Skip to main content

tv   Melissa Harris- Perry  MSNBC  October 4, 2014 7:00am-9:01am PDT

7:00 am
t under this tree. ♪ (man) some things are worth holding onto. they're hugging the tree. (man) that's why we got a subaru. or was it that tree? (man) introducing the all-new subaru outback. love. it's what makes a subaru, a subaru. this morning my question, will the roberts court determine the fate of the u.s. senate? plus, the new subprime lending crisis. and the women of texas, their health and jeopardy, but first, the ebola outbreak gone global. good morning from new york. i'm dorian moore in for melissa
7:01 am
harris-perry. the militant extremists known as isis have be headeded a fourth western hostage. isis released video showing the execution of british aide worker alan henning who was taken hostage in syria in december. now they're threatening the life of an american captureded in syria last year. president obama condemned the beheading. the obama administration is also taking action on another international crisis. the ebola epidemic. akorlding to the world health organization, more than 3300 people have died of the disease. friday the pentagon said it's prepared to send 3,600 military personnel to west africa. five americans have been diagnosed with ebola. white house officials stressed it's not easily spread and the
7:02 am
current outbreak can be under control. >> every ebola outbreak over the past 40 years has been stopped. we know how to do this and we will do it again. >> a freelance photographer for nbc news is the latest american diagnosed with ebola. he was working in liberia with nancy sneiderman and is expected flown to the united states for treatment. the team has shown no symptom ls. they're being flown back to the u.s. to be quarantined for 21 days as a precaution. this comes as officials in texas try to determine how many people may be at risk from an ebola patient now in isolation at a dallas hospital. thomas duncan was diagnosed after arriving from bye leer ya on september 20th. and there are new questions about how holt officials have handleded the case.
7:03 am
charles hadlock joins us with the latest. what can you tell us about the latest information from the hospital where dun kan is being treated? >> well, good morning. the hospital said earlier in the week the reason the doctors and nurses let this patient go last friday when he came into the hospital, even though he said he was from west africa is because the software problem in the hospital's intake system. they said the nurses and doctors used separate different systems and they didn't communicate well with each other. ch last night the hospital put out a statement saying there was no flaw in the software. the doctors and nurses had the same information about eric duncan's travel history. why it wasn't taken into account, we don't know. >> charles, what can you tell us about the family staying in that dallas apartment with duncan? is. >> duncan was staying with family and friends in an apartment about a mile from the hospital. he was taken out of the house on sunday, a week ago.
7:04 am
the family staid for another four or five days until yesterday when clean-up crews arrived to clean out everything the man had touched. the bed sheets, towels and other items will be disposed of and incinerated in the next few days or so. the family itself has moved to a new location here in dallas. an undisclosed location. not ha florida facility, but a house in a gated community. the administrator says they will stay there for the next 20 days until the incubation period is clear. they have shown no signs of being ill. but they be tested twice a day during this time. >> we will have much more on the ebola epidemic later in the show. right now we turn to the coming november elections and the small group that could impact their results. this november nine people could determine the outcome of the
7:05 am
midterm elections. nine people could decide if wisconsin governor and union buster scott walker stays in office. nine people could decide if north carolina's government continues to be dominated by bun et slashing conservatives. these nine people could determine control of the united states senate. these nine people sit on the supreme court. a year ago the court gutting the voting right act. now the same nine justices will be deciding on restrictions like photo i.d. requirements and cuts to early voting will come into play in this year's crucial midterm elections, and it's all coming to a head right now. on thursday the aclu asked the supreme court to block wisconsin's strict photo i.d. law from going into effect for this year's election. the samety republican governor of new york north carolina asked the the supreme court to stop same day voter rej station for the mid-terms. and on monday the supreme court
7:06 am
stepped into ohio's fierce battle over early voting. early voting was supposed to begin this past tuesday. this p whoufb what they called golden week in ohio. a week to register and cast your ballot all at once. but 18 hours before election offices would have opened, the supreme court stepped in. in a 5-4 decision, the court ruled the ohio legislature in the cuts to early voting can go into in effect for this lerk, despite challenges from the naacp and others. that means no evening, after workday hours for early voting. and one early sunday when african-american voters held straight from churches to the polls. in 2012, 157,000 people voted on the days that have now been cut. by r but republicans said the state has more than enough early
7:07 am
voting. >> in ohio we vote for a month. we have sunday voting. none of them have sunday voting. we have saturday voting. they don't. we do a great job of making it easy to vote and hard to cheat. >> let's go back in time to the reason ohio has early vote manager the first place. let's go back to 2004. the presidential election went again to george w. bush. it all came down to ohio. the edwards campaign waited until the next day to concede because of ohio. because holing places in ohio looked like this. lines stretched for ten or more hours. the last in line didn't get to vote until 4:00 in the morning. one estimate is 3% of voters who went to the polls gave up because of the long lines. that means more than 175,000 people may have been disenfranchised by a bottleneck at the polls. ultimately ohio went for
7:08 am
president bush, clinching the electoral college. it was an embarrassment for ohio officials, and so things quickly changed. in 2005 the ohio state legislature approved no fault absentee balloting, allowing them to cast a ballot by mail or in person up to 35 days before election day. that vote happened along party lines. all of the legislatures, republicans, voted to approve the early voting. all its democrats voted no. nearly ten years later republicans say ohio doesn't really need early voting anymore. we've been here before. and it didn't look like democracy. at the table this morning, dale ho, director of the aclu's voting project and zach roth, msnbc reporter and joining me from cleveland is nina turner. candidate for ohio's secretary of state. good morning to you.
7:09 am
>> good morning. >> what will these do to voters do? and to have mr. houston at the last minute ask for an emergency stay of the united states supreme court and cause for more confusion, i would argue in the 21st century voter confusion is another form of voter suppression. you laid out the number of voters that have voted. it the definitely cause a negative impact on african-americans, low-income voters, and homeless voters and the plaintiffs argue that, and i'm glad dale is here successfully through the courts until this current secretary of state did what he did. i would like to add when he asked for the emergency stay of the united states supreme court, he said this was about states' rights. and all of us know what that buzz word means when people talk about states' rights and the ugly history attached to the
7:10 am
country with that. >> so you said voter confusion is another form of voter suppression. >> absolutely. >> and let's be very clear about this. which voters are being hurt by this. >> well, disproportionally african-american, homeless voters. and in the case, the studies presented to the judge show clearly all ethnic groups who are socially and economically challenged will have more barriers with the removal of evening hours. so working class women and men in the state of ohio who have two or three jobs will not have the same access to the ballot box they once had. for mr. houston to argue what other states have, it's a faulty premise. the cure presented post 2004 was a cure for the state of ohio, and what we should be doing is encouraging other stats to rise to our level and not attempt to
7:11 am
disenfranchise voters because you think they will lean a certain way. this is un-american, dorian. and it's happening all across this h country. >> the court decided this less than 24 hours before voting was supposed to begin. is that fair to the voters? >> absolutely not. there were people going to vote on tuesday. i went there instead of voting with a group of folks, we held a press conference instead with faith leaders and locally elected officials and state officials to say this was wrong. i talked the to a woman who lived in cuyahoga county. her husband is going away for ten weeks to honduras. he was going to vote that particular week. now that opportunity hash taken from him. so again when you have folks using their political might, and this is at the hands of republicans, to suppress, regress and oppress the vote, something is wrong with that. we are going backwards. and this is really about the great state of ohio deserved.
7:12 am
he is causing con dpugs. the current attorney general that helped argue the case con dpugs. and that's why we need a different secretary of state. i'm running for that. different elected officials who believe in expanding and protecting access to the ballot box for all people. it shouldn't matter how people want to lean. people should have access to the ballot box. we should not disproportionally disenfranchise any group. the judge was very clear this is a violation of the 14th amendment to the united states constitution and also a violation of the section two of the voting rights act, which i'm sure dale can go into. >> state senator nina turner in cleveland, ohio, thank you very much. how the supreme court is impacting voting rights is far from ohio only issue. who else has their rights at risk when we come back. there comes a time in everyone's life when you want more.
7:13 am
like a new meticulously engineered german sedan. finely crafted. exactingly precise. desire for such things often outpaces one's means. until now. hey matt, new jetta? yeah. introducing lots of new. the new volkswagen jetta. isn't it time for german engineering?
7:14 am
[♪] great rates and safety working in harmony. open an optimizer +plus account from synchrony bank. visit myoptimizerplus.com to open an account. service. security. savings. synchrony bank engage with us.
7:15 am
7:16 am
after president johnson signed the civil rights act, he immediately moved onto what he called the meat in the coconut. a voting rights act. some of his administration argued that's too much too soon. but the movement knew that if we rested after the civil rights act, then all we could do was pray that somebody would enforce those rights. so whenever i hear somebody say they're praying for me, i say thank you. i believe in the power of prayer. but we need more than prayer. we need to vote. >> that was president obama speaking at the congressional black caucus foundation last week. okay, dale, i'm going to turn to you here. this is your case.
7:17 am
how did the the other side convince the supreme court to allow these cuts? >> actually, we don't really know. the supreme court issued a one-sentence opinion saying they were going to stop early voting from starting in ohio 18 hours later. if i have to guess, here's what i think. the other side has been arguing that there's a sovereign prerogative of a state. to decide how it's elections are going to be run. but i think what that misses is that state sovereignty derives legitimacy from the elector itself. so when politicians try to gain the system, that calls into question the legitimatesy of the rules they're trying to enforce. >> are we going to see long lines in ohio like we did in 2004? what do you think will happen? >> i think lines are something we always have to be concerned a about. but it wasn't so much a return to 2004, but the targeted information of the very low voting opportunities that low-income people need. golden week was an opportunity for people to register to vote
7:18 am
and cast a ballot at the same time. ch thousands of people have done that in ohio since it's been established. these voters aren't going to have the opportunity anymore. it was lost this week. >> the court is now weighing in two other requests to respond on voter i.d., voter suppression laws. tell us what's happening in north carolina. >> well, in north carolina we already know that much of north carolina's sweeping and restricted voting law they passed is going to be in effect. and that's maybe the strictest voting law we've seen so far. what's at issue is two provisions, which north carolina officials are now asking the supreme court to also put into effect. one is the cut cuts to same day registrati registration. the other is a ban on counting ballots that were cast in the wrong precinct. again both things disproportionally affect
7:19 am
minority voters. north carolina is really going to the map for every piece of this restrictive voter i.d. law. >> as you say that. i'm just thinking we live in a democracy. don't we want to encourage people to vote? so wisconsin. that's north carolina. what's happening in wisconsin? >> so in wisconsin, i was here a few weeks ago and told you about the decision of the panel of the seventh circuit made where they allowed wisconsin to implement voter i.d. law for november. we asked the full court of seventh circuit to reconsider that decision. they deadlocked 5-5. it was a tie vote, which meant the original decision stands. on thursday we went to the united states supreme court asking them to stop this. it changes the rules of the game during an election already under way. there are hundreds of people who have already cast absentee ballots before the i.d. law was put into effect. they're going to be disenfranchised. their ballots are going to be
7:20 am
thrown in tgarbage because they obeyed the rules at the time they cast their ball los. >> there's texas, there's arkansas. what i find fascinating. there's a republican country dad for attorney general purged from the voter rules under arkansas's strict laws and there's outrage by the republican party about this. will it take republicans being hurt by the the laws for them to change their mind? tell us about arkansas, texas, is there an opportunity for in arkansas the gop to possibly rethink these efforts? >> i'm not sure. you pointed out the g.o.p. useded to be in favor of early voting. now ten years later they've turned against it. it's partly because some politicians have seen the demographics shift. before 2008 your average early voter was older, more conservative than the median voter, was wealthier. 2008 flipped the script. since that time the early voting pool has become more diverse, become younger.
7:21 am
it's become more people of color. r more low-income people have been using it. then all the sudden the politicians who had no problem, all the sudden it's too expensive. nothing changed between 2005 and 2014 about early voting other than who is using it. >> zach, will minds change on this? >> i don't think so. i think dale is right. and all of the sudden, the other thing is, they find this rational that every county has to have the same hours of early voting no matter the differences in population. i think the big picture and it's easier for me to say than dale, the current protections we have to protect voting rights are just not strong enough or maybage guile enough to do the job. that's not only because of the shelly county decision. wisconsin wasn't covered under section five. this was a law designed 50 years ago to stop certain things.
7:22 am
it really hasn't had a lot of experience with cuts to early voting. and we're finding it's not always perfect to do that job. swrujs will have different interpretations of racial discrimination. what's a burden on volters. >> great. thank you so much again to dale ho and zach roth. ch up next, they call it the everything store. jeff basos' amazon.com. ing beate chocolate chip cookie. nestlé toll house made with real butter, eggs, and brown sugar for that scratch made taste. well now you can bake as few or as many as you please. frozen and ready to bake, new nestlé toll house frozen cookie dough is made with wholesome ingredients like the original recipe and lets you bake just the batch you want. so bake the world better, and turn any moment into a warm cookie moment. find them in the frozen aisle. nestlé. good food good life.
7:23 am
from the experts in feminine protection. introducing dance-all-you-want bladder leak protection new always discreet underwear for sensitive bladders. only always discreet underwear has soft dual leakguard barriers to help stop leaks where they happen most. plus a discreet fit that hugs your curves. you barely feel it. new always discreet. now bladder leaks can feel like no big deal. because hey, pee happens. visit alwaysdiscreet.com for coupons and your free sample. when folks think about wthey think salmon and energy.
7:24 am
but the energy bp produces up here creates something else as well: jobs all over america. engineering and innovation jobs. advanced safety systems & technology. shipping and manufacturing. across the united states, bp supports more than a quarter million jobs. when we set up operation in one part of the country, people in other parts go to work. that's not a coincidence. it's one more part of our commitment to america. i know... this third shift is rough... it's just a few more weeks max! what are you doing up? it's late. i just wanted to have breakast wih you.
7:25 am
dad,thank you mom for said this oftprotecting my future.you. thank you for being my hero and my dad. military families are uniquely thankful for many things, the legacy of usaa auto insurance could be one of them. if you're a current or former military member or their family, get an auto insurance quote and see why 92% of our members plan to stay for life. it looks like one of those fights way above most of our pay grades. another clash of powerful corporations. and while literary big whigs turn up the heat by demanding the justice department investigate amazon's business practices, some insiders say this could trigger a seismic
7:26 am
shift in american culture for decades to come. they are deadlocked over the price of digital books and how to slice up the profits. amazon wants to cap most ebooks at $9.99 and take the rest of the cut. leaving the rest for authors and publishers to split. >> you know, the customers want low prices. and i know it's going to be true ten years from now. they want fast delivery. they want fast selection. it's impossible to imagine a future ten years from now where a customer comes up to me and says jeff, i love amazon, i just wish the prices were a little higher. >> he and many others have voiced complaints over amazon's pricing plan, but it also may be one they can't refuse. amazon reportedly accounts for an astounding 40% of all new book sales and more than 60% of ebook sales.
7:27 am
and while other publishing houses wait to see if they will be the first to blink, amazon is accused of playing hardball with authors in order to get them to cave. a group says amazon has eliminated preorders, jacked up prices and delayed shipping to a snail's pace on a number of titles. it caught the attention of paul ryan while poo moromoting his n book. >> clearly amazon is making a power play, in my opinion. and i think for the sake -- >> very hard to buy your book. l. >> because that's what amazon is doing. >> do they have monopoly power? >> you can go to barnes and noble and get it easily ats a discount. >> and it may not be fair retribution from amazon keeping publishers from making waves. in 2012 the literary world
7:28 am
received a costly smack down when they accused five industry leaders for a pricing scheme with apple to raise the cost of books. all five settled, rather than going going to trial and costing millions. joining me now is heather mcgee and peter sutterman and dennis johnson, cofounder an copublisher at the brooklyn publishing company melville house. so both sides are waiting for the other to blink, what happens if they blink first? dennis? >> what happens if hay they blink first would mean that the other companies coming up next, which seem to be simon and shuster followed by harper collins, would also have to blink. and then we would see a total victory for amazon. and that's the idea.
7:29 am
thousand of titles. it was a very drastic move. and it was meant to tell the publishers up next you better make a move. >> if they fall, will the the others cave after them? >> the interesting question zooming back is what is at stake and why is it so important to amazon's business model? amazon has not embraced profits as the goal, right? which is quite rare to see from big corporations or any of the competitors actually have to drive for profits. what is important to jeff bezos' view of victory is increasing market share. and so that's troubling. for a lot of people that it's in the realm of ideas and books a
7:30 am
little bit scary in terms of what will be the marketplace when one powerful retailer can say no to certain publishers and certain titles. it's really quite scary. i don't think we've had a conversation about what kindover world we want where amazon sells everything and can control the the distribution up the pipeline of sofl many products. >> and some of the numbers you said earlier. "the new york times" reports amazon controls 50% of the american book market, not 40. and for ebook sales, i can ategs to those numbers as well. amazon is 90% of our digital sales. >> that's huge. >> so amazon has released a statement in the defense. we have to work hard to make sure books are competitive gns media types and a big part is working hard to make sure books are less expensive.
7:31 am
we recognize that writers want to be left out of the dispute. they have made three separate officers to take them out of the middle. hatchette and their parent company have dismissed these offers. are they overreacting? >> this is business negotiation between two big companies. and i think what's at stake here is pricing for books and pricing for readers. it's how much it costs to access books, and that's what bezos is clearly focused on. but also allowing opportunity for offers. these created huge opportunity for people who want to write and publish books outside of the traditional publishing structure. and people making tens, hundreds of thousands of dollars. they are making a living writing self published books. and what's interesting that
7:32 am
doesn't get talked about much, those books are not carried in brick and mortar stores. they don't want to carry amazon published books. they've taken a hard line against books that publishers do deals with amazon where the price is relatively low. brick and mortar publishers don't like low ebook prices. they view it as a threat to their bottom line. and this is what happens. >> amazon is delaying the books from hatchette. paul ryan made that statement and then all the sudden a 180 and amazon is promoting his books. >> within hours. >> it seems to me to not pass the sniff test. >> and i'll point out every layer of the publishing industry, not just the publishers, has come out against amazon in this fight, including the authors in question, that
7:33 am
amazon is charged as -- i think they called them collateral damage. the authors said no. they've united together with other authors to stand up to this agreement. that's the united organization taking out full page ad is in "the new york times" and other papers to stay stand up to amazon. >> we have more to get to after the break. is amazon a monopoly? i'll bring in the right expert to answer that question. ♪ want to change the world? create things that help people. design safer cars. faster computers. smarter grids and smarter phones. think up new ways to produce energy. ♪ be an engineer. solve problems the world needs solved. what are you waiting for? changing the world is part of the job description. [ male announcer ] join the scientists and engineers of exxonmobil in inspiring america's future engineers.
7:34 am
energy lives here. whefight back withes crelief so smooth.... ...it's fast. tums smoothies starts dissolving the instant it touches your tongue ...and neutralizes stomach acid at the source ♪ tum, tum tum tum... smoothies! only from tums. so i'm going pro. [ male announcer ] new crest tartar protection rinse. the only rinse that helps prevent tartar build-up and cavities. a little swishing. less scraping. yes! [ male announcer ] new crest pro-health tartar protection rinse.
7:35 am
7:36 am
[ male announcer ] new crest pro-health ring ring! progresso! i can't believe i'm eating bacon and rich creamy cheese before my sister's wedding. well it's only 100 calories, so you'll be ready for that dress. uh-huh... you don't love the dress? i love my sister... 40 flavors. 100 calories or less. at the standoff over prices and profits goes on between amazon and hatchette, now some big names are ringing alarms. hundreds of authors including
7:37 am
household names added their names to this letter sent to amazon board members urging them to end the dispute. meanwhile, members of the authors guild meant wp anti-trust officials at in august urging them to investigate amazon's business practices. as both sides dig in their heels, there's going questions about whether the massive control of book sales is indeed a monopoly. our panel is back. joining us from madison, wisconsin, peter and professor of law at the university law school and senior fellow of the american anti-trust institute. thank you for joining us. i want to start with you and ask you, in your opinion, is amazon actually a monopoly, and if it is, why isn't the government stepping in? >> well, i think most evidence points towards amazon being a monopoly or a mere monopoly in the book publish or book distribution area.
7:38 am
definitely a monopoly. probably on the distribution of print books, assuming the data holds up on closer examination, that would certainly make them a monopoly. under american law, possession of a monopoly is not in it of itself a violation of the sherman act. it's monopolization that is unlawful. so one needs to find the willful acquisition or retention of a monopoly position. and current thinking is that those acts of willfulness need to this be unlawful acts. whether it could be established under american anti-trust rules,
7:39 am
amazon's pricing strategy, marketing strategies constitute unlawful conduct. there's a second problem in terms of anti-trust enforcement plan. what is your remedy? what are you going to tell amazon to do that does not wind up being just a profound regulatory regime setting prices and output? so finally in terms of american anti-trust, our current enforcement programs are pretty -- >> so let me -- >> so it's hard to get them to do anything. >> let me hold you right there. it sounds like you're dubious about violating the anti-trust laws. yo u accuse amazon of violating anti-trust laws but you raise a bigger issue about amazon being a threat to democracy. what is that? >> i try to resonate with what the professor is saying about if it walks like a duck, talks like
7:40 am
a duck, it might be a duck. i think we have to take this question more seriously. book publisher ls are all about the stuff of democracy. we're the kmampon fs of free speech. it's shocking my colleagues running the really big publishing housing are not speaking out. i don't know why they're not speaking out more bluntly than they are to talk about the real issue is the control of the marketplace of ideas. >> but we were having a dfrgs during the break, both of you were arguing that amazon ichb creases access to books, and therefore in some ways it's helping democracy flourish. >> i would certainly agree with that. think about what book buying was like in a preamazon world. you couldn't get -- not only could you not get books delivered to your house easily, if you did, it took weeks.
7:41 am
you go to a big book retailers and you would not be able to find what you wanted. you would have to get it ordered. it would takes weeks to come in. that's with actually where the hatchette books are. and the other thimpk i would note is amazon has created a space for independent book sellers to do better than they have over the past four or five years. we have seen a rise in the number f independent book sellers. >> hold that thought. i know you want to jump in. thank you to peter carsonsons in madison, wisconsin. and thank you to dennis johnson. heather and peter will be back in the next hour. we have much, much, much show for you. up next, the political revolution under way in ferguson, missouri.
7:42 am
whenwork with equity experts who work with regional experts that's when expertise happens. mfs. because there is no expertise without collaboration. [ female announcer ] we love our smartphones. and now telcos using hp big data solutions are feeling the love, too. by offering things like on-the-spot data upgrades -- an idea that reduced overcharge complaints by 98%. no matter how fast your business needs to adapt, if hp big data solutions can keep wireless customers smiling, imagine what they can do for yours. make it matter.
7:43 am
once there was a girl who do even in her laundry room. with downy unstopables for long-lasting scent. and infusions for softness. she created her own mix, match, magic. downy, wash in the wow. ♪ [ female announcer ] when the pressure's on... only secret offers clinical strength invisible solid and clear gel with 100% odor protection. secret clinical strength. with 100% odor protection. i have a cold.
7:44 am
i took nyquil but i'm still stuffed up. nyquil cold and flu liquid gels don't unstuff your nose. really? alka-seltzer plus night rushes relief to eight symptoms of a full blown cold including your stuffy nose. (breath of relief) oh, what a relief it is. thanks. anytime. therlike a new meticulouslyone's engineered german sedan. finely crafted. exactingly precise. desire for such things often outpaces one's means. until now. hey matt, new jetta? yeah. introducing lots of new. the new volkswagen jetta. isn't it time for german engineering? susan nichols says her twitter account was hatched.
7:45 am
they approached her at her apartment to ask about a tweet from her account that read i know someone sitting at the grand jury of this case. there isn't enough at this point to warrant an arrest. that is of officer darren wilson and his shooting of an unarmed boy. but nichols tells the paper it wasn't her. ask if she was hacked, she said, yes, i was. she declined a comment and subsequent phone call. she also told nbc news that her account was hacked. right now we don't know where the tweet came from. we don't know if the grand jury has been compromise. we do no the investigation is ongoing. darren wel son, two b months after shooting michael brown has not been arrested. we do not know where he is at this point. though, with his absence, as many as ten criminal cases in which wilson is a witness are now in limbo.
7:46 am
and we do know this, the people of ferguson are continuing plans to protest, and in more ways than one. not just on the streets, but also in the voting booth. just look at this report. since the august 9 shooting more than 3,000 people in the missouri city of 21,000 have registered to vote. that represents an increase of 25% in two months. total voters are now 14,428 as of midday thursday and still rising, akoording to the st. louis county board of elections. in ferguson, missouri, more than 90% of the voting age population is now registered to vote. 40, $21. could something that small make an impact on something as big as your retirement? i don't think so. well if you start putting that towards your retirement every week and let it grow over time, for twenty to thirty years, that retirement challenge
7:47 am
might not seem so big after all. ♪ ring ring! progresso! you soup people have my kids loving vegetables. well vegetables... shh! taste better in our savory broth. vegetables!? no...soup! oh! soup! loaded with vegetables. packed with taste. ♪ there's confidence... then there's trusting your vehicle maintenance to ford service confidence. our expertise, technology, and high quality parts means your peace of mind. it's no wonder last year we sold over three million tires. and during the big tire event,
7:48 am
get up to $140 in mail-in rebates on four select tires. ♪
7:49 am
it may have been a while since you took history in high school. but today's debate is becoming a point. the community of jefferson county, colorado, the state's second largest school district
7:50 am
last week. high school students across the district walked out of classes to protest the proe pposal call for a committee to review materials for advance placement history. the reason for the review, to make sure it promoted citizenship and patriotism, but not civil disorder. monday two high schools had to cancel classes completely after dozens of teachers staged a sick-out in support of the students and to protest plans to tie teacher raises to student performances. thursday night the debate over the history course, which is supposed to help students prepare for college, came to a head as hundreds packed a school board meeting. the member who introduced the proposal defended her intentions, but many students were not swayed. >> the proposal was for transparency so people know what is being taught. >> thank you for your lesson in civil disobedience.
7:51 am
and what i learned from you is there is a time and place for civil disobedience. and that time is right now if you don't back down. >> the american revolution, women suffrage and civil rights movement were undertaken by people causing social disorder. the yearning to improve this country out of love and respect is patriotic. >> the school board voted 3-2 to call for more student/teacher input in the curriculum review and dropped the controversial section. but that was not enough to satisfy many angry students and teachers who hit the streets in a protest they called boots on the boulevard. and they're vowing to keep the pressure on. # # # joining me now is sarah garland. and from denver, lisa, a teacher who has participated in the protest and ashley, one of the students who spoke out at
7:52 am
thursday's school board meeting. thank you all for joining me. i want to begin with you, ashley. the school board passed a compromise that doesn't i include the the language, but i have a sense you don't think that's enough. why not? >> i don't think it's enough because if you look at the actual proposal in what was passed, they are still able to do everything the original proposal stated. they say it's a compromise, but it's not. >> so do students plan more protests next week as a result? >> we do. on october 11th we are planning a district wide protest, and we are inviting all students and parents from all over the district to join us at clement park. we are going to show we are not done and that we are still here and caring. >> this is about what bs taught in the a.p. history course. you teach english. why are you involved in this? >> well, there's multiple things going on with this board beyond
7:53 am
the curriculum review. teachers are fired up for multiple reasons. one of the the things in the origin nam document that julie williams posted is this committee formation was to report objectional materials. as a high school english teacher i can't think of a single piece of literature i teach that doesn't have something objectionable to someone in it. it seemed like a call for broad based censorship. that's what we think is coming down the pike with this. >> this isn't just an issue in colorado. in august the republican national committee passed a resolution asserting among other things that the a.p. history curriculum reflects a radically revisionist view of american history that emphasizes negative aspects of the history while omitting positive aspects. tell us more about how this is playing out in other parts of the country. >> yeah, so this has become a national controversy around this new a.p. krcurriculum. you've had conservatives around
7:54 am
the country raise alarms it's omitting certain things and emphasizing negative things. and the new curriculum is very different from the old curriculum. they're very right about that. the old curriculum, i was looking at one from 2010, it's less than 40 pages. you have a list of 28 time periods during american history and then three, four, five, in some cases sub topics. the new version is more than 140 pages. it goes into great detail, and the idea was to actually make it easier for teachers to know what was coming on the test. you didn't have kids memorizing everything that ever happened in american history. instead, you had it focused in on certain areas and certain questions and the idea was to really increase critical thinking. so what i think you see right now is a very different view of history education. on the one hand, i think what conservatives and what the rnc resolution said is parents want
7:55 am
and kids want to know the true american history. and on the flipside, what you're seeing is the a.p. course and what, you know, is preparing kids for college history where what you're doing is talking about claims in higsry and finding evidence to support arguments around history. so it's just a different view of what history should be. >> so lisa and ashley, i want you to respond to this. there's a member of the colorado board of education who essentially said we should give the u.s. credit for voluntarily ending slavery. do you agree with her read of history? and especially considering she's in a position of power over curriculum in the state? >> i do not agree with her view of history. she actually came out and said that she was not knowledgeableabknowledgeable
7:56 am
in the subject and that's why she was asking for a committee to review the curriculum, because she did not know it. i do believe she does not know american history well enough to make those statements. >> i also think, at least from my perspective, i'm almost thankful for her having said it because it highlights the importance of payi ining attent to school board elections. both at the community level and also the state level. you see people put in places over the power of educators who clearly don't have enough education on certain topics. >> thank you so lisa and ashlyn in denver, colorado. thank you to sarah here in new york. the latest on the cases of ebola in america and the outgrowing cry from africa at the top of the hour. # ... this is humira. this is humira helping to relieve my pain and protect my joints from further damage. doctors have been prescribing humira for ten years. humira works by targeting and helping to block a specific
7:57 am
source of inflammation that contributes to ra symptoms. it's proven to help relieve pain and stop further joint damage in many adults. humira can lower your ability to fight infections, including tuberculosis. serious, sometimes fatal infections and cancers, including lymphoma, have happened, as have blood, liver, and nervous system problems, serious allergic reactions, and new or worsening heart failure. before treatment, get tested for tb. tell your doctor if you've been to areas where certain fungal infections are common, and if you've had tb, hepatitis b, are prone to infections, or have flu-like symptoms or sores. don't start humira if you have an infection. talk to your doctor and visit humira.com this is humira at work
7:58 am
7:59 am
whefight back withes crelief so smooth.... ...it's fast. tums smoothies starts dissolving the instant it touches your tongue ...and neutralizes stomach acid at the source ♪ tum, tum tum tum... smoothies! only from tums. . good morning again from new york. i'm dorian moore in for melissa harris-perry. we begin with the latest on the
8:00 am
ebola crisis. friday the pentagon announced it's preparing to send 3,600 military personnel to west africa. more than 3,300 people have now died from the disease. five americans have been diagnosed with ebola. the white house is urging calm and say the u.s. is well equipped to stop the disease from spreading. a freelance photographer working for nbc news is the latest american to be diagnosed. he was working in liberia with nbc news chief medical correspondent nancy sneiderman and is expected to be flown to the united states for treatment. dr. sneiderman and the other members of her team have not shown symptoms. they are being thrown back to the u.s. to be quarantined for 21 days as a precaution. in texas, the first person diagnosed after arriving in the u.s. remains in isolation at a u.s. hospital. thomas duncan arrived from liberia on september 20th but didn't report illness until four days later. the hospital treating him
8:01 am
mistakenly sent him home when he first came to the emergency room. last night hazmat teams cleaned out the apartment and if isoffi relocated four news teams located there. mark, what is the latest you can report from the ground there. >> hi, dorian, well, efficiently the patient thomas eric duncan is listed as being in serious condition, but there's been a development involving his family. his family members are telling nbc news that they believe based on what they have heard that his condition may be detoerioratede. his nephew joseph weeks told nbc he spoke with him in the isolation unit after calling to speak to mr. duncan and was told that could not happen because mr. duncan is incubated now. he's on a ventilator and cannot speak. the family sees that has as a downward turn and is quite upset at this time. we do not have official
8:02 am
confirmation of that. that is what the family is telling us now. meantime, there are still questioning for how the hospital initially handled his arrival to the hospital a week ago yesterday, a week ago friday, where he arrived. he presented himself with some symptoms, but then he was not admitted. he was sent away with antibiotics. and first the hospital sent out a statement saying that because of a computer problem, information he had given about traveling to africa did not get from the nurse to the treating physician. now in a statement issued last night all that changed. the hospital said no, there was no computer problem. and everyone along the chain should have had that information available. so we still don't know what happened at that point. we know the original story changed in the statement that
8:03 am
was issued subsequently. >> mark potter for nbc, thank you very much. as americans process the news about an american fellow journalist contracting ebola and the realty that the disease had made it to our shores undetected, there's one question we want answered. do we have any reason to be afraid? yes, we should be afraid. but not about it coming here. we should be afraid of it staying in west africa. scientists are openly worried about the possibility it will now be an epidemic but could become endemic in the region. epidemics are what we're used to hearing about. outbreaks that disrupt societies and attract a lot of media attention for ap month or two. endemic diseases are not the topic of sensational news coverage. that's not because they are less severe. the diseases are the kind of permanent plagues that can devastate entire populations for
8:04 am
generations. endemic diseases don't get as much media attention because the death and damage they reek is so severe and sustained that they become morbidly normal. consider a disease like malaria, endemic in parts of africa. the current ebola outbreak, the worst in history, has already killed more than 3,300 people. ma l you may think the ebola situation isn't that bad yet. but the cdc warned without significant intervention, the n number of new cases could add up every daf. five people being infected every hour. right now this disease has the potential to quickly become so severe that it cannot be fully stopped. in other words, nlunless we tak serious action now, ebola may soon join the list of diseases that never go away.
8:05 am
earlier this week dr. nancy sneiderman filed this report from the region, it's a stark realization that could become the new normal. >> today we watched as a 17-year-old girl named jane was brought to redemption hospital and left in a wheelbarrow looking near death. >> this is now being used as a transition center. >> after walking through the hospital halls, we find the young girl and her mother. >> this is the young woman we brought in earlier who tried to get away. >> still on the the sidewalk being questioned and screened. the mother is now considered at risk for ebola, and she'll be evaluated, too. doctors here say thor fighting a war against a deadly and unpredictable enemy. >> joining me now is laurie garret, she received the 1996 pulitzer prize for her coverage of the ebola epidemic. details can be found in her book, betrayals of trust. and frankie, the journalist of
8:06 am
the reporting program at nyu's journalism school. i want to start with you and play a sound bite we played a t the the top of the show. it's of lisa monaco at the white house press conference yesterday. let's take a listen. >> every ebola outbreak over the past 40 years has been stopped. we know how to do this. and we will do it again. >> laurie, how much should we read into this idea that ebola may become endemic in west africa? >> i'm deeply concerned about it. i'm concerned the way the world is now responding to the west african outbreak is shifting more and more towards the let's isolate them. let's not let them come to america. not let them go to europe. ch keep them there. where the virus will keep circulating and circulating and circulating. if it becomes endemic, it's hard
8:07 am
to understand how it can do so without going to a lower. for something that killed 70% of the victims, which is an accurate number, it would be very hard to imagine. but nevertheless we are looking at a carnage that is wiping every single forecast out. four weeks ago i was on the show and we were talking about a who hideous forecast by some time in november there could be 20,000 cases. we're not at 22,000. if you adjust for the factor the cdc has identified. barring some massive escalation in the international effort, we could very well hit christmas looking at more than 400,000 cases. >> again, staggering numbers. you're a profit on this, so to speak. frankie, i want to breng you in and ask you, in what way may
8:08 am
this ebola epidemic alter the development of west africa. >> it already has. the three countries we're looking at, the health care system is shut down, except for ebola. and we talked about this a couple of weeks ago. if nothing happens, all they'll be doing is treating ebola while other people will continue to get sick. and just yesterday i think bill gates was the one who pointed out if we don't bring more legislation to the countries and build makeshift hospitals and roads to get doctors to treat ebola on its own and let the rest of the health care system come up, the rest of the countries cannot do well. i do want to point out among all of this bad news there's spots of hopes. it's not that they're not doimg everything. they took care of the ebola situation. they had a person. they took care of him. he did not dif. nigeria, on october 20th, will be completely ebola free.
8:09 am
the there are people doing stuff. in this united kingdom there was a huge conference with all of these stake holders saying what are we going to do? we can also try our best to do things money can no buy. which is to get more doctors in. >> i want to touch on the response. you mentioned the international conference in the u.k. i want to ask both of you if the u.s. had acted sooner, would we see not only this case in dallas, but to go baa to west africa, let me read you this quote from "the new york times" from a couple of days ago. two weeks after president obama announced that time was running out to fight the stem of the epidemic, the american treatment center planned here in the west africa ebola crisis are off. they remain wrapped in plastic alongside the tents, generators and medical equipment needed to set up the facility. military planners say it will be another ten days before the first 25-bed treatment center is
8:10 am
up and running. is the u.s. military capable of moving tags enough to end this crisis? >> they're capable of moving fast. the problem is, we should have been doing this in july. we can do would have, should have, could have for an hour. it's not going to get us anywhere. now we have to ask ourselves, how can we do what the world has never done before? a disaster humanitarian response on the scale of the tsunami response, but for a long term and committed disease effort. now here's the big problems i'm seeing right now. almost every ngo and responder agency i know of is searching everywhere for health care workers willing to commit to ap month or two months on the ground in these countries. i've had a heart renwrenching e-mail from one the other day saying we've thought we need
8:11 am
300. we've had seven. in the u.k. they tried desper e desperately to get volunteers to line up. they're not making it. the german military did an informal ceremony. how many would say i'm ready to go into the field? they got 2,000, which blew their minds. when they started flying supplies, not one of three german jets could make it off the continent because they're in such bad shape. and that's germany. france, they've committed $100 million and 20 french citizens. that's it. >> stay with me. we're going to come back. there's much more to talk about on here. we'll be back after the break. polident kills 99.99% of odor-causing bacteria and helps dissolve stains. for a cleaner, fresher, brighter denture everyday.
8:12 am
therlike a new meticulouslyone's engineered german sedan. finely crafted. exactingly precise. desire for such things often outpaces one's means. until now. hey matt, new jetta? yeah. introducing lots of new. the new volkswagen jetta. isn't it time for german engineering?
8:13 am
i'm they get stains like you wouldn't believe. this tide ultra stain release and zap!cap helps me get out pretty much any stain. can i help? aww. try our newest. ultra stain release helps remove 99% of everyday stains.
8:14 am
where we left off in the ebola conversation.
8:15 am
i wanted to bring back in frankie. you had a concern about the capacity to deal with capacity in west africa. i travel a lot internationally from work. if i do get sick, i can be medevacked back home. there's not enough to do this. this is a place where private industry companies can say we will fund medevac so if they do get sick that they neat to be treated. that reminds me of the issue in the u.s. and there's of hysteria on one hand and not enough worry on the other. >> i was on capitol hill yesterday. i spoke to lot of them. i was stunned by how many felt the solution was to completely cut off africa. no visas. no travel. keep them out.
8:16 am
it's the point that hysteria should not be about one person in dallas. it's facing the greatest catastrophic prices since the days of slavery. it's a whole region if the world does not insist immediately. >> keeping them out would not work. and the idea to keep out a whole group of people who are america's partners. >> and trying to do that is racist. let's be frank about it. >> exactly. it's borderline racism and fear. and what we should be saying is these are our partners. we want to help them. we want to contain the epidemic. >> we're safer if they're safer. >> in 30 seconds, what needs to be done? >> we need about 30,000 health care workers on the ground in this region. we need to make sure every neighboring nation in africa is ready. and they can all do what sin
8:17 am
agal did. find one case, isolate it and stop it. the last thing we need is the to have this spread beyond the region. >> thank you so much. up next the new subprime lending crisis. here we go all over again. [ male announcer ] take zzzquil and sleep like... the kids went to nana's house... for the whole weekend! [ snoring ] [ male announcer ] zzzquil, the non habit forming sleep aid that helps you sleep easily and wake refreshed. because sleep is a beautiful thing.
8:18 am
8:19 am
that helps you sleep easily and wake refreshed. i know... this third shift is rough... it's just a few more weeks max! what are you doing up? it's late. i just wanted to have breakast wih you. ameriprise asked people a simple question: in retirement, will you have enough money to live life on your terms? i sure hope so. with healthcare costs, who knows. umm... everyone has retirement questions. so ameriprise created the exclusive confident retirement approach. now you and your ameripise advisor.... can get the real answers you need. start building your confident retirement today.
8:20 am
unwind with tide, downy, and bounce. when you're awake and can't sleep an ounce, the sweet dreams collection is so relaxing, so you can tuck in and turn off after a day oh so taxing. tide, downy, and bounce. official products of the national sleep foundation. yesterday the bureau of labor statistics released the monthly jobs report, and the news was good better, in fact, than it's been in six years. the first time since july of 2008 that unemployment was below 6%. and it continues the trend from a high of 10% during the recession. adding to the good news, following a hiring slowdown in august, corporations made a robust comeback with 248,000 jobs added for september. president obama acknowledged that during an address at
8:21 am
northwestern university in chicago. >> we're on pace for the strongest job growth since the 1990s. over the past 55 months, our businesses has now created 10.3 million new jobs. now, that happens to be the longest uninterrupted stretch of job growth in the private sector in american history. >> but a report released on thursday for the center for american progress tempered the good news about the recovery from this dose of reality. we have not seen an increase. that's indicative of the economy. in fact, the number of people entering the labor market and being hire has declined since the recession ended. and it's as low today as the fs in the late 1970s. what's worse, that decline can't be blamed on retiring baby boomers. # we see the same trend in low labor force participation among 25 to 54-year-old americans
8:22 am
still in their prime working years. and census data released revealed the same mixed news about the recovery. a change is attributed to the number of people working full time year round. and in particular a an increase in employment for earnings of participa parents with dependent children. no change in income equality and porty rates. basically remaining at prerecession levels. now many of these financially stressed americans are finding themselves vulnerable to subprime mortgages. only as a recent "new york times" report revealed, subprime lenders are reaching to the pockets of poor americans desperately in need, not of a house, but of transportation. >>. >> the process works like this. they target the people struggling financially the most. they have the lowest credit
8:23 am
scores. and they use that as an excuse to charge them loan shark rates. >> that will cut off access to their cars at any time and in place if they are behind on payments. >> it's like they control my life. if an emergency happens, my daughter got really sick with a fever, i have no way of taking her to this the doctor. so for them to control it, and someone have control over my life, it feels just absolutely helpless. #. >> joining me now is heather mcgee, msnbc contributor. peter sutterman, rebecca valiv, is director at the center for american progress, and one of the people who put together the story on subprime auto loans, "new york times" reporter michael corkery. thank you for joining us. michael, i want to start with you because the story was so fascinating about the role of subprime loans in auto industry.
8:24 am
we know that there were settlements with a few of the big banks, citigroup, wells fargo for their role in the bad mortgages that caused the recession. >> it certainly has great echoes of the mortgage boom. it's not as big of a market. but the tactics, the interest rates, the profits that are being made on these loans to some of the most desperate people in the country who need a car to get to work, it has very, very similar to what happened in the mortgage crisis. an it's something my colleague jessica and i at "the new york times" were looking at all year. and i think regulators are starting to get worried. but they're coming late to this. this has been going on since 2009.
8:25 am
banks, private equity firms are part-time piling in as the private market for mortgages shut down. this is the new thing in town. >> i want you to tell us about the lives of people involved. how does this interrupt technology work? if someone is driving their car or they're at work or picking up their kids, how does this affect the technology itself? how does this affect the the lives of these folks you talk to? >> well, it's incredible. i mean, this is, you know, this is where sort of wall street and silicon valley meet. this is these devices are installed in as many as one in four cars with a subprime auto loan are reporting found to have these devices. they're called starter interrupt devices. so over the course of a month, you're driving in your car, it starts to beep. the first week it's a friendly beep. on the second week it gets more invasive and louder, and as you
8:26 am
get closer to your payment, there's a beeping sound that's supposed to remind you, this is the week you owe your payment. if you miss the payment, sometimes if you're a disable or three days late -- >> and it's supposed to be 30 days. >> exactly. >> in this case, it's often, one, two, three days. >> a lot of people we spoke to said these devices and the users that lend them ignore state law laws to require that you're supposed to give a person 30 days to be late before you effectively repossess their car. in many of these cases, when they're three days late, they are interrupting the starter, the ignition. when families we spoke to went to go start their car. in one case one woman who needed to take her daughter to the hospital. she went to start her car. she couldn't. her lender called and said well, i'll turn it back on. but you're going to need to pay upwards of $300 to turn it back on. the amount of control this is giving to the lender is something i don't think we, in our reporting, have ever seen in
8:27 am
sort of the subprime lending space. and again, it's what technology has allowed -- has allowed wall street to achieve. >> so i want to back up out of this compelling story that you reported on and come to you and ask you about the job numbers. so good news, right? in terms of the economy, unemployment is very low. this story is one example. it seems lower income and poor americans are left behind. tell us in terms of policy, what we're doing wrong. >> oh, boy. that's big. well, fundamentally if we just zero in on wages, the ability to meet your basic needs, the cost of housing, transportation, education, child care, food. that basket of goods is becoming more and more out of reach for working families. so we need to raise minimum wage and strengthen the ability of them to have a voice on the job.
8:28 am
we need it to make it easier to form unions. one thing so frustrating about the story you tell is on the other side, the reason why theoretically lenders should be rewarded with high interest rates, incredibly profitable loans is because they're taking on risks. but if i have basically zero risk because i can shut down the the car and immediately repossess it with a click of a button, what risk am i actually being overcompensated for? by making this loan. it's not a question of am i being compensated for my risk anymore? it's a question of i can just charge this person more because i can. because they have no other choice. and given that, that's coming to be the majority of americans in that subprime place because of the economic decisions we're making to not have working families' livelihoods and wages be a priority of our economic policy, i think we have to to ask really big questions about the system that we're setting
8:29 am
up. >> so rebecca, i want to get you in on this conversation. the center for american progress looks at not only unemployment, but the the long term unemployed. house the that complicate the narrative about our economic rebound? >> that's exactly right. so, as you noted, i mean, this is very much a good news job report. i don't want to say it's not. there's a couple things we need to keep in h mind before we get out the balloons. the official unemployment rate doesn't take into account all the people who have given up looking for work. >> that's right. >> we can't count how many people those are. it's certainly not just the baby boomers retiring accounting for a percentage of people who have dropped out of the labor force. but secondly something we can't forget about is we still have 3 million americans who are long-term unemployed. and despite this fact, and that's al level i should say that's 50% higher than the previous record before the recession. so this is really high levels of long-term unemployment.
8:30 am
but they let them expire at the the end of 2013, leaving the families high and dry. that also has an impact on job growth, right? if unemployment insurance had been extended, we would have seen 200 thoushz jobs added. it isn't just hurting individuals and families. it's hurting our economic growth. >> don't go anywhere. i'm going to get you in after the break. how many ordinary americans does it take to match the wealth of the heirs of the walmart fortune? when folks think about what they get from alaska, they think salmon and energy. but the energy bp produces up here creates something else as well: jobs all over america. engineering and innovation jobs. advanced safety systems & technology. shipping and manufacturing. across the united states,
8:31 am
bp supports more than a quarter million jobs. when we set up operation in one part of the country, people in other parts go to work. that's not a coincidence. it's one more part of our commitment to america. i take prilosec otc each morning for my frequent heartburn. because it gives me... zero heartburn! prilosec otc. the number 1 doctor-recommended frequent heartburn medicine for 9 straight years. one pill each morning. 24 hours. zero heartburn. ring ring! progresso! it's ok that your soup tastes like my homemade. it's our slow simmered vegetables and tender white meat chicken. apology accepted. i'm watching you soup people. make it progresso or make it yourself.
8:32 am
the ultimate arena for business. hour after hour of diving deep, touching base, and putting ducks in rows. the only problem with conference calls: eventually they have to end. unless you have the comcast business voiceedge mobile app. it lets you switch seamlessly from your desk phone to your mobile with no interruptions. i've never felt so alive. get the future of phone and the phones are free. comcast business. built for business.
8:33 am
comcast business. your customers, our financing. your aspirations, our analytics. your goals, our technology. introducing synchrony financial, bringing new meaning to the word partnership. banking. loyalty. analytics. synchrony financial. enagage with us. this week the economic policy institute took a look at how much richer america's richest family is than all the rest of us. just six members of the walton
8:34 am
family, the heirs to the walmart empire are collectively worth $145 billion. and it would take 1.7 million american families each olding the u.s. median wealth of $81,200 to equal the holdings of those six waltons. the gap between us and them has only grown wider over time, an indication of the the falling wealth of the median family and the steadily rising wealth at the top, including the waltons. and now the family is looking to line their pockets with more of discount shoppers' money as it makes a move to become not only their retailer, but also their bank. thp month walmart will offer low cost checking accounts to customers. targeting low-income customers who conduct their financial business outside of the traditional banking system. the fees attached to the banking products can mean it will pay off big for walmart. especially since the potential customers will be paying those
8:35 am
fees are among the 10 million americans who the fdic estimates do not use a bank. so peter, i want to come to you first. because, i tend to think of walmart's relationship between low-income and poor people in terms of thaw hay treat workers. recently they've been visible because of low-wage protests and also requiring -- it's now company policy for workers to purchase their own uniforms. on the other hand, i don't know how i feel about this. why should we encourage someone to provide banking services for low-income and poor people who actually need to put their money somewhere? >> free checking accounts, inexpensive banking accounts for people who don't have them, that's a good thing. walmart is going after a base that banks have found hard to serve. have shown # # themselves to be uninterested. it's cheap to this get a checking account now that
8:36 am
interchange fees have made the free which eking accounts common, have basically made them a thing of the past. the other thing i would say is that walmart, you can look at walmart's wealth and the riches it has created for a small number of people, its founders. you can also look at the benefits walmart has provided, especially when it comes to food prices for the poor. in 2005, they estimated walmart saved about $50 billion a year in food prices for the poor. now we spent about $73 billion a year on food stamps. so this is a food stamp sized program that is being run privately. yes, it creates huge wealth for a few people. but it's also creating huge benefits. >> but you start by saying free checking accounts. i want to fact check that for a minute. according to "the new york times" article, the new accounts from green dot will cost $8.95 a month if they have direct
8:37 am
deposit totalling less than $500. they have to put in $500 a month, or else they'll be charged $8.95. >> it's not totally free. >> it's free if you put in if $500. there's no overdraft. you're not getting hit with fees you're hit with at traditional banks. this is a much better deal. >> which then raises the question why walmart is doing this. certainly just not out of their -- but you mentioned interchange fees. they want these to become potential customers' bank accounts. to see when in the month things eb and flow. >> it's a $45 billion untapp ep market to put that in perspective. >> they're actually because of green dot are not going to -- green dot and the american express are not going to charge walmart swipe fees, which is a big cut out of retailers'
8:38 am
pockets. it's benefitting walmart in a couple of ways that have little to do with the fees to the consumer. i'm definitely one that tends to highlight how they squeeze suppliers and put local businesses that create more jobs out of business. how incredibly abusive it has been to itsz own workers. but i think given the consumer financial protection bureaus, i on banking practices, this is a wait and see. >> something maybe worth pointing out that further connects the dots so to speak, since we're talking ability green dot, right, is other factors that might be influencing walmart's decision, which shouldn't be that surprising. i think ned resicoff had a really smart article taking a look at walmart's decision. he identifies a number of factors, which is market saturation. they are trying to figure out how to come into the 21st century. is it going to urban areas? it making them smaller?
8:39 am
but it also connects to the previous segment. if we have stagnant and declining wages, then walmart's very customer based, which is low-income families, has less mund to spend. >> education specially when food stamps are cut, which walmart pays close attention to. >> their bottom line was hit by the two rounds of snap cuts in 2013 and 2014. they're trying to figure out where to make up the losses. when there's 41 million u.s. adults in underbanked households. they've seized on a strategy to not only bring more customers to the stores, but to offer them a product their competitors can't offer. >> i have another way that walmart could do something different. and actually help the economy overall. we have to recognize we're not just picking on them because we like to. they are the number one private employer. and they set the trend. so we have done research to show
8:40 am
with just the money that walmart spends buying back its own shares in the market, a completely unproductive thing, that's really about inflating the share price, they could actually iz the wages of lower paid workers by $5 an hour. we need to see low-wage workers at walmart as the job creators who need more money to stimulate their local economies. >> senator warren has a very interesting proposal she's talked about. she argues maybe the post office should be offering banking services, which they used to do until 1946. there's 31,000 poers offices around the country. 4,000 walmart stores. the question to you, because you have covered this. does this raise red flags in terms of the financial services industry? i think what's happened after the financial crisis is the mainstream banks t the ones that we, you know, the government has
8:41 am
the most regulation since the citigroups, the jp morgans. the profits they can earn from banking low income people don't compute. they're pulling out for the most part. now what that is doing is forcing people to the margin ls. walmart is trying to meet them in the middle. they're not a bank full service. but they're not a payday lender. i think it's too bad on these banks that bailed out, they are basically abandoning low income people entirely. >> so much more to talk about. we'll have you back. t thank you for being here this morning. up next, how this week millions of texas women were put at risk. [ male announcer ] tomcat bait kills up to 12 mice, faster than d-con. what will we do with all of these dead mice? tomcat presents dead mouse theatre. hey, ulfrik!
8:42 am
hey, agnar! what's up with you? funny you ask. i'm actually here to pillage your town. [ villagers screaming ] but we went to summer camp together. summer camp is over. ♪ [ male announcer ] tomcat. [ cat meows ] [ male announcer ] engineered to kill.
8:43 am
8:44 am
therlike a new meticulouslyone's engineered german sedan. [ male announcer ] tomcat. [ cat meows ] finely crafted. exactingly precise. desire for such things often outpaces one's means. until now. hey matt, new jetta? yeah. introducing lots of new. the new volkswagen jetta. isn't it time for german engineering?
8:45 am
just one month ago we told you about a victory for reproduction rights in texas when an austin judge issued a closure of most abortion providers in the state, and allowing one to reopen its doors. >> this team has gone through a lot of difficult times, a lot of negativity, a lot of saying no to the people that we love. we love this community. we are from the valley. we love doing what we do and offering services and for many months we've had to say no. and so now we get to say yes. >> that was put in jeopardy wen shortly after the state of the texas asked them to reverse the finding. and this week the fifth circuit responded. they give them the go ahead take the sweeping abortion law signed by governor perry, which will in effect close half of the facilities, including whole
8:46 am
women's health. that will leave eight clinics to serve the the second most populous state in the country. in a report for msnbc.com, a reporter writes the law is posed to have the most devastating impact on adorgs aspects on any intersection across the country. nbc reporter has been covering the story in detail and at great length. and erin is joining us now. how does this affect women and in particular poor women in texas? >> for anybody who cares about reproductive justice, anybody who cares about human rights, public health, the rights of women, this should be a deeply disturbing turn of events. basically what has happened is the fifth circuit court of appeals has said you can create impossible burdens on people who need abortions. there is no law so far that they have said that texas can put a burden on women for, even if that law has no basis in medical evidence.
8:47 am
but all aborings have to take place in golden castles. and claim that's better for women's rights. in reality, the women the most vulnerable, particularly low-income women, women of color, predominantly latino women being affected by this, particularly on the board area areas, as of this decision, there's no abortion clinic for 300-round trip. >> that's be clear about that. >> for 900,000 women in texas of reproductive age, nothing south of san antonio or west of it. at this point the fifth circuit court of appeals hatds said texas can put these birthdays on women and that's fine. it makes a mockery of women's institutional rights. >> how does this reverberate beyond texas? >> well, essentially since 1992 where planned parenthood was decided by the supreme court, it
8:48 am
opened the door to say you can't ban abortion, but you can put regulations on it. and states have been trying to test the boundaries of that ever since. so other states have basically followed in the path of what texas has done. wisconsin, alabama, mississippi, which has tried to shut down the last clinic in that state. they already have many of the similar medically unnecessary restrictions that texas passed in place, but they've been blocked by other courts. if if the supreme court says the way the fifth sir rut ruled in the case is okay. your can seeshlly wipe out abortion clinics and make only a right on paper, then that opens the door to clinics being shut across the country. >> so much more to talk about. please follow irin carmon twitter. you can see much more of her reporting online right now at msnbc.com. up next, our foot soldier of the week has news to share on the the unaccompanied children risking life and limb to enter the united states. trying to kee!
8:49 am
i told my producer karen that i take metamucil because it helps me feel fuller between meals. it's just one small change that can help lead to good things. now she's breaking up with the vending machine. nope. i call that the meta effect. [ female announcer ] 4-in-1 multi-health metamucil now clinically proven to help you feel less hungry between meals. and promotes heart health. experience the meta effect with our new multi-health wellness line and see how one small change can lead to good things. what's in a can of del monte green beans? ( ♪ ) grown in america. picked and packed at the peak of ripeness. with no artificial ingredients. del monte. bursting with life.
8:50 am
with no artificial ingredients. whefight back withes crelief so smooth.... ...it's fast. tums smoothies starts dissolving the instant it touches your tongue ...and neutralizes stomach acid at the source ♪ tum, tum tum tum... smoothies! only from tums.
8:51 am
8:52 am
news can be a fickle business. what's a front-page headline one day doesn't even make it the next. so it is with the border crisis and the unaccompanied minors who are still crossing over the united states' southern border with mexico. only now, there are fewer. in august, more than 3,000 unaccompanied minors were detained, the lowest numbers since february 2013. with the white house announcing on september 6th that executive action on immigration reform is off the table until after the election, suddenly it seems that images like these are gone from our collective radar. this is the image from brownsville, texas, that back in june captured the nation's attention and propelled the story into news program leads and onto newspaper front pages. the pictures show a refugee center with children, children traveling alone without resources, without anywhere to go, laying on makeshift cots under foil blankets. at a peak back in june, more
8:53 am
than 10,000 unaccompanied minors were streaming across the border on a monthly basis coming mainly from honduras, guatemala and el salvad salvador. and then it seemed suddenly their stories were gone. we saw new headlines like, number of unaccompanied children crossing texas border dropped sharply in july. and the child migrant crisis seems to be over. gone were the front-page stories and the news page leads. not gone by any stretch, of course, the children. that's where our foot soldier of the week comes in. he is risking his very life to keep us aware that the story of unaccompanied child migrants is still very much with us and he has the images to prove it. tomas has been reporting for months, documenting the stories of these children every step of the way. he's shown us the slums of
8:54 am
tegucigalpa, honduras, where young men are given the choice of joining a gang or luosing their lives, like donnie. donnie was stopped by gang members in his community and asked to join. when he refused, he was told to live the country or they would kill him and his entire family. donnie wants to come to the u.s. so he can become a doctor and what he calls a good man. tomas has shown us the shelters in mexico where psychiatric professionals volunteer their time to offer counseling for the wounds that one feels but cannot see. he also has shown us the wounds we can see, like walter from el salvador who says gang members came into his house in the middle of the night, shot him 16 times in front of his wife and baby. walter left his home country as soon as he was able to walk again. tomas has shown us how the migrants travel by jumping on top of a train they call the beast where travelers frequently lose limbs when trying to board.
8:55 am
he's shown us the faces of the young people who are pursuing a safe and free life. for those who suffer the elements, tomas has shown us what they face. in addition to mexican and american authorities, they face a heavily armed militia on the american side of the border. and he has shown us those who have made it like saul, who nearly died under the hot texan sun with swollen tonsils that made drinking water impossible. after spending time in and out of detention centers, saul was one of the lucky ones who became a u.s. citizen. even though the news cycle has moved on for now, the story has not. today thousands continue to suffer through this journey and it's a story we can't afford to lose sight of. tomas certainly hasn't. his work continues to this day. so for his dedication to journalism, to the plight of
8:56 am
those left with no good options and for staying focused while so many others have turned away, tomas is our foot soldier of the week. you can see much more of tomas' reporting on noria-research.com. that's our show for today. see you tomorrow morning at 10:00 a.m. eastern. now it's time for a preview with "weekends with alex witt." >> we are waiting right now for a news conference to begin at any minute with the centers for disease control and prevention on the ebola case in texas. we'll bring that to you. plus, the new questions about how the dallas hospital handled that case. also, yes means yes on college campuses, the new law in california that re-examines what consent really means. i'll talk with a student to see if she thinks it will prevent sexual assaults. and what the olive garden can tell us about the middle class. [♪]
8:57 am
great rates and safety working in harmony. open an optimizer +plus account from synchrony bank. visit myoptimizerplus.com to open an account. service. security. savings. synchrony bank engage with us. unwind with tide, downy, and bounce. when you're awake and can't sleep an ounce, the sweet dreams collection is so relaxing,
8:58 am
so you can tuck in and turn off after a day oh so taxing. tide, downy, and bounce. official products of the national sleep foundation. ring ring! progresso! it's ok that your soup tastes like my homemade. it's our slow simmered vegetables and tender white meat chicken. apology accepted. i'm watching you soup people. make it progresso or make it yourself. if you were a denture? take this simple test. press your tongue against it.
8:59 am
like this. ahh! it moves, unlike natural teeth. did you feel it? it can happen with every denture. introducing new fixodent plus truefeel. it helps keep denture firmly in place, with its smooth formula free of flavors and colorants. so you get a closer feeling to natural teeth. new fixodent plus truefeel. fixodent. and forget it. how much money do you think you'll need when you retire? then we gave each person a ribbon to show how many years that amount might last. i was trying to, like, pull it a little further. [ woman ] got me to 70 years old. i'm going to have to rethink this thing. it's hard to imagine how much we'll need for a retirement that could last 30 years or more. so maybe we need to approach things differently, if we want to be ready for a longer retirement. ♪
9:00 am
good afternoon, everyone. good morning to those of you in the morning time zones and welcome to "weekends with alex witt." we begin this hour with breaking news. at any moment, the center for disease control will hold a news conference with the very latest on the case of ebola here in the united states. 42-year-old eric duncan is in a dallas area hospital after being treated and testing positive for the virus a bit earlier this week. as we await that news conference, here are the latest ebola headlines for you. officials at a nebraska hospital are working through the weekend to accept a new ebola patient. that is where nbc cameraman ashoka mukpo will be treated once he returns from liberia. new questions after hospital officials in texas admit nurses and doctors knew about mr. duncan's travel history when he first went to the emergency room. they initially said a computer glitch prevented doctors from seeing his travel history.

186 Views

info Stream Only

Uploaded by TV Archive on