involved, but my overriding theme from being a little boy preaching in brooklyn, to being a teenage activist, all the way to now, has been my fight for social justice. and those little people that bleed in the same fight are the things i'm most proud of. i'm getting older, learning how to do it better. thanks for watching. i'm al sharpton. have a great weekend. "hardball" starts right now. >> another beheading abroad and ebola quarantine at home. this is "hardball." ♪ ♪ knng, i'm chris matthews in washington. we begin tonight, this friday night with the latest horror from abroad. the islamic state has committed another beheading.

this fourth victim in a growing list is allen henning, a british aid worker. his wife had appealed for his release, and hoped for his safe return, especially after being joined in her appeal by dozens of muslim leaders in britain. this is going to drive the demand for this country to get even, if you will. this is humiliating, insulting, and a death of an innocent person. a cab driver who went to work for an aide program. this is their way of terrorizing us and the brits. this is the real fear, counterterrorism officials, the fear has been all along of a lone wolf, of an imitator, of what happened with the algierions, in australia, with the threat there that they broke up, that others will begin to imitate. not that these folks in isis have a way to attack the homeland, not like al qaeda

under bin laden. but they have the aspiration and others may try to imitate them. >> this is like a pendulum. even if it's just isis in syria, every two weeks, are we going to see a beheading? >> most likely. they have other hostages. homeland doesn't want to let on that we know as much as we do know. >> is this to get us in, or to get us out? >> it's to get us in. there's no question, it's to get us in and to create more of the anger against america. >> you mean our anger at them? >> our anger at them and also their anger at us. they have this crazy notion that we're responsible for all of the ills of the world. look at the past policies, they have certain things they can look at, but this is terror in its worst form. and air strikes are not going to stop this. we have to find them. >> they're blaming the air strikes for doing this.

>> but they started this before the air strikes. >> thanks, andrea. the other big story tonight, ebola is getting real and close at home. dr. nancy snyderman who spoke to us from west africa is now heading home for 21 days of quarantine for her and her fellow workers for nbc. one of whom has been diagnosed with ebola. here in washington, d.c., there is someone suffering the symptoms of ebola. the patient is under quarantine as well. in dallas, texas, we have a full-blown case of a person who came here from monrovia, liberia, and was turned away from the hospital with initial symptoms and only later admitted for treatment. other news tonight, president bush ii says has brother wants to be president bush iii. does the brother know best? and the jobless rate has dropped thanks to a quarter of a million new jobs. but does the middle class feel it yet? meanwhile, vice president joe biden calls his job a bitch.

we'll be getting into everything, also the emerging war between taxi drivers and uber. but first, ebola. the president's getting extremely serious, even as he attempts to calm the country as to the worst possibilities, or whether the disease can be kept from the shores. the president is sending up to 4,000 troops to west africa to take action in limiting ebola's spread. >> late today, the administration said they were you scaling up its response to ebola at home and abroad. >> every ebola outbreak over the past 40 years has been stopped. we know how to do this, and we will do it again. abbey philips is covering ebola for t"the washington pos." let me start with dr. moreno. the 21 days of quarantine for

dr. nancy snyderman, who was on this program last night from liberia, is that enough? >> everything points to the fact that that is enough, yes. i think we really understand with lots of experience, the natural course of the illness. i think 21 days is a confident number. >> if we had done that with the people on the planes, if they held them at the airport for three weeks, maybe that's impossible, but is that something we should think about down the road? having the quarantine before the people get on the planes to the united states and monrovia and other infected places? >> quarantines have a mixed record historically, in the history of medicine. you can't quarantine everybody who's going back and forth from that part of the world. really what we need to do is get more disciplined about the way people are communicating with each other. we saw the problem in texas hospital between the doctors and the nurses, and that's really where we need to focus our

efforts. >> dr. snyderman was talking about the situation affecting her now personally. >> we'd only spent two hours together. he and i were working in a work space when he told me he wasn't feeling well. he joined us 72 hours earlier as an independent journalist and had been in the country two weeks prior to that. so my suspicion is that he was infected before we met him and then he became symptom attic once we met him. we shared a work space, we shared being havehicles, we sha equipment. but everyone here is hyperalert. weave not been in close proximity, no one shakes hands. so i do believe that our team while we're being hypervigilant, we are at very, very low-risk. >> dr. snyderman was on the program last night and spoke this morning, is going into 21

days of quarantine in the united states when she comes home, which is right away. by the way, in washington, d.c., right here in the city i'm in right now, a patient is in isolation at howard university hospital with a possible case of ebola. here's what a spokesperson for that facility said today. quote, we can confirm a patient has been admitted to howard university hospital in stable condition following travel to nigeria and presenting with symptoms that could be associated with ebola. in an abundance of caution, we have activated the appropriate infection control protocols, including isolating the patient. meanwhile, in atlanta, georgia, a man arrested for drunk driving is in isolation. had a low-grade fever and said he recently traveled to africa. late today, officials said all test results have come back negative. initial tests. and a third potential case not far from here, in shady grove, the hospital said a patient was being isolated and tested for ebola. abbey in dallas, tell me, everything about this story now

that you know about this patient who came here from liberia, had symptoms, they wouldn't let him in the hospital, they didn't think they were ebola symptoms. then his nephew warned the hospital they got to take him. he got in. yes, this is a patient with ebola. what's his condition right now? >> the hospital says he's still in serious condition. he's been there for about three days now. so i think that's not surprising considering how grave his condition was when he was admitted on sunday. at the moment, his associates, the family that he was staying with, are still being quarantined. and finally, a lot of the soiled sheets and mattresses and personal belongings that he left behind are being taken out of that apartment. they are going to be moved to another facility that is not infected. i think there is just a sense of fear in this community. i think the family is fearful for their own health and

well-being. but on the other hand, all of these other cases in maryland, in washington, d.c., even in atlanta, are a direct result of everyone not wanting to be this dallas hospital that turned someone away, who actually had symptoms of this virus. they want to be proactive and on top of it. >> dr. moreno, it seems to me if you're a person, even if you think you might have ebola because of the symptoms and the doctors say you don't have it, then you go out and you mix with all kinds of people, because you have the sense of, well, i guess relief, even though you still have the disease coming into you. >> ultimately the experts have to get their act together. i think that is happening. you know, albert camu said there are plagues and wars, and we're always surprised when there's a plague and a war. we have to be better prepared and i think we'll learn something from that episode. >> do you think the president was right to say it would be unlikely for the disease to

spread to the united states? >> i think anybody looking at this four or five weeks ago, who knows anything about the way these things tend to work, once there was this outbreak in major cities in west africa, you know, i think most people believed it was going to come here, and i think we haven't heard about western europe yet. i'm in london tonight. i think it's likely there will be cases in europe as well. >> thank you so much. coming up, george w. bush says his brother jeb wants to be president. lindsey graham said he may jump into the race himself. and mitt romney says this about 2016. we'll see what happens. that's far from no. and the republican field for president, a big mystery. no front-runner at all. unemployment has dropped below 6% since before the financial disaster. but the middle class isn't feeling it. it's poorer now than it was 25

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>> i'm a senior at the college, vice president of the student body here. >> isn't it a bitch? [ laughter ] excuse me. being vice president. i mean, whoa. >> ain't that a bitch? nobody talks like the vice president of the united states. that's what he told a crowd of harvard students last week. but the veep's right. every kid in america dreams of being the president, or many do, not the vice president. right now, there are a lot of more republicans eyeing the white house in 2016 than there are democrats because of hillary clinton.

democrats have their front-runner by a mile. for the republicans, it's a mystery to me. in the past, we've had maneuvering at the starting gate. w. is out there yelling about his brother jeb wanting to run. speaking for his brother. mitt romney and playing hard to get. and lindsey graham saying he's thinking about run. then the other side, hillary clinton no one knows how good a campaigner she'll be. tonight, a special correspondent with the daily beast and a republican strategist. john, your field, let's start with the center right potential executive, that sweet spot, i call it, somebody who's been a governor, with experience, who can compete with hillary in the middle. who is that? do you think christie will run? >> i think chris christie is certainly running. as you know, there's a lot of reports that mitt romney maybe is taking a look at it.

you got to remember, the republican party is more complicated than this. it's really broken down into the social conservatives, the tea party, the libberitaryia elibbe. you have the hawks and the doves. last time when romney ran, he could be the establishment candidate. this time jeb bush potentially there, and chris christie potentially there. it's a smaller box, and i think it's more complicated. >> why is it a smaller box? you mean it's more crowded? >> yeah, last time there was nobody else in there. >> so you got a crowded box. is it now down to rand paul as the libertarian? >> i think so. i think fewer people will say, i'm the libertarian when we see what's going on in the war. >> watching from the other side, what do you see? >> i'd be surprised if romney gets in. personally. but that's just a guess. >> why is his brother out there

advancing him? >> no, you were asking about bush. i was talking about romney. >> romney won't get in until bush doesn't. >> right. but as john just said, there's no single establishment candidate. republican party going back to tom dewey. everytime the republican party has nominated, except for one, the guy whose turn it was, there's no such person, no establishment person, no person whose turn it is. that's why it's topsy-turvy and the hardest one to predict in my adult lifetime, i think. >> i think the international condition aces out the argument you can make which is let it alone. and rand paul, i'm close to him politically on these issues, he just said leave it alone. we're staying out. >> i think you've seen articles of recent that, is the window closing for rand paul, because now he seems to be out of step, not only with his own party, but

potentially with all of america. however, don't forget, ron paul set up some real votes in places like iowa and so forth, that rand paul is going to be able to step into and get some of those real votes. with the number of candidates there are this time, no one's going to win iowa with 35% of the vote. it will be 22%. >> i want to start a fight. >> no violence, though. >> there won't be any of that. i believe hillary clinton's last name, and she did change it back in the '70s or whatever it was, is a good thing for her. hillary rodham clinton. clinton's a good name. do you agree? >> yes. >> is bush a good name for jeb? how does that sound? do the american people want that, a third bush? >> and actually his mother said that. if you remember, she came out and said, i don't think america is ready for a third bush. and i think that's a problem.

but there's one other important thing. >> the name bush is a problem? >> i don't think it's a problem. >> you just said it was two seconds ago. you said it was a problem. >> i think the real problem for jeb bush is, the party has changed somewhat since his brother got elected in 2000. >> somewhat? >> i think, some of the issues that he'll be for, if you look at immigration and others, it's not where the party is. he's going to have to change positions or change what the party believes, that's impossible to do. >> and you're going to win votes this cycle on your tough immigration stand, i think, like new hampshire. you got a chance in new hampshire because of that. >> he's got a problem on immigration and -- >> when your wife's mexican, it's hard to have a different position. some kind of compassion for people coming here. >> i'm willing to say it's last name is a problem. probably not as enticing, but i'm willing to say it. we call him the standpoint candidate. he's from big state, big

important state, has some moderate tipositions, so he see like he could be more electable against hillary clinton. but if you look at polls, he doesn't run very well, not any better than christie -- >> i think when people hear the word bush -- >> i agree. >> republican primary voters don't say, who is the most electable. >> they're not strategic like that. >> so i'm getting two answers. is bush a problem or not? you did say it. >> play it back. i think the bigger problem is where he stands on the issue system not consistent with republican primary voters across the board. >> if you look at the proof in the gop field being open, look how mitt romney has evolved his story when talking to the press. back in january of this year, he was asked if he'd consider running again. his response, was no, no, no, no no, no, no, i'm not running

again. 12 "no" there. a cnn poll showing romney would win a rematch against president obama if the election were held today. romney was asked about running again last month, and this time he said, well, we'll see what happens. what's going on? >> i think there's two things going on. one is, i think he wants to be relevant. this isn't a slap against mitt romney, but if he says, i'm not running, nobody's calling him. number two, i'd be shocked if he ends up running. i just know how difficult it is to do. to do it a third time is really tough. >> reagan did it and won the third time. >> it's not the same as it used to be. it's gruelling, and much longer. and there are so many credible candidates. we talk about the establishment candidate, the establishment party of the republican party shrinks every time. look at why all these establishment candidates in the senate races have opponents.

it's a bad thing to be the establishment candidate. it used to be something you could run on. so i just think it's a very complex race for him. but heck, my client, rick santorum, everybody thought he was crazy, he won 11 states and almost got the nomination. who would have thought? >> that's a great line. who would have thought we'd be living in a world of ebola and beheadings. the war against isis has reen jazzed the hawks. in an interview, senator lindsey graham is now talking about running for president. quote, if i get through my general election this nfl, if nobody steps up in the presidential mix, if nobody's out there talking, me and mccain have been talking, i may just jump in to make these arguments. he took on marco rubio, painting him as someone frightened of his own party. he's a good guy but after doing immigration with him, we don't need another young guy not quite ready. he's no obama by any means, but he's so afraid of the right.

what's the knock on rubio there about? >> i think it's immigration. >> if you had a bet right now, ten bucks. >> rand paul, but keep an eye on, mike pence. >> i'm not making a prediction because i have skin in the game. >> are those unreasonable predictions? >> i think it's so complicated. you have a lot of credible candidates. it will be somebody out of the conservative wing not the moderate wing of the party. there's never going to be a moderate win the republican nomination for presidency that we'll know. >> so mitt's around as a moderate? >> conservatives are okay with mitt, but not in love with mitt. >> is jeb a moderate? is christie a moderate? >> christie's the most complicated of the bunch. because he checks the boxes, but he can make a better argument that he's been an outsider and a reformer -- >> we'll see what they s

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♪ ♪ [ applause ] ha! >> george w. bush says he thinks that his brother jeb wants to be president. george w. bush says he thinks jeb wants to be president. that's pretty scary, isn't it? george w. bush thinking. >> back to "hardball" and time for the side show. a republican ad campaign intended to show off cultural diversity of the gop. released earlier this month, the ad is called republicans are people too. it uses an array of photographs to highlight that republicans

come in all different shapes and sizes. they're just folks, that's the message. the only problem is, the photographs of the people in the ad, identified as republicans are actually just stock photographs. you buy them. available for download on the internet. so jimmy fallon had a little fun with that controversy last night. here's what he came up with. >> well, it turns out they didn't stop there. last night i saw a tv ad of theirs. it's obvious they're using a lot of stock photos. check it out. >> we here in the gop have real solutions for real americans. real americans like this old woman about to skateboard. or these two men playing chess while a parrot watches. or this man dressedad a cowboy drinking whiskey and pointing at his computer. we've heard from all of you, asian couple high-fiving, smiling man from the '90s, d.j. grandpa, and man in water with apple and little breab dressed

like a businessman. we're ready to fight for all of you. >> next up, another new ad out this week, a parody by the republican national committee. it's idea was to target young woman with a political spoof of the tlc reality series "say yes to the dress." they made several different versions, but here's one supporting republican governor rick scott against his democratic opponent charlie krift in the florida gubernatorial election. let's take a look. >> it's a big deal for me now they just graduated from college. >> the rick scott is perfect. >> rick scott is becoming a trusted brand. he has new ideas that don't break your budget. >> but mom has other ideas. >> i like the charlie krift. it's expensive and a little outdated, but i know best. >> but i'll be paying this off for the rest of my life. >> we cannot let her walk out of

the voting booth like that. >> mom, this is my decision. and i see a better future with rick scott. >> sometimes it's hard to let go of old styles, but it all worked out in the end, because brittany said yes to rick scott. >> i don't know what to make of that thing. anyway, up next, the round table. good news from president obama on jobs today, the lowest unemployment rate since the great recession. so why is the middle class being left behind? we'll see. we have the sights and sounds from the campaign trail. it got ugly last night between democrat governor dan malloy, who i think is a good guy, and challenger republican tom foley who ones served as ambassador to ireland. let's watch. >> tom has attacked my integrity several times tonight and i've kept quiet about it. but i can look at what's going on in other places and understand that people don't always do what you do, tom. they don't bankrupt companies,

they don't lay off workers, they don't treat people the way you've treated them in the past. you've questioned me and questions my integrity, i would not have done that to you, nor would i have raised these subjects but for the fact that you've gone a little over the top. >> yeah, you're a better prosecutor than you are a governor, sir. you were investigated for corruption in stanford. you were investigated for corruption. >> what you were doing was trying to imply that somehow i'm corrupt. i'm not. >> listen, we can call a truce on this stuff, which i think would serve the connecticut citizens well, or we can keep it going, governor. then there's trusting your vehicle maintenance to ford service confidence. our expertise, technology, and high quality parts means your peace of mind. it's no wonder last year we sold over three million tires. and during the big tire event, get up to $140 in mail-in rebates on four select tires. ♪

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residence. president obama is condemning the murder of al18 hennings by isis. and the u.s. has suffered its first loss in the campaign against isis. a pilot bailed out of an aircraft that was experiencing trouble during takeoff. welcome back to "hardball." we have great new jobs numbers in the country. unemployment down to 5.9%, the lowest rate since before the crash. the job gains were higher than expected, with almost 250,000 new jobs. i'm joined by ralph nader,

michelle bernard, and jonathan capehart. as i said, jobs numbers. with unemployment at its lowest rate since 2008, that's good news, but economically, the middle class remains stuck in neutral. "the washington post" says the middle class is poorer today than in 1989. these are some of the reasons. the middle 20% of households in the country even own stocks. so this bull market has been no help to 90.8% of the middle. 63% of the same people also own their own homes, but the values of which took a huge hit when the bubble burst. so we got a problem. let's talk about that. ralph, this middle that you think is the heart of the country. you would think would be benefitting when all boats rise with the today? >> not at all. it's being sucked into the low

income people. the word "poor" is not uttered. tens of millions of people today are making less today than 1968, adjusted for inflation. what we're putting forward is the minimum wage, which the democrats are talking about. but if you want to get things done, there's a petition filed by democrats in february, but they got 195 members on it to bypass speaker boehner's blocking of a vote on 1010 minimum wage on the floor. just needs 23 more, and it bypasses them. and after the election, the lame-duck session and 30 million people over aed period of three years will get a raise to meet 1968 -- >> are those republicans they have to get? >> yeah, it cuts right on that line. but there are a lot of republican districts, so we got them on give 1010 a vote.org. 50 republican districts where obama won it in 2012 -- >> give us the names. i'm looking at delaware county,

bucks county, pennsylvania. are those guys aboard? >> no. you can get it on give 1010 a vote.org. they're all listed there. to show you out of the mainstream, the republican senators and democrats in the house, tim pollenty, rick santorum, for higher minimum wage. mitt romney, higher minimum wage. they want less focus on public assistance. people can earn more they don't need as much assistance. >> let's go to republicans in office who are running for office and why they're afraid of minimum wage. >> the people who get out of it aren't running for office any longer. they're not worried about being voted out by the far right of the party. speaking of what you said, i'd like to make a proposal. santorum, pollenty, everyone

that are for increasing the minimum wage, i'd love to see them caucus with the black caucus here in washington. the unemployment rate for african americans hasn't moved. at the height of the recession it was 16%. >> this is the end of the recovery at some point. >> and if you're african american, the jobs numbers are horrible. >> this is the problem with the business cycle we live in. it grows and grows and then it pops again. we can't expect it to be over? >> no. you know, i actually like your idea, michelle, of having these folks work with the congressional black caucus to actually do something about this. >> wouldn't you like to see the meeting -- [ all speak at once ] >> the only problem is finding republicans who will join this meeting. it's only the emeritus republicans that are doing this. >> but the argument for minimum wage is to reduce the pressure to use tax dollars for public assistance.

they come at it from that way. >> but you make the entire middle class part of the working poor. make them all unemployed or close to unemployed, sort of relegate people to a permanent underclass status, everyone's going to be on food stamps. so the argument works against them. >> what makes me suspect that their immigration policy and their minimum wage policy are the same? what they want is cheap, illegal labor in the country, to make beds, cut lawns, keep it well below ten bucks. >> what about the border, the border! >> they always like the border, but they want cheap labor. >> that's why the "wall street journal" wants open borders. they're soodiiding with that. >> let me talk about this other thing. i'm looking at the republican party and i just had a discussion with bray bender, they don't have a candidate. which is remarkable because they have a chance. everybody knows with hillary, it will be 50/50.

where's their party? they don't have anybody. >> they have lots of people. the only problem is, the people who could actually -- >> how about a grown-up? >> -- won't give hillary clinton a run for the money, can't get the nomination. that's the problem of the dynamic of the republican party. >> ralph, i have to cause trouble. if you have a democrat like hillary clinton running, she's no lefty on anything, probably more hawkish than most democrats. >> by far. >> then you go get a real right-winger republican, will there be a third-party candidate? >> i think so. maybe a fourth party. >> how about a third? >> there may be two. >> who would run on the left? >> maybe a spin-off, you know, the senator from virginia. >> tim webb? >> yeah, he could spin off. >> would you back him? >> i like his anti-war and he's a veteran. >> i like that part too. >> and he's got a lot of good views. we cannot have a empress nominated. i mean, what is this, america?

they're already writing -- >> calling her an empress is like people calling the president the emperor, or the tyrant. i think that's a little unfair. >> she's a mill tarrist and a corporatist. >> what is she supposed to do? lay down and let somebody beat her? >> she should be the hillary clinton of 1970. >> what we should have, what's needed is a republican candidate who can actually come to the table with some real ideas that are worthy of debate, and not the cartoon characters that we saw in 2012. and going back to the point i was making before, the problem that the republican party has is, it has a base that loves cartoons, but a nation that is looking for leadership. so chris christie, portman, casic, maybe even scott walker, all these grown-ups [ all speak at once ] >> a good portion of the party

is still thinking obama is from west africa. >> hence the cartoon. >> and quite frankly, in a primary, what did they do for even the most normal republican? what do they do for the party of the party that is anti-black, anti-gay, and anti-women? >> i'm touching you. we got to go back. should we have restrain of trade? should cab drivers with their medallions which cost a quarter million bucks in some cities? should they be able to stop the competition from uber? we'll be right back in a minute with more politics. design safer. faster computers. smarter grids and smarter phones. think up new ways to produce energy. ♪ be an engineer. solve problems the world needs solved. what are you waiting for? changing the world is part of the job description. [ male announcer ] join the scientists and engineers of exxonmobil in inspiring america's future engineers. energy lives here.

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back with the round table, michelle bernard, ralph nader and jonathan capehart. now to the taxi versus uber debate. taxi companies want to ban the uber ride sharing app because cabs are having trouble competing with uber's lower prices and what some call better service. recently a panel was asked if uber should be allowed to compete on equal footing without price and route restrictions. all 40 of them agreed and sided with uber that competition is a good thing. one of the panelists was president obama's former chair, who enthusiastic supports competition from uber, saying, yes, yes, a thousand times, yes. jonathan, you like to look in your computer and phone and call up a car. >> yes.

>> these are not union? >> no. >> they're not registered? anybody can do it, right? >> you have to go through some checks and things with uber, but it's like up off a corner but here is why i like uber and here -- >> they're insured? >> yes. >> what i like about uber here in washington i can get a cab wherever i am when i want it within three to five minutes, the person either knows where they're going or is willing to let me tell them how to get to go where i want to go and it's cheap and in the key thing, i don't have to have cash on me. i enter my credit card information, uber takes, that way once i hit confirm car, the car comes and it pace. here is the other thing -- >> are they guilty of the old cab driver thing of not minorities to certain neighborhoods?

>> ubish taer takes me where i o go and no more nonsense of not taking me or driving by. >> ralph, i know how to predict which wail you go. is it restraint of trade? >> equal protection of the laws, cab drivers have their abuses if they have to meet safety, insurance and driver qualifications so should any other competition. you have two economies here where you don't know who is picking you up. you don't know the quality of the car itself and the cutthroat competition is now putting more of these cars on the road, so you got people getting part-time change challenging people who have full-time careers to support their families. a lot of conflicts of rights here. it hasn't settled yet, and when it does you'll see a stronger effort to put them all under common regulation even though if you open it up.

>> you have to be bonded, insurance policy to protect liability, you go to pay somebody if you get in an accident. >> absolutely. the thing to remember about uber, i would disagrow on the chump change part of it, the people you talk to who are uber drivers are loving uber because they can supplement their income in very larn large numbers. drivers are making easily a if you hundred dollars to $1,000 extra per week. >> are they cab drivers? limousine drivers? >> no, they come from all walks of life. some might be limousine drivers. some might be part-time teachers, some might be computer programmers, they do all sorts of jobs but the other thing about uber is that when you get that car, when you get the confirmation a car is coming you get the name, you license plate, and the picture and if you need to reach them before they get to you you can hit contact driver and call them. so, it's not like you're being picked up by some random stranger. >> sounds like airlines with

brand new flight attendants in their 20s, no veterans, no packages to pay for, brand new airline, no union, no pensions to pay for and for a few years it's the greatest deal in the world because they have no responsibilities. >> what's happening, interesting, you it hasn't all settled yet. in orange county, california, there are so many uber and lyft drivers they're not getting rides. they're polluting the air, congesting traffic for less and less money. so, it hasn't settled out yet. >> well -- >> and lyft and uber are fighting it out. >> what's lyft? >> a competitor. >> the moustaches on the front of the car, which i don't get. >> freelance people? >> right. they're taking larger commissions, cutting the amounts drivers get. they're cutting corners, that's why we have to have uniform regulation. you may want to change the regulation, break some taxi cab cartel, et cetera, but you have to have uniform regulation.

otherwise, people who have families and they are full-time cab drivers, are going to unfairly suffer. >> i will tell you my father was a cab driver. he drove a cab here in washington in the 1960s where every place fired him because he refused to walk drew the back door. he was doing this while he was in dental school. >> what do you mean? >> he would show up at a country club and they would say come through the back door, he would say i'm a man i will not walk through the back door. >> that explains me. >> if uber existed then he would be with uber today. >> write a book, would you? >> would you be my editor? >> i love these talk, nobody is having them. >> thank you. we'll be right back. they think salmon and energy. but the energy bp produces up here creates something else as well: jobs all over america. engineering and innovation jobs. advanced safety systems & technology. shipping and manufacturing.

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let me finish tonight with the news that john f. kennedy proo fi profile in courage award to the first president bush, being honored for courage in 1990 in cutting into the growing federal deficits, cutting a deal with congressional democrats for spending cuts and revenue increasess and created the economic balance that brought on the era of economic growth in the '90s and creation of budget surpluses in the '90s. when this was happening i was washington bureau chief of the "san francisco xm examiner" and

what i wrote then that i believed then and now, quote, this week, george bush took the difficult steph of ending republican party's economic isolationism. it was not fun. instead of skwg the country in 1988 to read his lips he gave the media a chance to read us his clips. all those frisky statements he made as candidate about never raising taxes. he gave two reasons for the change of heart, economics and politics. he needed revenue to help cut defendant sit and couldn't get those rev news without taking the heat, personally. what mr. bush didn't mention was a third reason for the dramatic switch on fiscal policy, dealing with the international role. no american president could continue to meet with the leading industrialized nations as mr. bush will in july in the seat marked world's biggest deadbeat. we can't sell treasury bonds to pay operating expenses and expect to be treated as the post cold war leader. the president took the lead here

and declared support for tax revenue increase, citing budget that can be enacted. that's application that's works and that's "hardball" for now. "all in with chris hayes" starts right now. tonight on "all in". >> he's obviously scared to death. the last 24 hours have been incredibly difficult for him. >> the nbc news cameraman infected with ebola is coming home. as the federal government puts all hands on deck. >> every ebola outbreak over the past 40 years has been stopped. we know how to do this and we will do it again. >> tonight, after one hospital dropped the ball the drumbeat to stop all travel from west africa picks up. >> i think we need to take steps to ban travel until we know we've got this situation under control. then -- >> texas abortion regulations can take effect as planned. >> the