tv The Rachel Maddow Show MSNBC September 30, 2014 1:00am-2:01am PDT
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>> can i just say doing a hand signal and having 60,000 people do it back to you is amazing. >> it's dangerous to your soul. you did amazing work. >> thanks. >> thanks for joining us this hour. we have a correction to make. a week ago tonight at exactly this time one week ago, i led this show with something that i now know to be wrong. here is me being wrong. >> he vaulted over the white house fence, he ran all the way across the white house lawn. he got all the way to the north portico doors of the white house, he then opened the doors and went inside the building and was not apprehended until he was already inside the white house. >> technically, what you could say is what i said there is accurate but what i describe there had is not really at all
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whap in that incident in the news. >> there was just a stunning development in what was already a pretty shocking story. i know the woshd shocking is overused in the news business. but there is something shocking about this. it's one thing when you see the president of the united states working and you're thinking the president mieblgts be taking a lit m bit of a risk. but it is another thing all together to realize that when the president is at home in what is supposedly the most secure building in the country, he's not actually being well protected, nor is his family. the story is almost impossible to believe. tonight, it is almost impossible. when police did finally catch
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the guy, he had 11 guns. one of which was sawed off chrks is illegal. so much of which were fitted with high power scopes one of which was fitted with two legs of a tripod. >> he was retired from the army. var va state police arrested the man. in july, they charged him for that high-speed chase and charged him for having a sawed off shotgun. they took all of his 11 guns for safekeeping.
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and day did eventually release him on bond. but, when they did, they contacted the secret service up in washington, d.c. in addition to the scope and the tripod, they also found a map of washington, d.c. with the location of the white house marked on that map in pen. obviously possessing a map like that is nottist a itself a crime. when you've got a map like that and 1 is guns and not that far from the white house and ewe're being released on bond, it does seem like, if you're law enforcement, that might be a call to the secret service. virginia state police now confirmed they arrested him with all of those weapons 234 july. apparently, 2 secret service did not care.
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we don't have any telepathic insight into the mind set in order to say that. you can tell by whey what they did. he turned up armed at the white house. the virginia state police had taken all of his guns. but when he showed up at the white house on august 25th, he had an ax. they interacted with him long enough to question him about the white house. so it wasn't just hey, buddy, get out of here. afarntly, nothing popped for the secret service about this guy they'd been warned about. and so then the guy came back. again.
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two weeks later. this time, he had 800 rounds of ammunition in his vehicle. plus he had a naive in his pocket. he jumped over the white house fence. now, turns out a lot of people jump over the white house fence. it's weird and seems very dangerous, but it hatches more often than you might think. but with 42-year-old omar gonzalez, he not only got over the fence, when he landed over the south lawn, nobody tackled him. you can see him in the spot shadow. nobody tackled him. he hit the ground and running.
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and then, what we reported a week ago tonight was that he made it just inside the doors of the north portico in the white house before he was tackled by the secret service. before today, that's what had been reported. now, it turns out that the washington post is reporting that he was not tackled. it can be a little hard to visualize the interior of snb's house, particularly when it's a big, oversized, historic, fancy house. this is an ark tech which you remember cut away. in the initial version of this story, when omar gonzalez went
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in the door there, he was tacked right inside the door. well, today, we learn that that is not at all where he was tackled. instead, he overpowered a secret service ajechblt. he then kept running. he entered in large room here called the east room and then he was sprinting down the room and by some accounts trying to get into the next room in the mansion, which is called the green room. when he was finally taken down, that was in the steps of this
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circle there. >> that's one way, it's actually a little easier to see if you use this map that was mocked up by an unofficial white house fan site. this is just easier to see. it shows you exactly what happened. this shows the whole first floor. see the north portico entrance at the top of the map. and, again, the initial story was that he made it just inside the doors of the north portico. instead, he overpowered the secret service agent there and then ran the length and was tackled somewhere in the vicinity of being about to enter the green room.
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>> look at that. in order to get there, what is he running through? it's a couple of different colors. they're trying to give me the impression there that you're looking at two different floors. he did not choose to run upstairs. this is the second floor of that building. you sew the labels? bedroom, bedroom, bedroom, bedroom? those are the bedrooms and
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private quarters of president obama and his family. i've been to the white house for christmas parties. you get to see the first floor. nobody gets to see the upstairs part of it. this is private. this is where the president and his family live. and omar gonzalez was right there on the landing of their stairs. as far as we know, he chose not to run upstairs. but the way information has been trickling out, wo knows. exactly how terrible the security breech was when omar gonzalez and his knife were able to get that far in the white house. which is worse?
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being able to run inside the white house almost to the president eets private residence with a knife on you? or firing several bullets at the bhiet house and the secret service not noticing that you did it for days. the same secret service had that problem, too. here's the white house on a map. the place where the fence jumper jumped over the fence and made it inside, he came from the pennsylvania avenue side at the top of the white house there. that's where the other side of the fence is. at about 8:50, he was about six
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been fired at the white house. there were two more secret service agents in a vehicle. they thought themp hearing gunfire, but they actually smelled the gun powder in the air. and yet another secret service ajent heard the shots, hit the building and saw debris fall from the building where it had been hit. >> somehow, despite all of that, no shots were fired. it must have been backfiring
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from a nearby construction vehicle. then the secret service revised that initial assessment and said okay, gunshots have been fired. but it had nothing to do with the white house. this happened on friday night. it was not until tuesday when a housekeeper found a chunk of concrete and some broken glass and other white hois staff started to find the bull et holes. it was not until then that the secret service persuaded to look around the white house. it was only then that they decided to put out an apb for
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the man who just emptied the gun in front of the white house. they charged him with trying to assassinate president obama. without the housekeeper finding and reporting the damage, the dude would presummablely still be out there maybe making another plan to try again. in both of these incidences, neither guy seems to be really bright.
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what they got away with is not supposed to happen. what's the matter with the secret service. or is something wrong with the secret service now that was never wrong with them before? is this as bad as it seems? it seems terrible. regardless of whether or not this is new or an old problem, the problem needs to be fixed.
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this is a map of the second floor of the white house. the private quarters with where president obama lives with his family. he was not tackled by the secret service just inside the white house doors, which is what we've been told initially. he actually ran all the way through the white house, including crossing over the landing to the stairs of the
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white house where the president lives with his family which is marked on that map. the president and his daughters had just left the white house less than five minutes before that intrusion happened. joining us now is the reporter who broke that story long before the secret service noticed for days when zemp rifle shots were fired in 2011. thavngs for being here tonight. >> glad to be here, rachel. >> let me ask you first. i've obviously been absorbing your reporting on this today and sub sub sell kwent reporting of everyone else. >> i was quiet impressed by your comparing and contrasting. you're a good reader. and i thought it was pretty genius to talk about the issue that neither of these guys had a very sophisticated plan to pierce the secret services security perimeter, but they did. >> i have to tell you, on that point, i feel uggie talking about this. in part, i feel that the secret
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service is omnipotent and, indeed, omniscient. there's no hope for anybody even trying to take a shot at the president. okay, maybe's a myth, but the myth itself is part of the protection, is it not? because it deters people from even trying. >> i agree with you about the icky part of this. we're not trying to remiernd enemies of our country that there's some vulnerability. i think what motivates a lot of the sources that have talked to us at the washington post is the idea that they know how great the service has been in their lifetime. and they know what a sacred duty it is to protect the president. and they are really worried about the state of the service and the leadership at this time. but they really feel strongly
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that morale is low, staffing is severely short, budgeting is kind of crazy and training is questionable and the service has gotten really complacent and reactive instead of 21st century, you know, beating back the terrorists before they get close to the border. >> in terms of that change, that sounds like that kind of multivariant kplapt. it sounds like that's a service that has gone soft or not staying ahead of typical bureaucratic conditions in an agency that can't afford to have his performance hampered. is it one thing? is it the treasury to dhs that gets more than anything else? or is it a lot of things all at once. >> i thipd it's a couple little things. and you mentioned the important one. the idea of the agency becoming
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headed by a political appointee rather than somebody who's confirmed by congress rather than somebody who's just apointed. that has made the directorship more politically verier inble. and you'll notice in a lot of the krit schism of former agents who talked to us, they say that this is a service that wants to make the white house happy. and so, for example, if you remember the salahey scandal where the whies house was trying to process an event really quickly and these two people who were pretenders got through, mostly because, according to the secret service sources, because the white house didn't want people standing out in the rain and they wanted them through faster. so that example is held out to me all of the time as an indicator of a service that just wants to make their political client happy. instead of the bad a-blank-blank that says we're not going to do that, sir.
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>> as we have the unfolding of new details in incidents in the last few days, do you feel like we fully know what happened in the ortega case? or in the case that the guy got in with a knife. it leaves me wondering if there's another shoe to drop. >> you know, i thought that was a pretty worrisome series of details. the dogs weren't released. the counter guys didn't see him jumping. the guy who's supposed to be on the door is got on the door.
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the door isn't locked, even though it's protocol to lock the door when an intruder is on the ground. i thought that was a lot. so who knows what we'll discover as the days go forth. >> thanks for your time. i appreciate it. >> glad to be here. >> i don't know good questions, but there's definitely going to be hard questions for the director of the secret service who is the sole witness at a congressional hearing that's happening at a weird time. congress is out of session, right? congress didn't come back for a new war starting. but they are coming back tomorrow for an oversight hearing on the secret service. there's going to be some serious fireworks tomorrow on this subject.
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at madison square garden in new york city. and any head of state having a long visit to the u.s. and a big rock star style gathering followed by a private dinner with president obama at the white house, that kind of thing is always a big deal. but when your country has 1.2 billion people in it, when you govern the second largest nation on earth, that's something kind of at a different level. we may be the old esz democracy on earth, but india is bigger, way bigger. the only country larger than them at all is not a depock ra sill. that incredible footage is coming up later in the show. stay with us. invited to quite a few family gatherings. heck, i saved judith here a fortune
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when presidentings sign bills that they're really excited about, they use a lot of pens which they later give away as soouf northeasterlies. president obama used 22 pens when he put his signature on health department reform. that averages out to a pair of pens for each letter of his name. when he was done signing that bill,it looked like he signed it with an etch-a-sketch.
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at the state level, governors do the same thing. they use lots of pens when they want to show a bill that they're particularly proud of. he signed new cuts for family planning and sweeping new restrictions on abortion rights in his state. he signed those new limits on women's health care, while surrounded by a whole big group of men in his office. that budget was a big deal for the governor. he was very proud of it. he invited all of his buds to be there and was 24 different pens to put his name to it. >> each of these pens is a special pen, okay. >> 24 pens in ohio last year. in 2012, they set out 10
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different pens when he signed a bill that blew up the tax code in kansas. the local press described the cuts as massive. once he signed them, he made the national rounds in the media to brag about what he had done. >> on taxes, you need to get your overall rates down. in my estimation, to create growth. and we'll see how it work worgss, we'll have a real live experiment in kansas. >> rail live experiment. kansas has gone from having a budget surplus to a projected shortfall of a quarter billion dollars. the state has made massive cuts to all sorts of services and schools. they had a credit rating downgraded again in may. the result in kansas so far is, number one, that kansas is broke. number two, that sam is losing his re-election bid to a democrat who warned that kansas
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couldn't afford those cuts. and, number three, the campaign for reelection does not want to talk about the brown beck experiment anymore. well, the great jeff greenfield just found that out on a reporting trip to kansas for the news hour on pbs. watch what sam brownbeck tells him here. this is just amazing. >> people, i don't think they don't like change, i don't think they trust change. i said, look, we've got to get our tax rates down. >> and about that experiment word? >> yeah, i shouldn't have used that word. but the good news is it's working well. we're growing. we've got record employment in kansas. >> then, after a brief discussion -- >> the things we're doing are not anything new. we've got nine states without an income tax. that's not new. nothing we're doing is new. it's new that we're doing it, but nothing that we're doing is
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typically what's been done before. >> nothing we're doing is new. now, it's new that we're doing it. nothing new here. >> it's not new. it's new that -- we're not doing anything new. what we're doing is new. it's new that we're doing it. did i say new? did i say we're doing an experiment? i meant would you like some spearmint? today, a kansas court heard a court case about the u.s. senate race in which republicans are trying to force a democratic nominee on to the ballot, even though the democratic candidate dropped out with no democrat in that race. a guy named greg orman has a pretty good chance to win. it's likely that pat roberts will survive. so it's been fascinating to watch this unfold. the father of a sam brownbeck
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campaign staffer seems to have been drafted to put a democratic candidate, a third candidate on the ballot. he doesn't seem to be all that in to his own lawsuit. republicans never thought he would fight so hard. did i say new? not also for the senate seat that's part of the great depression. but this is no ordinary year. and that comes with implications for the rest of the country and who's in control in washington. joining us now, dave keling. you have been having so much fun covering this election, we can't stop. thank you for being here. let me ask you about the court case. >> three judge panel, rachel.
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and they were not happy. none of the judges thought that the plaintiff in this case could probably skip the court case without making his argument. the people who want to keep the democratic line open on the ballot wanted to examine david orelle. there was so much thought that the judges could throw out the case on that basis. we expect a ruling on wednesday, that part of it. the general feeling is almost over. there will be no democrat on the ballot when those ballots are printed later this week. >> if the court decides in a way that would not be expected, if there's a surprise ruling, are the terms of this lawsuit such
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that they could order the democratic party to pick somebody right away and get somebody on there and that name could be on the ballot by the time somebody was on it. >> as time passes, it's less and less feasible. courts could theoretically order a delay in the election. it's highly unlikely. we can't put somebody together, a committee to pick a new nominee in the next 48 hours. i mean, the clock really is running out. kobach told the court he had to start printing yesterday. some said it could slip to thursday. they say, look, enough is enough. we need to know what the ballot is going to be. we need to start sending out ballots for early days.
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>> i sort of followed him for a distance. i thought he was fascinating a a presidential karnd dat and as a senator. he's been a politician for a long time. what he told pbs news time is nothing we're doing is new, but the fact that we're doing it is new. was that just a bad moment? >> it may have been a combination of all of those things. sam brownback has never been pushed in an election since 1996. and then he's won very easily in every r every election sense. he's not used to jeff green field coming out to talk to him. most are astonished that this race is so close. they have and continue to have -- and pat rob rts has this
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problem, too, rachel, a messaging problem. they iraqi still stuck in the high 30s, low 40s. five weeks to go. they need to pick up the pace and i think you see some of that nervousness. >> dave, thank you very much. all right. there was some really big news that is due to break tomorrow. actually, with the time difference, it's probably going to break late tonight. even though it is not a huge story, it is not getting big headlines yet. we've got a heads up for you on that big story next. >> so nothing we're doing is new. now, it's new that we're doing it. but nothing that we're doing is different than what's been done before. ( whistle bl)ws
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last year, in a police station called chen du, last year there in may, there were calls for a pro-democracy protest. specifically, they called the protest for may 4th. may 4th last year was a saturday. the chinese government does no want there to be pro-democracy proo tests in china anywhere. but they really don't want them there. they've had problems with protests there before.
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five years before that date, exactly on may 4th, five years before, they've had a huge environmental protest that very much embarrassed the local government. so what's an authoritarian government to do. when they realized their old may 4th demonstration with another may fourth demonstration that's happening to come on a forthcoming weekend. what china did is they moved the weekend. they moved the weekend so that saturday, may 4th was now a workday and school day. and the weekend happened, instead, on monday and tuesday that week. protist officially discombobulated. when it comes to stopping peaceful protest, china is not messing and. but it turns out neither are its people.
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part of the deal when britain returned hong kong to china, hong kong and china would be one country, but two systems. people in china, mainland, do not have freedom of speech or freedom to assemble, but people in hong kong, do. eventually, citizens of hong kong would also get to vote for their own local officials. last month, the chinese government reneged on that. they changed the terms. they say said yes, you can have candidates in 2015, but behold that thought. this is drone video taken along hong kong's major highways. last night in hong kong, police armed with tear gas and pepper spray charged the protesters.
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they're calling these the umbrella protests in some cases. dozens of arrests yesterday. the city of hong kong pleaded with protesters to go home. but the protesters are refusing. some responded making the hands up-don't shoot gesture just like the protesters did in the michael brown case. they pulled back a little after the violence yesterday, but the government in china, unsurprisingly, is doing everything they possibly can to prevent anybody else in the mainland from finding out what's going on. they've been shutting down social media sites, including instagram. they're ordering the media to delete any words or descriptions referring to the protests in hong kong. there's been massive censorship, but the u.k. came out in support of the protests. much to the chagrin of the people in china.
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barack obama was elected president of the united states, november 4, 2008. but for two months and 16 days after that, even though we all knew who the next president was going to be, the george w. bush administration was still in charge. so it's a weird interregnum period we have built into our system. and two weeks into that lame duck period of the bush administration, this happened. it was negotiated by the bush
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administration. it was agreed to by the iraqi government. and on november 27, so after our election, but before we had a new president, on november 27, the iraqi parliament ratified this deal. 24 pages long. but the bottom line was very, very clear. all united states forces shall withdraw from all iraqi territory, no later than december 31, 2011, period, full stop. at the very end of the bush administration, in the lame duck period they negotiated this deal that was a binding mandate for all the troops to be gone by the end of 2011. and they did. the deadline was december 31. they were actually gone by december 18, 13 days early. and that is how the american part of the war came to a hardened, eight and a half years after we started it. just because we started that war didn't mean that we could end it, though. after u.s. troops were gone, insurgencies of various kinds kept roiling in iraq. iraq's western neighbor, syria, also started to dissolve into a multi-fron the congress has not authorized the return of troops to iraq, and that is how the american part of the war came to a hardened, eight and a half years after we started it. just because we started that war didn't mean that we could end it, though. after u.s. troops were gone, insurgencies of various kinds kept roiling in iraq.
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iraq's western neighbor, syria, also started to dissolve into a multi-front, gruesome civil war. now, u.s. troops are back in iraq, over 1300 u.s. troops back in iraq right now. they're there at the request the of the iraqi government. the congress has not authorized the return of troops to iraq, but they're there. the longest war in afghanistan now entering the 14th year. the u.s. war in afghanistan is scheduled to come to an end at the end of this year, but in news that seems like it should have received bigger headlines today, we just learned that the obama administration is not ending the war in afghanistan the same way the bush administration planned the end of the war in iraq. this is footage from afghanistan today. the president was sworn in and
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took office today. he will sign an agreement to keep u.s. troops in afghanistan for another decade. aft supposed end of our war. that's the plan. not a peep so far from the u.s. congress on this matter. and it's due to be signed late tonight. so the war in afghanistan is not ending after all, not for 10,000 service members. service members are going to keep deploying there for the next ten years, 10,000 at a time. we're told to expect that the military action in iraq and syria will last for years, indefinitely. so that permanent residual force they couldn't negotiate for now they've got that.
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and apparently, we've got at least ten more years of 10,000 troops in afghanistan as well. this is treated in the news as if this is something to notice, something worked out behind the scenes that you might want to be aware of. not something that we get to make a decision about. are we making decisions about this stuff? or do we just read about it in the paper as a done deal? does congress read about it in the paper as done deal? this is two, maybe three incredibly dangerous war zones for years. and we have no decision making to do at all. under its original schedule for the year, congress was supposed to be at work today. this was supposed to be one of their rare workweeks before they called it off and decided they were going to extend their vacation instead. before congress sent itself home for a 54-day long week. we have been maintaining a whip
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account. despite over 100 members of congress saying they favored a vote, they nevertheless left town without voting. now that they've left town and they're not planning on coming back until after the election, we've started a new whip count of those who are embarrassed. it's a small list. it is bipartisan. but most of all, it's small. you do have to start somewhere, but it is both members of the congress and us the public who have to decide if we make overt decisions as a country about what wars to wage and where troops should serve and whether these things should happen without the political system without the wisdom of what we're doing not only going unanswered and going unasked. amazing. but tonight's breaking news, breaking precisely nowhere is
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10,000 u.s. troops for a decade. they're signing that deal tomorrow. not a peep in washington. that's it for us. good tuesday morning. right now on "first look," a massive pro-democracy protest in hong kong are having a ripple effect on the world economy. secret service under fire. as the white house intruder ran far more ragged inside the executive mansion than originally thought. wild weather leads scientists to glaring examples of global warming. plus, an incredible boat rescue caught on camera. and are you up for this 8,000-calorie breakfast? looks good. well, a very good morning to you. i'm angie goff. it turns out, the man who jumped the white house fence and made it inside the executive mansion got much further than originally thought. we've learned omar gonzalez, who had a knife at the time, ran through the white house into the east room and near the d
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