he's gone missing. i'm confident the folks in texas found him before and can find him before. >> the man who may have had contact with the first ebola patient in the u.s. who he is and why he's of interest. in an hour a freelance camera man who contracted the virus in lie beer i can't will be on his way back. the number of people the cdc is looking at has gone down today. at the same time the agency is saying they are all out. the director of the national

center for disaster preparedness giveses i plan. also michael brown's family holds a news conference. you are looking at a live picture of the church where they are at this moment. they are demanding the officer who shot and killed their son last month be arrested right now. we'll bring you that as it happens. good afternoon to you. i'm richard lui. we'll start with the latest on the ebola outbreak. within the next hour that nbc news freelance camera man with the disease will fly out of africa to the united states. he's headed to the university of nebraska medical center in omaha. his parents and girlfriend are on their way to meet him there. this afternoon the cdc updating us on patient thomas duncan in critical condition at a dallas hospital with the cdc director saying he's clinging to life. >> we have seen a lot of understandable concern. because of the deadly nature of ebola, and we are hoping for the

recovery of the patient in dallas, we understand that his situation has taken a turn for the worse. we know ebola is a serious disease. we are hoping for his recovery. because it's a deadly disease, people are scared. it's normal to be scared. >> here are the numbers. there are ten people identified as high risk contacts up from this time yesterday. but the number of possible contacts has gone down. it now stands at 38 from 36 on saturday. one of the possible contacts had apparently gone missing. one the cdc said they wanted to find. the cdc said he's a homeless man last tested saturday when he showed no fever. sarah is in dallas. what are you hearing about the man they are looking for? >> well, richard, we are told they have located this man. he was described as a low risk individual. that means he may or may not have had contact with duncan. he did appear for his medical

monitoring yesterday. since then they said he had gone missing. we were informed a minute or two ago that he's been located. judge jenkins tweeting out the information. they have located that individual. they will continue to monitor him. he's one of 48 people that they are monitoring. they say that will be the key to shutting this ebola possible outbreak down in its racks in the u.s. is the consistent and careful monitoring of anyone who may have come into contact with him. 48 people total. ten of whom they know had direct contact. seven medical workers and three family members of duncan now being monitored for temperature checks, vitals, things like that, to make sure they have no signs of ebola. so far no one experiencing symptoms. officials are prepared, if anything changes. >> sarah, let's talk about what they are calling the index patient here, thomas duncan. what's his condition? we know he took a turn for the

worse. >> we were given an update by the hospital. he's in critical condition. the family tells nbc news they have been told by medical staff he is on a ventilator and a dialysis machine. that's a sharp con last to earlier in the week. he was able to talk by phone with his relatives at least twice a day. update them on the condition. hear their well wishes. the family telling us, unable to speak due to the ventilator and the dialysis. the cdc says they are concerned for his well-being now. >> you are right there in dallas. you have been covering the story. we are hearing that the cdc director said they have had a terrific response by the health officials in texas. . the hospital originally sent duncan home. how is the community responding to all of this? >> there are all sorts of emotioning people are experiencing. there's calm, interest in the case, curiosity.

then fear of the unknown, fear that another hospital could have a mix- up that has more dire circumstances for the community at large. for the concern in the community you need to look no further than the cdc. they were receiving 50 calls or e-mails in regard to ebola since the first case has been diagnose ed in the u.s. they are receiving up up to 800 calls and e-mails a day. >> the very latest from dallas. thank you very much. let's bring many the director of the national center for disaster repardness at columbia university. thanks for joining us. i want to start with thomas duncan, the index patient here. as we look at his condition, what's changed in the last 24 hours. we were talking about the ventilator, dialysis now. what's ebola doing to his body? >> first of all, our hearts go out to him. it's an unfortunate turn of events. he's now really sick.

on a ventilator. his respiratory system isn't working. his kidneys are failing. these are bad signs. they have to do with the destruction of critical cells in vital systems. he's in a serious amount of trouble. >> at the moment. as we look at the solutions, how they might be able to combat this. perhaps it will come around the bend to help mr. duncan. they are out of zmap. >> correct. >> what are other solutions they can employ quickly? >> there is not much that's specific. in the united states and western countries they can provide high quality supportive care. dialysis, ventilators. we can keep people hydrated, prevent bacterial infections. in terms of specific treatments, the zmap is gone. it take as long time to replace it. >> months? >> months. first of all the process they

are using for producing that is based on tobacco leaves. it's slow. hopefully we'll have vaccines en route. there are experimental ideas. this will be a long slow process. >> anti-bodies like out of the movies. >> it's one of those scenarios that we'll try anything and everything to help individuals. >> the numbers that we were just describing. it was up to 18. it moved to 100 quickly. then october 4 to 55 people. i today down to 48. what do you make of the cdc saying there is no sign of new cases when you look at the numbers. how quickly they have moved up and they are starting to go down a bit. >> the idea of case tracking and

monitoring is complicated. first of all it takes a long time to figure out who was in real contact with this person. the initial thing is to do a wide net. public health officials make sure not leaving one out of the net at this moment. as they talk to people, figure out how intense it was. they can reduce the number and the amount of people they have to track. >> you may have read this today. forbes pub p lishing an article. it says the headline, ebola as isis bio weapon. as we look at how ebola has been handled there is another issue the government is dealing with which is isis. they say the individual exposed to the ebola virus would be the carrier. in the context of terrorist activity it doesn't take much to go to the next step to use a human being as a carrier. is this something that's way out

in left field or is it a possibility. >> the world is so small now. we have not only countries and everything in communication in close proximity. we have issues crossing and recrossing one with another. here we have a situation with ebola, a naturally occurring virus up against the question of will sigh sis or another organization use it as a biological weapon in a terror war. it's possible there are other things causing more damage. as we have seen from horrendous beheadings it doesn't take a lot of volume, people affected to cause terror and horror i among the general public watching this. possible but not likely. >> the u.s. plan. you know it well many terms of the way we have been reacting so far. what would be one lever you would pull if you were directing the response so far that's not been pulled yet. >> in terms of current cases.

we are unfortunately dependent on self-reporting for people coming out of or traveling through the western african nation where ebola is prevalent. i think we could step up the screening, step up what we are doing as people are disembarking from flights and however travel goes. paying more attention to that is one thing. we need to get our acts together in terms of the procedures and processes happening. there is a lot of confusion with the patient arriving in newark airport yesterday. >> yesterday. >> what should happen, who's in charge, changing directions. we need to get the protocols straight or no one will pay attention. >> he was not diagnose the nosed with ebola. thank you so much from the national center for disaster preparedness. great conversation as always. >> thank you. >> appreciate it. new information on the u.s. physician who contracted ebola in liberia and was treated in the u.s. last month.

he was admitted to a boston-area hospital this morning. a recurrence of ebola is unlikely. it is suspected to be pneumonia. >> there is no risk to the general public including our patients and caregivers, our medical center campuses are fully operational. we are conducting business as usual. >> now to something first reported by andrea mitchell on "meet the press" regarding ebola. the white house considering whether to deploy cdc personnel to airports across the united states that serve as international hubs to west africa. kristen welker now. how might this plan work from what you are hearing. >> good afternoon, richard. you're right. senior administration officials say the cdc is strongly considering deploy iing its

personnel or others. major flights connecting from west africa. the idea would be to create another line of defense. more screening. of course people are getting screened before they leave from that region. the idea is to screen them once they get here. so under this plan they would have to answer questions like have they come into contact with anyone who was is showing signs of being infected. do they feel okay? they might have to have their temperature takenment the idea is to create another line of defense in the wake of the first case that we are seeing here in the united states. when asked if the administration was considering a travel ban, senior administration officials continued to insist that they are not considering that. they believe it would hamper the response. 3600 u.s. forces are headed to the region to help set up hospitals and treatment centers because the goal, if you talk to folks here, is to really attack this at its source. go to west africa and cap the outbreak spreading so rapidly there.

so they say a travel ban would inhibit the ability to do that. that's the plan under consideration now by the cdc. we want to stress no final decision has been made. it's under strong consideration. richard? >> the president is planning to meet with officials tomorrow. do we know what the conversation might be? what they might be talking about? >> we know the president is going to get updated on the u.s. response. of course he'll get updated on the situation in texas. why that man was initially turned away. why it took 48 hours to contact the people he had come into contact with. in the wake of that, the administration, the cdc deployed personnel to the region to make sure there is a coordinated response going on there between state, local and federal officials. they have ramped up their efforts to make sure hospitals across the country understand the protocol. if someone comes into the hospital and is showing signs of having a temperature, not feeling well. if they have just come from west

africa that they would be screened. they would be held and monitored before being released. the administration says they are launching an education effort nationwide to make sure people know how they might contract the disease. it is very difficult to get if you know how to protect yourself. >> the late forest the white house. kristen welker this afternoon. thank you very much. >> thanks. >> up next, new air strikes against isis targets in iraq and syria. are they having an impact on the terror group. >> it's waiting for a press conference to begin near ferguson, missouri. they want the police officer who shot and killed their son last month behind bars. we are bringing you that event as soon as it begins. lieve i'm n and rich creamy cheese before my sister's wedding. well it's only 100 calories, so you'll be ready for that dress. uh-huh... you don't love the dress? i love my sister... 40 flavors. 100 calories or less.

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outside ferguson, missouri. the family of michael brown will soon hold a news conference. what they are trying to do is bring attention to the message they would like the arrest of police officer darren wilson. you can see the parents there of him at the moment. wilson, as you know was shot. wilson shot 18-year-old brown on august 9 in ferguson. again there are brown's parents. we'll bring the event to you as it happens. the u.s. military today carried out air strikes against isis. u.s. air plaens and helicopters attacked. u.s. command saying targets included vehicles and isis units. ayman mohyeldin based in the middle east is with us today. thanks, ayman. we have been say it back and forth in the past 24 hours we have a town you have been watching. we also have the other town of just north of baghdad. that's also seeing back and forth movement.

is this the expected stalemate we'll see despite the air strikes? >> you can expect this pattern to happen for the next several weeks. we were talking about this. here we are again saying that isis fighters seem to have made an advance or certainly besieged the town despite the fact they are being hit by the u.s. air force and other coalition partners. it is not enough to deter them and their ability to attack cities and besiege towns if they need to. i guess that's a point of concern for the u.s. military planners who will be watching and saying if this air force disrupted them how and why are they capable of carrying out attacks on town. >> we are watching the u.s. hostage. peterer kasig. his parents are coming out, pleading for his release. the concern is we saw the video released of the british hostage

being killed. what do you know about his condition is. >> it's difficult to know anything about his condition. from those of us who are with him i don't think any of us since then had a good account of what he may have been going through, enduring. over the course of the past several months, some of the hostages have been able to give us a count of what the captivity of oh these guys went through. unfortunately not all of them have been good. we know isis in some instances abused and tortured and according to one waterboarded the foreign hostages. >> as that's been happening there is a discussion here in the united states. that's about what muslims, not only in the middle east but here in the united states. a big debate. bill maher had a big discussion with ben affleck about that. the discussion is getting more energy now. >> absolutely.

the troubling thing is we are confusing a lot of issues, in particular in the u.s. uh. that can have a negative discourse in this country about muslims and muslim-americans. you know, the overwhelming majority of senior religious clerics, countries, have condemned what isis is doing. isis doesn't have institutional support across the middle east or the muslim world. when you start getting into the specific issues of problems across the muslim world it becomes dangerous when you equate the two. that's happening more in the u.s. we should be airful. >> i wish we had another 15 minutes to talk about the issues. great to have you here. >> thanks. >> in hong kong protesters appear to be congregating at the government headquarters. the social platform they are using to do thaex plained here by now this news. >> there is a rumor that the

network will be cut off by the government. the organizers recommend us to use this so communicate with people sending emergency cases. >> in hong kong we use the application to spread information and stay informed among people in the process. it can be used in many different countries. it's a tool used in this circumstance because of the technology which is disruptive. you get used to the pet odors in your couch. you think it smells fine, but your guests smell this. eliminate odors you've gone noseblind to with febreze fabric refresher. smells good. so you and your guests can breathe happy.

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nbc news national correspondent kate snow is at the nebraska hospital where he'll arrive tomorrow morning. >> reporter: inside the nebraska medical center his bed is ready and waiting complete with a friendly towel. the head of the bio containment unit said they learned from treating another american with ebola, dr. richard sakra. >> the encouraging thing is as we are learning about it as we go, we have all the special equipment that we can bring in here to deal with somebody in an isolation unit. the result hs the u.s. have been better than africa. >> reporter: nbc's dr. nancy snyderman spoke with him and said he's in great spirits. he's been eating and drinking on his own. as a freelance journalist he worked on this piece days ago. nbc news hired him tuesday to work with dr. nancy's team. thursday he tested positive for ebola. because they were near him dr. nancy and others on the nbc team

are taking their temperatures three to four times a day. they are all feeling fine but are under self quarantine to be safe. we spoke with dr. nancy by phone. >> my suspicion is he was infected before we met him and became symptomatic once we met him sprks he may have become infected helping liberians. >> he was helping folks spray down and disinfect a car. he wasn't wearing protective equipment. >> reporter: he wrote this, man, oh, man. i have seen some bad things in the last two weeks of my life. how unpredictable and fraught with danger life can be. poignant words considering what was to happen to him. his parents say he was committed. >> he wanted to go back and write about it and film about the impact that the ebola epidemic is having. decided to risk his health and see if he can make a difference. >> reporter: his father says the family will come to nebraska to

be with him, scheduled to land here sometime sunday night. meantime he's a 33-year-old robust, healthy young man. we are told doctors believe he has every chance of being able to fight off the deadly disease. back to you. >> kate snow in omaha. now to maggie fox, senior writer for nbc news.com. dr. thomas frieden, the cdc director speaking about the handling of ebola in the united states and about the treatment of ebola. we're going to get reaction. >> some patients received an experimental treatment known as z-map. that's three specific anti-bodi anti-bodies. there were three doses and my understanding is they are gone. it takes a long time to make more. it won't be available any time soon. >> not any time soon here. how do we know about z-map or

other treatments. what might be out there. >> there are several drugs in the works. z-map, one by a canadian company. there are other drugs, some made by companies that make drugs. they all take different approaches to fighting the virus. they are all highly experimen l experimental. nobody knows if they can help the patients or if they make the patients worse. we know that dr. brantly got doses of z-map. even the doctors who treated him say they are not sure if it made him better. the only way to tell is if the companies can manufacture enough doses of various medicines so they can be tried in large groups of people and compared to what happens if you give them good care. a lot of doctors in the field the in africa are finding if people get good supportive care, sigh lean solution, oxygen, fever reducers, antibiotics.

if they have a secondary infection that they are doing well. there are some theories that this is a cholera-like illness killing people. replacing what are called electrolytes which are the minerals like calcium or magnesium in the body. if that's done properly, patients do much better that way. >> symptom care. we have been watching the contact number rise quickly and fall. i was talking earlier. this is the numbers familiar w. october 1, it was 18. shot up to a hundred people. you wrote extensively on contacts. what is a contact? what are they looking at here? >> it's a fuzzy word. you may have been with or near or touching a patient. as the cdc says the numbers rise and fall as they interview people and find out maybe you rode in the same car with somebody or you weren't near them. maybe you walked in the apartment where they were.

you never touched them. a contact could be someone who had close, intimate contact. for instance somebody who slept in the same bed. it's a broad word. they want to find people have a risk of having contracted the virus from the patient when he was symptomatic. as we are hearing, you can only catch ebola from somebody who is actively sick, showing symptoms. so you have to have been close enough long enough to have a bodily fluid from the patient touch you and get inside your body. >> maggie fox for nbc news.com. thank you. >> my pleasure. >> developing news from hong kong. we are just hours from a deadline set by the hong kong government for protesters to scale back protests. live pictures now. thousands of pro democracy protesters. it's about 3:30 in the morning there on a monday. they are demanding the right to elect hong kong's leader in

2017. the activists appear to be divided as a deadline approaches. some agreed to remove barriers blocking certain roads while others refuse to budge. the government said it would do what's necessary to ensure people have full access to their offices monday morning n. a matter of hours the sun will rise. we'll see what the government does there. a press conference with michael brown's family is about to get under way. they are calling for the arrest of the ferguson police officer who shot and killed their son last month. we'll bring that to you live when it begins. stay with us. they get from ala, they think salmon and energy. but the energy bp produces up here creates something else as well: jobs all over america. engineering and innovation jobs. advanced safety systems & technology. shipping and manufacturing. across the united states, bp supports more than a quarter million jobs. when we set up operation in one part of the country, people in other parts go to work. that's not a coincidence.

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both spending time in iowa this weekend supporting gop candidates. of course any stop in iowa is also bound to raise speculation about potential presidential runs. secretary of state hillary clinton expected to hit the trail in the coming weeks in a midterm blitz. politico saying it got the clinton itinerary which has her stumping in iowa and new hampshire. the term protector in chief has been heard before to describe the president. with the two emerging public health emergencies, ebola and enterovirus and with isis in hong kong, americans could be depending on the president more than before. dan fiefr told meet the press the president is keeping on top of the situation. it's important to understand that this has been happening for seven months in west africa. this is the first time someone

has come to the united states. we're prepared for this. we will evaluate. the president is focused on this. >> you may do more? >> we will make sure everything is working. if we see there are flaws in the system, where things don't work, we will address those. >> let's bring in msnbc political analyst and daily beast columnist and the author of "the center holds, obama and his enemies." great to see you. >> and you, richard. protector in chief. is that what the american people want now? >> yeah. the first job of the president of the united states is always to keep us safe. that's what people most want in a president. that's what they want first. so i think for all of his low -- historically low poll ratings now on this particular issue, the ebola virus. i don't think people are giving him bad marks. any republican who goes after him on this, i think is playing with fire. >> there are many. >> it's an indication usually that they are running for president. it's a litmus test already if you politicize ebola. it means you are running for

president. i think there are real risks in doing that. because most americans like to see this kind of public health emergency handled on a nonpartisan basis. >> do you believe when you have looked at what the administration has done and we have been listening to the cdc i today as well. has that aura of protector in chief been put out there successfully within the last couple of weeks? >> it's not clear that it has. you know, to really conclude that you would need to see a bump-up for the president in the polls. we might see that over the next few days. but he is -- you know, there is a difference between what people think he's doing and what he's actually doing. a lot of it is out of public view. if you talked to people in the administration and those in the public health community they feel the united states government is acting appropriately in this matter and that anybody taking shots at

them is doing it for political reasons. >> you talked about the down side for going after the president politically on this issue of ebola or enterovirus, should they lump them together. we just saw some examples as we were leading into the discussion now. 2016 contenders, possibilities here. rand paul, ted cruz, paul ryan, louisiana gov nar bobby jindal all calling for tough action on ebola. reines prooens appears to be today. changing the subject going after the president on ebola as well. what's the upside that they might be seeing? >> they are trying to go after him. it's unlikely that it would come to the united states. now we have one person in this country now. it's been confirmed for having the ebola virus. they will go after him wherever they can. the best way to understand why now it's unmerited, unwarranteded to do this is to look at those not running for

president are saying. john cornan. ted cruz is trashing the president on this. he's running for president. john cornan is not trashing the president. not running for president. it's not a coincidence that the republicans being more supportive on this are not running for president which puts this all in political context and i don't think the american people want to see. >> i know you like the noodle. how would you summarize the past week with all of this going on. what needs to happen last week. >> to think about the situations whether it's the ebola virus, a very dicey situation in hong kong. of course we have ukraine, isis. these are all fluid. they are all dependent off and on on breaking news, changing circumstances.

and the way we judge our presidents is how they respond, how they get ahead of the stories. the president had some challenges in that area in the last couple of years since he was re-elected. if you did a score card, i think on most of the issues, he's stacking up pretty well and eventually public opinion will represent that. >> thank you so much, msnbc little bitle call analyst jonathan alter. an update on new developments in the ebola outbreak. the cdc saying it found a homeless man who possibly came into contact with thomas dune cab can, the man treated in dallas, the first ebola case in the u.s. health officials say the man is at a low risk for contracting ebola. showed no fever on saturday when tested but needed to continue to monitor him along the way. duncan is in critical condition. next hour, the nbc news freelance camera man with the disease will be on his way to the u.s. he will leave west africa for

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as you know we were waiting for this press conference. this is from moments ago at the flood christian church right outside ferguson, missouri. the father of michael brown was there. he did not want to speak but the lawyer and the pastor were there. they had a very clear message. the individual, the police officer, darren wilson, who shot and killed unarmed teen michael brown on august 9th, that he should be arrested immediately. they would like him to come on out and be arrested. that was their demand. this event which is organized by the national action network led by reverend al sharpton, host of "politics nation" on msnbc happened just moments ago. as you see here this was some of the events that happened in the

last 30 minutes. we reached out to the ferguson police department and the office of the st. louis county prosecutor for the reaction to michael brown's family's plea for darren wilson's arrest. we have not heard back. a grand jury is investigating the shooting. following the story was, usa today national reporter yamish alcndar. she's been covering the story since august. good to have uh you here. when you look at what we heard today, and it's been almost two months coming up this week since the death of michael brown, why do you think the father, his lawyer and the pastor are out there demanding again for the arrest of the officer? >> i think it comes down to a sense of frustration. i have been here for a couple of days now. people are just frustrated. the fact that the grand jury was -- at least the early estimate was they would be done in october. that's been pushed now to mid

november. i think people are just at their end. i think this family is really frustrated. i talked to the family of michael brown, a cousin who said the mother and father or every day is a struggle for them. they really want the killer of their son to see justice. they want the killer of their son to be arrested and processed. i think the family is pleading for some kind of movement. they haven't seen any move lt. >> you and i were down there earlier during the protests in the beginning. you are still there now as you were saying the last several days. how are the protests different today? 13 p people were arrested thursday, for instance. >> it's a lot smaller now. that's the main difference. there aren't as many people here when me and you were here there were thousands of people here. there was a lot of clashing, violence. . now when you drive-thru ferguson, when i drove through it's really quiet. people are consistently protesting. i think that's something that

hasn'ten changed. as a reporter that's key. there are smaller people still asking for the exact same thing. they are asking for darren wilson to be arrested, indicted and charged with murder. that's something and they refused to be quieted. that's something important here. while the protests are smaller, they are just as passionate and people are just as angry. >> just within the last week it might be why you are back there. a lot of developments. for instance there was a figure that came out late in the week. 3,000 individuals registered aaron ferguson to vote. that was a headline. and how individuals took the protest in the street, if you will, to the ballot box. >> i think that's key. i talked to the director of elections who talked about the idea that 3,287 people were registered to vote. she told me only 4800 people in st. louis county had registered to vote since the shooting of michael brown. that's a huge chunk of the vote

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searching n that same interview, tiffany frein urged her brother to turn himself into authorities. last week, authorities saying they found a stash of food at one of his camp sites in the woods. they say he appears to be on survival mode, cans of tuna and ramen noodles in terms of what he is eating. bring in nbc analyst and former fbi profiler, clint van sant and ran the analytical team that identified the unabomber. thanks for joining us. where are we at in the search nor eric frein? >> well, no be's giving up on this search. you know, when you kill a police officer, that's one of the huge taboos in society, when you kill anybody it's tab books but this is even worse in this situation much the search goes on. the pennsylvania state place, realizing there's 200 fbi acts also involved in the search, u.s. marshals, dea, other federal, state, local agencies, they are going through these woods and richard, they think

they have him pinned down in about a gave-mile square area, you go out in the woods, you know, 100 yards seems a pretty big area, much less five miles, so the challenge still goes on, but they are not leaving. >> okay. so you're head of this investigation, we put you in that position very often as you help us through this. i -- is he desperate, that is one of the headlines coming from last week, seems to be a little bit scattered at the moment. >> well, he has given up some weapons, some ammunition. we found food supplies, we found explosive devices that he's left behind but realize, i would suggest, richard, this guy has probably planned for this maybe one, maybe two years. you look at somebody like eric rudolph, the olympic park bomber, this was a guy who was on the run for five years, hiding out in a similar type environment and then you consider christopher dorner, the former lapd officer last year who killed three police officers

and another person, he was on the run for two weeks in a remote area. the difference between those two, one had planned it, one was an outdoorsman, the other was simply on the run. this guy that they are looking for right now, he has planned this for multiple years. he's probably got food, weapons, ammunition stashed. when his sister says i think he has fled the area, i think she may say that for two reasons, number one, she hopes this community can return to normality again, because obviously, everybody holds her entire family responsible for what's going on. number two she may want to see her brother escape and get away. in a situation like this, the authorities have got their hands full trying to take him alive because this is somebody in a situation like this, richard, many times does not want to be taken alive. >> so, if he planned here, clint, for two years, one to two years is what you're surmising, are they gonna catch him and will he attack again?

>> he's had the chance to attack again, which is interesting. i have heard pennsylvania authorities refer to this cat and mouse game he is playing. you know, he got rid of this ak-47 lookalike type gun he had but believe he has this 308 scoped rifle. if he has that, that would give him the ability to really lay off a significant distance and still shoot at some of those that are after him. of course, he could hit a police officer and fbi agent and give up his position, too. so i think law enforcement feels an obligation, this he have to keep press the chase, realizing it's turning fall, the leaves are gonna start dropping off trees, his ability to find cover is going to be harder. it's going to get cold. the nights are going to be more challenging for him to survive, but there's also hunters trying to get into those woods, too, so law enforcement has got their hands full with people coming behind them who are simply

hunters and a guy in front of them who's a known cop killer. >> clint van zandt, thank you so much, the latest there on eric frein. off good weekend, my friend. that's our show. thanks for watching this sunday afternoon. we will be back next saturday at 2 p.m. eastern. we will see you then. qo :é @d888888@888jj

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