, again, the congressman said this on tuesday. >> a lot of us are talking to the generals behind the scenes saying hey, if you disagree with the policy that the white house is giving you, let's have a
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resignation. it should be noted that he has a strong opponent. and it turns out his opponent is a retired air force major general who spent 32 years 234 the service. he's a conservative democrat. general halter has put out a response on this issue. he told the colorado independent it is inappropriate to politicize our military for his own game. congressman lanborns stachlt, someone who serves on the house armed services committee should know better. now, at one level, maybe this is just a misstatement. maybe this is just a gaffe. i do not know congressman doug
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lanborn's track record to know if he's the kind of guy to be expected to accidentally say something that's totally nuclear, but he duchbt really mean it. >> who knows, maybe he did mean it. because that's the prospect he raised, it deserves a little elaboration. so that's the death of the republic news. a biechbding vote about whether the british military would start participating against isis in
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iraq and syria. their veterans administration of congress, their parliament had not authorized them to do that. today, after a very good and entertaining debate, that they would give that military authorization. >> houchk will this war last and when will mission creek start? >> this is going to be a mission that will take not just months, but years. killing extremists doesn't kill their ideas. >> we've also got to think of the consequences of inaction. how much stronger will they be before we decide to take action as well? >> look at what they've agreed to. none are success stories.
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>> we do have to realize that whether we like it or not, they have already declared war on us. >> why is it right to carry out such actions against isis in iraq but not syria? the government has well domed other arab countries 234 syria in recent days. if it is to be welcomed by others, why is it not welcome and right for snus. >> the words on the motion are about bombing iraq. there's a consensus in here that we're going to be soon bombing syria. there's a consensus here that there will be boots on the ground. the only question is whose boots are they? >> they took a vote and the vote was overwhelmingly, 524-43.
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the motion they voted on was really specific. it's air war only. no ground troops. and it is iraq only, and not syria. you heard that they were debating that point quite intensely. but that line was drawn as a legal matter. an air war in iraq would be legal because it was at the request of the iraqi government. the syrian government doesn't want other countries launching in their environment. no war would be legal without authorization from the united nations, k4, of course, does not exist. well, the ewe nighted nations exists, the permission does not. it's an interesting question of legality. that said, our congress is not debating whether or not to authorize these wars.
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we're just doing these wars without any pesky politics getting in the way. in oklahoma, yesterday, there was an instant of workplace violence. he decided to kill one of his fellow co-workers and then tried to kill ood. he had a long, criminal history and was killed in oklahoma by that huge tornado in may of last year. and now, moore oklahoma is the site of this workplace killing that has resonated across the country in the way most workplace violence does not.
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in the fatal attack, he cut off his victims' head. moore oklahoma police called the fbi for assistance in dealing with this case. he was shot by a reserve deputy, but he survived. trying to convert people in the workplace. beheadings of the hostage terrorist group isis in syria. the man who was killed in algeria was a 255-year-old tourist. france, as a nation, was already
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on board with the military campaign against isis in iraq. fransz is krg its authorization in syria and iraq. that the fired employee who allegedly went on this brutal rampage today who killed one of his co-workers by beheading her and tried to kill somebody else. beheading is a tactic that screams not murder, bud terrorism. no matter where it is done or for whatever insane or mundane reason. and in that mix, right, the worry now is what happens to national debate that so far, has
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been inane or nonexist tent. or in the case of congressman doug lanborn, basically unbelievable. >> does the continuing influence of terror, the feeling of being scared, does that threaten our decisions and our debates about these issues worse and worse and worse. joining us now is nbc news foreign correspondent. >> i want to ask you about iraq and syria. the british parliament voted to join the air strikes in iraq, but not syria. they may be willing to go to syria now, too. european countries either join or make a coalition.
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from a military perspective, the answer is the u.s. could have gone alon. they're not going to make the difference in the fight. it's a colist. there's a diplomatic aspect to it. >> what kind of risks are those countries running do mesically by agreeing to participate in these u.s. strikes? >> they're going to make themselves targets to isis. got because they have an operational link, but because they're sympathizers. that could wreak havoc inside these countries.
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they also have a pretty bad track record on human rights. that means that these governments can then, in turn, crack down even further and demonstrate everyone further. >> so as the u.s. says, we're looking at a years' long effort. it is going to be a year's long efrt, what should we look for. what should we watch for? >> listen, as a u.s. citizen, what i want to see is are these countries doing something beyond the military cooperation?
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really,it's not going to make or break the fight. are these countries doing something to say we're going to drain this ideology. we're rejecting this ideology. what are they doing publicly to condemn it? what are they doing to reform their edge kagsz system? what are they doing to reform a lot of their programming that goes on the air. these are the things that i would look for. americans aren't going to see that stuff. this is behind-the-scenes stuff. this is the kind of stuff that we need to monitor and see these country dos in a systematic way that's going over a generation. isis is a generational problem. you look at where we were in 2001. you look at where we were in 2014. al-qaida has spread in north africa, yemen and now in syria and iraq. it doesn't look good when you stand up at 10,000 feet and look
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at how this is spreading. >> and today, reports of isis embedding with the taliban targeting the family members of police. you know, the american ground warrior in after kban stan goes on. we think of this as a separate war, wu it may be turning into one. >> we've got lots more ahead, including me stepping off the podium and letting somebody else do it better for a moment. stay with us. [ male announcer ] if you had a dollar for every dollar
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energy lives here. it's friday, happy friday. there's no cocktail moment tonight, i'm not in the mood for a drink. but we do have the best new thing in the world which is delightfully good news to set you up for the weekend. we also got a star for an oil company that nobody else is reporting. it will curl your hair. it's amazing. we've also got some news on politics and elections going on. there's a lot going on, there's a lot ahead. but it is friday. i'm going to take a personal point of privilege here. over the course of a week, there was one story thafrs really, widely covered in the news. it's a story that we did not touch here. even though it was all anyone was talking about in the beltway.
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the reason that we did not do this story is that it is a really stupid story. and you know the story i'm talking about. it is exactly the thing our media is wired to chew on like cud so it could make its daily pattys for the pasture. it is an absolute nonsense story. so we made an overt decision to ignore it. but it turns out there is another responsible way to ignore a fake story like that. you can destroy it. it's what jorn stuart did on the daily show. but what they did with this story was something on another level. one thing they did was a lot of laugh out loud laugh lines in it.
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instead, he just wrongly e moded about it. it can turn people away for you to just emote. but when you do it right, it can achieve c acan achieve ckat arctic affection. >> now, i might have given the president salutes with a coffee cup story an espresso size, the news coverage goes for the full double venti with one network going especially deep. >> earn the proper respected of the salute. >> ins sensitive. >> what's the meaning of it? that's it. >> it's terrible. >> it's outlandish. our commander in chief showed complete disrespect for the men and women in uniform. shut up. we don't really care.
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we don't really care about this. you have no principle about this. you're just trying to score points 234 a game that no one else is playing. >> so the principle here is show respect for the people who are putting their lives on the line for this fight. here's that very same episode. >> the first female pilot piloting for the uae dropped the bombs on isis on monday night. >> would that be considered boobs on the ground or no? >> first of all, forget the sexism. second of all, she's a pilot. whatever gender-specific i equip. ment she might be carrying, doesn [expletive] matter.
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when bush took us to war, people were shouted down as treason. this president isn't as american as you are. would president bush ever do that? >> yeah, are we surprised? i mean, after all, we've got a golf playing, basketball trash-talking, leading from behind, i've got no strategy os aurks ma bin laden is dead, gm is alive commander. how disrespectful was that. >> he drinks chai. so when he's in the back of a volvo, it has that cardamon
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cardamonz zing. his hands were too filled with dog, a scottie out of respect. so here we've got two presidents. both sending the united states to war. both without any seeming exit strategy. both holding [expletive] in their hands because. >> we'll be right back. >> we'll be right back, too. but with great humility and thanks for the john stuart show and giving the stupidest bemtway nonsense story of the week the ending it properly deserved. all hail. well done. enough said, at last. that hard.
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>> don't retreat. you reload with truth, which i know is an endangered species at 1400 pennsylvania avenue, anyway. truth. >> that is a thing that happened today. we'll be right back. >> i love this segment. i'm on expert on softball. and tea parties.
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ted kenty passed away. a big part of the reason is that she didn't cover scott brown in the women's vote. she did win it by three-points and that was not enough to conquer the giant man slide of men voting back on the ballot with the democratic no, ma'am for governor this year. and the republican guy was charli baker. and he's trying to rewin that magic. he's trying to come peet with women voters, to at least suppress the margin for women,
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for the democrat running against himt. don't let martha appeal to too many women. or don't, don't do that at all. >> even though they show the race in dead heat, they're trailing by double digits. his commercials featuring his daughter and his wife target women. monday, baker did shake up the media strategy. he says it was just over a disagreement. when i tried asking one last question, it could mean the sfart of negative ads, here's what baker said to me. >> democrats are saying they just put out a couple of them. >> she's asking him about his bad image with women voters. he pats her and says this is going to be the last one, sweetheart. but then watch how she responds. >> sometimes they just put out an e-mail.
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>> i'm kidding. charlie baker, he kids. he also loses very badly among women voters. and if old scott brown has the voters that baker is going to come from, charlie brown -- excuse me, charlie baker. after losing massachusetts, scott brown decided to move to new hampshire. scott brown is in polls right now for scott brown by a 12 point margin. that means he tends not to
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remember anti-abortion legislation. now, when he gets asked about that stuff, he's resorting to the all-time great response. >> i wanted to ask you about your sponsorship a couple years back. new pictures and information about her fetus. why did you think this was a good approach? >> i'm not sure of the information you're referring to. >> i must have wrong information. >> i've just voted on probably 8,000 bills that i've taken in my lifetime. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> so many problems for scott brow brown. >> his policy position just
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wasn't as solid as his abs were in the 1980s. charlie baker, scott brown, too. the two of them wr easy with corey gardener. this week, just one line. if colorado's u.s. snenate race were a movie, it would be a gynecologist office complete with an exam table and set of stir ups. it's fairly reputable anti-abortion clinic and they've reyekted it, in part, because in addition to banning all abortion and all circumstance the proponents would likely concede. gardener supported that for years in colorado.
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he was collecting ballot signatures for it and championing it across as federal legislation for the whole country. now that he's running for senate, corey gardener has changed his mind. oh, i'm sorry, i was wrong about that for years now. here's the problem he has has now. he still is a co-sponsor at the personal thing. now, among the many consequences of congress leaving early and not planning to come back until after the election next month, among the them is the fact that corey gardener cannot take his name off that federal legislation. in ordser to unspore southerly something in congress, you have to make a speech on the floor of the house when the house is in
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session chlgt that's how you take your name off the bill. he will not be back until after the election whereupon presumably, it will be too late for him. republicans hate what democrats call the war on women. they hate it. the scott brown senate run, this is what it looked like. it's great to see you. thanks for being here. >> thank you for having me. >> is there clear data about how much of personhood legislation for midterms in? >> yes, it's very clear.
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there are tens of millions of women voters who did not show up in 2012 who are planning to show up in 2014. >> well, i think, first of all, i can say that women and the gender gap are going to determine control of the senate. and you said it very well, rachel, that the key here is for democrats win women more than we lose men by. republicans rbt trying to win women, they're just trying to keep the gap down.
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there are places that it's candidates that the baker and the brown races are against women candidates. the other wuj i would add to you is the gillespie warner race in virginia where ed gillespie has announced a thousand women for him and he said he doesn't want government swrugs in women's lives. well, i'm sorry, a lot of women would be saying that their insurance company doesn't gouge them. to ensure that the food they receivable their dinner is safe. they're trying to turn this whole government intrusion theme against the democrats fascinating, i've got to tell you. the incouple bant kem cat there.
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i do not know if it's possible for an inanimate animal to be kurszed. but if it is possible to be cursed, than this thing right here may be kursed. its job is basically sail out to the middle of the ocean somewhere and drill for oil. a few years ago, the giant oil company, shell, drove this up to the arctic. piece of cake. they said the best in the wourld. they sent the noble discoverer up there and the noble discoverer promptly meted downment here you see it after it ran aground.
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the ship's anchor didn't take hold. it just started drifting and drifting out of control towards shore and then it crash. there aparentally had been some kind of explosion on board. when the discovery got there, members aboarded the ship to check it out. they found more than a dozen problems. the ship's main engine cooling water was contaminated with sludge and oil. they were skimming the oil off with a ladle and a bucket. potentially criminal matter. there was just a disastrous run in the arctic.
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and that ship was the reason they had to pull out of the arctic without drilling a drop. now they want back in. they were shelling up to six different wells and one of the ships that they want to use is -- oh, yeah. the noble discoverer. why not. what could possibly go wrong. it eets been there before. >> shell is not only embarrassed about this. they're also actively lobbying the obama administration to weaken the rules about what they have to coonce they get there. >> just-released documents show that shell has been pleading with the obama administration in private meetings to try to ensure that new rules governing drilling in the arctic do not force them to stash emergency equipment nearby.
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it's so good. on september 5, 1977, this centaur rookt wept up into the sky from the kennedy space center in florida. voyager one was going to explore jupiter and saturn. but after that, voyager 1 kept going and going and going and going as designed. and now voyager 1 has traveled farther away from earth than any other object ever made by humans. last year, nasa announced that voyager 1 is finally in interstellar space. which means that for all intense and purposes, it has left our solar system. that's our start, right? our sun can no longer count voyager 1 as part of its collection of satellites. voyager 1 is out there now. and that's kind of mind blowing, right? even if you're not a space person.
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if you sit and think about it, your mind is trying to wrap itself behind such vast amounts of space into the galaxy and universe. it can also be a little unsettling. and for a very smart 5-year-old boy in canada those thoughts about a spacecraft traveling on and on and on and on and never coming back home, he has found those thoughts to be upsetting. and this is what his mom wrote in a letter to a radio canadian show. for the past year and a half, my 5-year-old son goes to bed worried, sometimes in tears. he's worried about the voyager 1 interstell interstel spacecraft. he wants it to come home and be safe. what do we tell him? first of all, aww. second of all, when you need to hear something reassuring about space, what you do is call in this guy, commander chris hatfield. he's the astronaut who on his last trip in space had the most
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fun of anyone on or off planet. you may remember his series of youtube videos showing us how astronauts wash their hands or what happens when you squeeze a wash cloth on the international space station. it's so cool. then of course, there is his music video where he performed "space odyssey." so he's kind of the unofficial ambassador from space to the earthbound right now. and he called the scared canadian kid. he called to see if he as an astronaut could answer some of these questions that the 5-year-old had about voyager that were making him so anxious. and that conversation between the two of them is really the best new thing in the world today. let this wash over here. >> what if something goes wrong and there's nothing to fix it out there? what happens if it runs into a planet. what if it gets lost? what if it gets broken out of our solar system and there's
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nothing to fix it? >> well, i think the real question is, is voyager happy or not? is voyager a happy machine or a sad machine? machines really like to do something. they like to do what they're built for. a tractor is happy when it's pulling a plow. and to me, voyager is because it's so happy because it's the bravest satellite of all. it has gone the further, and it's not lonely because it's talking to us. it phones home and it tells us all about the wonderful things it's seeing. i think it's as happy as it can possibly be. timor, i hear you whispering with your mom. do you have another question? >> he was worried there are no people around it. who would fix it if it gets broken down? >> it's been going for a long, long time. almost my whole life. it's a very tough little
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spaceship and it knows what it's doing. and it's not worried about breaking down and having somebody fixing it. it's worried about exploring. the purpose of exploring is not to worry about being maybe breaking down and being fixed. the purpose of exploring is finding new things. and discovering and then telling people what you saw. and that's what voyager is doing. it's loving life. it might have been safer for it to just stay home and stay inside a building, but then it would have been sad forever. because it never would have done its purpose. it never would have discovered things. it's all a wonderful story of great discovery and success. and it couldn't have happened if voyager hadn't been brave. did you understand what i said? >> yes. >> does it make you happier? >> not really.
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>> well, it's just sort of part of life timor. >> does it make you happier? not really. commander hatfield did the best job anybody could do to make this vast, scary idea comprehensible to a smart kindergartener, right? but you know what, that's not the best new thing in the world. the best new thing is timor's answer. honest, brave, adventurous and perfectly 5 years old. does it make you happier? not really. best new thing in the world today. yay. that does it for us tonight. we will see you again on monday. now you have to go to prison. >> due to mature subject matter, viewer discretion advised. >> now the scenes you eve never seen.