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special place. >> the bokts. >> the box sucks. >> you are separated from everything. you learn to deal with it. it's called the box. boston, massachusetts, is by any standard a world-class city. but ever since colonial days some have called it a fighting town. located in the heart of the city is a place for anyone who does their fighting outside of a ring. more than 12,000 people a year pass through the suffolk county
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jail. most arrive here having been accused of a crime. if they don't make bail, they stay here until the case is resolved. >> we are not necessarily housing people, very violent krienls or people with nonviolent crimes, but it's a maximum security facility. >> with 2,700 male and female inmates, someone reaches the boiling point every day of the week. >> the most common violation is fighting. it's common for detainees to fight over rivalries and gang differences. when they come in, they go right
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at it. they end up here. >> here is the segregation unit where they are placed after disciplinary violations. other than toilet paper and personal papers they are not allowed anything. inmate have another name for it. >> the box. it's hell on earth. >> the box sucks. >> you go to 6 1 unit you will hear screaming, i am going to kill you. these people do not like each other and they take every opportunity to tell anybody who is listening how much they don't like anybody en. >> dan espinoza is usually
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quiet. it happened the night he was arrested, but he says he doesn't remember a thing about it. >> from what i was cold, i chased after a court you have a when i was being cuffed up. >> he came in severely inebriated, whether it was drunk, drugs, but he was definitely under the influence of something when he came into the facility. >> espinoza had been arrested on charges of larceny and shoplifting. he was taken directly to the segregation unit. fortunately for him, he wasn't charged for his alleged abusive behavior and later pled not guilty to the original charges. >> i was on felony pills.
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>> why do you call them felony pills? >> because every time i take them, i get felonies. when i was in the iron workers uni tore my knee up. i was on vicodin, percocet and eventually heroin. >> he says he supported his addiction by shopping and sold the item in boston's ethnic be neighborhoods. >> i would get a rack of jeans. go to the italians. puerto ricans for the clothe. the chinese for electronics, watches. >> if convicted he could face self years in state prison. >> maybe it's what i need. >> while his future is
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uncertain, he is about to be transferred to general population. >> tonight i get out, thachk god. get to play in the big box again. hate the little box. >> like espinoza, daniel aspires to be placed in the general population unit. >> i get to mingle with the crowd. >> what happened? >> fight. everybody fights, right. that's how you handle situations in here. if somebody says something or you got problems, you got to act on it or they will. >> he was convicted of
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possession of a firearm and sentenced to two years. a separate county jail. due to multiple fights he spent the first 15 months in seg re fwags. he was still a disciplinary problem. >> he has been involved in about ten fights. he has been involved in a lot more behind the scenes than he has actually been involved in. >> if someone is arguing with a c.o., i be in the background amping them up. i like that. >> why? >> i don't know. it's fun to me. i just enjoy that. i like all the commotion and stuff like thak. >> while he thrives on commotion outside his cell, inside is
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order. >> that's a rug. it's a blarng et. i feel more comfy. that's my cosmetics. sound weird, but that's just the way you do everything. same thing with deodorants. you don't just use the same one. mouthwash, shampoo, two of everything because you don't want to use all one thing. >> this is another unique aspect to his current living situation. due to his fighting or egging on of other inmates, jail officials decided to house him where other inmates wouldn't respond to him. >> we removed him from seg re to the infirmary. >> this is medical. this is where sick people come
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down here. they said if i come down here and maintain good behavior, i get detail. then i can go backing to population. >>, in the meantime, he says he will try to make the best of his work detail and life in the infirmary. >> got a tv in the cell. i never thought i was going to see a tv in the joint, let alone my cell. work out. write letters. sometimes you talk to yourself. >> what do you say to yourself? >> everything i want to hear. that's the best thing about talking to yourself. >> coming up, an inmate nicknamed smiley deals with her troubled fast. >> i pinched the lieutenant in the face.
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got tuna today for lunch. got no choice but to eat it. back to our cells after this. >> every day here is a living he hell. every day. ain't no sunshine in this jail. >> there is some sunshine in boston suffolk county jail. depending on their security level, inmates are out for an hour or more of rec each day. during bad weather, recreation is take a. in had housing unit day rooms where inmates work out any way they can. >> i do pull-ups every day, ten reps a day.
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push ups, squats, got to work on the legs. >> over on the women's side, some inmates aim for a mind-body connection, ab more contemplative practice. from time to time the jail allows a volunteer yoga instructor to give a class. >> it's relaxing and makes your day go by earlier. >> 23-year-old valerie hasn't always been so mellow. she is nearing the end of a 90-day sentence for convictions that include assault on a police officer. >> i got into a fight with a girl. when they got rough with me i punched a lieutenant in the face. they got me on assault and battery on a lieutenant police officer.
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they call me smiley because i am also smiling. i am a nice person, but don't get in my personal space or it's going down. >> she proved her point a few days after arriving at jail. she got in a fight. >> she got a broken eye socket. i put her in the infirmry eight days. >> she was released to general population a few weeks ago. but despite her sometimes violent tendencies, she claims her numerous stays in the county jail have stemmed from her addiction to cocaine and heroin, when i was with my kids, i never did no drugs, never did nothing. i was a stay-at-home whom. then started racking charges and
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doing drugs, it was all downhill. >> she turned to prostitution to support her drug habit. her two children, ages 5 and of are in the custody of their father. >> i write to them. he won't let me talk to them on the phone from jail. >> despite the pain, she has found room for laughter in jail, particularly with her cellmate, cindy archer. >> the first night i came in we laughed so hard, she was on the floor rolling. >> i was against the wall, slapping the wall. i haven't laughed so hard like that, me and her. >> she has struggled with addictions to heroin and cocaine. she is currently serving one year for prostitution. >> i was street walking. i would go out there, jump in a
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car, get the money. but usually i would rob the guys. take the money out of their wallet. i know how to do it, you know what i mean. that's how i got my money. >> when you are high all you want is another hit. when you are dope sick, all you want is another hit. the consequences. >> those were abscesses. when i shot coke i used to miss and get poisened. >> i know they look horrible. she has got to be thinking that could happen to her. i could save her from getting these scars. i have them, but i am alive and i can still try to help her.
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don't let her get any further into her addiction. >> like she said about the scars, i think that all the time. i look at my track marks, i am like wow, you know what i mean? look. >> we are too pretty for that. we don't need thof marks and scars on our body. all the things i lost getting high. it's crazy. but you have to get clean for yourself. you can't do it for other people. >> daniel espinoza has paid a price for drug addiction. high when he was arrested for shoplifting. he assaulted several deputies in his first court appearance. as a result he spent time in segregation. now he is on his way to general
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population where he will have more privileges and time outside his cell. >> today i am getting out of the hole. get to play with the big kids in the big box now. when you go to a new unit, you don't know who is in that unit. we will see what's going on. >> i get to put a pair of sneakers on. my new unit. see what's gonna happen. >> 24. daniel has spent the last four months living and working in the jail's infirmary, hoping the good bow havre would convince the jabl officials to grant him a transfer to general population. >> he had a detail in medical
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where he served food and cleaned the unit. he came a lot farther than we estimated him doing. >> he finally got a transfer, but not the one he wanted. he is back in the box. >> i am in seg re fwags because i had a disagreement with the officers. i was told if i work and behave, i could choose where i want to go. when it came down here, you can't go here, you can't go there. you can only go where we tell you to go. >> he likes to get what he wants. he is very manipulative. yesterday morning he had an incident where the juice was leaking and decided notsome serve the juice. the officers asked him to go to his cell. he said i am got getting what i want so move me out.
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>> i said i am not doing the juice. >> he packed up his things. the sergeant asked hymn what he was doing. he said i am leaving today one way or the other. later on he was fine but decided he needs to make a decision. i think he said grow up and move me to the work program and move to the box. i made the decision and he went to segregation last night. >> he beat him severely. >> a brightal assault brings consequences that could go beyond time in the box.
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give the name credence. after spending 30 days in segregation, or as he calls it, the little box, he was released to the big box, general population, where he had more privileges and time outside his cell. now, six days later, espinoza is on his way back to the little box. >> we got in a fight. someone jumped someone. >> he got involved in a three on one in which he and two others brutally assaulted another inmate. >> we beat the [ bleep ] out of him. >> he did pass out. he went to the hospital with bleeding from the ears. >> the jail normally pickupishes fighting by placing the participants in segregation for
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up to 30 days. for especially violent incidents the jail my choose to file criminal charges. first, staff will review surveillance video of the fight. >> at that table is four detainees. another interesting part is this. >> who knows the attack is coming and is not going to be a participant. the three on one attack is ready. you see mr. espinoza begin to rise from the table. what ensues is a flurry of punches and kicks to a detainee. >> if additional criminal charges are filed against
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espinoza, the most likely charge would be assault and battery. a conviction that could send him to state prison for up to eight years. >> most people come into the building and don't want to make what they have worse so they keep bad behavior in check. fights are quickly broken up. for a person to pick up a significant charge like this is rare. >> while espinoza's long-term consequents are unknown, his day-to-day life back in the bokts is completely predictable. >> i try to sleep until like o'clock. then i read for a while, work out, anything just to make the time pass. you are separated from everything in the outside world. you learn to deal with it. call it the box life. >> coming up. >> it's 13 windows or.
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here is what's happening. an american doctor released after treating ebola is in the hospital. the doctor has what appears to be a routine he is practice entry illness and does not have indications of the return of ebola. thomas duncan is now in critical condition. now, back to "lockup." >> operations support in cell
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2052. >> did you find him? >> when valerie entered boston's suffolk county jail, she got closer to her fiance. >> i tried to find him. >> he is housed in the men's unit on the other side of the jail. luckily enough, she has a perfect view of his cell window. >> 13 windows over on the bottom he has a heart in the window. it's pink. >> as inmates, she and her fiance cannot write or talk to each other on the phone. they use a different method to communicate. they call it skywriting. >> you write the words backward. when you are done you put your hand up like that.
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i am glad we can across from each other and can talk to each other. he has his heart on. in his hants. i love him. it's crazy, right? >> daniel would be happy to see a friendly face. he recently refused to perform his job detail in the infirmary and became verbally abusive to staff. the incident earned him a minor disciplinary ticket. he is not happy about being back in the box. >> i stair out the window all day. i work out and talk through the doors. >> despite his setback he believes his four months in the infirmary should have earned him
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a shot at going back to the general population. >> i have get with him for the past five or six years. you made a comment to the officer -- he is a very smart individual. he is manipulative. he knows how to play the game. he is a good talker. >> i want to get this straight. you are telling me the whole four and a half months i slipped up one time and everything goes down the hill. >> you made a choice not to do what was asked of you. >> i don't understand. honestly i really don't understand that. it all started off in the morning about some juice. i didn't want to pour the juice. i had other issues going on. everything was adding up. but you have to look at the
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positive side of it. he caught a ticket but he didn't catch a ticket for trying to hurt somebody or for making noise or kicking on the door. >> i never said you are dead in the water. >> i'm not saying you are dead in the water. >> you know i am. >> you don't know. you had a setback. that's all it is. but you need to make sure that you are maintaining yourself up here with no questions. >> can i ask you a question? rur you have asked me ten questions. >> do you honestly think what i caught a ticket for was that bad for me? >> the ticket wasn't bad. you were getting escalated quickly and getting angry over a minor thing. >> i wasn't doing nothing aggressive. >> i know you weren't.
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>> my exact words was this. call rochelle, tell her i need to speak to her, make a decision. >> you did. >> if you send me to c dub or to the box. i was aggravated. >> i know that. >> the only way i know how to channel my anger is physically. instead of doing that, i am yelling. >> that was recognized. >> rochelle, to tell you the truth, you got the job, you are the boss and i respect you. but you and i both know i wouldn't care about be seg, but i feel as though if i just did four months, four months -- >> that's why i am saying you are not dead in the water. >> the next step is asu here, which could determine how long
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he would remain in segregation. >> you will most likely be seeing asu tomorrow. >> nice seeing you. >> you, too, daniel. >> you are always going to be good in my book. >> while he deals with the consequences of his actions, it's time for dan espinoza to do the same. he has been called for a disciplinary hearing for a brutal three on one attack on an inmate, a fight that was one of the biggest in years. >> before we ask you any questions, you must understand your rights. >> since most jail fights are broken up before there is serious injury they are usually handled internally.
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but espinoza's fight was so violent. >> do you understand the rights? >> yes. >> what happened? >> told him to leave, he didn't leave. >> he didn't leave so you fought him. why did you tell him to leave? >> because he robbed from my cellmate. >> you told him to check off and he didn't, so you banged him up. why so badly? >> i can't answer that question. >> it went on for a while. you took breex. >> i didn't take a break. >> i understand. why so long? >> i lost concept of time. >> basically, you know, yeah,
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it's pretty bad. you are probably going to do 30. thank you. >> but 30 days in segregation could be the least of espinoza's problems. should the da decide to pursue prosecution, he could potentially face eight years in prison. >> was it worth it? >> tired of income here. they put me in a kachblg and i turn into a beast. >> what happened? >> got a ticket. >> you seemed to be spiraling out of control before that. >> daniel tries again to catch a break. -o
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. every day i get up. i have breakfast, go back to bed until ten. i take a shower. watch tv during the day. go on the treadmill. >> when it comes to doing time in boston's suffolk county jail, cindy is an old hand. this is her 14th stay at the jail. >> i liner. >> makeup is considered jail contraband. inmate caught with it could receive a disciplinary write-up. so she has turned to an unusual source. from the window seal.
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>> you activate the hair grease and it turns black. nobody can make it as black as me, though. >> during the ten years, she has been in and out of suffolk county on petty charges that she claims were due to drug addiction. the time has been made easier by her good friend valerie. valerie was released a few days ago. >> i miss valerie very much. i called her monday night. she said she was doing okay. she answered the phone, a collect call from me. she was so happy that her daughter was home. >> it won't be along. archer can join her friend. >> i am getting released in five
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days. i am trying to get to a program. i am going to stay clean. i am not going to come back here. >> archer recently took a small step toward freedom when she joined kmount work program. twice a week they send low security inmate outside the jail to perform jobs. >> you only get $3 a day, but it's worth it to me. it helps me get through my day. >> it's almost like a steppingstone before you get out the door. they are working, seeing people, children with their families. it's different than being housed with 30 females. >> it's a gradual thing. >> today some female inmate are headed to a public library to
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shovel snow. >> the classification process to get into the program is strict. >> the program's director, assistant deputy heather mcneill has known archer for years. >> she was in her with her mother. we were almost working together. >> can we have a cigarette together? >> no, we cannot. >> oh, please. >> take a shovel. i got these. >> she has been in and out for so long that this is kind of like home. unfortunately. she probably feels safer in here than she does on the street. >> i am just happy to be doing something. like normal, you know.
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>> daniel esdale is hoping for a bit more freedom. he has five weeks left. he is still holding out hope that he can spend that time. general population. >> there is still a possibility. like this big, this big, that be i might go to pop. i doubt it. >> esdale is currently back in segregation. but he sees it as one splaul slip upafter four months of what was for him unusually good behavior. >> i am going to get administrated because of my presence in the building. >> cindy wallen is in charge of esdale's hearing. it's not the anywheres time she
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has seen him. >> how are you today? >> this is not where i wanted us to be. you know that, right? what happened? >> caught a ticket. >> you seem to be spiraling out of control before that, though. >> yeah, because i kept getting restricted for no reason. >> daniel is a special case because of the level of violence he has shown. staff assaults, fighting, continuous disruptions. he just doesn't stop. now we medium to move forward. >> i am going to asu. >> correct. what we are going to do is place you into asu, i would say probably for the reminder of your sentence. >> no restraints. >> correct. you came out of the infirmary, nothing violent. we could put you on full
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restraint. we could move further than that. i hope it's not. you have a little over a month left with us. i hope you can ride that out and to what you are supposed to. do you have any questions about what is going to happen? >> with what? >> with asu. >> i can't go to pop, so no, no questions. >> now, knowing he will spend his last five weeks in segregation, esdale is led back to his cell. >> he is a player. he is the type of inmate who reads you. if you are afraid of him he is going to act tough. if you are not, he won't act tough. >> i knew it was going to happen. >> he doesn't know where his lies begin and his truths end. he will beat up a cellmate because the cell might doesn't keep the cell clean. that's his personality. >> this is stupid.
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i knew i couldn't leave the box. take a dog out of the cage, he don't even nibble. you are used to him biting. instead of saying he balked, he didn't bite. lock him in the box. it's a box. at least i know i am going to be out, though, right? >> while his near future appears settled. cindy archer's has suddenly taken an uncertain turn. she has just returned from her work detail. >> why did they have you brought here? >> i don't know. i have no idea. >> when we strip-searched her just now we found cigarette residue all over her bra.
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it looks like she may have smoked it. >> that was makeup from the other day. i don't have no cigarettes, believe me. i don't know what you are talking about. it was only makeup from the other day. that was it. i don't have nothing. >> having tobacco could delay archer's release. sinceoffs have only found residue, she is not face consequences. >> she will not go back outside until she leaves on friday. >> maybe she doesn't want to leave. that might be one. >> big developments for three suffolk county inmate. hey john check it out.
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>> inmates at boston suffolk county jail refer to the segregation unit as the box. but for a handful of inmates, time in the box does nothing to deter their behavior. in those cases the jail has one other, more drastic option. it can transfer them to another jail in a neighboring county. >> we will accept inmates from other facilities who have issues in their populations. we give them a fresh start. the classification department sends individuals out to other counties where the drama may not be. we don't want a large contingency of people in the segregation units. we try and keep down the violence. if we can stem some of the
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violence, we do. that step has now been taken with daniel esdale. >> he was transferred to another facility last week. >> he was here for a long time. taking that known identity for him and placing him somewhere elsewhere he is not so known could be better for him. he is given another shot in another county. >> the suffolk county jail has almost been a second home to cindy archer. today she will have another chance to put it behind her. >> i am going home. i am going to stay clean. >> what's the first thing dowel when you get outside? >> i am smoking a cigarette. >> as she is processed out, she gets to exchange her jail
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uniform for the street clothes she was arrested in months earlier. >> my pants fit me. bye. >> call me. >> i will. my god, my god. this is the best feeling in the world, is to get out of jail. i have been here almost ten months. >> you want to go home? >> yes. >> what is your i.d. number. >> thank you, my release papers. thank you. this is my stuff. i am going outside to smoke, right now. >> archer has arranged to stay with an old boyfriend while she gets on her feet. >> i just got out just now. i will call you. please have your phone with you.
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i will call you in a half an hour. >> i value my life very much and my freedom. i have to think about, well, if you do drugs it's only going to last for a minute. you will have a habit. you will get another case and be back in the jail, be in the infirmary, dope sick. i have the power to change myself. i have to stay away from all bad things. >> dan espinoza expects to walk out of jail any day as well. but his freedom is not guaranteed. authorities might still bring criminal charges against him for his role in a three-on-one fight in the general population segment. he has got the money. >> i am going to bail out hopefully and both this case.
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people don't show up. i am hoping that happens. when i beat these cases i am going to try the mundane life. >> you he has tried before. >> i have the house, the car, the girl, that's usually when i pick up. i will start out smoking weed. that progression leads me back to heroin. i look at everything i have and i have got three or four months until this is all gone. i can't stop until it's all gone. >> i have been happy, but sometimes i like the pain. the box life.
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an inmate defends himself against a violent attack. >> everybody step to your rooms. >> now authorities want to know if he took it too far. >> there's no longer an assault on you. now you're beating the hell out of him. >> while another inmate takes creative steps to send his love to the girlfriend he allegedly, accidentally shot. ♪ i understand you're feeling down ♪
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