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to develop and test a vaccine to treat ebola. >> a united airlines flight from brussels has been stopped on the ground. this is because one of the passengers began vomiting while in flight. cd it's a boeing 777 aircraft. air travel has come under scrutiny after learning the first diagnosed case from eof ebola traveled through liberia coming to dallas. >> we recognize the concern that a signal case of ebola creates on our shores. we have the public health providers in place to contain the spread of this disease. >> that's too late for the first person diagnosed with ebola in the united states as he fights

for his life. dozens of others are being tested for that. a district attorney is considering filing charges against him. all right, our first line of defense is the airports and airlines. the friday, we have heard that the relatives of the infected u.s. patient were moved out of the apartment in dallas. that home was disinfected but so many questions remain about delays and missed opportunities in that case. i want to bring in mark potter, who is in dallas. obviously responding to this, what is the latest there in dallas in terms of what's happening? >> we're still waiting on a condition report today on the ebola victim here robert eric duncan. he is in serious concern. we are hoping for an update today. we have heard from the family

though that there may have been a change. his nephew in north carolina said that he learned from a supervisor here at the hospital that duncan is now on a ventilator. that concerns the family because the family claims they've been able to talk to him on tuesday, wednesday, thursday as late as friday morning in isolation. because he is on that ventilator, they cannot speak to him. we have called the hospital asking for any guidance on this but we have not gotten a response except to be told we will hear more later. the director of the cdc said some patients who were transported in the same ambulance that duncan was transported in on sunday patients that were transported after duncan was brought to this hospital on sunday are now being monitored by health officials because those officials cannot say with certainty whether they

were exposed to contaminants that may have been left behind by duncan in that ambulance. that's just one more wrinkle in this first ebola case in the united states. a case that's raised a lot of questions about how it was handled in the beginning. officials insist the u.s. health care system is able to stop an ebola outbreak in the united states, but there have been a lot of questions raised. >> as we look at this and you're describing here how the hospital officials are changing their narrative, shall we say, we also have what's happening in terms of the cleanup, have they finished scouring and cleaning that apartment? >> no. there's more to do. they finished what they call phase one yesterday and sealed up the apartment. they basically took out the major items that he might have contaminated. three mattresses towels sheets things like that.

they were put into sealed containers. they're here at the hospital locked up in a truck until they can get the necessary permits to destroy those items. they are expected early in the week. that phase has ended. they have to clean that apartment thoroughly. in the meantime it's locked up. >> mark finally, something that we understand fairly well here. the photographer that was working with nbc news, what's the latest into what we know is happening with him as well as dr. nancy snyderman. >> i can't tell you about that. we're concentrated here in dallas. we are very concerned about dr. nancy and the photographer. i know that he's going to omaha to be treated and that they are standing by for that to happen. a colleague is on the way there to cover that thoroughly. we'll certainly do so. i'm not going to pretend to the

know the specifics of that. i can tell you anything you want to know about dallas. >> mark potter, thank you so much. the white house at the moment trying to ease the concerns of the u.s. public over ebola. in a press briefing yesterday afternoon several agencies responded. they also faced some pretty tough questions from the press corps. >> the united states is prepared to deal with this crisis both at home and in the region. every ebola outbreak over the past 40 years has been stopped. we know how to do this and we will do it again. >> so help me understand the stuff that you've talked about in terms of preparedness in this country, the conversations with hospitals, the coordination with local authorities, seems very

concerning to the public and seeing the whole thing broke down. at every step of the way there were breakdowns. >> good day to you. some tough questions at the briefing. is there a disconnect some might be asking between what white house officials are saying and what we're seeing on the ground in dallas? >> reporter: there certainly was initially, richard. there was a delay in terms of the hospital reaching out to the people he may or may not have come into contact with so there wasn't coordinated response initially. in the wake of that they have sent the cdc to coordinate with officials in dallas to make sure state, local, and federal officials are all in close communications. on top of that they are ramping

up their efforts to make sure that hospitals all across the country understand the cdc guidelines. a person is held and monitored. that you don't just release them. they are also increasing their education campaign throughout the country stressing that is difficult to get ebola. there are ways you can protect yourself and make sure it doesn't happen. one more really key point. they are urging calm making the case that the infrastructure here in the united states is capable of dealing these isolated incidents of ebola, but they don't expect a lot of cases. there might be one or two or a few more cases, but they do not anticipate that we're going to see those high levels you're seeing in west africa. the key is treating it at the

source. that's why you see u.s. officials going over there to help. >> reporter: we just got an e-mail from a spokesperson for the hospital here where mr. duncan is being treated. it's a six word message. it's short but powerful. mr. duncan is in critical condition. mr. duncan is in critical condition. he was previously listed in serious concern. this dove tails with the concerns from the family that his condition was getting worse. the report just a moment ago that we gave you about him being on a ventilator now. so that's a development suggesting you know a downward turn from where he was, at least. critical condition. mr. duncan is in critical condition. >> mark potter, thank you so

much. part of that as we talk about mr. duncan coming from liberia, the question was asked -- it was discussed yesterday the idea of a travel van. it's a question that has been asked since these cases coming out. the white house saying no to that. >> that's right. they say a travel van could impede efforts to try to treat and deal with the crisis that's happening right now in west africa. they say that's really the key to capping this problem. essentially you have the united states sending 3600 u.s. forces to the region to help with the response there. any travel ban would limit the capacity of u.s. officials to deal with what's actually happening on the ground. there are pretty strict screening measures in place right now so the people coming from highly infected areas in west africa are having their temperatures taken at the airport, they're having to fill out questionnaires.

they have stopped dozens of people from coming over who have questionable symptoms. they believe they have confidence in those screening measures. the calls for some type of travel ban are getting louder. i anticipate we'll hear more debate about that in the coming days and weeks. she's going to talk about now more troops from the united states being sent to west africa for that. we'll talk to you later about that. >> sounds good. >> let's bring in an assistant professor from the nyu school of medicine. let's talk about the delays that have been described here that were coming out of dallas. before they said the process was not followed basically a mistake. now they're saying there is no mistake. what's your thought about this? does it make you worried about what other hospitals are doing across the country and in dallas? >> i do have some concerns.

for the hospital workers, they see a lot of people with these symptoms. we have enterovirus going around and flu season starting up. i don't think people need to panic. the risk of it is extremely low. the other issue is just in terms of this case he denied having any contact with someone with ebola. we have to think about the screening measures that we have in place. are they really effective? why would someone want to admit they had come into contact with someone with ebola? >> if we dig deeper into that what would have happened if he said yes in that country and how that works of checks and balances that exist not only in the united states? >> exactly. if he admitted it, maybe he wouldn't have come here.

but he would have been left in west africa where he was likely to die. second the larger question, if we have a travel ban or we do things like that we're leaving people there to die. they would die without the supplies and food they need to battle the virus. >> they understand how to stop ebola. we look at some of the numbers. more than 3,000 people have died because of the virus so far. there are over 7,000 cases of ebola, mostly in west africa. if the medical community knows how to stop ebola, why have we not seen it stopped earlier? >> the way you stop them your body actually fights them and you recover. we give people supportive treatments. ebola causes your liver to fail and your kidneys to fail. we actually just manage those symptoms the way you might for a common cold. you try to get through the

symptoms and then you recover. in the hospital we can manage it that's true but that doesn't mean we necessarily have a cure for it or a way to stop someone from actually getting sicker during the process. >> what are some of the things that you have heard and that you tell people tell patients don't panic, this is what you need to remember about ebola? >> i tell people the likelihood is so low. you're only at risk if you come into contact with someone with ebola. and it is not regular contact. it's bodily fluid. if there's actual contact with blood, urine, feces, vomit, and it gets into your system then you're more at risk. just because you're exposed to something, doesn't mean you'll actually get it. you can get a needle stick with an

hiv and not get it. we have to think, first of all, it's not airborne. you can't catch it the way you would catch a cold. just because you're exposed doesn't mean you'll automatically develop the virus and disease. >> does this also include sexual activity? >> yes, it does. >> is that where the most amount of data exists the cdc? >> most is from africa itself. you have to look at what do they mean by contained. in the past these were in rural areas. they would either die or survive. for the most part it was a different set of circumstances where they were contained. here it is spreading through populated areas in west africa. plus you don't have the community support. their skeptical of the health care workers for a variety of reasons. that's allowing it to spread a little faster.

>> thank you so much. what an airport screening system might be how it would work and how it would not? just ahead, a fourth western has been beheaded by isis and a threat to kill another american. plus is a dallas hospital at fault for not diagnosing the country's first ebola patient sooner? i'm going to talk to the man who created the protocol that hospitals are supposed to follow. ns. but, this tide ultra stain release has a crazy amount of cleaning power and a pre-treat zap! cap that helps me get out pretty much any stain. can i help? aww. just kidding. she got me. now try tide ultra stain release the newest tide liquid detergent that helps remove 99% of everyday stains.

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what happened that alan henning is abhorrent. anyone can now see how truly repulsive this organization is and barbaric it is as an organization. >> david cameron angry as the battle against the militant

group against isis taking another tragic turn today. >> we are not showing any of that video here. the group also threatened to kill american and former soldier peter kasich. this as u.s. central command confirming new military action against isis today. war planes from the u.s., jordan and arab emirates striking iraq. you know the parents of peter kasich they issued a video statement based on the news i was just describing. let's show that. >> we implore those who are holding you to show mercy and use their power to let you go. >> all right, so they want him to be released no doubt. what do we know about him? >> well we know that he was a

former army soldier. enlisted in 2004, served actually in iraq and ultimately released from the military before he started an organization where he was trying to take relief supplies into syria. i had the chance to meet peter on the last time he was going into syria. i had lunch with him. he was driven by a lot of passion. a person who knew the risks of what he was getting into. we spent the afternoon talking to him about what he was doing, but he was very much motivated by his commitment of what he was trying to do which was help the syrian people. it is a disturbing situation that we are seeing being carried out by isis. the family is trying to make an appeal on an emotional or a religious basis, but this is an organization that is not answering any of those previous appeals by family members. >> how are those appeals viewed by isis? >> we're not sure all the

members of isis or perhaps the important leaders, are seeing these messages. i don't think that they are considering them, to be honest with you. in the past all the previous family appeals did not deter isis from beheading these men, sadly to say. i think this is an organization that is perhaps more pragmatic than necessarily idealistic. and in this situation, they released the 49 turkish hostages. not sure how that happened. >> as you were describing your discussions with kasich, sounds like he's a remarkable individual but he seems very driven and very resilient as he goes through what must be a very difficult time. >> yeah i think in a situation like this you really have no idea what is in somebody's mind in a situation.

what he's being forced to do or forced to say, and i think that's what makes it extremely hard for the family. i'm not sure there have been communications between him and the family and his kidnappers but i do know he, in the few minutes we spent together and the friends he knew he had an impact on all of us. >> you have reported on these executions. what do you think -- they're intended to show strength, at least it looks like that, but is it a symptom of something else? perhaps they are feeling a little bit on their heels. >> they've been doing this systematically for weeks. they are trying to send a message that they have not been deterred. i do also think there's an element that they're trying to bait the united states. there is a component of this which is some isis fighters and

extreme groups would love to see american boots on the ground in iraq. there's a component of that to try to bait america if they're going to send in troops but i think they're trying to send a message that they have not been hampered by these air strikes that are taking place. >> the u.s. central command, their damage assessments showing somewhat limited effectiveness so far. today isis capturing a town that is close to a military base there in iraq, that's important to iraqi forces. from what you know are the air strikes working? >> i don't think the air strikes are going to work by themselves. they may have slowed down an advance. they may have definitely killed eded fighters destroyed equipment. they're talking about taking out an armored vehicle, pickup trucks.

it's hard to imagine that a group like isis is going to be easily deterred by taking out armored vehicles or equipment. this was a group that was relying on small to medium weaponry. they live on fear. they live on that capability more so than their technical capability. i'm not sure the air strikes are going to wipe out isis or destroy them completely. they're going to have the ability to regroup because they are such a fluid group. >> we'll talk to you next hour. there are developments coming out of the pakistan taliban. he'll talk about all that. thank you so much. some breaking news out of newark airport. a united airlines flight from brussels stopped on the ground by health officials. all passengers are being told to

stay on the airplane while they assist with someone who is vomiting on the flight. this is united flight 998 from brussels to newark. it has 225 on board. no indication at this point that this involves ebola. air travel has come under scrutiny after the first case of ebola diagnosed in the united states and his air travel. we'll continue to update that for you right here on msnbc.

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we see that might compromise that investigation? >> i think this is much ado about nothing. there is not evidence. it doesn't say that the person told them there is not evidence. the grand jury is still looking at the evidence and needs another month to do so. >> why so long? is this uncommon? >> it is a bit uncommon, but at the same time i think it's all about due diligence. he's trying to give it to a little microcosm of the american public to make the decision. >> a lot of questions have come about the city prosecutor. >> it's not his job to advocate for michael brown. it is his job as a prosecutor to represent the people of the state of missouri. and i think it's actually wise

strategically to hand this to a grand jury. does he have the power? yes. this is a prosecutor whose own father was a police officer who was killed in the line of duty. if he can hand it to people on a grand jury who are a cross section of the people and let them decide if there is enough probable cause it takes the heat off of him and it makes it a case for the people. >> some of the charges that are being given to those asking for specific documents, they're saying that in ferguson they're charging nearly ten times the cost of some of their own employees' salaries before they agree to turn over files for public record. this is for those asking for information. this might effect civil rights groups and journalists. is this uncommon? >> the protests are going to happen no matter what you're going to have people

saying it's taking too long or it's a real waste of taxpayer money. >> county officials are asking for a lot of money to get these documents. >> and i think they should because you have to do all this due diligence to make sure you're beyond scrutiny. was the investigation done properly? if you give too many documents, you're going to be accused of leaking. if you don't give enough out, then you're going to be accused of hiding something. they really want to cross their ts dot their is. >> this is what the cliche is. a competent prosecutor could convince a grand jury to indict a sandwich. do they have that much influence? >> it is the prosecutor's ball

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condition. and air travel on ebola, something millions of fliers can relate to every day. there are upwards of 30,000 flights with 2 million passengers every day in the u.s. duncan on three connecting flights. united airlines saying it is reaching out to hundreds of passengers who were flying with him during that trip and the transportation department coming under pressure to overhaul its guidelines for dealing with potentially sick passengers. patrick, i want to start with this first. what you're seeing happening there in newark, even though there is no indication that the boeing 777 with 250 passengers on board, from what you have seen so far, does this make sense the way they're dealing with potential patients of ebola? >> the only way to really try

and handle ebola is exactly what you're seeing going back and talking to people who may have been in contact with someone who had the illness. brussels is one of the points that thomas duncan traveled through when coming to the united states. the only real method we have at this point for understanding from the perspective of transportation nationally what's happening is exactly this. kind of overreacting taking a look at very unlikely potential cases of outbreak and responding, because the other options don't really exist. ebola is not a disease is that lends itself to easy detection at a place like an airport and that is because it can stay in your body for like three weeks, 21 days before you begin to present symptoms or a flu. >> patrick, as you know, you remember back during the concern

of sars. you saw those infrared detecters around the world. you would walk through various locations. you would see the halo or lack of a heat halo around you. that was one way they were identifying individuals that they would take to the next step. because fever is one of the indicators here, why not put that in? >> it's going to have the same level of effectiveness that we think it did in 2009 with sars, which was not as effective as we wanted it to be. duncan had this before getting on a plane and had it for days before he started showing up with a fever, so a lot of people are going to pass through these thermal detection systems. south africa has moved these screenings that detect elevated temperature, they're moving them into airports. all throughout africa they're trying this as well.

possibly airports in asia. you talk to folks at the cdc and johns hopkins, they'll say this is primarily cosmetic. >> very few of us have been in one of these quarantine centers. there are 19 quarantine stations in airports throughout the 50 states. what are they like? how do they operate? >> in the united states, it is better than what you're going to experience if you go to africa. if you are in lieberia and you have elevated temperature, they're going to take a blood sample from you. the united states, these quarantine centers aren't going to have a ton of people in them. that's going to be a little more comfortable for the people that

are there. at this point, here's the thing, you can't take people -- part of the reason they're going to be empty. you can't take people out of line in an american airport and subject them to a blood test that could take as little as two hours, but in all likelihood much longer than that without really disrupting travel. 30,000 flights. >> we have to go but tell me about one piece of technology since this is your space, that would be key in fighting ebola? >> we need a point of care diagnostics to detect the genomic signature of ebola. >> does those exist? >> they do not exist. they would have to be cheap. we want to move these out all

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hong kong's leaders saying today order must be restored to this city. c.y. leung called on people in hong kong to get back to their regular routines. police and demonstrators scuffling today. tens of thousands remain on city streets protesting. protesters say china has re renigged on its agreements to hold elections. >> monday morning c.y. leung has said protesters needs to leave

the streets. >> is it going to happen this time? >> we have heard threats about like this before. beijing could go off the rails and force the hong kong government to use force against the protesters. >> a local politician there saying and accusing the youths of the local mafia to begin the idea the anti-protesters. >> yes. what we saw in two locations on friday, same tactics. clearly this was coordinated. it was organized. it was planned. undoubtedly, it was done by beijing and it utterly failed. in mong kok, the crowd was under 100 before the triadds came in. after words it was 1,000.

>> who is going to stand by hong kong? >> the united states is going to give some rhetorical support. not enough. britain won't do nearly enough. they have a stake in this. i think the students and others in hong kong don't need anybody's help. they just need us not to be on beijing's side. >> old versus young overall, what's the general population of hong kong? are they all supporting these protesters and is it as aligned on age? >> 4/5 of the people are supporting the protesters. >> who is the 1/5? >> it is going to be mainlanders who have come in. also there are unionists that support beijing. and of course, they are communist in hong kong. >> regionally there is concern

economically and militarily they're watching hong kong and china. they're saying this is another reason why we need to militarize. the united states says, oh no. that's not what we want. >> that's going to happen. hong kong was never the prize. it was always the bait for taiwan. taiwan was supposed to be incorporated into the people's republic. it's not going to work now >> is this the point where we'll see them start to militarize in a more earnest way, shall we say? >> they've been doing it already. this is another factor that will add to the sentiment of militarization. >> thank you so much for your time today. the doctor that helped design the cdc protocol to diagnose ebola, his view on whether we are prepared to stop on outbreak right here.

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current ebola outbreak in the united states exposed gaps in the u.s. health care system. the dallas hospital initially followed cdc procedures, but information on duncan's procedure was not fully communicated throughout the care team. he was sent home possibly exposing the public before being admitted and testing positive. doctor thank you for being with us. is this problem in dallas a problem with dallas or a problem in the protocols? you helped write these. >> i don't think any other hospitals would have done any better. my last book was about the idea we need to use the checklists and that it saves lives. and now the hospitals today are waking up to the fact they have to download the checklist, their teams have to learn to use them and then we have to communicate. >> talk about those checklists.

what would you pull from them for everyday viewers today? what would be the top two criteria in those protocols that show hospitals are doing a better job at this and not such a good job at this? >> in other words, the most basic is that anybody coming in with a fever, everybody coming in with a fever, you ask them their travel history and if they've been to west africa. this man admitted he had been there and put the information in the chart. at that point, you have to communicate verbally with the team and confirm. it is called closed loop communication. you have to confirm that someone else has received the information and seen it. we see over and over again. in our system we have 2 million

people who pick up infections infections per year in hospitals. another thing they recognize and that's on the checklist is once you have somebody you need to put them in isolation. simple isolation. it's simply you need a closed room, close the door. it's not because this is going to get out. it's because you want to keep people from walking in inadvertently and touching the fluids of a patient. >> they're saying at this moment they did not make a mistake. what grade do you give them so far? >> i think they made a mistake. since the patient has arrived, the isolation and every step from there has been meticulous. they're following the checklists. my concern is all the other hospitals and doctors clinics. they all have to download the checklists and learn to use them. >> your new book talks about the

dying age. >> we have two basic failures in our health care system. one is our basic public health measures and it is exposed here. the other basic failure is our inability to care for people properly who are facing end of life or frailty? >> thank you for your time on a saturday. >> all right. thank you. we're following breaking news. this hour the patient is now in critical condition. just learning that within the last hour. we'll have a live update back from the break. stay right there. i sure hope so. with healthcare costs, who knows. umm... everyone has retirement questions. so ameriprise created the exclusive confident retirement approach. now you and your ameripise advisor.... can get the real answers you need. start building your confident retirement today.

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how truly repulsive it is and barbaric it is as an organization. >> angry words from the british prime minister after isis beheaded a second british hostage and the fourth westerner. who is winning isis or the u.s. led coalition? >> the man who shot and killed jordan davis was convicted after a second trial. some call it vigilanteism. thomas duncan the first patient to be diagnosed in the u.s. with ebola remains in a dallas hospital in critical condition. right now, there are new numbers from the cdc.

officials saying nine people are definite contacts of the 42-year-old patient. he came into contact after he was contagious. that includes duncan family members as well as health workers. as of now, none of those patients being monitored are showing signs of the disease. >> we are confident that none of those with definite contact had any symptoms related to ebola. none of them had fever. we'll be watching that very closely particularly for those nine individuals in the coming day. >> on friday duncan's relatives were moved out of their apartment in dallas. mark, we were just talking with you about 45 minutes ago. the develop that mr. duncan now in critical condition, what more do you know?

>> that occurred an hour ago. when we made the announcement on the air, a downturn from listed as serious yesterday to now critical, according to the hospital officials. that comes on the same day that duncan's relatives are also very concerned saying that they have learned he is now on a ventilator. the family in north carolina says they were able to talk to him on tuesday, wednesday, thursday, and friday morning. he was able to talk to him. as they tried to do that today, they were told it is impossible because he is intubated. his sister in north carolina also told nbc news that doctors say he is also on dialysis and that the family is being requested to permit the use of an experimental antibiotic. the hospital here is not confirming to us any of the reports told to us by the

family. but just that term from serious to critical along with if it is true what the family is saying, that suggests that mr. duncan is in very tough shape. >> this experimental antibiotic may have been used before. the sister asking for that right now. do we know anymore about this specific antibiotic? >> no we don't. and it wasn't her asking for it. it was the doctors asking the family for permission to use it just to be clear. >> got it. >> the family is very concerned, is thinking about coming down here to be closer to him, so this sounds like a touch and go situation with the family monitoring closely and obviously doctors scrambling to treat a man who's very very sick. >> thank you so much.

mark potter the latest out of dallas there where we are watching, as of this hour the patient there in the hospital thomas duncan and his condition now critical. thank you so much. to the white house. officials there are trying to push back those concerns. more troops are headed to west africa. the pentagon prepared to send up to 3600 troops to west africa. the rear admiral said that number could go even higher. what more do we know about these troops? >> we know the troops are going to be involved in setting up a 25-bed hospital in liberia. three different medical labs and 17 treatment facilities throughout west africa. the administration saying that the key to dealing with this crisis is to stomping out the disease at its source in west

africa. that's why you are seeing a robust response on the part of the administration. we're also told at this point in time no plans for those 3600 u.s. military forces to administer direct aid to people who are suffering from ebola in west africa. however, they could help to train some of the medical officials there on the ground. 3600 u.s. military personnel heading to the region. that is an increase from the 3,000 that were initially expected to go and ultimately that number could go as high as 4,000. possibly higher if the administration thinks it is necessary. >> for more on what you need to know let's bring in a doctor. thanks for being with us. dr. mcdavid we've been talking a lot about direct contact. tell us a little bit about how long the virus can survive on a dry surface if an infected

person sneezes or coughs here? >> it's saliva it's bodily fluids, it's blood. it's feces. it is not just a respiratory virus. how long it can lost on a surface? who knows? we know strep can exist for 24 hours. what we're concerned about in this virus is the vector. the ground meat. therouxy are they're rodents and wild animals that have the virus and people eat it. they don't know that's how they're getting it. people get sick. you are contagious after you start having the symptoms. if you are exposed to somebody with ebola and they're not

having the symptoms we don't believe they're contagious at that point. >> we were talking about bird flu in recent years and how it might mu tate over time. should we be concerned about ebola mutating? >> that's why you get a flu shot every year. with the vaccine, we're trying to stay ahead of what we think the virus is going to look like this year. it may have some of the same opponent components, but it is going to be different. this virus has been known -- in africa, the problem is the people that are being impacted there have very poor immune systems. they don't have great nutrition. they don't have great hygiene. the kinds of things we think of

here, they don't exist there. >> will this mutate faster than the other viruses we're talking about? >> we don't know how long it's been around. it could have been around a long time and it's been in animals. >> at least half a century, we know that it's been around. >> right, but that's not a long time in terms of you know the world history. the big viral outbreak of 1919 was the one that killed you know millions of people so this is really new land that we're going through. >> is this more dangerous than hiv and sars? >> give give us some context. >> we know how hiv is transmit

transmitted. you can prevent and protect yourself from it. there are a lot of viruses that are just out there. you can treat people symptomatically. they probably have duncan on a lot of fluids. i would imagine he has diarrhea as well as having all the other symptoms he has with it. basically, you've got to keep up with his body losses. >> let's talk about the shift in condition, now critical. >> well you know we haven't seen in this country how this virus progresses. for us he's patient one. so we're learning that. people in africa have seen it, but they didn't have the same supports we had. they didn't have the hospitals. that's what the military is going there to do. they're going to build ground

hospitals so they can try to take people so they are cared for there and they can contain the virus within west africa. >> the doctors treating him are asking to use an experimental drug. might this help him? >> there are two drugs that have been in development. they're out of one of them. i don't know that they have enough of the other one. it will be an antiviral. it will not be an antibiotic. antibiotics are using against a bacteria. he's got a virus. that's a different thing. if he has some type of bacterial infection on top of his virus, than an antibiotic may help. >> thank you so much. still ahead, isis has beheaded another british aid worker and the terror group is threatening to kill another american. and justice for jordan davis. the man accused of shooting and

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the battle against the militant group isis has taken a dramatic turn. the group also threatened to kill american and former soldier, peter kasich. his family said he converted to islam after he was captured in syria doing humanitarian work. amen is here in new york with us today. aman one of the developments

today is we're hearing turkey's parliament is saying yes, we will be involved in military assistance in the actions that are being taken in iraq. what's the significance in that? >> turkey shares a very strategic border with syria and has for years been the major conduit for supplies getting to that battlefields. it sends a very important message and perhaps out of all the neighboring countries it can have an immediate impact. >> we're looking at some new reports of some advances by isis today. kobani under siege by isis forces. another key city at least from

what we're hearing at the hoemt moment, has been taken by isis. have tides turned here. >> isis on the ground is a very fluid organization. they may be being hit in one area. they were able to regroup and readjust to battlefield developments. what it's demonstrating is that the organization despite having this onslaught of aerial attacks from the u.s. has the ability to adapt and regroup. that's going to be a troubling sign for any of the military advisers watching this. the pakistani taliban is pledging their commitment to what isis is doing. >> that's more of an ideological

thing. i think it's more about the fact they have a common enemy with the united states. this is an issue that has not been lost on a lot of people. once the u.s. and the u.k. and western allies got involved in another muslim country, no matter how bad the situation is these groups are now being galvanized to join forces. that's why the u.s. was so keen on having arab muslim allyies join the ranks of this coalition so they can avoid this perception that, hey, this is a western christian fight against muslim groups in a muslim country. >> what does that say about who is winning the hearts and minds of those in the region and in iraq specifically? what do we know? >> that's a very tough question. there's a flat out rejection to isis. by no means is isis a popular

organization. some of the most senior islamic clerics in the muslim world have come out and rejected them. there is also a separate issue, which is the u.s. getting militarily involved in another arab country. the iraq war. it's very difficult for the u.s. to shed that despite the fact it may be going in for good intentions. it's very difficult to shed that legacy its had of military involvement. you're going to see groups galvanize. groups that say this is a chance to once again condemn and reject america's involvement in the middle east. >> we started this conversation talking about this and this is isis, perhaps, moving a little bit more rapidly at the moment. does this look to you that they are stepping it up? they are going to increase the stakes here when it comes to the

ground war, forces. >> they have demonstrated a consistent intensity that their fighting capabilities. if you look over the past six months they have maintained the same kind of momentum on the ground. that, i think, is a strategic decision by isis that's going to be difficult for any air force to deal with alone unless you have ground forces which is what this debate now in this country and elsewhere is shifting to. the u.s. military advisers are saying an air military campaign is not going to defeat isis alone. you have to have some political structure on the ground that can take control of that area. >> when you look at political structures and the political coalition, strange bedfellows. we have assad in damascus coming

out to speak today. what do you make of that? >> for him to come out, i think is a sign of confidence that he is somewhat benefitting from the fact the u.s. is weakening an enemy of his. i told you so. he's been saying to the international community. i've been fighting terrorists for the past three years. that's not an accurate decision of what's going on inside syria. now the international community is adopting his talking points so to speak. he's coming out with a little bit more confidence. he has survived. the international community seems to have forgotten about him for the time being. he has managed to shift the international debate from him

and on to isis. >> in the headlines, what are we missing? we have covered so much and there's so much to talk about when we're looking at the movements through in iraq. isis today the u.k. with air strikes this past week for the first time so many moving parts here. what are some of the crucial issues? we were just talking about bashar al assad. >> the big issue i would be must concerned about isn't isis inside the region but across syria. i don't think there's enough being done on that particular front. there are a lot of issues. the situation in libya is extreme dangerous. it tends to fall off the radar, at least here in u.s. media. we could find ourselfs in a situation where groups like isis are popping up. that would be a disastrous consequence across the region.

the situation in gaza remains dire. it was a very intense summer. that's fallen off the radar. no major improvement on that front. and these are the things that constantly continue to fester. they are used by groups to recruit and deepen that ideology. that's a troubling point. this region is interwebbed more so than the internet. i think it's sometimes lost on people. >> very well said. coming up the man who shot and killed 17-year-old jordan davis just convicted after a second trial. we'll talk to davis' mom about the message she think the verdict sends to the country. great rates and safety working in harmony. open an optimizer +plus

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to be diagnoseed in the u.s. with ebola, now in critical condition in a dallas hospital. he was previously listed in serious condition. meanwhile, the cdc saying nine people are definite contacts here of the 42-year-old. meaning they came into contact with him after he was contagious. more than 40 other people are being monitored. to hong kong where pro-democracy protesters are still filling the streets. this comes after police and demonstrators got into a scuffle today. c.y. leung called on demonstrators to disperse and allow the people of hong kong to get back to their routines. jean claud-claude duvalier died of a heartache. he and his family settled in

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passenger there. it might be no surprise if americans today are questioning the federal government's ability to protect its citizens. let's go to our brain trust panel. good day to all three of you. the white house seeking to ensure the u.s. people that ebola is in this country not a threat. take a listen. >> the united states is prepared to deal with this crisis both at home and in the region. every ebola outbreak over the past 40 years has been stopped. we know how to do this and we will do it again. >> so doctor when we look at

the messages coming out of the white house, the messaging coming out from health officials, the cdc, the hospital, are these satisfying what people are most concerned about, because the whole idea behind this is think logically, don't panic? >> i think that's a good strategy for a couple of reasons, but people are still concerned for a variety of reasons. we don't want people to panic because we don't want people racing to the hospitals and ers. >> are the right touch points being touched? >> we have to look closely at the entry points for people and what's going on with travel. if somebody is sick with ebola or has symptoms they would want to get here. if they're on the plane like in this case and they have symptom, what do you do? it's like a quarantine center with everyone trapped on the plane together.

even when somebody is here we don't want them to come immediately to the er. >> staying on the topic, during this time of uncertainty, politicians whose job it is to channel public sentiment and lead that sentiment have found themselves he is saying at something of a loss. are we seeing a lack of national leadership during this time of crisis as we look at ebola among many issues that are being dealt with? >> the white house is tasked with many issues. that is the norm for them. our government is doing its best to get out in front of this epidemic. there is still much room for the european nations and other communities to come in. 40 some percent of americans are

very concerned about this disease. 26% says they are concerned about it happening potentially to them or somebody in their family. in this country, even with the most sophisticated medical and technological systems in the world, also it takes is one lapse with health workers to potentially create the conditions for a broader outbreak in this country. that's what frightening in this country. i think it is commendable that the president is sending troops to west africa to assist the government with setting up facilities to contain this epidemic. >> as a former secret service agent and now being a security consultant we're looking at security around the country. how would you handle this and is

it possible to keep citizens safe from something we don't know very well? >> i don't think it's possible to keep us safe. i think we're going to be vulnerable at some point. the disease coming into the u.s., what are we doing to prevent it? you can ask someone if you're okay. if i'm somebody who has contracted any type of virus or i'm not feeling well if i want to be sick i want to be sick in the united states. i'm going to be deceptive. yes, i'm fine. not everyone is going to be forthcoming and want to tell you that. the other issue we're having is this the federal government is doing everything they can. the cdc director oversees and gives support. if there's an ebola outbreak in the newark it's on the newark officials within that area to respond. they're the ones who directly respond to the issue. you have to hope and assume they do everything the right way. it's not the cdc who comes in

and says we got it. that's why we saw a couple hiccups in dallas texas. some people have been asking the federal government to have an ebola czar. we feel it will give an extra layer of bureaucracy. by keeping the number of personnel lean it'll be easier to respond. >> it's complex. it's just not a single point of control. as a matter of that i want to play a little bit from dr. nancy snyderman and her report. >> the ebola outbreak has made taking precautions here a way of life now. >> thank you so much. >> reporter: officials are vigilant about taking temperatures at the airport or even in between towns. in hotels guests are encouraged to wash their hands in vats of

bleach. greetings are done at a distance. no hand shakes no hugs. >> that's reporting coming from dr. nancy snyderman there in liberia. but she is real underlining this constellation of different protocols. we may have protocols listed out by the cdc, but you have to practice this not only in all these different locations in the united states, but also locations internationally. >> especially for medical care that's a huge thing. we're looking at government officials or cdc officials to try to contain it, but we have to do it as a community also, especially in west africa. their conditions are different in the sewage treatment situation and running water itself. but you're right. without the support of the people or people preventing the

spread, it would be very difficult for any official to do by themselves or organization. >> i want to turn to the other big headline that came out of last week and that's the secret service. we've seen the change of leadership at the top. highly regarded secret service throughout the decades here. does the impact of a scandal reach beyond the secret service? >> i think the impact of the scandal -- you know, it's a scandal. we love to see scandals and we want to put them out there and explain them. there's been hiccup after hiccup with the secret service. the congressional oversight committee, i watch that c-span hearing. they really paid attention. a lot of them spoke very well. representative cummings spoke very eloquently and intelligently. what i liked was he wasn't looking to pinpoint or crucify

or make a spectacle of it. the agency almost suffering from the inside and imploeding from the inside. you have leaks. you have whistle-blowers. why do these things exist? and what can that agency do to rectify it? >> what can the agency do to rectify it? she was talking about this. she said everybody who was involved that day needs to be fired. if you were the director would you do that? >> you don't know who is responding to what what supervisors are involved. again, we don't have any transparency. we don't know the actual what happened. during the congressional hearing, they didn't give that much information. >> very quickly, but what does this mean for the midterms? >> i think so far i'm not seeing so much -- excuse me i don't think there's going to be so much effect on the midterms. one of the things that i think is positive is the committee has

approached this in a bipartisan way. there hasn't been finger pointing at anybody. the success of the secret service agency depends not only their expertise, but the perception of their expertise. this is a great thing that our government, our lawmakers, are trying to get to the bottom of the problem and rectify this situation as soon as possible. >> have a good one. we'll be right back.

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acting in self-defense. dunn was convicted in february on multiple counts of attempted murder. the jury could not reach a verdict on first-degree murder and a mistrial was declared. dunn's retrial ended this week. a jury returned a guilty verdict on their murder charge. dunn will spend the rest of his life in prison. let's bring in the mother of jordan davis. he's she's a national spokesperson for moms demand gun sense in america. thank you for being with us today. you and jordan's father there in the courtroom, the verdict came down the verdict was read. it was what you wanted. what was your reaction? >> relief. a complete sigh of relief. actually surprise. i know that jordan's father and i suspected that maybe the

charges would be you know, second-degree murder, third-degree manslaughter but honestly we were surprised with the first-degree murder charge conviction. >> what do you want as they move forward to sentencing now? what do you want in terms of sentencing for michael dunn? >> i want michael dunn to serve the charges that have been brought against him. i do feel really sorry that he will have to live the rest of his life in prison but we have to justify his actions and his actions -- the verdict that he has received justifies the actions that he took towards my son and the boys in the car. >> you and i have watched many stories throughout the last two years that involve young black men in situations in shooting deaths, and your son here that

involves white men as well. these cases have been in the headlines for us. what does this say in this case in your opinion, about where that is going and what is happening in the country? >> well i think the way the laws the stand your ground laws, are interpreted i think that has a great deal to do with what we see happening in the country. also too, you have individuals that have unfounded fears of other ethnicities and racial groups, you know a lot of people in this country might have misguided attitudes and feelings about young black men. and so combined with those feelings emotions and fears, you combine those with the stand your ground laws this is what we're beginning to see in this country. this is what's playing out on the streets of america. >> what did you talk about with

jordan's father after that came down? you were able to leave the courtroom. what did you talk about? >> we talked about the fact that jordan would be able to completely rest in peace, that his legacy would be one of respect for who he is as an individual challenging those ideas and opinions that we know are not right and are wrong, to push the system to work justifiably, the way that it's supposed to work and we were just very happy that we stood fast for jordan. we were just so excited continuously excited about all the people within jacksonville that had so stood by us and supported us and just really wrapped their arms around us as a community. and we were extremely excited

about the nature of which our team, our prosecution, worked so diligently on jordan's behalf. >> on jordan's behalf. now that this has come full circle, what would you say to jordan about what's happened? >> baby you are free. you are completely free and we will continue to walk out your life in love, acceptance, peace, and forgiveness. >> thank you so much. mother of jordan davis, as well as a national spokesperson for moms demand gun sense in america. really appreciate you sharing your thoughts today. >> thank you so much. still to come pulling back the curtain on violence against gays. i'll talk to a film director who gets unprecedented access to a level of brutality you will not believe.

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images this weekend on just what it's like to be gay in one of the world's wealthiest and most powerful countries, russia. many are so disturbing we've chosen not to show them here. it's in a new documentary called "hunted: the war against gays in russia". >> over 90% of the videos show gay men being victims of this groups. >> the videos are extremely distressing. >> this video, for example, shows extreme physical abuse of a man who they accuse of being gay. >> the woman you heard there is tanya, a researcher with human rights watch. she's describing proof of a bloody campaign of anti-gay vigilante as cross the country. as you saw, being gay in russia means being afraid, hunted. it premieres monday on hbo. with us is the director of the film, ben steele. he met and filmed some of the

vigilantes you see there. the guy we just saw in the video gets pretty severely beaten. how common are the videos being posted online? >> well, unfortunately, these videos are very available on russia social media, and there are vigilante gangs across russia. we're aware of groups in over 30 russian cities who target gay people, lure gay men to meet up and then attack them physically assault them often extremely brutally. they humiliate them film these assaults and post them online pushing outblic publicly outing them. >> ben, how brutal are we talking about? >> well extremely brutal. some of the videos in the film are really stomach curdling to watch. indeed we gain access to one of the largest vigilante gangs in russia called occupy pedophilia.

we film in one of their flats when a gay man comes in unexpectedly. he's been lure nd. they've been hunting him what they call on safari because gay people are targeted like animals in russia. i'm there with the camera. i'm actually forced out of the room when the gay man comes in but i push my way back in and i carry on filming because i feel it's incredibly important to highlight this issue to the outside world. and i'm also terrified for the young man's safety. i believe by filming and by being there with a camera, i'm offering some kind of a break on extreme levels of violence. >> are they hospitalized? how severe is this? >> well, the young man i filmed with, when he was assaulted and humiliated he didn't require hospital treatment afterwards, which was fantastic. but for him, really, in that event, the far greater humiliation was that he was publicly outed because the

vigilantes filmed it with their own cameras as they so often do and they put it on social media. and so he'll lose his job when it comes out that he's gay. >> why aren't they afraid of repercussions here? >> well the vigilantes believe, sadly, that they are acting on behalf of the majority of the russian people and they believe that they have the approval of russian authorities. so when they post these videos online, they're not afraid to show their own faces. they don't fear any consequences from the reductionussian authorities? >> why don't they? why aren't the police doing anything here? >> well the police choose to turn a blind eye. last year the russian duma the russian government passed a so-called anti-propaganda law, which bans all neutral references to homosexuality.

it's turns gay people into second-class citizens. worse than that because it's kouxed in terms of child protection and specifically references the protection of minors it creates in people's mind the false link to homosexuality and pedophilia are somehow connected. and of course president putin himself made that connection when just before the sochi olympics he said gay athletes and gay olympics are welcome to come to the olympics but leave our children alone. >> we see a man in one video being held down. he was punch nd the face several times and others forced to sit in a bathtub while urine is poured on them. these gangs post them online. tell us in 15 seconds if you can if that's the most severe. >> well, i think in many ways the mental abuse that gay people suffer is worse than the physical abuse. a climate of fear is spreading across russia.

>> thank you very much. i appreciate your time ben steele. thank you. that's it for this hour. thanks for watching. be back tomorrow starting at 3:00 p.m. eastern time. until then, have a very good day. hird shift is rough... it's just a few more weeks max! what are you doing up? it's late. i just wanted to have breakast wih you.

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