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that is the ed show for tonight. "politics nation" starts right now. >> good evening. thank you for tuning in. we start with breaking news. secret service director julia pierson resigning after a series of dangerous blunders by the agency including allowing an armed intruder to get inside the executive mansion. today miss pierson told an interviewer, quote, congress has lost confidence in my ability to run the agency. the media has made it clear that this is what they expected. i can be pretty stoic about it, but not really. it's painful to leave as the agency is reeling from a significant security breach. the interim director will be joseph clancy, who was previously in charge of the presidential protective division of the secret service.
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until today, he was director of corporate security for comcast. the parent company of msnbc. let's go live to nbc senior white house correspondent chris jansing. what is the president's reaction? >> reporter: the official statement is that the president accepted julia pierson's resignation, this is their wording. recent and accumulating reports about the performance of the agency required new leadership. but once it was clear that in a series of cases, the president and members of his family were in danger, the situation had really become untenable. and the most recent example, press secretary josh earnest acknowledging that the white house was informed of a breach on september 16th. an armed man with a questionable history on the elevator with the president in atlanta when he went to the cdc. only yesterday they found out about it just before published reports came out. >> only yesterday is when the
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president -- >> reporter: only yesterday. wow. and i pressed him. what is the standard operating procedure if there is a security breach. he said the white house should be notified. you'll remember those who listened to julia pierson's testimony, that she said she briefs the president 100% of the time. she lets him know when there are problems. so i think those things in addition to that appearance before the house oversight committee, just a little more than 24 hours ago that both republicans and democrats criticized so heavily, kind of put the writing on the wall. >> well, there are reports that the first family and the president was furious about what had happened in terms of the intruder. and i would imagine they couldn't have felt so good about just finding out yesterday that he was in the elevator with a guy with a loaded gun who had that kind of back ground. >> if you know what the protocol is, when they go to check out these places, when the advance teams go out, they even check elevator rides.
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everyone is supposed to go through a security check. that everyone should have gone through a magnetometer. clearly if he had a gun, that didn't happen which is what led to some of what we heard yesterday. outrageous, mind-boggling, disgracement, some of the words used. and everything was building against her. we saw a number of mebls of congress including elijah cummings say she would have to go. chuck schumer, nancy pelosi, it was really hard to see how she was going to survive. >> nbc's chris jansing, thank you for your reporting. meantime the man behind this latest security scare at the white house was back in court. today omar gonzalez pleaded not guilty to a three-count federal indictment. a big question is, why didn't the secret service stop gonzalez before september 19th? the day he hopped the fence. on july 19th, gonzalez was stopped by the virginia state
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police who said they found a sawed off shotgun in his car and a map with a line on it, pointing to the white house. police referred the case to the secret service who interviewed gonzalez before letting him go. without any further action. on august 25th, gonzalez was stopped while walking near the south fence of the white house, and carrying a hatchet in his belt. once again, the secret service interviewed him and once again, they let him go. all that happened before gonzalez sprinted his way inside the white house. and it shows there are deeper problems in the secret service. here's what ranking democrat of the house oversight committee elijah cummings told me, even before the resignation. >> they have got to be drastic changes, reverend sharpton. and they have to be made immediately. our president should not have to worry about watching his back when he is trying to deal with
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all of the issues that he's trying to deal with. >> and we just got this video showing president obama's arrival back at the white house just moments ago. you can clearly see numerous secret service agents at work. joining me now is jonathan cape hart of the "washington post." and you spent time as a special agent. thank you both for being here. is not pierson's resignation just the start? >> reporter: yes. it is the start. and i think secretary jay johnson of homeland security, his statement announcing her resignation, i think, did a couple of things that pierson should have done during her testimony yesterday and could have probably saved her job. and that was one, announcing there would be an independent
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review board of panelists who will soon be named, who had an independent outside the secret service review board that will look at the september 19th incident. the fence jumping incident. that board is supposed to give recommendations to the secretary about what is supposed to, what they think should happen to help reform the secret service. white house operation. but also, that board will recommend to the secretary whether a broader review of the secret service should be undertaken. >> yeah. but let me ask you this. you and i have talked a lot in the last several days about this. do you really believe in view of what i outlined just on what has happened with gonzalez in the secret service alone, and the atlanta elevator with the president, do you believe just changing the director of the secret service is enough to fix this and to really correct what's going on with the secret
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service? >> well, simply put, no. just changing the directors is not going to do it. this was a systemic failure. and it is twofold. it is not just what happens at the white house. it is what happened in atlanta. the failures that go much deeper. the idea of having an independent expert panel and look at the white house issue will expand that and look at the secret service in general. it is about the procedures and protocols, applying them as they exist, and expanding them if they must. >> procedures and protocol. expanding if they must. jonathan, the secret service has had a series of incidents over the past five years. in november 2009, there was a security breach with a couple actually crashed a state dinner. in november 2011, shots were fired at the white house. in april 2012, secret service officers were involved in a prostitution scandal in colombia. in march 2014, three agents were single home from a presidential
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trip to amsterdam arrest a night of drinking. and the latest, when a fence jumper made it deep within the white house. why is the secret service so resistant to changes that are so clearly needed, jonathan? >> reporter: that, i'm not sure, revv reynold sharpton. a lot of those incidents that you mentioned, we've learned a lot of other details that showed that the culture of the secret service is such that one of the agents who heard the shots being fired on, during that november 2011 incident, she felt uncomfortable correcting the assumption of her supervisor that shots weren't indeed fired at the white house. so you have that cultural problem. and the other cultural problem which came out yesterday involving the cdc person on the elevator, the armed person on
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the elevator with the president in atlanta. >> let me address that to jack. i'm glad you went there, jonathan. because the other incident from atlanta last month that he is referring to. when the secret service allowed an armed man in an elevator with the president. today the washington examiner reports, the secret service didn't file paperwork on the atlanta incident. managers told agents in atlanta not to file a written report and there was no formal review of the matter. and what chris jansing just reported, the first family wasn't even notified until yesterday. a man with a gun, with a criminal record in the elevator with the president. no report found. the secret service is pushing back on the report. what do you make of this incident overall and the lack of a report? >> well, it is astounding. it truly is. this issue of a culture is
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really critical here. this is not just about the figure head at the top of the heap this is about how they reach up. the average secret service officer, should have the ability, based upon their own experience, reaching up to determine what needs to be done. that must be taken into account. apparently it hasn't at this point. they need the take advantage of those issues. they've had far too many. >> someone raised this to me on my radio show. last year secret service officers, a person killed a woman who attempted to drive on the restricted white house grounds and then led a mad chase around the capitol. they kill her. yet an intruder in the white house was not shot. not even guns were drawn.
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do secret service agents have clear enough guidelines about how to handle these threats? >> that's a very good question. that will come up in the review. i'm almost certain they have called on the new review board to look at the white house operation that the secret service has here. >> ahead, breaking news. a verdict for michael dunn in the loud music murder trial. did the family of jordan davis finally get justice? plus, tracy morgan versus walmart. the star says the store is blaming him for injuries he got when a walmart truck hit his vehicle. also this. today these are the categories. what women want. oh, boy. >> i'll take offensive for 200.
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we the jury find the defendant guilty of first-degree murder. >> news late today in the retrial of michael dunn. a florida jury has found dunn guilty of first-degree murder. for the killing of 17-year-old jordan davis in 2012. it was called the loud music case. dunn was convicted on three counts of attempted murder in february. but that jury deadlocked on the murder charge. not so today. this jury did not accept the
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pipe bombs that they think frein left behind in the woods. they have also had what they call credible sightings have frein within the last 48 hours. police spoke directly to frein at a press conference on yesterday. >> you are clearly stressed. you're significant mistakes. we continue to take your supplies and your weapons stockpiles while you are no doubt weakening, our troopers' resolve is very strong. hunters have been banned from entering the woods. police promise they'll bring the alleged shooter to justice. ron allen is live on the scene in barrett. ron, do police think they are closing in on frein? >> reporter: they say they're closing in on him. they've been saying that for 19 days, however. there is a lot of places for him
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to hide. you can see the woods behind me. it is dense. there are caves, swamps, ravines, very dense terrain this time of year. and it is proving difficult to track him down and keep him confined. over the past few weeks there have been any number of possible sightings. the police raced to that area. they bring helicopters in. they surround the area the best they can with hundreds of officers and try to flush him out. but he is a very experienced person in the wilderness. he is describe as a survivalist. he used to do military re-enactments which involved really getting into the combat mode. not just walking around with like a civil war gun reenacted. the guy is very, very skilled in the woods and the wilderness. and they're having trouble pinning him down and finding him. he also took years to plan this attack and the escape. so now 19 days later, the police keep saying they're closing in but he is still on the run.
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>> so let me ask you, is it the belief of everyone that there are credible sightings and they're closing in? are they saying that so they can relieve some of the obvious fear in the area, and not cause people to continue to panic? i mean, it is 19 days. and if they've had these credible sightings, how come they haven't been able to grab him? >> reporter: because the sightings, they say, reverend, have been 75 to 100 yards in very thick, rugged terrain. then he dashes off or disappears. how credible are they? it is unclear. the bottom line is that they have been responding in a massive way. there are a thousand or more police officers, federal agents in this area. and in a five square mile area who have been spending a lot of time, energy and resources to try to track this guy down and capture or kill him. so whatever they get, they're going after. they're also finding evidence of
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a trail. they found pipe bombs, an ak-47, other items that they say he has left behind. we've benot seen that stuff but they say they're closing in. and people here are very nervous. that's why they banned hunting. there would be hundreds of hunters with bows and arrows coming this saturday. people who run businesses say business is way off. this is a tourist season. people look at the vibrant fall foliage and they're not coming because they're concerned. although it is a relatively small area, five square miles. people are staying away because there's a guy with a gun out there, a sniper. people are on the edge and everyone is hoping it is over soon. >> stand by a moment. i want to bring in msnbc's law enforcement analyst and retired atf agent jim cavanagh. jim, the explosive devices frein has left, what can you tell us
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about them? >> well, those are very unique devices. he is very clever. on the one has not, it is an improvised hand glen axd you see that. those are used for fragmentation like an old world war ii has not grenade. the orange fuse you see, he would light that and toss it like hand grenade. the other side you see wrapped in wire. that's likely a trip wire. what he could do is set it out in front of a position he's in. either like a claymore mine and he could detonate it 25, 50 feet ahead of him. or he could sit across the trail. if an agent or a trooper tripped the wire, it would detonate. so it is designed to hit personnel. it is an anti-personnel improvised grenade. >> you've had experience in
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these investigations and these searches. 19 days seems to me like a long time. and they keep saying they're closing in on him. do police in investigations like that say that to calm people or they wouldn't represent things that aren't credible. i know you've done these searches and you've done some that even lasted longer. like the eric rudolf matter. >> right. a great point, a great question. and ron has been up there really trying to watch everything they're doing and doing some great reporting. i think if you put this in context, like the rudolph case that you mentioned. if we had rudolph squeezed off to a five square mile areaering with would have been totally elated. we spent five years tracking him in the mountains. and as a result, to catch him, he had to come down dumpster diving at a mcdonald when's a patrolman with the murphy pd
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caught him. they're squeezing him down. trying to wear him down. not only physically but mentally. you're wearing him down, squeezing him down until there will be some type of confrontation. the danger is that he starts the confrontation and he gets a long rifle shot. he will use that 308. or one of his booby traps or we emphasized the claymore mines. >> i'm going to have leave it there. ron allen in barrett township, pennsylvania and jim cavanagh. thank you both for your time tonight. coming up, it is the one-year anniversary of the affordable care act going into effect today. and we're celebrating with a little, or should i say a lot of crow tonight. plus, comedian tracy morgan is slamming walmart after the store blames him for a deadly car accident. we're debating this and more ahead.
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polls show most americans agree with the president's strategy on isis but conservatives don't care. they're busy trying to gin up a phony scandal. a conservative group put out a report claiming president obama has tanned just 875 presidential daily intelligence briefs. meaning he's only gone to 42% of them. and the right is freaking out. >> there was the analysis that obama spent more time playing golf than in these intelligence briefings and only went to 42% of the meetings. >> he never misses a golf
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outing. these are things he should be paying attention to. especially during this heightened state of terror. >> is that gunfire g enough for america? good enough for the globe that your national security interests are in the low 40s? >> if we want the president to make sure he gets 100% of his presidential briefings, maybe they should give it to him on a golf cart. >> the only problem, these attacks are a bunch of baloney. the "washington post" debunked that bogus claim and they did it more than two years ago. the post says each president has had his own style of dealing with intelligence briefing. some had cia officials brief them on its contents. but president obama reads it ahead. his morning meeting and come to the meeting with questions. so he doesn't ignore what's in the memo. he reads it himself. but by the right silly standards, guess who the "washington post" says also
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skimmed 99% of the presidential intelligence briefings? president reagan. did all these hot heads think reagan was asleep at the switch, too? i doubt it. but don't hold your breath waiting for an apology now. joining me now, a former pennsylvania governor ed rendell and joe madison. thank you both for being here. >> thank you for having us. >> good evening. you can disagree with the president's policies, but accusing him of ignoring urs intelligence to play golf. isn't that over the line? >> of course it is. this is again symptomatic of this the hatred of the president and they're faced with the fact that americans overwhelmingly, and republicans overwhelmingly agree with what he's doing with isis. did he a brilliant stroke to get the arab coalition together. arabs bombing arabs. he did it brilliantly and they can't deal with it so they come up with something that as you
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say, it's ludicrous. not only did ronald reagan miss 99% of the briefings because he read them all. the president reads them, he writes down questions, in the margins, he sends them back to be answered. and he will do follow-up meetings in the afternoon if it is important. so he is on top of it. he has always been on top of it. this golf thing is ludicrous. and it just makes they will look small. in fact, revv, the one president who tanned almost all the oral briefings was president george w. bush. and when you look at weapons of mass destruction, how did that work out? yeah. it is not just the right wing. paul ryan said he disagreed the decision not to put u.s. troops on the ground.
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>> number one, you should not telegraph to your enemies what you will not do. number two, define the mission, give it to the military and let them do their jobs. don't armchair these generals. >> he is afraid of the commander in chief being an arm care general? >> my reaction is that he is not in step with the majority of the american people. and by the way, based on all the polling that he has done, he's not even in step with the majority of republicans. who honestly think that he is done a good job. all of this just emboldens your enemy. this is the one thing that i cannot understand and refuse to accept. for all practical purposes, we all want the president, we want the country, we want this coalition to succeed. i have never seen a team of people talk against their own
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teammates. and you know, when you think about the fact that, as the governor. george bush, the reason he went to-the majority of the meetings is because he didn't want to read. i mean, that's what he said. i don't want to read them. he wanted it verbally. here you have a president that reads them, writes questions, demands answers, and finally, reverend sharpton, you have to ask yourself. what is this organization? how do they know what is or is not said in a presidential briefing? what are they, a fly on the wall? >> let's go back to that poll. a new "washington post" poll shows most american approve of the president's strategy on isis. check out the gop perspective which joe referred to.
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80% of republicans support u.s.-led air strikes. and 60% support u.s. forces training iraqi troops and coordinating air strikes. so basically, they support what the president is doing. but just 30% of republicans say they support the president's strategy. doesn't that reveal that much opposition is purely political? >> it is political and personal. the higher percent say yes, they support obamacare. it is who had krus. i want to say something about congressman ryan, i am shocked that he would say that. the president is never, i don't care fits president obama, president bush, president reagan, the president is never an armchair general.
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the president is the commander-in-chief. that's the way the framers of our constitution made it. the president makes the final decision on war and what type of war we'll fight. not the generals, not the chiefs of staff, the president. if that wasn't the case when jfk was president, we would have had a nuclear holocaust. the generals wanted to bomb the russians and jfk stopped them. he was a civilian and he knew the consequences. and so congressman ryan doesn't understand the basic tenet of the american constitution. it is a civilian led military. that's what makes us different than most countries in the world. >> are they trying to politicize this before the mid-term elections? >> no ifs, ands or buts. almost everything is being politicized. the sad thing is they don't have the courage to take a stand. they run off, they leave washington, and then they say,
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why don't you call us back? as if they need permission from the president to call them back. and they know that they don't. they don't want to take a stand. they want to kick this can down the road. just in case something goes wrong. that's what's really going on. i'll remind people every opportunity, that's why this election, 2014, is probably a watershed moment. this is one of the most important elections we've had in this entire cycle of the obama administration. >> thank you both for your time tonight. >> thank you. still ahead, tracy morgan is hitting back at walmart for suggesting he is to blame for getting injured in a store truck -- by a store truck in his car. also, outrage over a coax's decision after a devastating hit to a college quarterback. and why are some peel
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thank you for being here tonight. >> thanks for having us. we want to hear what you have to say at home. tweet us your opinion. you can see the banner at the bottom of the screen. we'll have the questions up. tweet us your response using the #talk nation. and we may feature it during the segment. we start with tracy morgan firing back at walmart. the comedian saying he can't believe walmart is blaming him for an accident they caused, saying he was doing nothing wrong. morgan filed a lawsuit after an accident back in june when the limousine that he was in was struck from behind by a walmart delivery truck. morgan claimed walmart was responsible because the driver was awake for more than 24 hours. but this week, walmart blamed morgan for a, quote, failure to properly wear an appropriate available seatbelt restraint device.
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tracy morgan can't believe it. does he have a point? >> it is not his fault of not wearing a seatbelt that this walmart truck rammed the vehicle he was traveling in from behind. and i think the bigger issue here, is walmart's labor practices in general. truckers in california, walmart truckers in california were just granted class action status in a lawsuit about not paying the minimum wage in california. we all know the way walmart treats their workers. i think this is one more example. >> it is even a pr disaster for them. no matter what the law is, they now look like the bad guy in doing this. >> just by having this back and forth. >> just by having the back and forth. >> blaming the victim. >> the one thing to remember is this guy had a 700 mile commute from georgia to delaware. that is also very treacherous. it is bad worker conditions and the guy you don't want to go up against is the guy with the
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audience. tracy morgan has an you had a yenls. >> you don't go after guys with a microphone. >> i remember being in a party bus. i remember saying don't go in front of the line. it was not about the seatbelt. what about the federal jurisdiction and even the state. when we talk about these drivers. is it walmart's responsibility to see if they've been there 24 hours or, you know those weigh stations that you pass on the road? why not do checks there? like a sobriety test. >> it will be interesting to see how it goes to trial. i've not been on party buses. not in a controversy at the university of michigan. where students are calling on firing the athletic director and head football coach. it come four days after the quarterback shane morris suffered a concussion after a brutal helmet to helmet blow, in the game against minnesota. >> he can barely stand up now. >> boy, they've got to get him
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out of the ball game. and i have to tell you now that number 7 is still in this game is appalling. >> after that, morris was sent back into the game despite dazed and obviously injured. the head coach brady hoke held a press conference defending the decision to send him back in. >> i don't make decisions when injuries and that shouldn't be a coach's decision. that's why we have some of the best trainers, some of the best doctors in the country. we want to win football games, we want to mentor kids so they learn great life lessons, and we want to do it representing michigan with high integrity and high character. >> you were at the game. your reaction? >> i was at the game and i know brady hoke. he did not send shane morrison knowing what his status was. brady hoke should lose his job because he's not winning game
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and he hasn't developed this program. what we learned is there was a complete breakdown in protocol. there are doctors and trainers. the head coach, the offensive coordinator, they're not going to see the hits we saw. we saw it. >> the commentator saw it, the fans saw it. >> as soon as that play is over, you're at the defense, the chart to call the play. that's why the doctors and the trainers are. there that was the breakdown. when he went to the bench to get checked out, that helmet should have been taken away the same as in the nfl so he never had a chance to go back in. that's under brady's regime but also the ncaa. the reason you're not hearing from colleges saying fire brady hoke, they're all looking at their protocol now too. >> should the protocol be changed? >> yes. we can even learn from the nfl. we've seen this time and time again. folks that end up with concussions that ruin their lives, not just their careers. these are folks not being paid. we can get into college sports
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and whether or not athletes should be paid. >> even before that brutal hit to the head, the commentators were saying you have to pull him out. the reason he was so susceptible to that hit was because his ankle was injured and he was in danger before that happened. they saw it coming. >> this is football. and there are injuries that players will want to play through. whether we like it or not as people -- >> but is it the player's responsibility? there's so much pressure on them. >> forcing people to go with injuries. and we're talking here about college football. we're not talking about pros. they're not even getting paid. >> when you're talking about an ankle injury. there is davis they say between being injured and hurt. and one that can actually cause you career time and the difference between what your pain threshold. i watched him. he wanted to stay in the game and his limping got better as he went back. he should have been pulled. he was ineffective also and you should have had the third string quarterback ready to go. >> let me go to the next one.
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i'll take outrage for a thousand, alex. is jeopardy in jeopardy? the game show is talking a lot of things, but taking a lot of heat after featuring this category. >> these are the categories. what women want. oh, boy. >> oh boy is right. let's hear the answers. >> a pair of jeans that fit well like the 525s from this brand. katherine. >> what are levis? >> that's right. they had a cup of this herbal tee from celestial seasonings. >> what is sleepy time. >> good. >> a pair of jeans? sleepy time tea? what else do women want? >> what women want. >> some help around the house. would it kill to you get out the
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bissell bagless canister one of these every once in a while? >> what is a vacuum cleaner? >> a vacuum cleaner? one woman tweeted, question, this tv program still thinks the year is 1955. answer. what is jeopardy. >> another woman said, what women want is equal pay. what is the right to make my own health decisions? >> for a smart show you just got seriously stupid. angela, was it offensive or are people just looking to criticize? >> no. this was more than offensive. and i think highly problematic. we've been talking about equal pay all year, if not forever, right? i'll take 77 cents on the dollar. that should have been the next category. it was so ignorant. i can't believe that someone who has been as pc as alec.
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>> the answer was levi jeans. when was the last time you wore levi jeans? >> at least if you're going to be sexist -- >> the fact there were women answering, they didn't seem offended. >> they were trying to make the money. they have to make that 77 cents. >> they're trying to make up for that. >> he's had an issue in the past where he's been shocked that women were winning. when a man wins, it's normal. >> i got the opportunity to launch an all women's sports show yesterday. the first ever done nationally. and we talk about how -- >> no men? all women? >> i'm looking to protest that. thank you to this great panel. thank you all. we'll be right back. your customers, our financing.
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everyone knows the pain of breast cancer. you might know a family member, a friend, or a co-worker suffering. this year more than 230,000 women and 2,000 men will be diagnosed with breast cancer in america. more americans are surviving more than ever before. and part of the reason is because of the fight and spirit in america. this morning, the "today" show launched a pink power series. for awareness. the plaza was packed with survivors, including one famous fighter. joan lunden. in june she was diagnosed with breast cancer. her "people" magazine cover appearing bald. so inspired so many to lose their wigs. this morning she talked about her decision. >> at first, i kept going back and forth. i have children who are 9 and 11
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and were they going to be embarrassed? were they going to have someone say, gee, is your mommy dying? and i kind of talked myself out of it. i need to be the lioness. the mommy first. wait a second, this would be out of character for joan lunden not to do this. my children came and got on the bed and i said i have a decision to make. it is a national magazine which means everyone will see it. and you guys haven't even seen me with no hair. they haven't seen me bald. >> how come? >> i don't run around the house that way. i guess it says i'm afraid it will shock them or make them -- i don't want them to worry that i'm going on die. i'm beating this. we're doing this. we're losing our hair in order to live and survive and be there for our families and our husbands and our kids. that's a whole different ball of wax. >> this is courage. and this is inspiring to everyone fighting this fight
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together. you know what's also inspiring? the 2.8 million survivor stories out there. thanks for watching. i'm al sharpton. "hardball" starts right now. she's out. let's play "hardball." >> the axe has fallen. a washington ritual of blame, attack and execution has run its course. julia pierson, director of the secret service has resigned. it turns out unendurable weeks heading an agency that nobody believes stands up to its historic legacy. it came last night with the "washington post" report that an armed man with a criminal
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