concerned for his life. at this time, it's coming together. >> more than a dozen people had direct contact with duncan in the u.s. that includes five children who attend various schools around dallas. there are others that are considered to be low risk or no risk at all. >> our public health officials have very old, long standing, tried and true methods for containing an outbreak. >> now, so far, none of them are showing any ebola symptoms. that is good news. but as we have been saying, it could take three weeks for the first signs to even show up. duncan himself did not start showing symptoms until nine days after he was potentially exposed. the "new york times" says duncan helped an infected woman on september 19th, she died a few hours later. another person who helped move her also died. and four days after being exposed, duncan boarded a flight to the u.s. at the time, he showed no symptoms so no one was contagious, obviously. but before boarding he was asked if he'd been exposed.

he must have answered, no, because now officials are vowing to prosecute him alleging e ini lied on the health forms. there's also a legal order keeping duncan's family at home. >> it was learned that the family had allowed guests to come into the house even after this crisis began. >> and another potential scare in hawaii is over. the cdc says the patient does not fit the ebola profile. we are awaiting an update from dallas. and the pentagon and state department are also about to lead a panel discussion on combatting the outbreak in west africa. we start, though, in washington with nbc's tom costello. and tom, you are the airline's expert. passengers are now being told to be cautious. but there's no hard restrictions in place as of now. >> no, i think it's important to note that they're not really being told to be cautious about an existing threat. and united airlines is reaching out to everybody who is on those two flights that united

operates, one from brussels to washington-dulles and dulles over to dallas. just advising them, listen, there was a patient onboard who later exhibited the symptoms for ebola but did not exhibit those symptoms when he was on the plane. the cdc has been very clear that the risk would appear to be zero in their words that he was contagious when he was on those planes because he was asympt asymptomatic. but they say it's the right thing to do to let everybody be aware of the situation and telling them if they feel the need to contact the cdc, they can certainly do so. as it relates to now determining, exactly who might be at risk, that really is happening in dallas with the dallas health authorities and with the hospital there. it's not really a big concern as it relates to the airlines right now. >> nbc's tom costello, thank you as always. and joining us from cdc headquarters steve monroe deputy director of the national center for emerging and infectious

diseases. thank you very much for being with us. >> it's my pleasure. thank you. >> your teams at the cdc can have the best protocols in place, but as we recently learned in dallas, that doesn't matter if hospitals don't end up following them. we realized there was a potential for a case to show up anywhere in the u.s. so we've worked to put out guidance so all hospitals in all parts of the country are prepared to recognize a case and to act appropriately if they do determine somebody -- >> if you're asking folks, hey, have you been exposed? and everyone's saying, no, it seems pro forma. do you know are there cases where folks have self-reported, i have been exposed and turned around. >> there have been a number of what we would call persons under investigation where people have traveled to the region and had symptoms, maybe just a fever. but in further follow-up asking them what kinds of exposure to

have, it turns out they didn't have any reasonable exposure and so there was no further testing. we have tested samples from about 15 different people who had some level of risk to see if they might have been exposed. and in all cases up until this one in dallas, those samples were negative. >> another aspect in terms of our coordinated response here in the u.s. is the fact that we haven't had a surgeon general in place in over a year due to some political insight, infighting and opposition from the nra. i asked dr. paul farmer who is chief of the division of global health equity in boston if that mattered. and he said right now we need -- >> can you repeat the question? i can't hear the question any longer. >> can you hear us, dr. monroe? you know what, we're going to come back to you. officials are in dallas right now giving an update on the situation. let's listen in. >> to embed there, as well.

we have the top doctor in the world, the top ebola doctor in the world here on the ground. he's embedded in another group at presbyterian. we got a good team of experts and people in place. and i want to stress to you that the people that are here assisting the great work that's already been done by our local health department and our local agencies are people that i and our dallas county health and human services worked well with and mayor rollings and others have worked well with. we have a high degree of confidence in those people to assist us in this action. dallas county will act as the lead agency. but when it comes to planning those decisions will be made with the advice and council of

our partners from the cdc. and the state, the department of state health services. like weiss, i want to get the input as we go forward and continue our strong partnership with the city of dallas, disd and other agencies and groups in the dallas county. the hospitals all hospitals are represented through their agents over there at the incident command and we're moving quickly to continue and expedite the investigation and surveillance into these matters. couple of things and i'm going to turn it over to someone. last night, we placed orders on a family. we did that after balancing many

things. we do not intend to have to do that again. but there's nothing more important than keeping you safe. and that -- based on the information we had which i will not be publicly disclosing to you today, it was clear to me, a democrat and governor perry a republican and everyone who looked at that information that the cdc, we laid it out for them. that the actions that we took while unusual were appropriate. and they're there to come to, you know, for the safety of the family as well as the safety of the public. we have some hygiene issues that we are addressing in that apartment. this is a fluid situation. we have a contractor, there are protocols that have to be followed to clean and to take care of the things that need to be taken care of in there.

we have a contractor who will be there as soon as possible and will take care of those issues that are of concern to dr. lakey and myself and our health department. we have food, we have delivered several days of food to that apartment. those people in the apartment are part of -- part of dallas county. and they're going to be treated with the utmost respect and dignity in this unusual situation. dr. lakey and i -- are going to reach out and put our eyes on that. and i want to commend jennifer for her incredible work with that neighborhood.

i realize that if you live anywhere near that neighborhood, you're nervous now, that the science hasn't changed overnight. this is not like the flu, it's not something where it spreads broadly through the community. you can only get sick, you only contract it from someone who is having symptoms. and remember that the only person who had symptoms is mr. duncan who is in the hospital. and no one who has been around mr. duncan during the time that he has been similymptommatic ha shown any indication of having contracted ebola or being sick from any other, you know, related illness. so this is a matter that we have a high degree of confidence we can control.

and we are working to get the response, which has been a good response strengthened, you know, every hour of the day. let's see if there's anything else. oh, on the incident command, the name of the person that's going to be incident commander for us is chief doug bass. he is our emergency management chief. he is not going to be available for interviews for y'all. their job at incident command is to gather information and get tasks done that are given to them as the policy is laid down for them. and they are busy doing that. very busy doing that. and there's not going to be time for them or for any of our section chiefs in this unified command to give interviews for

the next few days. my chief of staff will head up the pios there and will have a joint communication with the city and disd and others and we'll try to get that information out as close to realtime as we can so that you can get that information to the public. we want to be as transparent as we can be. and we want to have the public's confidence. and we know the best way to have the public's confidence is to earn that confidence every single day. and we're going to do everything we can to do that. i see dr. theresa daniel. you should come up here because you're more than welcome to come up here. and the county commissioner's court, the sheriff, all your county elected officials and department heads are working

hard, they're working together, they're providing support, same thing with the city and the school district. and with that, and we're going to take questions from you. with that, i'm going to turn it over to -- who is getting the band back together, dave is here again. so, dave, you want to say a few words from the cdc? >> hi, i'm dave with the centers for disease control and prevention. thank you very much, judge. first of all, i want to tell you we're really happy to be here. we're invited by the state and the county and the city and we get to work with them on this investigation and do the contact tracing. so we have a team of about ten folks. and it's ten folks here on the ground, but you have to keep in mind, cdc is literally hundreds of folks back in atlanta while working emergency operations center, working different teams like lab and epi. and approximately over 130 folks deployed in west africa doing the same contact tracing work we're doing here.

and we're fortunate that several of the team -- several folks on our team here in dallas have experience in west africa. so we are -- we are doing exactly that, we're working with the county. we're going to do contact tracing. we're going to divide up in two teams. one team will stay at the hospital. the other team is what we call a community team and working once again with our partners. we'll do community. the formal contact tracing where i think you've heard already there's a list of about 100 potential contacts. and that will be called down to a list that will begin the contact tracing on. and so, once again, it's great to be here, thanks for having us. and i think probably do questions later and i'll get out of the way. >> you've been watching update from officials in dallas on that ebola outbreak. again, there is one patient still being treated at texas health presbyterian hospital. officials stressing they will do everything possible to keep residents safe.

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president obama just wrapped up an economic speech outside of chicago. but he has been largely silent on the series of missteps that led to the resignation of secret

service head julia pearson. you saw that break during our show on wednesday. and now 24 hours removed, we know there's about to be a new person in charge, that would be interim head joseph clancy who starts on monday. and he is no stranger to the agency. he served each president since bill clinton, including president obama. but even before he begins, clancy is already under the microscope from critics who argued that an outsider needs to be brought in. nbc's kristen welker is at the white house. and kristen, tell us how is the administration responding to that particular criticism? >> he has worked, headed up, worked comcast for the past three years. so he does bring to some extent a fresh perspective to what a lot of people see as sweeping problems within the agency. having said that, he has a lot of experience, as you point out. he's a 30-year veteran. he's been involved in

presidential security dating all the way back to bill clinton. i just spoke with one of his former colleagues that says he knows how every alarm function appears at the white house. he is the right person to come in and to fix this problem and improve security. of course he's going to be under a lot of scrutiny. congressman cummings and issa, both on the same page, saying he's a good pick. he's someone with the trust of the first family, protected president obama. that is important, as well. i just spoke with congressman issa about that, he says that's a key factor. he's expected to come in to hit the ground running. he's someone who has not completely evaded the controversy himself. he was, in fact, ahead of the presidential detail in 2009 when that reality tv couple tsalahis

crashed the state dinner. i have asked the friends and colleagues about that, they say it's not disqualifying. i've been speaking to my sources here at the white house. he does start on monday. and he has called for a briefing to really bring him up to date on the changes that have been made since this latest security breach. and, again, the expectation is he's going to hit the ground running. baaing to you guys. >> all right. kristen welker at the white house, thank you so much. >> and let's bring in editorial director and msnbc political analyst howard fineman. good day to you. >> hi, ari. >> you look the a this issue, obviously everyone can take some solace here in there being a turn and change of leadership. but when you look at the challenge for the administration, howard, it's not over. they have a report now that's going to come out in december on the wider, potentially systemic issues here beyond staff changes. and from their perspective, this

is obviously high-risk, low-reward. they're going to have to revisit this again. what else do they have to do? >> well, they're facing what is essentially less a matter of intruders and imminent danger than it is a very naughty bureaucratic problem with security bureaucracy doubling it. the logic of security is endless, the logic of of bureaucracy is endless. don't forget the secret service was taken out of one department and put under of another department. that's a problem. the security world as a whole has grown enormously. in competition for savvy young recruits. for something like the secret service is much more difficult than it used to be. it's hard to train and maintain those people. and i think there was a morale problem as a result of multiple controversies, the departure of the former head of the secret service mr. sullivan.

julia pearson who came in was his chief of staff, that clearly was not a big enough change. i think mr. clancy, who i've met. i've seen him on the trail over the years, he will reassure, if nothing else, first of all, he will reassure the obama family itself. including michelle obama who everybody says has been absolutely furious about the various lapses over the last few years and understandably so. he'll reassure them. and then i think he knows where the bodies are buried. he knows the problems at the secret service having been out of it for a while. he may be the right guy if he's tough enough. and i think he is based oen what i've seen of him on the campaign trail. >> if we know anything about the inner workings of the obama family, the last person in that family we want furious with you is mama bear michelle, especially when talking about the health and security of her kids. >> she has two teenage daughters. teenage daughters there. >> yeah. but, you know, the secret service has problems that i wonder if are greater than

hiring a new person. the secret service under obama is dealing with three times the threats they got with any other president. and they're dealing with them with 500 fewer folks because of budget cuts. these are structural challenges that changing the leadership can't address. >> well, two things i would say. first of all, as they say in the military, they talk about detooth to tail. there's a high tail ratio. the number of people actually on the street hasn't necessarily. and, again, that's the combination of security and bureaucracy. so that -- that's part of the problem. and i also think in the case of what happened on the white house lawn, it was just very poor execution, lack of oversight, lack of focus. and the other thing is, the secret service still has other functions besides protecting the president. they still have some other residual functions from long ago

in their history they need to get rid of it. and it needs to become what it should be, which is tied closely to the fbi to the cia. you know, the secret service itself is not going to do all of that scanning of possible terror threats, of possible intrusions in the white house. and the secret service is on an island of its own and not fully plugged in. that's one of the reasons they put it in the department of homeland security which is, itself, a colossal mess. >> the reason we know about all of these incidents because of people inside the secret service agency. we likely would not know otherwise. and that is a clear sign to me that they're honored to serve the president but it can be very tough at times, very frustrating job and not easy to talk to the higher ups about somebody you might disagree with. these are deep rooted structural problems i think we were all alluding to here. i think you'll see more stepping down than just the director. >> they'll see what mr. clancy's

willing to do. in my sense over the years is increasingly, it's been a very troubled place to work. that there's lots of internal dissension. lots of finger pointing. look at the absolute flood of leaks out of the secret -- out of the secret service to the hill. and i'm sure we're going to hear more stories over the days ahead. and that's something that also has to be cleaned up. the last thing we want, and the president needs is for people to be leaking stories about what the secret service does and doesn't do. what the numbers are. i mean, there was a story in the paper today that talked about a request for 100 countersurveillance people around the white house. what's that kind of detail doing in the newspaper? >> right. and do we know if it was a leak or a whistle blower? i don't think that has been confirmed. >> well, in this case, i think it's one in the same. i think it's one in the same thing. >> howard fineman. thank you very much for walking us through a tough and important story here. >> thank you. up next, we're going to take you right to hong kong where

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cycling right now. a critical deadline has come and gone in the umbrella resolution. protesters in hong kong, throngs of young people demanding democracy. they gave the head of the government until this afternoon to step down. if not, they've threaten to occupy government buildings. he says he's not leaving. and the protesters, well, they are saying the same thing. susan lee is in hong kong. >> some high drama tonight in hong kong with 30 minutes to go until the deadline for him to resign or they're threatening to storm government buildings. and possibly surround his personal residence. has come out with a concession of sorts in an 11th hour press conference. he's now offering his number two in his cabinet, number two in the hong kong government to meet

immediately with student protesters. he will allow peaceful protests from students there on the street. anyone storming the government buildings will be dealt with. still has a cache of pepper spray, rubber bullets and tear gas. now, initially in reaction to the press conference, the crowds will meeting it with jeers and boos. but after a while of taking it in and thinking it through, it looks like there has been a possible fine between the two sides. protesters have decided to go home. and some are now allowing cars to get through. whether or not this has a long lasting peace remains to be seen in the next 24 hours. that should be interesting. and we will be closely watching the markets as they get back to business tomorrow after two days of closures. and the lowest in three months,

for the next 24 hours, should be interesting in hong kong. >> susan li in hong kong, thank you very much for that. another huge global story today involving a potentially major development in the fight against isis. turkey has joined the u.s.-led coalition, the only muslim state to sign on so far. and they have good reason. militants took over another syrian town today right on turkey's border beheading civilians who stood in their way. up until now, kurdish fighters and u.s. air strikes along the border have not slowed isis down at all. millions of refugees continue to pour into turkey from syria. and it's that pressure that has prompted the turkish government to act. don't expect them to go all in. the minister warning our ann curry what could happen if they did. >> what would be syria's response if turkish troops cross the border? >> this is very dangerous. this is very dangerous. and will start a war that will never end. >> for more on what we can expect from turkey, we welcome

back retired lieutenant colonel michael kay who is currently an international reporter and former adviser to the uk ministry. turkey is joining, tepidly joining our so-called coalition. what military capability does that give us now that they're in? >> i think that's the key question. i think turkey's geographic disposition alone makes it one of the most strategically important partners within the coalition. militarily, what does it bring? it brings -- basically means we can take our jets, we can put them in there. that reduces transit times. what the jets are doing is the thing called dynamic targeting. what that is the combination of using precision-guided munitions with time sensitive intelligence. they'll sit in what's called a support stack and when they get the intelligence, they'll go in and hit a convoy. what this means by having turkey allow to use the air bases, the transit time will be reduced and the loiter times will be increased. that's strategically important. but we've got to think outside

the box here in terms of wholistic approach to destroying isis. it's not going to be three military air strikes alone. and if you look in terms of the proximity, it's the recruitment of isis who i think turkey can be really important here. getting their borders secure and understanding the networks that exist that allow the fighters coming through europe and all over the world in through those borders in turkey. so i think that's the place where they're going to really make a dent into this islamic state. >> one of the complicating factors here and one of potentially the reasons why turkey has been reluctant to get more involved is the relationship with their own kurdish population, which they've worked hard to keep in the fold as they've wanted more autonomy even wanting to secede. and if turkey gets involved here, they're essentially working with the kurds and they're essentially backing the kurds. speak of it that to that relationship. >> that's brilliant analysis. nothing within this region is simple, is it? and one of the big things we've seen since 1984 is the kurds within turkey wanting their own self-rule. and they've been doing that

through a rebel group called the pkk. now, a similar sort of existence also occurs in syria. you've got the pyd, which is a kurdish group in the northern part of syria, which won that independence, as well. now, there's a notion that turkey have which is turkey effectively are accusing the islamic state who are attacking the kurds, or basically attacking turkey. they're accusing it all of coming around and eventually giving the kurds that self-rule within that region. so it's all joined, if you like. and so there's got to be the splitting up of the relationship of what the kurds want, a relationship between the prime minister and turkey, the kurdish, within iraq, syria and turkey itself. and then the islamic state. and we've got to pull those apart. otherwise it gets complex. >> and a lot of it goes to the objectives are. george w. bush weighing in. he's saying isis is just like al qaeda. take a listen. >> obviously, we're still in iraq.

the presence isn't as significant as 2009. but we're there. and now we've got pilots in harm's way. dealing with a group of ideologues who murder the innocent. same exact modus operandi. >> he's saying there's evil in the world. but to me, that isn't the strategic import of battling isis. boko haram and other groups murder innocents in brutal ways. seems one big difference with isis versus al qaeda, they don't have designs on attacking the west, our targets, our homeland yet at least before we engage them. >> yeah. i think that's absolutely right. but what i would, again, pull apart is the al qaeda have taken many years to get to a position where they have various affiliates around the world. but also, especially in the arabian peninsula that have a

specific mandate to attack the west. isis don't have that yet. i don't think it's unfeasible for five years time, ten years time if we don't nip it in the bud to develop those relationships. and one of the keys is making sure al qaeda and their network and isis and their growing network don't sinnynergize. severe weather is ramping up in america this afternoon and so is our storm cycle. the coverage comes next.

and in the storm cycle right now, we are watching thunderstorms, strong and severe across the middle of the nation. and pushing eastward as we head throughout the rest of this afternoon. and also, overnight tonight, as well. st. louis, you're under a severe thunderstorm watch until 9:00 tonight as it slides to

southwestern missouri including joplin, missouri, you're watching until 8:00, and dallas, you should a severe thunderstorm watch. ft. worth until 9:00 tonight. in fact, we're seeing a thunderstorm just to the west of ft. worth now going severe quickly. and these will be moving into the dallas area affecting travelers and also plenty of lightning out here. getting the kids off the bus stop, football, practice, soccer, baseball practice, all things impacted by lightning and more storms going severe across eastern oklahoma and pushing into missouri, even little rock, and st. louis storms popping up, going severe to the west and southwest. headed your way and in chicago, rain showers, severe weather should be south of you. but green bay, football game tonight, could see rainy and wet weather for that game. but lots of lightning with this system. now we time this out tonight, everything is pushing east. behind it, much colder fall-like weather on the way. we can see strong damaging winds in the entire line. the ohio valley and the southeast. we can't rule out tornadoes. but definitely, damaging winds,

lightning, the biggest threat with these lines as we head throughout tonight. crystal, back to you. >> the weather channel's paul goodloe. thank you for the update. and turning now to a tragic story. 32-year-old maria fernandez did not deserve to die. the new jersey mother did exactly that in our car last month. what was she doing there? well, she was taking a nap during a break from her job at dunkin donuts. she worked three jobs to try to support her family. so this was the only time and place that she could actually catch some sleep. she left the car running and fumes from a gas can in her trunk killed her while she was sleeping. sleeping in a car wasn't what she wanted. it was the choice she made for her family. our next guest knows all about these kinds of tough choices. a mother of two, struggled daily to make ends meet. and she wrote an essay last year called "why i make terrible decisions or poverty thoughts." and it went viral. over 6 million people in a new

book, "hand to mouth: living in boot strapped america." and glad to have you at the table. thanks for being with us. >> thank you. >> one of the things i took from the article, both incredibly well written and so important, i think. one of the things i really took is how dehumanizing it is to be poor. speak to that. >> you see with this woman here died in her car, right? where her decisions were constricted to the point where that was the best decision she could make. and it actually killed her. the fact that we are forced to make those decisions that there are millions of americans, almost a third of americans that are working class or below, we don't make decisions about the day, we're going to go to work, do what we're told and go to our

next shift, do what we're told. in the meantime, we're going to be trying to make sure we can make our electric bill, we're going to be calculating how many hours we're going to get, right? calculating how much money we make in tips and are we going to have enough money at the end of the day? how are we going to get home from work? do we have bus fair? who is taking care of the kids? what if we need to stay an extra hour? those decisions take up our bandwidth, right? and when we have that happen, we're not able to live to our potential. and that's restricting about being poor. >> and you writing about this, obviously something that so many people can relate to. i want to read something, part of your book that i think was why it went viral. you write, we all cope in our own special ways. i smoke, my friends drink, come home from a long day at work. you pop open a beer or bag of potato chips or take a volume when you're feeling stressed out or get a massage or go to the gym and sit in a sauna room. why are other people's coping mechanisms better than poor people's?

retail therapy is a recognized course of treatment for upper class and poor people do not have the luxuries. they have to make tough and sometimes bad choices. >> yeah. and the question is are the choices bad. if your choice is terrible or worse, and you pick terrible, was that a bad decision or the one you have available to you? and like i took a lot of hits for smoking. what's interesting about that, so many people self-medicate pau because we can't go to the doctor. is there a difference in upper class and lower classes really except for what it looks like? you know, the coping mechanisms with the rich are prettier. and therefore more acceptable. >> you talk about how being poor is emotionally draining. >> yes. >> intellectually draining and it's also expensive in and of itself. >> yes. you can go to costco and pick up, you know, the megabulk roll of toilet paper, right? but if you don't have enough money to buy all that toilet paper at once, you're at the

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online. one of the groups calls themselves occupy pedophilia. b garden variety homophobia. >> we've been inside the vigilante gangs who catch gay men for sport. [ speaking foreign language ]

>> it's hard to watch, but we have to watch because we have to know. hunted, the war against gays in russia airs on hbo on monday. good on you for getting in there and staying in there in a moment which is difficult for you personally. this gang says they're trying to save the children of russia from pedophiles, but they're really not. what are they really trying to accomplish? >> there is a rising tide of violence against gay people in russia and it's incredibly disturbing and that's why we made this film in order to highlight the issue and show it to the world the kind of attacks that gay people are suffering in russia. these groups, these vigilante groups actively seek out gay people, lure them and then humiliate them, a ak them publicly out them, just trying to do everything they can to destroy their lives and the sad

reality is that these groups, they believe that they're acting on behalf of the russian people and they believe that they have the support of the russian authorities. >> even if you sympathize with gays in russia. you are almost treated the same. >> that's right. it's a very difficult situation and we filmed with a lady who is a teacher who is trying to speak out and trying to promote human rights and promote the rights of gay people and she, too, has been a target. >> ben, how are you able to on get access to these gangs to let them come along and see everything that they were doing? >> well, because they're proud of what they do and because they believe that they're doing the right thing. on one level, they want to tell people what they're doing and of course, they're posting these. >> they want the cameras. >> promoting their cause through social media. >> as an outsider when i came to them they were skeptical and there was a degree of mistrust, but i speak russian and i am here to explain that i'm here in russia to understand their point

of view and to portray it to the world and let the audience make up their own minds about whether it's right or wrong. >> that redhead we just showed is the leader of occupy pedophilia, a truly stand-out character and a truly evil person. what is going with her? >> well, you know, that's a really good question. you know, the hate that she feels is deeply disturbing and it was really intense being in that room at the time. i was extremely frightened for the young man that they lured there and even when i was ordered to stop filming and instructed to put the camera down i kept will rolling because it's important for the world to see the unfiltered truth of what's going on and i felt like it was a break on the violence that by filming i was offering him some support. >> what sort of techniques do they use to bring these men in to essentially entrap them some. >> they're going online. gay people face a lot of hostility in russia so it's hard to meet people and particularly

in rural communities, very few gays are openly out. so the internet is the friend of people who want to meet other people. >> it just breaks your heart. it is so hard to watch. when you look at this moment in russia with foreign policy and with this approach to ukraine and the olympics where issues around homophobia and mistreatment of gays came up. >> yeah. >> how much of your view and your reporting here reflects natural, organic homophobia that simply exists because of the nature of the society at this point in time and how much of it reflects a top-down part of the putin regime and the way that they've sought to find scapegoats and deflect from many of their own failings at home. >> sure. it's a two-stage answer which is that there is widespread homophobia, unfortunately in russia because gay people have yet to be accepted, but of course, it serves putin's

interest to scapegoat this group. he's clamping down on human rights in general and by attacking gay people he's both able to kind of get a political easy win because in a way he's doing what people want, but he's also furthering his own aims in saying, look, i'm doing -- i'm scapegoating these people. >> did you feel yourself ever in personal danger when you're in the midst of this gang and they're all revved up about to beat this guy up and you're there filming it and they're back and forth with camera down and you're still putting the camera up? >> yeah. i mean, it was intense and it was a terrifying experience being in the room with 13 guys who are all pumped and ready for violence and inflicting violence. part of me wanted to intervene. >> i'm sure, but you know, i'm not sure if that would have been practical or sensible and i felt that by filming i was offering a greater protection. >> what do you hope people take -- it is so hard to watch and it's heartbreaking, but

there's nothing we can do sitting here watching this film. >> in a funny way, watching the film is part of the solution because by encouraging your friends and family to watch the film you're taking on board the issues and it hits home this film and it makes it more emotionally resonant and it will stay with you as a viewer and it's shining a light on the problem is a start to try to combat the problem. congratulations. it's a fantastic film, ben. i hope a lot of people watch "hunted. gays in russia." more after this. you're driving along,

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