>> great to be here. >> that is all for now. i'll see you back here tomorrow at 4:00 p.m. eastern. "the ed show" is up next. good evening, americans, and welcome to "the ed show." live from new york, let's get to work! student loan debt is at an all-time high. >> student loans -- >> like a graduate tax. >> whether college is worth the price of admission. >> we only finished paying off our student loans about eight years ago. >> [ bleep ] college experience because you may be paying for it for the rest of your life. >> they want a fair shot at an affordable education. >> more and more takers than makers in america. ♪ ♪ >> good to have you with us today, folks. thank for watching. >> i want to start with a subject that i think a lot of people, parents and kids can relate to. next week i'm going to be in iowa and in south dakota.

a couple of reasons, these are cheap senate seats that i think the democrats have got a real good chance at winning, with the controversies that are unfolding in south dakota and it being a three-way race in the sb-5 immigration issue that's going on there and the former governor mike brown who is wrapped in that whole thing, i know you don't know about it. what's he talking about? it's a big issue there on the prairie. no question about it. it could swing the senate race. i want to go find out if it will, and i want to hear what people say in south dakota. in iowa we have the biggest tea party candidate of all tea party candidates in joany ernst and she is leading bruce bailey. how could that be? this guy is for minimum wage. he is for student loan correction. he's for workers' rights. he's for health care. all of the basics that families

care about, but for some reason there must be some kind of political exhaustion or deflation that's taken place across america and maybe the issues just aren't big enough. so what do the democrats have to do to rile up the base? everybody is talking about, it's not going to be a good turnout? how do you know? how do you know. the signs are that traditionally it might not be but, the issues are so intense right now and the squeeze on american families and the middle class are still as strong today as it was in 2012. the issues are still the same and even more intense so why wouldn't there be a greater turnout? liberals, why would you want to give an opportunity for the radicals to take over the senate? it's the $64 question right now, so i thought tonight i would start with a subject that hits home on every kitchen table and

every 20 something and every 40 something can relate to, and it's that bill they get every month and the damn college loan that keeps haunting them and they can't have another kid because of the expenses and they can't do their life because they're strapped with that monthly payment. you know, america, i believe we can do anything we want to and we have proven that in recent years. america has come a long way in the last six years. let me put it to you this way. we were on the verge of total financial collapse. total collapse. you never hear anybody talk about that. in the past six years you just roll it back to september and october of 2008. our economy was crumbling by the hour, by the minute. it was the beginning of the great recession. it could have been a depression.

it could have been a total loss of our financial resources had the american taxpayer not stepped up. that's where we were. senator kent conrad was in the senate budget committee. he's no longer in the senate. he was one of the very few that was called into a room, and i will always recall the story he couldn't believe what he was hearing. he couldn't believe where we were as a country when it comes to crisis, but what did we do some we pulled out of it it between september 26th and october 10th, the dow lost 2700 points. that means the market had dropped 24% in 14 days. the the country was in a panic. no one was knowing where this was going to go. confidence was at an all-time low. 159,000 jobs were lost in september 2008 and the evening news, it was not a pretty sight. >> meltdown. the american financial system is

rocked to its foundation as top wall street institutions topple under a mountain of debt. >> overseas markets tumbled this morning amid word that one of the world's largest investment firms lehman brothers is filing for chapter 11 bankruptcy. >> the sixth biggest point drop in history. >> the u.s. stock under pressure as people worry about the ripple effect of the lehman bankruptcy. >> this is one of the ugliest days i have ever seen in my career. >> they're calling this the biggest shake-up in financial markets since the great depression. >> certainly the largest financial disaster in decades in this country and perhaps the end of an era in american business. >> pretty rough out there. lehman brothers, what do you know about them? lehman brothers, don't they go back to before the civil war? yeah. that's right. lehman brothers. you know, they went through the industrial revolution. lehman brothers went through world wars, vietnam, the gulf

war. lehman brothers went through a lot of stuff. big fixture. they couldn't hang in there. that's how bad it was. an american institution on wall street absolutely crumbled and an institution that had been around since the civil war. lehman brothers, everybody knew lehman brothers and they didn't make it. it's important to remember that criminal activity on wall street led to the 2008 collapse. everyone who fell on tough times had these guys to blame. meanwhile, the government didn't prosecute anybody on wall street. hell, we helped them out. we bailed these anyways out with a big check. you taxpayers out there. me, included. on october 3, 2008, our government bailed out the financial system. president obama signed the emergency economic stabilization act of 2008. he had to do it. the bailout provided $700 billion of your taxpayer money to wall street big banks plus

much more was spent in the following months and thankfully it worked. basically, this is what we did so they could open their doors and function the next day. we did that. the economy since then has seen 54 straight months of private sector job growth. over 10 million private sector jobs have been added and that's a turnaround. wall street is doing better than ever and yeah, we've had a couple of rocky days and the dow jones hitting record highs over 16, 17,000 and it's a far stretch since march 6, 2009, when we were just over 6500, 6626, to be exact. big banks and wall street today are doing just fine. their numbers are just fine today. the numbers don't lie. the problem is this. you folks out well in the middle of the country who have a chance

to have a say in all of this for some reason seem to be politically exhausted because you have been left behind, because you haven't seen the kind of growth of wall street and the financial institutions and the insurance industry. middle-class americans aren't feeling the recovery. gosh, that was an interesting question the president fielded the other day on 60 minutes. he said, the american people aren't feeling it. you know what i say? let's make them feel it. median household income is down from the beginning of this recession. in 2007 it was $56,000. in 2013 it was $51,000. how the hell did that happen? what? you mean median -- yeah. incomes and households went down, but everybody else kind of went up. the folks that we helped out. it's harder for americans to afford everything especially in education.

we stick it to the kids and we're going to keep sticking it to the kids the way it's set up. student loan debt in the united states is currently sitting at $1.2 trillion. seven in ten college students who graduate have a student loan debt. they graduate with an average of $29,000 of debt. here's an idea for you. how about a bailout for student loan debt across america? in 2008 the government had no problem throwing over $700 billion of taxpayer money at wall street. how about the government throwing $700 billion to the middle class and start with the 20 and 30-somethings and the folks that have college loan debt out there. in if middle-class americans get a bailout, this chart, no question about it, will change. that chart will change.

something radical, something drastic and something big. you have to believe it it can happen and you have to know it can happen. the middle class will rise and the economy will flourish again if we do something like this. consumer spending will rise. home sales will go up and the american economy be much better off. now wait a minute, that's kind of a theory, isn't it? >> yeah. it's a theory. you see the bailout on wall street was an absolute. we were going down. if we didn't put that money into wall street, we're going down. it's an absolute. there would be a total loss of our financial structure in the country and that's how critical it was. it if we do the same thing with student loan debt, we can theorize that people are going to buy homes, people are going to buy trucks and people will have debt and people will have a better life and that's all theory is it's a chance we ought to be willing to take because if you have another $250 or $300 a

month of of disposable income, what do we do as americans? we spend it! we need to take a page out of the country germany. here's some good socialism for you. this week germany abolished all tuition fees, not some. all. a college education is now free in this country. . free. education is not a right, is it? no, wait a minute. in had this country, germany, education is a right. not a privilege. so different here, isn't it it? six years ago the american government bailed out wall street. today our government should bail out middle-class americans and younger americans and give them a fresh start, so to speak.

why not? well, the power brokers aren't going go for it and it would take real political change for that to happen, and i know that i have won over a lot of americans across the country saying gosh, we've never heard anyone say that before. i would venture to say most people would say that sounds like a fair deal, we've done it before and let's do it again and let's revamp the educational system in the country and make it available to everybody, not just the wealthy or those who want to go into debt. i mean, if we really want to compete and if we really believe that we can be the best we can can be, then let's give the kids a fresh start like we gave wall street, a fresh start. too big a chunk of ice, isn't it? get your cell phones out and i want to know what you think tonight. would you vote for a candidate that advocates for student loan forgiveness? text a for yes, and text b for no at 67622 and we'll bring you

results later on in the show. let's go to bernie sanders, senator from vermont who is thinking about running for president. who has made several trips to iowa. good to be with you tonight. >> good to be with you, ed. >> you have been as vocal as anybody when it comes to student debt. what has to be done, in your opinion? >> well, ed, i agree with everything that you said and the essence of what you said is that six years ago this country had a crisis because of the greed, recklessness and illegal behavior on wall street, congress voted $700 billion to bail them out and the fed provided $16 trillion, ed, in all those zero-interest loans. we learned that because of an amendment i passed as part of the dodd frank financial bill. huge bailout for wall street and what you are asking right now is

at a time when the middle class collapsing, when hundreds of thousands of young people can't afford to go to college, when millions are coming out of college deeply in debt, when we have the highest rate of childhood poverty of any major country on earth aren't those crises the ones we should respond to and the answer is absolutely. and if we respond to those crises, we'll have a better educated workforce. we'll be more competitive internationally ask we're going to create more jobs. so what we need to do is put together the grass roots movement that says to the congress. you know what? start paying attention to the working families of this country who are losing ground every single day and to the kids of this country who want a future and stop paying attention just to the 1% and wall street and corporate america and you're absolutely right. >> well, it is a bridge that's real far away.

no question about it, but the interest rates that these kids are paying is through the roof compared to basic rates. why do we allow that to happen? there's republican kids out there right now that have gotten high interest rates. they've got to feel like they're getting shafted. why do we have to do this for the financial industry when it really slows down our growth economically and holds people back from prosperity later in in life? >> this is what we should know. 30 years ago, ed, the united states led the world in the percentage of our people who brad waited college and we were the major economic power. today we for 12th place in term of the percentage of our people who are graduating college precisely for the reasons that you gave. people can't afford to go to college. they're dropping out of college, so it makes eminent sense to significantly lower interest rates and what i would argue if the fed could charge every major

financial institution and corp raili corporations and banks all over the world in a $16 trillion low-interest revolving loan fund, charge them almost nothing for loans why can't we do the same for young people in this country and for small businesses in this country? why can't we do that? why can't we invest $1 trillion to rebuild our crumbling infrastructure and put 13 million back to work, why can't we do that? the answer is pretty obvious. when wall street talks with all of their money and power, congress listens. when working-class kids talk about being saddled with these horrendous debts, who is listening? how much power do they have? how much power do middle-class families have. so what we need to do is raise these issues like making college affordable, significantly lowering the college interest rates on debt. we need to do that.

we need to rally the people and there's massive support for these ideas, ed. >> vast majority of the people support these ideas, but we've got to get congress to listen to what the people want. >> this is the conversation that progressives are going have to have for whoever is going to be the candidate. this has to be talked about because this is what's affecting a majority of americans and i don't know how -- we'd be remiss if we didn't have this conversation. senator, it's always good to have you with us. i appreciate your time tonight. thank you. senator bernie sanders of vermont on "the ed show." remember to share your questions on the bottom of the screen and we want to know what you think. coming up, scott walker. the dude's got nine lives. the rapid response panel weighs in and he's up in the polls. while from protesters continue in ferguson, missouri, possible misconduct in the jury is taking place. the brown family attorney joins us to discuss the impact it's

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misconduct. the ferguson grand jury gets a misconduct investigation. the investigation stems from a tweet today that said i know someone sitting on the grand jury of this case. there isn't enough at this point to warrant an arrest. >> the grand jury is sworn to keep everything that they hear in that room secret even from their friends and family. >> it's discovered that the juror did reveal information the entire hearing would have to start from scratch. let's go to darryl parks. he is the attorney for the brown family in all of this. mr. parks, good to have you back with us tonight. i want your reaction to the news of possible misconduct by a grand jury member, and as you see it, what does this all mean some. >> ed, first, i have to say michael brown's parents have said all along that they are very optimistic and they can't get the proper investigation and prosecution by this prosecutor.

so now that we're learning this that one of the jurors on the grand jury has possibly misbehaved is a very serious concern and we believe that this -- we still are calling for a special prosecutor to be a pointed by governor jay nicks. you have to bear in mind, too, that we have someone that has said that officer darren wilson who is also being -- in many of the cases that this office is prosecuting is also up for possible indictment. that conflict alone, we believe that this grand jury proceeding is very, very questionable. >> about that, darren wilson failed to appear at a hearing for an unrelated case on monday. obviously, his police work has taken him into some legal work that he was working on before all of this the shooting took place. so what have you heard about those activities? you know? >> let me tell you what's happened. given the fact that this particular prosecutor's office

is very involved in cases that involve wilson as an arresting officer or investigating officer and a main witness in this case, then flipside of that he is also a possible defendant in this case. those two things taken together represents a serious bias of conflict that exists between this prosecutor's office and his interaction with darren wilson. we believe that should call for governor jay nicks to appoint a special prosecutor given the clear bias that's come forth in this case. the bias is coming from a twitter user in question that previously wrote support messages for the officer who killed michael brown. >> this could be a lot of things, this could be a conspiracy, this could be a not a very smart juror, what do you think it is? >> well, it's obviously someone that is talked outside of the proceedings and has tainted the proceedings. so clearly, what this grand jury now has done is totally in question upon. we're talking about two

different things. the grand jury misconduct is one issue we have here. the other issue that i'm bringing up is the fact that officer wilson is involved in other cases in this office bringing about a conflict that exists him and the prosecutor's office. >> i don't think that's going to move this, but i do think that the grand jury misconduct is your best shot. that's just my opinion. would you agree with that? legally, is that probably your best shot at this point? >> i think that's our best shot, though. yes. >> go ahead. >> clear's that's the best shot. >> that clearly is your best shot legally right now to move the governor to scrap what's going on and you want him to start all over again. >> yes. the good thing about starting over again, is if he appoints a special prosecutor that prosecutor can make the decision whether he wants to directly file the case or whether he or she wants to take it to a grand jury. so you get a fresh start and they get to make a decision about the direct filing in this

case. >> what's interesting is there are over 3,000 ferguson residents who have registered to vote since the the killing of michael brown. it's rather important statement, isn't it? >> well, for sure. i think if nothing else, michael brown's murder in ferguson missouri and st. louis county has now become a catalyst for really getting people to pay attention to what's going on civically and realizing that the prosecutor in this case is an elected official and people have to become far more engaged and vote empowerment right now and have their voices heard to have a better chance of avoiding these type of situations anything into the future. >> darryl parks, good to have you with us tonight. attorney for the brown family. thank you so much for joining us. coming up, the republican party has been busy for the first time in months. governor scott walker leads the wisconsin polls. the governor's race coming up.

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there is a new poll showing the republican governor with his widest lead since march. scott walker is leading mary burke 50% to 45%. these polls are the first to come out since accusations that burke had cop ed policy proposals from other campaigns. mary burke released a new ad to address this accusation. >> in august, wisconsin lost another 4300 jobs and that's probably why in september, scott walker is attending my jobs plant saying it takes ideas from other states. well, you know what? of course, it does. as governor i'm going to take the best ideas wherever i can find them. >> governor walker spent his first term breaking promises so far. the numbers say that and he promised to create 250,000 new jobs. 28,000 private-sector jobs were added in wisconsin from march

2013 to march 2014. that ranks wisconsin at number 33 in the country for job growth. walker also limited collective bargaining rightses and enacted new voter i.d. requirements. earlier today attorneys for the aclu filed an emergency appeal enforcing the voter i.d. law. the i.d. requires all voters in the state to have a driver's license or i.d. photo. tens of thousand ever elderly who cannot drive cannot be expected to obtain the i.d.s with less than five weeks before the election. progressive voters, well, it's going to be a bigger challenge in november than what you previously thought and that is exactly the way walker wants it. >> joining me tonight in the rapid response panel, editor of the progressive magazine and also with us tonight, brad

woodhouse and former democratic party communications director. i want both of you to give analysis of this race where it is right now with all of the controversy that has surrounded scott walker. ruth, you first. how do you break it down in. >> well, obviously, it's not great to see it ahead and you have to put it in perpective, he has a four-point margin of error. the news here is that month after month after month of mary burke and scott walker has crept out of the margin offer rr and he's leading by a little bit and we have a month to go and those have not happened yet and there's a lot of news that can happen. i think what has happened in this race is not so much that mary burke has come out swinging despite his enormous name recognition and a lot of bad news has hit walker and his

strategy has been to attack mary burke on the, where he himself is vulnerable and that's where you see when he goes after her for working for her family business although fewer than any other bicycle business in america when he has been giving tax dollars to companies that outsource jobs and close their quarters in wisconsin. the phony plagiarism scandal and his attacks on that and her not responding strenuously and i think we're seeing that in his poll, but if you look at what he's saying and she takes policy proposals for other people and the jobs plan. scott walker has taken legislation written by out of state companies by his own admission, an out of state company drafted a piece of legislation and he solicited a major campaign from the company and received 700,000 through the club for growth and he is plagiarizing legislation for special interest groups in order

to do away with regulation in the state of wisconsin and do away with open meetings large and the plagiarism charge is one more example of him attacking on something where he himself is doing the thing that he's attacking. >> on a roll, tremendous insight. how do you break it it down? >> the way i break it down is this. look, i think scott walker is in trouble. he's got a poll that shows him at a 5% lead and a little bit outside the margin of error and he's an incumbent. a month out he's at 50% and mary burke is relentless. i think that ad was exactly the right approach. are you kidding me? of course we want the best policies from other states and we don't want policies that scott walker has delivered that in the midwest has put wisconsin dead last in job growth and if you want to move to the midwest to get a job, don't move to wisconsin and i think mary burke will have a strong month.

let me say this, ed, if we believed the the polls in the presidential race after the debate in denver, this notion that one poll is crazy. i think it's significant because it is the widest lead by either candidate since march and maybe people are starting to pay attention right now. i don't know what it is, and there's a lot of water to go under the bridge between now and then, but the table is set for the republicans in wisconsin, it seem like. it will take extra effort by the progressive movement. this voter i.d. law will help walker and what's it going to do to low income people. what about it? >> you know, honestly, voter i.d. is much more significant than this latest poll. this is a tight, tight race and it will take getting every voter to the polls and the republicans have scored an enormous victory by preventing people from voting

here. i think if we didn't have voter i.d. and we had a totally clean election and everybody cast a vote there would be no question of the outcome and the slippage by mary burke in the one poll would mean very much at all, but what voter i.d. means if you're a voter at the university of wisconsin it doesn't count you have to any get an extra i.d. you have to bring separate verification this you're enrolled as a student so there are many intense hurdles that are being set up and there is nothing more important in wisconsin than a ground game to get voter i.d. to people who need it. >> you have to have more koumentation in wisconsin to vote than you'd need to go to another country. i mean, that's what you said. >> that's insane. >> that's what i just heard. >> yeah. >> i find that unbelievable. >> and ed, they're throwing out absentee ballots. people who have cast absentee ballots will be tloeb out if

they don't now present i.d. after they voted. these are things that people need to be working on on the grond in wisconsin if they want this to be anywhere close it a fair election. >> your take on the voter i.d. >> this was passed by republican legislature and it was signed by a republican governor. >> and so they've socially engineered this is what they've done. >> they are trying to engineer this election to steal it. >> scott walker can't afford to lose this election and his real prize is to be president of the united states, god forbid, but we've overcome these obstacles before. let's not scare people. we've overcome these obstacles before. we need to expand the electorate and we need to help people get the proper i.d., we need to fight in court like the aclu. people stood in long lines in 2012 exactly because they were denying the republican efforts in a lot of these states, in ohio and florida and other places and they stood there all night long to vote because they

were denying the efforts of these republican governors to prevent them from voting and we need the ground swell of anger of these, no, figure it out, make it happen and stick it to them this time. >> great conversation and we appreciate your time tonight, we'll spend more time in wisconsin. >> republicans complain there aren't enough resources at the cdc. dr. corey aber will join me to discuss the ebola threat. . working behind the scenes to provide companies with services... like helping hr departments manage benefits and pensions for over 11 million employees. reducing document costs by up to 30%... and processing $421 billion dollars in accounts payables each year. helping thousands of companies simplify how work gets done. how's that for an encore? with xerox, you're ready for real business.

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but it is absolutely a mistake to take political correctness and say they know with certainty it's not going to spread and as a consequence, play down fears that we don't take precautions. >> i can't disagree with that. but it takes money to buy whiskey. welcome to "the ed show." finally tonight, rand paul may be a doctor, but all he's prescribing here is a little bit too much fear. he's evening warning americans not to trust the cdc. maybe the cdc would be better positioned to contain ebola, if its budget wasn't cut by $600 million, lower than it was four years ago. republicans, i don't think they can have it both way. when public health agencies like the cdc are starved for cash, they can't do the job we expect them to do. take it from the nurses, the boots on the ground, the real front line, a national nurses

united union. they polled their members, asking them questions. 30% of the registered nurses say their hospital as unsufficient sfliz of eye protectont and protectant gowns. 60% say their hospital is not prepared for the ebola virus. in turn, the largest u.s. organization of nurses is calling for what? proper funding of international sda disaster relief. corey hebert, professor at lsu health sciences center. i'm alarmed when high hear these numbe numbers. i know nurses i'm married to one. they are the front line, they do more than doctors in many cases. 80% of nurses say their

hospitals have not communicated to them any policy regarding potential admission of patients affected by ebola. where do we go from here if that number is true? >> the ebola virus spread in the united states is squarely on the shoulders of the front line nurses and doctors at our primary care facilities and emergency rooms. without a doubt. you don't know to treat something if you don't know it's there. that's just the bottom line. we know from this case the other day, that the nurse knew, didn't explain it to the doctor, so the doctor didn't know. if we're trying to contain this, we need more information sharing at the front lines, and we also need more supplies, which means we need more money. it made me laugh that you said you agree with rand paul because i was about to throw up in my mouth when i heard it. but i kind of agree with him, that we don't know what's going to happen.

the issue with with rand, it doesn't matter what happens because we have the infrastructure in america to be able to take care of those patients, even if 100 people get it, 200 people get it. we have the infrastructure. that's why we need that money so that we can have the gowns and the supplies to take care of the patient. >> so we should be listening to the nurses? >> absolutely. we have to. as a doctor, i can't survive without a nurse or a medical assistant to explain to me what's going on. in medical school, we're not trained to do some of the things they do. we are trained to ask the serious questions about whether you've traveled and the medical history. but we forget about those things after we've been practicing for so long. one of my great mentors told me, when you hear hoof beats behind you, think horses, not zebras. but we're living in the land of the zebra now, we have to check those things and nurses are great at this. >> rand paul also said this. i want to get your reaction. since he's a doctor too. >> you all seem to be concerned

about soldiers getting back on a ship. where is disease most transmittable, when you're closely confined on a ship. we all know about cruises and how they get these diarrhea viruses that are transmitted easily and a whole ship gets sick. can you imagine if a whole ship of our soldiers gets ebola. i'm concerned about it and it's a mistake to down play, it's not a big deal. this could get beyond our control. >> could it get beyond our control? >> no. and once again, i kind of have to agree with him, there could be a ship that had a lot of people on it and they all got the ebola virus. that's possible, but it's not beyond our control. when people have been brought from west africa to the united states, they don't die from ebola, because we have the infrastructure. so i hate to keep saying that i agree with him, but i don't agree with him 100%. >> corey hebert, good to have

you with us. >> i'm missing my bow tie. >> you're sound good, look good. "politicsnation" starts right now. happy birthday, rev. >> you're a day early. >> we start early. >> thanks to you, and thanks to you for tuning in. lots of news to get to tonight. we have breaking news on the ebola patient in dallas. why did the hospital let him go when he first came in with symptoms? also, a major development in the ferguson, missouri, grand jury. looking into the shooting of michael brown. some are now saying it could derail the entire investigation. and secret service fail. a stunning report that an agent spilled secrets about president obama to the