> fear factor. let's play "hardball." >> good evening, i'm chris matthews up in new york. people only truly believe what they discover for themselves. they believe what they see, what becomes obvious to them. right now, it's obvious that ebola is not being kept from this country. it's here despite the promises we keep getting. how did that man get onto the plane? and why was he sent away from the hospital in dallas when he said he was here from west africa, where we know there's an epidemic of ebola. he walked in carrying some of the symptoms. who and what are we to believe right now? the claim that there was a solid screening system in place at the airport in monrovia. that statement by president

obama. airport officials now say that the texas ebola patient lied about his exposure, so he could get into the u.s. what good is a screening system, if it's so easily evaded? health officials are trying to find up to 100 people who may have been exposed to the virus while he was contagious. the cdc and texas health department are mobilizing war rooms in the dallas area. he walked into a dallas hospital with symptoms a week ago and was sent home. even after he told them he'd come from the ebola hot zone in west africa. for three days he roamed free in the dallas area. his nephew called the cdc himself as duncan got worse. what assurances do we have that others won't get in and that the right things will be done when

they do? people don't like hearing these questions. i promise you, there will be a lot more if the assurances we keep getting don't match the realities we're facing. we're joined now on the phone from monrovia, dr. nancy snyderman, thank you for joining us. how did this guy get here when we were told by our president it would be unlikely that anybody would come here from the ebola area in west africa? >> i think doctors have been saying for quite some time that they expected a case of ebola to pop up in the united states. and that's because our world is smaller than ever. you can get anywhere within 12 hours on a plane. interestingly, we know how this man was exposed. we tracked his path today in monrovia. he was exposed to the virus about four days before he left the country. unfortunately, it can take eight

to ten days for symptoms to show. temperature, nausea, vomiting, diarrhea. so when he left monrovia, liberia, his temperature was taken by the authorities, and it was normal, or he would not have been allowed to leave the country. so when he arrived in the united states, he probably still didn't have a fever. the real error was made when he first went to the texas emergency room with symptoms, high fever, and a history of coming from west africa, and he was inappropriately given antibiotics and sent home. a travel history is as important as any other part of the history in a physical today. and anyone coming through or from west africa, has to be asked the question, how do you feel? >> did he get a questionnaire in the liberian airport, was he

asked whether he had been in an area where he could have been exposed to ebola? sources there say he lied and said he wasn't anywhere near a victim he could have picked it up from. >> well, this is a real loophole that we've been trying to track all day. we know that he was in contact with a pregnant woman who died of ebola before his departure. i can tell you that all over monrovia, there are bill boards, messages blasting from television and radio, everyone here is hyperalert and hyperaware about ebola. so, i don't know what this man knew. we do know that he came in contact with a young woman who died before his departure from this country. and it's hard to imagine that he didn't know that he was in proximity with someone that was ill. because we tracked the taxi he

was in, the exposure that he was exposed to, and several of the people he was exposed to have now died. >> do we know that he came here to get treatment, that he knew he was exposed? we've heard stories of family members raising money for him to get here. >> i honestly don't have a clue, chris. we do know he applied for a visa on september 2nd, and quit his job and saved up money -- >> i see, so he had planned to come here. that answers the question. he planned to come here before he was exposed. so that wasn't his motive, necessarily. thank you, dr. nancy snyderman. >> any time, chris. this opens up a problem with trust and authority in this country. right now it's getting dicey. a democrat from california and nurse practitioner herself. and the lieutenant governor of maryland. congresswoman, let me ask you about this thing here.

the president, i don't know why he said it, that it was unlikely, two weeks ago that we'd had an aids person -- an ebola person coming here from west africa. who told him it was safe to say unlikely? it's not great to be knocked down in your claims by reality. it's not a good thing. >> i certainly don't know who told him. but what i do think he might have been trying to do was to just reassure the u.s. population that we don't have to worry about a massive outbreak. looking back at it, maybe he shouldn't have said that, but i do think that was probably the motivation. because there's so much information that the u.s. public needs to know and understand about this disease. >> why would he warn us about something, though? tell me the obvious. i don't know what it is. why would we be afraid of people being afraid of ebola? isn't that a smart thing, to be afraid of ebola, the way it's

handled through the airport and our transportation system? >> i think part of that is correct. but if i remember correctly, he responded that way after the two doctors came to the united states, the ones that were infected and we brought back here, and he was assuring people. but i do think that it's important that people be aware. i also think it's really important that people not be so paranoid to the point where, you know, people really don't understand what's going on. you know, we are dealing with our own epidemic here, the enterovirus, over 500 cases in 42 states. so we have additional concerns we need to be worried about. also four deaths from that virus in young children. >> i'm a huge opponent of rolling disclosure. i think it's vital that politicians be the first, like in the "godfather." my lawyer always insists on getting bad news fast. >> that's right. >> he wants the bad news and i'm sure the congresswoman agrees. you want the staffer to race into the office and not sit on it for three days.

here we have a couple of situations. the jv team in iraq and syria that's becoming a global threat supposedly. so is isis a jv team, what is it? i'm just wondering about this effort to try to down play concerns at the expense of being a truth-teller. it is a problem. >> i would agree with that. it is a problem to the extent that the administration, particularly the president is getting advice from individuals who aren't telling him the whole story, or laying out some of the ramifications. and all you have to do is look at the most recent episode with the secret service. you know, you have the director briefing the president, but fails to tell him, oh, by the way, you were in an elevator with someone who had a gun. >> that's a relevant fact, i think. >> it's a relevant fact. and i think the congressman would really appreciate, please, give us the relevant facts so

that we, in turn, in answering calls from our constituents, what the relevant facts are. >> here's an example of a guy. president obama is pushing the economy today, gave a mention to ebola in the context of american leadership. let's take a listen. >> when alarms go off somewhere in the world, whether it's a disaster that is natural or man-made, when there's an idea or invention that can make a difference, this is where things start. this who the world calls -- america. they don't call moscow, they don't call beijing. they call us. and we welcome that responsibility of leadership, because that's who we are. that's what we expect of ourselves. >> and with that responsibility comes responsibility. here i want to show you how you do share information. right after 9/11, there was an anthrax scare in new york.

and giuliani shared information as he got it. this is just a short clip from one of his press conferences. >> there was a skin test, a biopsy that was done. that came back positive early this morning. cdc notified us early this morning. so the test of the powder was negative to anthrax. the skin test was positive to anthrax. but since, if it is the powder, it goes back to september 25, and you don't have any additional numbers of people reporting symptoms. the chances that this is contained, according to the cdc and we just finished a long conference call with them, the chance this is contained are very good. >> that's what i like, a very calm disposition of how things stand and how you know it. and telling the public everything you know as you know it. that's better than saying be calm, and don't worry, and it's

unlikely. that doesn't work. people are smart, watching the tv, going online. what did he say exactly? okay, now i can work with that. i can't do something with general advice to be calm. but i can be calm when i see the mayor of my city going through the information as he gets it. >> absolutely. i agree with both of you. i want to hear the bad news first too. cut to the chase, let me know what's going on. but in addition to that, giving education, so, providing education to people about what this disease is, what the symptoms are, what you should look for, i think is very important as well. michael, do you have any assurance we won't get a couple more guys jumping on the plane in monrovia? in two to 21 days incubation period. if the person is not sweating like mad or convulsing, they say he's clean. but it takes 21 days to show the symptoms. it's not working. >> i agree with that. i think it's something that everybody should be concerned

about, who are at those entry points and make sure there are the appropriate checks put in place. the other thing i think is important and the congresswoman touched on something that is important, the education. there are two parts to that. the first is that we the people are informed as to what this disease it, what the symptoms are, and we know how to deal with it. more importantly, as we saw with the hospital, that the information from cdc trickles down, so that in that emergency room, even if you have one of the list of symptoms, there's a sense of, we need to check this. but then when you're told, i just came from liberia or sierra leone, that raises it even further. so the education is important. >> congresswoman, i just want to say thank you. i love the fact that you're a nurse practitioner. that means in addition to your legislative success, you have executive ability, which is a great thing. i look so much up to nurses, especially nurse practitioners, who do the doctor work. thank you so much. >> thank you.

>> and my friend michael steele. coming up, the embarrassments get even worse for nfl commissioner roger goodell. it's not just ray rice. documents today, 50 cases of domestic violence under goodell and found that players received lenient discipline in nearly all the situations. >> plus, darryl hannah will join us, the master of political impressions. he's making his return to "saturday night live" this season as its new announcer after the death of the great don pardo. and tonight's round table, we'll talk about the fear of ebola, hillary 2015 versus bill 1991. and a new report that the secret service leaked president obama's schedule to the mitt romney crowd. and let me finish tonight with the man who turned 90, former president jimmy carter. this is "hardball," a place for politics. she's still the one for you. and cialis for daily use helps you be ready

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welcome back to "hardball." the problem of domestic violence in the nfl is bigger than just ray rice. "usa today" reported the past eight years, there have been 50 cases against nfl players. 50. most of those players received little or no penalty from the league. here's a sampling. jets line backer brian thomas was accused of purchasing his wife in the stomach. he finished out the season and then retired. miami dolphins defensive end phillip merling was charged with

felony battery on his pregnant girlfriend, continued playing the rest of the season. rocky bernard, he was in a nightclub, where he punched the mother of his child with a closed fist, striking her forehead, causing her forehead to hit a glass divider. his punishment from the league, suspension for a game, one year. about 14 domestic violence cases ended up with players being suspended. in all but one case, it was two games or less. 15 cases players were released or didn't re-sign. those cases involved players with marginal talent. so they were going to go anywhere. what does this say about nfl culture? brent, thanks for joining us. when you did this report, i want to stick to the reporting, because i think it's news to a lot of people. these cases involve real violence, not shoving, but fists

and injuries, and would normally call in the courts, assault and battery. yet, whether they're considered felonies outside of the league, in the terms of the league's own discipline, they're a game suspension, or two-game suspension. what do you make of that? >> a lot of them are misdemeanor battery cases. you could certainly say the nfl has been lenient on this issue going back to 2000. there's been 90 since the year 2000. what's changed is the outrage over the release of the video there was never the public outrage until people saw what it looked like on camera. the league handling it with a one or two-game suspension. these cases are hard to prosecute in the court and by district attorneys. i think the nfl has tried to follow the lead of law

enforcement authorities when they try to punish these players and it's not always easy. >> how do you get the evidence of what happened, when you can't make the case? will the spouse or the girlfriend not testify? is that the problem? >> yeah, that's generally the problem. in almost half the cases, the alleged victim doesn't want to cooperate with authorities. they don't want to jeopardize their family, their security. so -- >> why didn't the policeman who is following the case, because i know these cases are women being afraid of men, afraid they'll hit them again, or worse, kill them, so they're not going to go to court. but i thought the police officer is supposed to intervene and bring the charge himself, or herself. >> they are supposed to, but it can be difficult when the victim does not want to cooperate. when the evidence is he said,

she said, it's hard to prosecute. but sometimes there are physical injuries that the police officers make note of, of course. but usually, for first-time offenders in a lot of states, this is how these cases get resolved. they enter a diversion program where the offender has to complete some kind of anger counselling, domestic violence counselling, community service. in exchange for that, the charge is dropped. that's happened in quite a few nfl cases too. i think the league has looked at that as sort of, okay, the charge is getting dropped. it's a diversion program. let's suspend him a game or two depending on the evidence. >> i want you to respond to this. there are more cases of domestic violence. green bay packers line backer eric walden was charged with felony battery against his girlfriend. the girlfriend later changed her story to say she started the fight. he was suspended for a game. and another one, he said police threw his wife down the stairs and out of the house.

the nfl suspended him for a game. cornell green, police say he slammed the mother of his children into a wall and hit her arm with a mop handle. he played in 12 games later that year. you see these guys meeting up with their spouses or girlfriends on the way out. did you see this kind of violent attitude towards women? >> no. i do not see this sort of violent attitude towards women. this isn't just a problem in the nfl. this is corporate america. >> it is? >> i think it's everywhere. right now it's just that the light is being shined on the nfl. the way the nfl works, they don't pay attention until there is public outcry. there's a sense around the nfl, this has been going on for years. it's just now getting attention. these problems aren't just happening in the national football league. this isn't the only sport and place in america where we're seeing domestic abuse.

in terms of the nfl paying attention to it now, it's because the public is finally paying attention, that the report was able to recite the different reports of players involved in domestic violence. nobody paid attention to it in the past, but now they are -- >> you guys are both speaking the same language here. i want to go back to brent here. first of all, we're not talking about a screaming match, not somebody throwing a dish, or a slapping match. we're talking about throwing a woman down the stairs, punching a pregnant woman in the stomach, decking a woman in an elevator. you're telling me this is american life. is this your argument, both of you, this is the world we live in? >> it's not american life for most people. >> but jocks, the highly paid athletes? give me the sub set of america this reflects. i went to school with jocks.

they got special meals and special everything. but the fact of the matter, in alabama, they're treated like kings. they can swagger around campus and be big shots physically and intimidate people. >> you can't just say this is in the sports world. you can't say that. >> what is it then? help me out. >> it is our society. but the thing that no one's paying attention to. the nfl is bringing attention to domestic abuse. but what are we doing with this now? for prevention? education? how are we fixing this problem, not just in the nfl, but across the country? because if you're going to say that these problems only exist in the nfl, then your eyes are shut. because these are happening in our towns, our communities, everywhere, all across the country. >> so let it go? >> no. no, don't let it go. use these football players, use the national football league as an example to teach, to prevent. that's the only way we'll see change. >> i saw the full page in "usa today."

you're saying it's not news, it's to be expected that jocks beat up their women? >> no, it's definitely news because the nfl has such a high place in american culture. huge viewership on television and the media, they've never been more popular than they are now. they make a lot of the money. when they get their name in the newspaper for scoring a touchdown, they'll get their name in the newspaper for getting arrested for domestic violence. >> what's the gm, they pick up the paper, see their guy involved in something like this, 2:00 in the morning at some nightclub? what do they say? they have a meeting and say, scratch him from next week's game. >> no, chris, what they'll do with that. they'll wait it out, see what happens legally. because for them it's a business. the nfl is a business. >> it's pr. >> it's not even pr. they need to get those players on the field. they need to make that money. that's why the reason why roger goodell has had such a difficult time handling this. because his bosses, the owners of the nfl, are the ones he has

to answer to. it's a billion-dollar industry and those players need to be on the field. >> i want to thank you both. the players who are the problem are going to love this. they're going to hear, we're just like everybody else. we swat somebody, that's what the other guys do. to is that what we to say to them? >> to the players involved? >> the offenders, the guys on the rap sheet. >> get help. fix the problem. there's eyes on you, a lot of young kids watching you, be better. >> great reporting, great work. up next, darryl hammond joins us. he's returned already now to "snl" as the show's announcer following the legendary don pardo. this is "hardball," a place for politics.

back to "hardball." "saturday night live" kicked off its 40th season with a show that

debuted darryl hammond, a veteran "snl" cast member as the new announcer. hammond appeared on the show for a record 14 seasons, takes the place of the late don pardo, whose voice over the years became synonymous with the show's iconic opening. i'm thrilled he's returned. how can i not thank him for doing me over the years. >> now, in order to book you, i had to agree to some ground rules, that i'm not crazy about. but as we say in the business, tough get, and you're great. >> again, chris, you're too kind. >> no-no, you're too kind. or as i mentioned already, you're also great. but this is "hardball" i've got to ask you some questions. uh-oh. [ laughter ] here it comes. >> it's now my pleasure to say, from new york, it's darryl hammond!

darryl, i love you. you're going to be a part of that cast now forever. you're going to be institutionalized with "saturday night live." >> thanks, chris, you're great. [ laughter ] >> let me get ready for this. you're going to do darryl hammond, but you'll be playing in the foot steps of the legendary don pardo. how much of him are you going to be? >> just enough to, you know, sort of tip your hat to him, because he's really not replaceable in any way. i'm not even an announcer. i wouldn't ever try to replace him. but the idea was that we would sort of tip our hat to him. i think we picked like five vowels. spend two weeks picking five vowels and we're trying our best. >> you're picking up some sound from don pardo. >> you're picking up sound? >> no, you're picking up sound.

you're going to replace some of the sound that he makes. >> well, yeah, you know, like, you can't just go -- you can't do him, and yet you can't not do him. so the idea was, do don pardo, but it's not don pardo. >> let's take a look at what you did, when i said to you, that you could capture the soul of bill clinton. here you are playing former president bill clinton and you just paid a visit to obama's bedroom in the white house. you're kind of a ghost of the past. let's watch. >> we heard you were tossing and turning over whether to push for federal regulations, so we're here to give you some advice. >> you two are the ones who stripped down the regulations. why would i want advice from you? >> dude, it was the '90s. people did all kinds of crazy things. [ laughter ] >> crazy things. so it's hard for me to believe you're going to be there making the announcements and somewhere along the line when bill clinton

comes back into action again, when he's really back in action, and his spouse of all these wonderful years is going to be president of the united states, will somebody say, we need bill, we need darryl hammond? >> you know, it's kind of a place where almost anything can happen and usually does. there's really -- i mean, you know, it's about the most unusual place in the world. it could happen, but we haven't discussed it yet. >> i love your dick cheney. you were walking around the set of the oval office and it was dick cheney with the snarl. you were into him before we saw you on tv. you captured cheney better than anybody. we had you on in 2012 as our expert at the democratic convention. when the next one rolls around in 2016, will you promise to come back and help us? >> if you're taking me out for onion rings -- >> we're going to the weirdest most rural diner in the world like we did last time.

darryl hammond, it's wonderful to have you on, thanks for being on the show and good luck as the announcer forever now. >> thank you, sir. >> announcer for life. >> that's fine. we got the round table to dig into bill clinton -- actually, barack obama and ebola and how he handles it. plus, the nfl's history of going easy on domestic abuse cases. how does hillary clinton this year cam paired to what bill clinton was like before he ran? so many interesting differences, but hillary does have advantages over the first bill clinton when he came to national life. we'll talk about that. we'll have a look at last night's minnesota senate debate between senator al franken and his challenger businessman mike mcfadden. here it is. >> have you done a town hall meeting since elected? i believe president obama has done more town halls than you

have in this state. >> i have done so many public meetings in which people have the chance to ask questions. i have a minnesota breakfast in washington every wednesday, that your son came to. >> he's the most partisan senator in the democratic party. that's a fact, not my opinion. al franken is the ted cruz of the democratic party.

welcome back to "hardball." ebola and politics. how could the president's handling of the ebola situation affect democrats' chances this november? plus the dramatic evolution of the clinton brand from 1992 to 2016? we'll get to all of that with the round table. u.s. congressman jack kington of georgia. political reporter casey hunt and perry bacon. this is what president obama said about ebola two weeks ago. >> i want the american people to know that our experts here at the cdc and across our government agree that the chances of an ebola outbreak here in the united states are extremely low. in the unlikely event that

someone with ebola does reach our shores, we've seen new measures so that we're prepared here at home. >> we are now in the unlikely event. we are living in the unlikely event. what does that do to the president and government's credibility in saying there's nothing to fear? >> i think it hurts them. i think the american people are tender in terms of what this government does and says is sometimes very different. i believe that ultimately what the president needs to do, chris, is have some high figure profile person, like george mitchell with the middle east back in the day, or the irish situation, where he can say, i'm going to cut all the red tape. >> the cdc and the dod and all the government acronyms, they need to be on the same page with the world health organization. right now, i'm seeing too many agencies going in too many different directions and here's the case of a hospital that did not follow obvious, very obvious protocol and should have been

able to prevent this. >> they sent the guy home. it took his nephew to come back and beg for admission. this is a tricky time. senate races coming up. congressman is involved in one. we have races that could tip. ten seats could go republicans because of uneasiness. just a sense of we don't like the feeling in this country right now. your thoughts? >> yeah, i think the ebola situation is dangerous. also focus on the secret service as well. there's a sense that a lot of things in washington are going wrong. isis, add that to it as well. a lot of republicans focused on the president's challenges and failures. that could affect the races, considering democrats are already at a disadvantage, looking at georgia, arkansas, so conservative in the first place. >> first i want to put my thought in here. we have second termitis going on right now.

you bring in the second team, you get second-term performance. presidents when they get elected, my god, this is the biggest challenge of my life, i'm going to bring in the best team i can find. i want everybody in the room to be smarter than me. that's the standard they set, the smart president, whether it's reagan, or fdr, everybody in the room, smarter than i am. this administration is not that way anymore. too many staffers that are "yes" people and not the inclusion of new people. not staffers of staffers of staffers. that's my argument. as hillary clinton readies her presidential run, the clinton brand today differs sharply from 1992. in today's politico, the clinton brand is of 2014 is missing three key elements, the first was new ideas, second, was an authentic populist connection and the third one was change.

casey, you study this stuff, i think -- well, i want to hear what you think. hillary has advantages, but not some of the advantages that bill had? >> right. i was with bill and hillary at that steak fry in iowa. it's so obvious that he loves this stuff. and she's still trying to figure out how to put her toes in the water. she's not as comfortable as he is, in sitting around and talking about the basics of politics. he was up, talking to reporters. he was spending extra time with voters. she was quick in her interactions. she was friendly and warm, but not relishing that kind of thing. i think that they do have a point in saying that she would be the first woman president. and i do think that sometimes we underestimate that, as far as how -- especially women voters would feel about putting, you know, a woman in the white house. she might not be a new generation, but that would be a really significant step.

>> another plus she has we often overlook. she's a worldwide celebrity. everybody in the world who reads a newspaper anywhere knows who hillary clinton is. bill clinton was just a governor from a small state when he ran. >> exactly, chris. >> i would rather be hillary clinton in 2015 than bill clinton in 1991. first, the celebrity factor. number two, democrats view bill clinton as a successful president and hillary clinton was beside him at the time. it will be a challenge. i think there's a challenge of what are her ideas? how is she different from bill clinton or barack obama? and two, there is that populism question. there's an elizabeth warren faction of the party. she's going to figure out how to meet that demand, how does she appeal to those people? that said, she's got a great start. he's way ahead of anybody else for the democratic nomination. so i think these three problems are small challenging i would say.

bill clinton was a southerner. i remember down in waco, texas, the young clerk in the hotel i walked into, he said i kind of thing those two boys are going to win. there was a sense of regional guys running in their 40s. bill clinton carried george, i believe in '92, lost in '96. can hillary clinton have a shot in a place like georgia? >> i don't think she can. and james carville was the governor's consultant when he was running. but i think we also have to remember that bill clinton was running after 12 years of republican rule and with a very bad economy. now the economy is not so great, but it's not the republicans' fault. i think that's going to hurt her. but getting back to bill clinton's southern charm, if you will, i've met him many times. he's a likeable guy, an approachable guy. he can talk to the heads of state. he can talk to the gas station attendant. hillary clinton does not have that skill, and she can't fake

it. >> do you ever talk to her on that one to one basis? i've done it and it's a different hillary when you meet her. i think he's very easy to get along with when you meet her, if she's not afraid of you that day. she should be afraid of people like me, maybe that day. but you're on the other side of the aisle. when you're with her personally, do you find her off-putting or cold? what would be your definition? >> no. but i don't find her warm and friendly and charming. what i do sense with bill clinton is a guy who is genuinely interested in me. when he's talking to me, that's his focus. he likes to know how the clock works in terms of the human personality. tell me about your job, and he can connect with you, but hillary's little more stand-offish. a little more academic, if you will. >> you've given me something for my next book. that's great. he likes to know how the clock works. casey, we got to come back with all three of you folks. let's talk about the secret service scandal. this latest one about the guy

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we're back. just when you thought it couldn't get worse for united states secret service, another

scandal hits. a former aid on mitt romney's presidential campaign is saying that his secret service campaign leaked president's schedule to ryan's staffers back in 2012, during the campaign. sean mccoy published on the ground in a key swing state to coordinate security ahead of several cam feign stops by the president. in one particular incident, the secret service agent who had a number of drinks during the meeting began providing details of president obama's schedule. including times and dates of the president's events. congressman, we all know if you've got a guy scheduling, you've got his whole plan figuring out. it's also a security issue. we're not supposed to know where the president is going before they want us to know.

what do you think of a secret service agent getting a little tipsy or even drunk? >> what was he doing at a bar? what was he doing drinking to begin with, much less running his mouth. i think that's why speaker boehner and chairman mccawl are right for the entire secret service culture, if you will. that kind of incident, we don't hear about it. it was reported through back channels. the president was not told about it. i think what the chairman is going to do is find out more about this and find out how evasive it is. >> i think this is imperative where agencies have tremendous track records. you can't assume that the great team will always win, you can assume that the secret service will always be as wonderful as

it was when it saved reagan's life. >> somebody getting on the elevator with the president and have a gun, a, and then, b, have the president not know about it, that story particularly was very strubling. >> you know what's worse? he had a criminal record. you know what else is worse? he had a cell phone camera going. imagine doing that to the president close range? >> the one thing i will say here is, you know, and i covered rodney aes campaign. i got to know many of the secret service agents who protected romney pretty well. most of the secret service agents are in it for the right reason. but that said, this is probably only the tip of the ice burg. we've forgotten there was an ins incidents where one of the

secret service agents left a gun in the bathroom of the plane. so i think for every instance that we're starting to hear about now, there's probably two or three that we're unaware of. at this point, as perry and the congressman were saying, really a management question. that's the kind of thing from the coupleture at the top that matter it is most. >> i think leadership is key, anyway. come back whenever you want, sir. we like having you on. casey hunt, perry bacon, we'll 3w right back. >> thanks, chris. take a closer look at charmin ultra soft and you'll love what you see. not only can you use less, but you can actually see the softness in our comfort cushions. we all go. why not enjoy the go with charmin ultra soft? ♪ [ female announcer ] when the pressure's on... only secret offers clinical strength invisible solid and clear gel

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let me finish tonight with a man who just turned 90. former president, jimmy carter. i was and am a carter loyalist. i know the great goals he set for this country. he is worried about the spread of nuclear arms around the world, but nobody else, including ronald reagan was. he was concerned about our energy dependence and worked to reduce this country's dependence. and he, alone, forged the enduring peace with egypt. jimmy carter was an honest man. he was ready and willing to tell the american people the truth. i will always be proud of working for him, rooting for him, wanting him to make it politically. losing was bad for him. not telling the truth, which he

refused to do even though it cost him politically would have been bad for the country. that's "hardball" for now. thanks for being here. "all in" with chris hayes starts right now. >> tonight, on "all in," america's first ebola patient is in trouble with his home country. liberia's president personally blaming him for carrying the virus into the u.s. >> the fact that he new and left the country, there's no pardon. >> the president is set to deliver a high profile speech to key latino members. plus, new allegations against the scandal-stricken secret service. find out who was flirting with who and what they revealed as a result. and i'll talk to the white mother of a biracial toddler who's suing the sperm bank for mistakingly giving them the sperm of a black donor.