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victim. the questions are mounting in dallas from the liberia man diagnosed with ebola this week, the first person diagnosed in america. the man, thomas duncan, first misdiagnosed. now the obama administration trying hard to reassure americans that everything is under control. now we are as of this morning one week out from the mid term elections. we want to get to the death of allen henning. the new video out by isis that seems to depict. henning was driving an ambulance in syria when he was taken hostage. he was the lone non-muslim in a humanitarian relief convoy.

david cameron offered this statement. >> we will use all the assets we have to try to help these hostages and their families and do everything we can to defeat this organization which is utterly ruthless, senseless and barbaric in the way it treats people. and this will be the work that we continue. >> and in the same video with henning's execution isis militants say they will take the life of peter cassick next. according to his family he changed his name after converting to islam while he was in captivity. u.s. also suffered the first apparent death in the air campaign against isis on thursday with the disappearance of corporal spears who was ejected from an aircraft over the persian gulf after it lost

fire. richard engel joins us this morning. what is the latest you know about this latest isis beheading with allen henning? >> reporter: unfortunately, it is very similar to the other that we have seen. we have seen four now almost identical videos with the same killer, a man with a heavy british accent holding a knife in his left-hand, the hostage in a nondescript desert environment. they are forced to read a statement explaining why they are about to be killed and then the beheading itself. they usually end or all have ended with a threat to carry out the execution of another hostage and this ended with the threat to carry out beheading of an american, former soldier who left the military and decided to

change his life trying to help syrian refugees and then founding an aid organization going into syria and being held captive. it is a propaganda move, a move by isis to instill fear. i think it is also an attempt by isis to try to draw the world in. isis knows these are provocative actions. it knows that beheading an american on camera and that taunting the american people, taunting the u.s. president is the kind of thing that could provoke action and it did. it was these beheading videos that compelled the u.s. to launch its military campaign against isis. now it seems that isis wants to draw the u.s. even further into this conflict because isis thinks the more deeply the u.s. gets involved especially if there is a ground component a bigger quagmire the u.s. finds itself in. >> in doing this for the

attention they want and reaction from the united states. they have named their next potential victim, an american. we have seen this move before. this particular man, allen henning who was just killed, this was an aid worker, a cab driver who was taken up a collection to have an ambulance to do relief work. this was nobody associated with military or british intelligence and yet they killed him even apparently with objections from al qaeda. given that background and given there are other americans being held captive right now is there a realistic prospect for getting them out? >> there was a rescue attempt that happened around the 4th of july weekend. the u.s. is conducting bomb missions. there is a lot of reconnaissance aircraft in the sky. if anything the possibility of

getting better intelligence, real time intelligence in iraq and syria is better now than it was in july. i wouldn't want to put a percentage on the chances of a rescue but i would say the chances of a rescue are probably higher than the chances of the hostages being released. >> a little bit of encouraging news to end it on. richard engel, thanks for joining us this morning. really appreciate that. going to turn to the washington bureau chief. so we are just digesting this news from yesterday. what is your reaction? this is something we have seen before. there is sort of an established pattern here. richard talked about the prospects of maybe getting better intelligence to get some of the hostages out in the future. >> i believe that isis through these ugly killings is trying

not only to recruit people and challenge the west and local allies but also to expose what they believe as the impotence of the west in general. this is the fourth victim. and they believe that they can get away with this because maybe in the recess of their minds the united states and allies are not going to create an effective ground component that will go along with the air campaign. if we continue to rely on the air campaign isis can continue its expansion. six weeks after the air campaign began in iraq and two weeks after their campaign we see isis is in the outskirts of baghdad. they are on the move in both syria and iraq on multiple fronts including besieging the mostly kurdish city next to the

turkish border and running the risk of provoking turkey into the fight. it gives you an idea about their arrogance cht given what happened on the ground in the last six, seven weeks one can see why this arrogance is based on some pretty rational calculus. where are the ground components to take on isis? today we heard general allen essentially saying that for iraq to retake mosul this will take more than a year. this gives an idea of the odd asity of isis and the brutal nature of the alliance. >> there is a report in the "new york times" that suggested back on september 20 residents in syria near apparently where the execution took place of allen henning -- >> this is the capital.

>> saw what they believed to be allen henning being taken on a truck into this hill with heavy video equipment taken with him. looks like the same place used quite possibly for the other videos. seems to me that is a big clue about where the guys are being held. it also suggests the videos are being shot in anticipation of news because this video was released because of the decision by the brits to join the coalition but if the september 20 date holds true that is before it happens. >> i think they are planning to kill the hostages regardless of what the west does or does not, really. it tells you something about the nature of this group. also, i think the intelligence community probably would know that these hostages were held in a fairly secure place for isis.

the problem is it is about a quarter of a million people there, a fairly large city. it's difficult for the united states or the brits or any other western power to try to rescue these hostages as the united states tried in the past and unfortunately failed when they sent special forces to rescue them. this is going to be difficult. and i think unless the united states and its allies, regional allies and european allies rethink taboos and assumptions about including special forces in the mix to go along with the air campaign i think isis will get away with murder. >> washington bureau chief, thanks for joining us this morning. we will talk -- white house says u.s. is

prepared to stop spread of ebola. the pentagon is sending more troops to west africa to deal with the crisis. up to 3,600 americans in uniform. u.s. officials feel the need to reassure americans that they can and will control the outbreak probably because of pictures like this, a car wrapped in plastic. officials believe thomas duncan road in that vehicle. they are trying to keep any possible contamination limited. when duncan went to the hospital with symptoms of the virus and told officials he had been to liberia they responded by sending him home. yesterday a haz-mat cleaning crew scrubbed down the apartment where he was staying. a fifth american, a freelance cameraman working with nbc news team in liberia.

only five people here in the united states have contracted this or are treated here for it. how much of this is just hype and how much is grounded in justified concern that hospitals on the front lines of the outbreak as well as government officials haven't been doing enough? joining me is dr. corey hebert. thanks for taking a few minutes this morning. there seems to be more confusion as the weekends as there was in the middle of the week as exactly what happened with the hospital in dallas with the patient from liberia. we know he was released. the hospital saying there is a screw up with his medical records here. now the hospital seems to have changed the story and said his travel history and case history was fully accessible to everybody on the medical team there. if that is true that question now stands out to more prominently than ever why did this guy leave the hospital?

>> if ebola reaches outbreak proportions it is not because of the ver lns of the organism. it is because of lack of education and systems management in the united states and communication between the agencies. we look at the department of transportation. we look at the cdc. they are not working in concert. we know that the cdc can do what they need to do to make sure that on the ground that things are taken care of. the most important thing is that we can't treat anything unless we know there is something to be treated. we have to communicate. i am telling my health care workers out there, please make sure that you ask those very serious questions that you weren't usually asking six months ago because this is the land of the odd now. we have to look at the things. i will tell you this, also. their public health system is unparallel.

they do a great job. however, we got to always know that we have to know what we are treating to be able to treat it. and that hospital, if they are starting to change medical records based on the severity of their foibales down there that is something in the medical community we will not stand for. we will make sure we get to the bottom of that. >> this is the first ebola case diagnosed on u.s. soil. this is a gentleman who came in from liberia where the outbreak is out of control at this point. when he came over here when he travelled here was exhibiting no symptoms. there was an issue over whether he potentially lied in leaving liberia and entering the united states about his potential exposure to ebola. he knew he had been around people who had this and who had died from this. he knew he was coming to the united states. it raises the possibility that others in his position might try to do the same.

it seems logical if you are turned away from hospitals in liberia you think you might have this most human beings are going to take that chance if they can. what can and should the united states be doing to deal with that? >> i have to say there will be no way that the united states can screen every person coming into our country for ebola. that will not happen. it's impossible. the only way that can happen is if we close the borders which is not going to happen. if you are trying to get out of a place where people are dropping like flies you are going to do whatever it takes to get out. that is human nature. i am sure that is what he did. we have to not forget the real problem is once he came here he told the medical professionals he was there and they didn't do what they were supposed to do. boots on the ground, nurses, medical office assistants, everyone has to work in concert so that this can't spread in the

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exactly one month today on november 4 it is election day. democrats just got some of the best, probably the best economic news for all six years of the obama presidency. the unemployment rate which reached over 10% early in president obama's tenure is

under 6%, the lowest since july of 2008 before the wall street melt down. last month the economy added nearly a quarter million new jobs, much stronger than expected. this morning moments ago the president touted the new numbers in his weekly address. >> this progress has been hard, but it has been steady and it is real. it is a direct result of the american people's drive and determination and the decisions made by my administration. >> this is the campaign season. plenty of democratic candidates trying to distance themselves from the president. in a speech thursday in his hometown of chicago or near his hometown of chicago obama tied himself to all of the candidates. >> i'm not on the ballot this fall. michelle is pretty happy about that. but make no mistake, these

policies are on the ballot, every single one of them. >> so this is it. we are in the mid term campaign stretch. democrats are scrambling to keep it. there is a lot of big things in the news besides this. where do we stand with one month to go until these mid term elections? here are discuss are jessica taylor and founder of the reproductive groups advocate group, liz winstead. josh, you are the econguy. seems to me looking at that, that is the best news they have gotten on the jobs front since obama has been president. >> it is not just this month's jobs report. it means we have added between

2.6 million jobs. for several years we were stuck at the 2 million jobs pace. the economy really is picking up and that is good news. i think the president is still in a difficult position to really go out and campaign about that because people don't feel like the economy is great because the economy isn't great. it has taken six years to get to this point. what is interesting about this election is that we are getting out of years of permanent crisis. for years people hated what was coming out of washington. the 2010 and 2011 elections had enormous implications. people can reasonably argue about how important. congress is probably not going to do very much regardless of whether democrats hold the senate or republicans take it over. it mostly matters for judicial nominations. this may contribute to low energy around the election. >> that is something i had been

thinking about is the choices. if you say the republicans are going to keep the house the question is the senate. do you have a lot of grid lock or just gridlock? i feel sometimes people may have figured it out. >> i think that's why clearly all the energy is on the senate right now. the big question of whether it flips and things. even trying to get through a new attorney general is going to be difficult whether they try to do it in the lame duck or new congress. this is the best news that they have gotten coming off a disappointing august jobs number which democrats were cringing at. >> do you think it translates into anything for democrats? >> i think it can give a little uptick. it may be too little too late. when you are sitting at home and when this is affecting you real time you are not going to care about the numbers coming out. it is like the kitchen table politics of it. if you are not feeling the

economic boost, was i better off six years ago. when obama gave the speech at northwestern and said i am not on the ballot but policies are, you could feel the cringe. that was the sound you didn't want when you have a president mired in the 30% and approval rating. 30%, he is the biggest drag on them in these states that they need to win in. i think it probably is a little too little too late. >> a month out, a can remember a year ago at this time we are saying the government is shut down and this is the big issue for 2013 and healthcare.gov goes bonkers. where do you think the mood of the country is right now? >> i think the mood of the country, i don't know if there is a mood of the country versus a mood of where the particular

races are being run. it is interesting to me to watch the incumbent races versus when the seat is opening up to two different people. when you look at the infighting and like a chicken in my lawn that is a giant issue or michigan with how those ads are just comedic in tone. in michigan they are pushing the reproductive rights issue and michigan is such a crazy train. then you look at kentucky where it is like i am more pro coal and pro gun than my opponent. i think rather than the country i like to look at where things are happening and how it will shape as far as the senate goes. >> i think this is a very tribal campaign. people are running a lot of campaigns. democrats are trying to attach

to broad dissatisfaction. they see republicans being like not even so much the specific policies about contraception as whenever republicans talk about contraception they sound out of touch with voters. i think it reflects the limited policy implications. democrats are trying to run a campaign where we are democrats and we have values that we share and that is why you vote for us. there is not going to be a minimum wage increase in the next congress. >> it is more philosophical. >> i will put you on the spot here. right now if you had to guess republicans taking over the senate and democrats keeping it where does it end up? >> slightly better chance for republicans. we have a story on our website looking at where we are one month out. we have seen really good polls for republicans this week certainly whether it is continuing good numbers in iowa, kentucky. colorado is one i wouldn't have

thought we were talking about a year ago at this time. that is where we have seen a neck and neck race there. the math has always been on republican side. i think the question coming out was could they not screw up primaries like they did the last cycles. the only republican incumbent in serious danger is probably pat robertson. >> we will get into this, we will have three new polls to unveil but we are looking for the big campaign killing mistake. it was bruce brailly in iowa. that is why iowa. we have to go. we will be back in a bit. what does the secret service do to fix itself? that is next. when folks think about what they get from alaska, they think salmon and energy. but the energy bp produces up here creates something else as well: jobs all over america.

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secret service director julia peerson hasn't been enough to stop the steady stream of embarrassing disclosures about security lapses. bloomberg news reported a man made it back stage to a secure area at a dinner where the president was speaking by impersoning a member of congress. on tuesday we learned an armed man road in the elevator with the president and secret service agents with the president had no idea he was armed until they ignored the order and discovered a weapon on him. oophorwhat she described a very difficult she resigned as secret service director. she got the job oophoranother

humiliating scandal back in 2012 in which nine agents brought prostitutes to rooms on official presidential trip to columbia. and now after an even more shocking scandal she is out. it is the job of interim director joseph clancy to fix the troubled agency. he is currently head of security for the cable company comcast. what will clancy bring to the table that pearson didn't? and what will the agency address with deeper problems. joining me now is democrat from massachusetts. i want to start by playing comments at tuesday's hearing with pearson. >> i know you have a lot of wonderful people over there, but this is not their best work. this is disgraceful.

this is absolutely disgraceful that this has happened. i am not going to mention the fact that it took us four days to figure out that somebody had shot seven rounds into the white house. this is beyond the pail. i have listened to your testimony very deliberately here this morning. i wish to god you protected the white house like you are protecting your reputation here today. >> so congressman, reporter who covers you in boston said in 15 years of covering you he has never seen you as angry at that hearing. why was that? >> we had a lot at stake. good morning. thanks for having me. the basic safety of the president and his daughters and his wife, it's at the core of our ability to have a stable government. and it's very troubling that we can't even perform that basic

function. it's not a question of one instance. there has been a steady drum beat of these lapses. and then what makes it even more infuriating is after the lapses there has been cover up and efforts to minimize the risk to the president. we need to shape things up at the secret service. i think we are doing that right now. i think the decision for director pearson to resign was the right one. and i think joe clancy could right the ships, so to speak, if given the resources and the time. >> so what is the key there? because the irony in all of this is that pearson was brought in after another scandal that trip to columbia in 2012 and the house cleaning that took place after that. she was brought in to make sure no embarrassment like that happens again. here we are two years later and she is leaving because of a

bigger series of embarrassments. now we have a new director. what else has to change or what does that person have to change? >> i think it is important to remember that pearson was brought in after the incident with the prostitutes in columbia. they brought in someone who was antthetical to that type of behavior, that frat house behavior. she was probably the right person to do away with that, but i think they neglected to look at the core security concerns that should be the priority with the president at the white house and within the secret service. she might have been the very best person to get rid of the frat boy mentality and the antics that were going on there in columbia. clearly, i don't think she was a good fit for the job of protecting the president, the white house and doing the core mission of the secret service,

which i think joe clancy will be. he was on the presidential detail. i think it is a big job. if he is just the interim director i think that probably the full implementation of the reforms that these panels will come up with will be left to the next director and maybe to the next administration. >> congressman steven lynch from massachusetts appreciate you taking time this morning and talking about an important issue. still ahead more reaction to the beheading of another western aid worker in syria and the red state democrat that many believe will be crucial if democrats are going to hold the senate in november. senator joe mansion of west virginia will join us live. ng r adventure starts with knee pain. and a choice. take 6 tylenol in a day or just 2 aleve for all day relief. onward!

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now. thanks for taking a few minutes and being on the show this morning. i want to start by playing a clip. i am sure you have seen this by now. i want to play a clip of the president this week at northwestern university laying out his case for the stakes of the 2014 mid terms. this is what he said. >> i'm not on the ballot this fall. michelle is pretty happy about that. but make no mistake, these policies are on the ballot. every single one of them. >> so, senator, these policies, my policies are on the ballot this fall. republicans put ads out linking democratic candidates to that statement saying you want to vote against obama here is your chance. did the president hurt your party's cause in the red states by saying that? >> well, he makes it more challenging, let's put it that way. we have four of the incumbents who i am very good friends with

talk about mark baggage in alaska. he is an absolutely excellent candidate. mark is a moderate centrist. it is a personal connection. i have been down with mary landrieu and talked with kay hagan. these are four excellent legislators who basically are right in the moderate middle. they represent republicans and independents just as feverishly as the democratic party. you lose the middle and we lose america. i don't want to see extreme right and extreme left. we have to be americans first. these are four good americans. i hope to come back and are able to serve with me. >> we played the clip when you were on morning joe and asked would you want the president campaigning with you. this was in politico this week. i wouldn't want the president to

campaign with me and i wouldn't want him to come to west virginia. why is that? explain why you are so unhesitatingly saying no to that. >> first of all, let me say that i have been in washington long enough to know that i'm not a washington democrat. i am a proud west virginia democrat. mary landrieu is a proud louisiana democrat. we believe in giving people a chance and believe in the under dog having a chance. we believe in things that we were raised in our states. that is different than what the washington crowd believes. i have friends who aren't washington republicans, either. with that being said washington has basically grabbed this thing and split this country apart. you have to have reasonable people like kay and mark and mary landrieu. these are reasonable people who want to stay in the middle. the president basically has moved further to the left than what my state ever will. i don't agree with his policies.

some i do and some i don't. i speak up openly about that respectfully. i don't think you are going to see mary landrieu not speaking up. she is as tough as they get. they are going to take care of north carolina. they are going to take care of louisiana, arkansas and alaska. that is their first and foremost priority. the president has to understand that. look at our voting records. there is a lot of things the president wants me to support and i say it doesn't make sense in west virginia. it doesn't make sense. we need an all-in energy policy and get our financial house in order and get a direct strategic international policy to let terrorists know how we are going to handle them. we said in west virginia after 13 years bogged down in that area money or military might would have changed that part of the world we would have done it

by now. in west virginia we understand the definition of insanity. you don't do the same thing over and over and have a different outcome. i always want my president to do well. i want to represent west virginia. i'm telling you -- >> in one of the areas specific to west virginia where there have been differences with the white house, an issue where you have had common ground and still have common ground is the issue of guns and background checks. you and pat toomey from pennsylvania who teamed up for the background check bill last year. mary landrieu in louisiana was with you on that. you were campaigning for mary landrieu this week. the nra is spending money now, has ads up in louisiana attacking mary landrieu on gun control, really because of that vote. it looks like they are trying to send a message here. are you worried if mary landrieu doesn't win after standing with you on the background check bill

and nra campaigning against her, if she doesn't win does that have a chilling effect on having other democrats like her to sign on for stuff like this in the future? >> i respectfully disagree with the leadership of nra in washington. the rank in file members is truly protecting the second amendment rights. mary landrieu will fight to protect the second amendment rights. we call it common sense. treat me like a law abiding gun owner that i am. don't look at me like i'm a criminal because i own my gun. with that we have our rights that were taken away many years ago in this bill. all we had to do was say if you don't know somebody, if you go to a commercial transaction at a gun show, close the loopholes. if you are on the internet close the loopholes. you don't want people buying your gun that you don't know who they are. you don't want a person who is a

criminal. we don't do that as law abiding gun owners. for them to distort that saying joe manchin or mary landrieu and you can't get caommon sense legislation without exaggerating it. if i can't look at something in a common sense manner and try to explain it, if i am afraid of losing a vote then i am the wrong person in washington. if you want a yes person pushing people to the far right or far left this is common sense. i don't want a criminal. i don't want someone who is insane or irresponsible to have a gun. and i want to know. we should be doing a better job. the bottom line is don't treat me like a criminal because i am a law abiding gun owner. i want to do the right thing. leave me alone. >> i want to ask you something that a lot of republican candidates are asking the democratic candidates. do you think harry reid is a

good majority leader? >> harry reid is a good man. a good majority leader he is overprotective. we have told him let the system work. if the republicans want to filibuster everything is make themselves look as obstructionists let them have a chance to prove that they are trying to obstruct justice. if we have to stay there 24/7 and vote all night long let us vote. i would rather go home and explain why i voted for something or against something than have to go home and defend why i'm not voting at all. i came to washington to do something. the people in west virginia expect me to do things to make it better in this country. if the u.s. does well, west virginia is going to do just great. i am asking harry to open the system up. there are quite a few of us doing that. >> you are up for reelection in 2016.

your seat is up in 2016. you have been making statements -- >> 2018. >> you made statements you are not sure you want to stick around. there is a potential for run for governor in west virginia. you said i have never been in a less productive time in my life than i am right now. sounds like you are not too happy there right now. >> steve, i am frustrated. the bottom line is in west virginia when i was governor we love our state as everyone that basically serves loves their state. i was able to get things done in west virginia because we brought people together. i didn't chastise republicans because i was a democrat. these are my colleagues and friends, i need to work with them. what happens in -- i am going to wait to see what happens 2014. if i don't think it will change i will take a hard look to see if this is a place i want to finish my public career out doing nothing. >> that is an interesting

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president obama responded to the latest killing saying quote standing together with our uk friends and allies we will work to bring the perpetrator of allen's murder to justice. only one day before the u.s. suffered its first casualty in the air campaign against isis. a marine went missing in the persian gulf after he ejected from the aircraft. earlier this week president obama was pressed on how isis has been able to make so many gains in recent months. >> how did they end up where they are in control of so much territory? was that a complete surprise to you? >> i think our head of the intelligence community has acknowledged that i think they under estimated what had been taking place in syria. >> he didn't say that we under estimated isil.

he said we overestimated the ability and the will of our allies, the iraqi army to fight. >> that's true. that's absolutely true. >> the director of the national security agency is also expressed regrets about not having foreseen the threat of isis. in contrast to the administration's claims nbc news reports there is a paper trail as far back as last winter. intelligence and military officials tell "new york times" late last year classified reports painted an increasing ominous picture of the growing threat. back in february michael flynn told congress that isil probably will attempt to take territory in 2014. white house officials say they were trying to take action but were constrained by the iraqi government that was fanning flames. did the u.s. see the threat and try to act on it or not?

our post 9/11 apparatus is massive. 1.5 million people who hold top security clearances, is it too much data to process or did the administration reluckant to be drawn back to iraq not want to see what was there. joining me is colonel lawrence wilkerson. washington bureau chief and michael kay, retired lieutenant colonel in the british royal air force and now a foreign affairs reporter. let me start with you because that interview on 60 minutes we showed a clip with the president basically was back and forth this week between the intelligence community and the white house and the "new york times" article said here is a quote from somebody from the article saying some of us in the intelligence community were pushing the reporting but the white house didn't pay attention to it basically saying you could

see the rise of isis and the deterioration of the iraqi army and the white house didn't want to get drawn back in. do you think there is validity to that? >> i have a lot of experience with the u.s. intelligence community, pleev believe me. that article reeks of leaks trying to cover their own butt. i think there is guilt or blame to be shared on the political side or intelligence side. i would add that i think he said he overestimated the military based on the lies he was told by the military leadership in 2008, '09 and '10 as it insured that the iraqi military that they spent billions of dollars on and trained was adequate to the task of defending its own national borders. there is blame to go around for

everyone here. >> the flip side is the white house presented with this material and how did they respond? there is also the question of people in the intel community can say we had this pinned down and we put it all together. a question of maybe did they push hard enough. is this something after the fact they are saying we had it or did they feel confidently or push hard enough or not push hard enough. >> the information has been out there. i this can like all of the complexities everything leads back to assad. i travelled to tripoli which is the city in north lebanon over a year ago, september, a year to this month. i spoke with a big proponent of the islamic rising within syria. he told me about the organization called isis growing in aleppo. and he told me about the recruitment process. they had already had offices set

up all over europe and uk and america where people could come in and effectively offer their services to isis. here is the problem, steve. i think we have to get our heads around this. let's go back to assad. isis is not the only islamic group fighting in syria. you have the islamic front and free syrian army. the primary objective is to topple assad. that is how they came about in the first place. the west have known about these groups for a long time. i spoke to a free syrian army commander last september. they have been there but have been allowed to grow and be supported by the likes of saudi arabia as a proxy force so the west doesn't have to get involved. so that's the way it has worked but it has back fired. and like with afghanistan in 1980s where the cia funded them against soviets and they turned into taliban we are seeing

history repeat itself. >> it raises the question, the two components of this, the strength and the ability to take territory that isis has shown rather quickly but the deterioration of the iraqi military, iraqi armed forces. if the united states nine months ago, if at the top levels of the united states decided this is a priority we want to address that, could the united states have brought about -- would we be in a different place right now. could we be in a significantly different place? >> maybe marginally. if there is a failure here there is a political failure for not seeing the full complexity of what is happening in iraq and syria. we know about isis and the habitation between isis and assad regime. we all know that turks turned their eyes away when they

allowed many to cross borders and money from the gulf and other sources. but i don't think this is an intelligence failure because everybody knew about the rising power and influence of isis. when the president of the united states was saying that this is a junior varsity group when he was referring to isis general flynn was saying that we expect them to move from their bases in syria to go to iraq to prove that they can control other places. the fact is that as christopher hill, the former u.s. ambassador to baghdad said we did seriously ignore iraq. i think the president of the united states subcontracted iraq to his vice president joe biden. i don't think joe biden did an excellent job.

this requires presidential attention. i think both president bush ignored the secretary yn pa policies. and push the brittle political structure in baghdad to do a better job. it is badly led and became worse under malaki. it lacks discipline and that is why it crumbled. >> so on that point and on the current condition of the iraqi army it was general john allen who is sort of coordinating the coalition for the united states over in the middle east right now said yesterday the iraqi military would not be in a position to retake the city of mosul for around another year. basically we have to wait another year before you can make

a move there. is that time table given political realities in the country, is that too far off to be planning something like that? >> i think that is probably a little bit of an overestimate of the time that would be necessary if the political structure above it were adequate. i hope with iran's help they are looking for the political structure right now. let me say none of the forces of the so-called islamic state would have been successful if it had not been for tribal administrations that support them. they support them in an alliance with convenience with saudi money behind it, of course. what they are doing is they are refuting the awakening that david petraeus created where they became allies of the u.s. in order to establish stability. once that government turned on

them and prisoned them and killed them in some instances and pushed them out of the political power structure they sought alliances in order to overthrow the government in baghdad. so this is a far more complicated issue than the media especially the mainstream media is making it out to be. it is very complicated. it is more powerful in terms of the islamic state forces because of the temporary alliances than it is because of innate fighting capability that they possess. >> my thanks. michael kay sticking around a little longer. we will be right back. more. like a new meticulously engineered german sedan. finely crafted. exactingly precise. desire for such things often outpaces one's means. until now. hey matt, new jetta? yeah.

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slaved for 100 years. democracy takes time to take hold. there is impatience with the process. americans have to understand that the lesson of 9/11 is as important today as right after and the human condition matters to our national security. >> former president george w. bush on thursday talking about the threat of isis. to discuss this issue further bring back the panel. jessica taylor from the hill. founder of reproductive rights advocacy group lady parts justice. we are talking 2014 everything in the air here. george w. bush who gave rise to the democratic majority, he reappears this week. how do you think america reacts to hearing what he had to say this week on this? >> i think it is interesting when he talks about the stability of one place is congress to american stability

at home. the question i just ask all the time is whether it is bush or obama, when you keep bombing people and then thinking you're ending the current regime of terrorists creating new strains, when you no longer have a history of seeing hope, what happens? that's the part that scares me the most. he keeps proppaligating we need to do this. where do we go when the country we keep attacking no longer has a history of there was peace and it was great and all they have is a history of terror. >> it seems when you look at the public's reaction of all of this there seems to be broad support for the steps that the president has taken so far. there was a surprising support for me potentially for having boots on the ground. when you start asking people questions there is a certain

sense of futillity. they don't think this is going to work. they just feel what else are we going to do? >> right after 9/11 people wanted action. when you saw us attacked at home in such a significant and devastating way they wanted us to do something. that is why you saw such support for president bush right after that and he continued into iraq before it became a bigger crisis. you look at one year ago there was zero support for air strikes in syria. now there is and i think it is because when you see pictures of americans being beheaded and such atrocious actions you have the public wanting something to be done. whether this is arming the moderate syrian rebels or air strikes or things i think you have a public who wants something done when they feel this is happening to an american overseas what is stopping them from coming here. >> talking about the difference between a year ago when the president said i want to do air

strikes in syria at that moment that rand paul strand of nonintervention looking like this is the future of the republican party. now after the beheading i am looking at somebody like rand paul making hawkish sounds lately and it makes me think the ground is shifting. >> you had a period where people bought into the idea that we really needed to try to remake middle eastern society and do what president bush is talking about in the clip that you have to change these foreign societies. i think people have come to the view that that is not productive, not our role. we failed at it. how do we protect the united states and how do we make sure that whatever problems exist in the middle east or anywhere else in the world do not become security problems for the u.s. i think people didn't think air strikes were productive because it was presented as preventing

humanitarian disaster in syria but fundamentally a syrian problem. because of the beheadings i think a lot of americans have overreacted in terms of what they think is the risk to the u.s. homeland. now they view it as something not done in order to change syria but to try to protect the u.s. there was a striking poll people don't think that the u.s. campaign is likely to be effective in destroying isis. >> you see it is the question of risk like you watch these beheadings and people perceive a direct risk themselves. there is also just the basic human instinct they did this to us and we are not going to do something back to them. >> the other question i ask is what has changed other than the beheadings which are horrible? we say things like the moderate syrian rebels, what has changed that we can identify them? when i hear that i feel like

that sounds like mumbo jumbo. we say it is these people because it seems that yesterday's or today's moderate rebel is tomorrow's next isis. that seems to be it. for me i feel like these words come into play. i don't know what a moderate rebel is. it is counter intuitive to begin with. i don't know what is different from august of last year to now other than we have this elevated isis thing. everything that surrounds it it seems like we don't have more information. >> i think it is the beheadings. if people are fascinated with beheadings. if they were shooting these people to death it would be morally similar action but would not capture americans in that it has. we have allowed isis to hijack our political process by doing these publicity stunts in a way

that has drastically changes the decision making we are making about foreign policy even though the situation on the ground has not changed -- >> i would say we talk about the recent history in the middle east in groups like al qaeda springing up. it does seem even on a scale of where there is all sorts of bad and rotten and evil what isis represents, this is new in a way. this is something that al qaeda is not comfortable with. >> this isn't something you can put a label on. this didn't come out of iran or iraq or something necessarily. the people on the videos of the beheadings have british accents. i think that struck people. there is news of american citizens going over there and joining isis and things. i think when you put -- when it feels like it is more home grown here in the u.s. or the fact that they could get back in with american pass ports or british passports i think that has a lot

more people on edge, these are people more over in the middle east. >> can i interject quickly? in all of the conversation the one thing that hasn't happened is i want my representatives talking about us going to war. that is not enough. our congress has not debated it. that is really upsetting to me and a lot of americans. >> congress doesn't want to own this. >> there is a demand that they do because they represent us. we are sending people -- >> they are doing the most cynical thing, not just that they are not voting. the leadership and this goes for both parties, democrat and republican leadership told members and said anybody asks you say i want to vote on this. i think we should be voting on this but we are not going to make you vote. seems like they have agreed on that. >> i think especially democrats, if there was an october surprise i think it was everything that happened in september with isis and with this.

republicans poll so much better on national security and national security concerns. that is why you are seeing it pop up in campaign ads we need to do something with the threat, voters trust republicans more on that. both sides i think there is the wink and a nod like we voted, we are arming the moderate syrian rebels. it is very ambivalent. >> if you are a republican there is this opening of the weak obama administration that can't handle this. if you are a democrat you can distance because i can't believe he is not coming to us for a vote. like hold me back. i want to vote. >> not really. >> my thanks to josh bayer, jessica and liz will stick around for up against the clock. we go to dallas next. when folks think about what they get from alaska, they think salmon and energy. but the energy bp produces up here

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the dallas hospital treating the first ebola patient diagnosed here in the u.s. is backing up. reported gaff that seemed to have allowed the hospital to send a symptomatic ebola patient. texas health presbyterian hospital said there was no flaw and the history was available. charles hadlock joins us now. this two versions of the story from the hospital here about how this guy was initially released. do we know what the truth is? >> still raises a lot more questions, steve. earlier the hospital had said that there was a flaw in the system that the nurse's software was slightly different than the doctor's software and the two didn't communicate the fact that the patient had been to west

africa as the nurse had written down. they said that the doctors never saw that because of the software flaw. late last night the hospital issued a two paragraph clarification basically saying there was no flaw in the software, that the doctors and nurses have the same information about the patient's travel information. there is no word about why that connection wasn't made to perhaps hospitalize and isolate the patient two days earlier than he initially was on sunday. >> and the other issue, charles, is this patient's family living in the area and apparently it wasn't until yesterday that hazard crew came to begin cleanup at this house. what do you know about how that is going and where this family now is? >> well, it took five days, as you know. the cdc, the texas health officials, county health officials all knew that this man was staying at an apartment complex about a mile from here

at the hospital. but it took until friday for crews to actually begin the cleanup of that apartment. in the meantime the four people that were living there were having to stay there isolated from everyone else. the county tried to find other housing for them in apartments or hotels but no one would take them, they said. it wasn't until the county administrator reached out to faith based organizations and found a home in aigated community separate from houses where the family can stay for the remaining time of their isolation. they are relaxed at home there now temporarily. in fact, as the judge was driving them from the apartment complex to the new home one of the kids in the family asked if he can have a basketball and the county judge said absolutely we will get you a basketball so they can enjoy a little bit of freedom at this new house away

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>> all right. thank you contestants. thank you studio audience and thank you at home for tuning in for another exciting edition of "up against the clock" the fastest paced news and current event show on basic cable weekend mornings. we have three new contestants. you probably know them already. we play for three rounds. 100 points in the first round, 200 in the second and 300 in the third. contestants you can ring in but you are penalized for incorrect answers. there are two special bonus questions hidden throughout here. he will get to them when they come up if they come up. our contestance are playing not just for victory and glory and honor but also a chance to play in our tournament of champions. to qualify you are first going to have to win today. as always i implore our live

studio audience. with that, contestants, are you ready? >> yes. >> they look and sound ready. this is the 100 point round. 100 seconds on the clock. we start with this. in an unusual move the pollster who conducted it on thursday retracted a poll showing mary burke running five points ahead of scott walker in this state. >> wisconsin. >> 100 points for liz. the end of the 12th inning on tuesday night was the end of the season for this bay area baseball team. >> san francisco giants. >> incorrect. >> jessica. >> oh, angels. >> incorrect. >> i will finish it for you this bay area baseball team that fell at the hands of the kansas city royals. >> i have no idea. >> you didn't ring in so no points lost. correct answer oakland as.

this has become symbol of hong kong. >> umbrella. >> that is the video bonus trigger question. we have a bonus question asked to you by a special celebrity guest. there is no penalty for guessing here. you get an extra 100 points if you identify who said this quote that our celebrity will now read to you. >> i am chalk todd with this week's up against the clock quote of note. which future u.s. president said there is nothing wrong with this country which a good election can't fix? good luck. >> do you know who said that? >> let's go with jimmy carter. >> i'm sorry, it was richard nixon, a man who knew something about fixing elections maybe. nothing ventured, nothing lost. let's go with 100 point tossup question and start with this.

six years after leading -- >> my friend sarah silverman. >> 100 point tossup. >> i came within 59,000 votes in one state. for three hours i was president said this former major party nominee this week. it was john kerry. john kerry said that. former president bill clinton cut his first campaign ad -- >> against mitch mcconnell and i'm blanking on the name. >> allison grimes. >> supporting pro choice candidates endorsed by emily's list during her book tour. >> leah doneham. >> we don't get in. the round ends. liz with 200 points to the lead. jessica out of negative territory. michael yet to get on the board.

he knows the good stuff is still coming. the 200 point round here. they get a little different in the second round. these are twice as hard but twice as valuable. 100 seconds on the clock. we will restart the game with this 200 point question. his recommendation to keep troops on the ground was ignored by president obama this former cia director writes -- >> writes in his memoir. >> if reelected to the senate in november he will explore a run for the presidency. >> 200 point tossup question. president obama spoke on thursday at this major midwest university. >> northwestern university. >> correct. stop the clock. this is the use it or lose it bonus question, jessica. the use it or lose it bonus question is somehow related to the question that i just asked you. it is worth an additional 200 points if you get it correct.

however, it is not without a risk. if you get it wrong you lose the 200 points you gained. it is your choice. i have the question here. will you use it or lose it? >> sure. >> she will use it. >> so how many times in its history has northwestern's basketball team reached the ncaa men's basketball tournament? >> never. >> it's correct. never made it. 200 more points for jessica. we start the clock. 200 point tossup. based on the hit 1980s tv series the new denzel washington film was last weekend's highest grossing film at the box office? it was the equalizer. a new u.s. chamber of commerce ad in the alaska senate race features -- >> mark -- >> rand paul. >> correct. 200 point tossup.

on tuesday california juv juv jerry brown signed the nation's first statewide ban on this item commonly used at grocery store checkout counters. >> plasic bag. >> first lady michelle obama was in massachusetts to campaign for martha cokely who is being challenged by this republican. >> charlie baker. >> 200 more for jess. 200 point tossup. this movie star with well known boston roots refused to wear a yankees hat while filming scenes for "gone girl." >> jessica on an absolute tear. 1,600 points. far and away the leader as we head to the third round. still very much anybody's game because these questions are worth 300 points. it does not take much to get back into it here.

we put 100 seconds on the clock and dim the lights for dramatic effect because we crown a champion. 300 point question here. 1:40 on the clock. four sitting governors made a surprise trip to afghanistan early this week. name one of them. time. cuomo, sandoval, haslo. on thursday the u.s. partially lifted ban on lethal arms equipment sold to this southeast asian country. michael? going to need an answer. >> yemen. >> incorrect. >> any answers here? vietnam. 300 point tossup. former georgia senator said his daughter was discouraged from running in this race by this top -- >> harry reid.

>> harry reid discouraged her from running. director says isis is using imagery from this film as propaganda in new flyers. the film is "noah." 300 point tossup question. i have to ask my husband replied this democratic congressional leader when asked if she will continue in her role beyond 2016. >> nancy pelosi. >> speaking in chicago this week this former federal reserve chairman said the mortgage market is so tight -- >> bernanke said he couldn't get refinancing on his own house. newly released securities filings show over the summer hackers seized private data from 76 -- >> jp chase morgan. >> we accept that. not enough for you because jess

ran with it. 3,200 points. you are today's champion and bill wolf will tell you what you have won. >> as our champion your name will be engraved using the finest sharpy ink on the up against the clock cup and a dvd copy of "cocoon 2 the return" and get to play in our jackpot round for a $50 gift certificate to food cart in manhattan operated by a former chef at the russian tea room. i had it for lunch today. delicious. enjoy the meal. congratulations. >> quite a prize package. there is the cup. don't drink from it. lots of toxins in there. i have for you your jackpot bonus question. for $50 for some of the best food you have eaten here is your

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priceless. we always talk about joe biden moments. he was up at harvard up in cambridge the other day. he was talking to a bunch of kids. one was the vice president of the student body at harvard. if i could own half the world some day. today the vice president of the student body at harvard, joe biden had this to say. >> whoa. >> see, i always say i love joe biden. i like it. that's a classic joe biden moment. >> any time he shows his humanity, it's different than a gaffe because they don't know anything. joe biden speaks his mind, and it's part of his charm. where would joe biden be without joe bidenisms? >> it's real. people say things so scripted and you call it a gaffe. it feels to me like we're always saying we want these politicians

who have real blood in their veins and say what's on their mind. then we punish them. we just punish them. biden is what we say we want. >> he comes out. you know, health care is a big deal. he says what's on his mind certainly. also, what he said is true. being vice president is a very -- it's a nongratifying job for a lot of people. john adams wrote things telling how horrible he felt the vice presidentsy to be. i think as a sitting vice president, i think he loves it. i do. >> yes. >> he wants to be president in his mind. but just let biden be with hillary. >> john in the 1930s said the vice presidency is not worth with a warm bucket of spit. a pretty nice house. >> charisma is fantastic. i don't think we see enough of it in our political leadership. it's got to be married with integrity. you've got to have integrity. without that the whole credibility piece goes.

>> so we have time to go around and ask as we always do at tend of the show. what do you know now that you didn't know in the week's beginning. >> in texas the fifth circuit held up a horrible law that strips texas women of you are their fundamental civil rights as far as reproductive health care goes. it's terrible. >> that was big news this week. >> i found out oakland as is bay area team. that was a big education for me. i still think we don't know the answer to syria. we need to keep working on the political road map. if we don't have the political road map, air strikes will be short term, ineffective and possibly detrimental. >> and i'm assuming you know tennessee is going to beat florida. >> we are going to beat florida. i have faith in my football team that we've turned things around.

on a serious note for the midterns, one thing is as much as we talk about republican end fighting, democrats, don't be surprised if we see them point fingers, who is to blame if losses. you have former senate majority leader backing the democratic candidate. it's a muted open warfare. but certainly it's democrats lose like, you're going to see more finger pointing on the democratic side. >> i owe you a big thanks. we didn't coordinate this ahead of time. you set up tomorrow's show. the democratic senate candidate from south dakota has harry reid and tom daschle at odds with each other. rick will be on the show. we're going to this ask about that campaign and that race. that's tomorrow. a lot of other stuff tomorrow. including brand new polling data on three of the biggest senate races that bl be released during the show tomorrow.

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