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where four men have been arrested. the men all in their 20s and they were detained to islamist related terrorism. the world is on edge and the advance of isis and the u.s. continue to lead a coalition against them. what will it take to degrade and destroy isis? are they up to the task? were mistakes made? i'm joined by leon panetta and director of the cia and his book, worthy fights just released today is critical of the president's mideast policy and withdrawal of forces from iraq which panetta believes allowed isis to grow to the enemy we are seeing today. welcome, mr. secretary. good to see you. let's pick up on that. the withdrawal from iraq, should we have left troops behind? >> i think we would be in a much better position if we had left a presence in iraq of approximately 8,000 to 10,000.

we developed a plan to do that and the president supported that. the problem we ran into is a that kept rejecting developing the sofa agreement and the status of forces agreement that we needed. i think we had the leverage based on the aid we were providing and based on the fact that we were providing f 16s to them in the future. we had the leverage to push them to accept an agreement to allow us to maintain troops. >> you write, it could become a new haven for terrorists to plot attacks against the united states. iraq's stability is not only in iraq's interest, but ours. you personally warned the president he should leave the troops behind? did he work hard enough for this? >> i had a concern that we had sacrificed a lot in terms of the battle in iraq that we lot of a

lot of lives and our troops put up good fights. we had developed a good security force for the iraqis. we developed a good intelligence operation that was focused ongoing after al qaeda. we put that country at least in the right direction. they had a chance to succeed. in order for that success to take place, we needed to be there and have people on the ground and needed to have troops on the ground to make sure that people pushed them in the right direction in terms of security. they use that for maliki to not create the disruption he did when he went after them in the government and security force and boy doing that created the breeding ground that created isis. >> would the white house debate be political in the promise to end the war and bring the troops home. was he more concerned or his

aides more concerned about living up to that commitment? >> i think the sense was that we were drawing down, president bush had created the drawdown program that we were implementing and that we were bringing the iraqi war to an end. the real question was, do we maintain a presence and make sure this goes in the right direction or do we pull back? with maliki objecting, i think the general sense in the white house was that we cannot want this more than maliki. this was his country and his security force. surely if he didn't want it, why should we push him? my view was we should push him because frankly that was the only way to try to help guarantee that we would try to keep moving in the right direction. >> the president withdrew the troops and we saw what happened. yet he then seemed to be blaming

the intelligence and said they under estimated the growth of isis. was it intelligence failure or was the white house not listening. >> you can use better intelligence. what happened here was a combination of intelligence plus policy decisions that fed into what we have now in isis. the failure to maintain troops and the failure frankly of even the other arab countries to try to provide the support system because they too rejected maliki in many ways and didn't provide the support system they needed to do. add all of that together with the chaos in syria that was developing there and you had a greeding ground for chaos and terrorism. >> last january the black flags were raised over falosia where we lot of so many troops.

that had to be a wake up call. >> when falosia fell, a town where we had gone to war to get the town back under iraqi control and lot of a lot of lives as a result. once to losia fell, we were dealing with an operation that was conducting a war on the ground that effectively was gaping territory and it was only a matter of time that if they could take to lose why, they shouldn't be able to take baghdad. it should have been a big wake up call. >> you and hillary both argued that we should arm the syrian rebels two years ago. the president decided not to. was that political? >> again, i think our view was

it was important in the chaos of syria if you have 100 different elements that are part of the opposition and we made the commitment that assad should come down. we then had an obligation to work with the rebel forces to develop the moderate forces to support the forces in order to make sure that we could establish some kind of group to do the right thing and the only way to do that is providing arms to the right group. it was the right thing to do at that point. i think the president was concerned the weapons might wind up to be fair to him and concerned they would wind up in the wrong hands. the president now made the decision to arm and train those forces. it is the right decision today. it was the right decision then. >> if we made that decision then, would isis be able to grow as it did?

>> we would be in a better position to have in the rebel operation a group that we would have worked with and helped arm and frankly what it would have done is given us better eyes on the ground to see what was happening with regards to al qaeda and isis. we didn't have that. >> let's talk about red lines. it was a red line against assad and chemical weapons. you write when the president president draws a red line that is critical if he acts if the line is crossed. he didn't. a year ago. he didn't launch the air strikes. mistake. >> i really believe when you are commander in chief of the united states of america that when you lay down a red line, when you put our word on the line that if they use chemical weapons that we will take action. they use chemical weapons and

there innocent men, women, and children who are killed as a result of that. everybody confirmed that was the case. when that happens, we have an obligation and the president has an obligation to take action. it's not just syria, it's the rest of the world is watching whether or not the united states will stand by its word. i think it is important to send the right message to the world that when the united states says we are going to do something, we do it. >> ground troops. was the president wrong to rule out ground troops and can we fight isis without ground troops? >> everybody understands, we are not going to send an invasion force. >> american boots will have to be on the ground. >> i think what the president is saying, we are not going to send 150,000 troops into iraq. i understand. we are not going to send the 101st airborne into iraq or syria. i understand that.

the fact is we have boots on the ground. we need boots on the ground not only to embed and train, but you need to have the boots on the ground in order to assist in identifying the targets that we will have to identify if the air strikes will be effective. >> you have said also that when it comes to an imminent threat, the commander in chief has flexibility to do whatever is necessary and that includes waterboarding which is torture. >> i believe that the president made the right decision with regards to the use of these enhanced interrogation techniques. i do feel -- >> you mean ending them. >> right. i do feel -- they defensible if there is a threat? >> i think the president of the united states as i testified and i believed, if we faced imminent threat, the president has the responsibility as president of the united states under the articles of the constitution to

be able to do whatever is necessary to get the information to protect this country. he has that authority, but like the president, i think we as a country have to establish values in the world that represent the best in us and i think the techniques should not have been used because there were other ways to get the information we needed to protect this country. >> take a break with us for a moment. coming up, much more from leon panetta, the secret service scandal and the president's leadership style and his former cabinet member. this is andrea mitchell reports only on msnbc. ike asking if they want a big hat... ...'scuse me... ...or a big steak... ...or big hair... i think we have our answer.

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director of the cia. chief of staff for bill clinton discussing his new book, worthy fights. you were chief of staff. who has gone wrong with the secret service? >> one of the things i learned in washington is that you cannot just sit back and take things for granted. you have to constant low be on top of things and supervise and you have to constantly test people to make sure they are at the top of their game. that's true for the secret service. there was something called second term blues in every administration where you get into the second term whether you are operating in a department or the secret service, you begin to take things for granted and you can't allow that to happen. that's what's happening here. they started to get lazy and stand back and they are not the at the top of their game. that's dangerous for the first family and the president and they have got to get somebody on

top of them who is making sure that every day they are testing their capability to be able to protect the president. >> what about the second's second term? you write about president obama. he relies on the law professor rather than the passion of the leader. >> he is passionate and able and he wants to do the right thing for the country. he approaches things like a law professor in presenting a logic of his position. there is nothing wrong with that. we want to have a president who thinks through the issues. my experience in washington is that logic alone doesn't work. once you lay out a position you are going to roll up your sleeves and you have to fight to get it done. that is key in washington. in order for presidents to succeed, they cannot just --

when they run into problems, step back and give up. there is a feeling and i have a feeling that the leadership and the president have given up on the big issues facing this country whether it's immigration or a budget deal or infrastructure funding or trade or energy. there is a sense that you can't deal with that. this country needs that. they can't give up. >> you worked with both hillary clinton and joe biden over the years. who is better qualified to be the democratic nominee? >> i have worked both of them. >> what would be a better commander in chief some. >> it's tough to say joe biden couldn't do that job. he has a lot of experience, particularly as vice president. hillary clinton i know can do the job. somebody has experience and the

toughness. hillary clinton is somebody who could be a strong president. >> benghazi. you wrote in the book that you disagreed with david petraeus and told the situation room he thought it was a spontaneous demonstration outside the consulate that night. why did you disagree. what didn't ring true about that? >> i didn't have any specific information, but the fact was that when you bring grenade launchers to a demonstration, something else is going on. from the very beginning i sensed that this was an attack, a terrorist attack on the compound. i remember saying look, based on the bep ones i see and the nature of the attack, i think this was a terrorist attack. he said look, the information we are getting from intelligence

sources is that it really was a demonstration. i said you know, david, i don't see it that way. i think we are dealing with what in effect, we area i group of terrorists who took advantage of the situation in order to go after the people. >> this is what they have to say. bob gets. >> i'm finding that former administration official writes books. at least give the guy a chance to get out of office. >> your response to that? >> i'm a believer that you don't put history on hold. the reality is you speeblg to what you believe history is all about and the american people will be able to make the judgment as to what is right or

wrong. the reality is i want this president to succeed. i also want this president to learn the mistakes from the past. learn the lessons from the past. frankly he is beginning to do that in terms of how he is approaching isis and locating troops in afghanistan. 10,000 troops and conducting the air attacks that have to be done and he is beginning to learn the lessons. no reason why we shouldn't talk about the mistakes that are made in order to make sure we never do that again. >> perhaps harry trueman saidtr best. who is your best friend? >> my dog bravo would a dump me back to washington and i would bring him to work with me. particularly at the cia. he sat in on most of the briefings regarding bin laden and i said to this day, he never leaked a word from those hearings.

>> do you identify with saul barronson on homeland? >> i have to tell you the truth. my wife and i are into downton abby and that's what we watch. >> a different century. thank you very much, leon panetta. the book is worthy fights and it's a pleasure to see you. >> thank you, nice to be here. >> in an effort to keep ebola out of the u.s., the white house tightened screening of arriving passengers. you are watching msnbc. mall make an impact on something as big as your retirement? i don't think so. well if you start putting that towards your retirement every week and let it grow over time, for twenty to thirty years, that retirement challenge might not seem so big after all. ♪

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i have worked with both of them and they are both good people. >> who would be a better commander in chief. >> it's tough for me to say that joe biden couldn't do that job because frankly he has a lot of experience, particularly as vice president. hillary clinton i know could do the job because she has experience and the toughness of mind and commitment to this country that i think is important. they both could do the job as president. i think hillary clinton because she is out there is somebody that i think could be a very strong president. >> that's only part of that wide ranging interview earlier in the hour. joining me now for the daily fix, msnbc contributor and managing editor of post politics.com and susan paige. you interviewed leon panetta for

"usa today" and it's clear what he thinks in terms of what should be the democratic nominee and president if democrats have their way. >> absolutely. he is a strong supporter of hillary clinton and in the interview i did, he used words that contrasted with the words he was using about barack obama. he said with both clintons, they are about getting it done and not just having a promise, but implementing it. that was in contrast to the picture he painted of president obama's leadership in your interview a few minutes ago. >> chris, it's very clear in the questions that we asked him about isis and intelligence, the president seemed to be blaming the intelligence community. let's listen to that. >> he said that they under estimated the growth of isis. was it intelligence or was the white house not listening? >> it's a cia director.

you always can use better intelligence, but what happened here was a combination of intelligence and policy decisions that get into what we have now in isis. >> policy decisions meaning the white house? >> right. i thought it was fascinating that on several topics, iraq, isis and syria, you asked was this a decision that in your mind leon panetta was driven by politics? both times you asked him that directly, he didn't answer that question. i think he probably thinks that in part it was and the critique he levels or subtly levels in the book, i can't imagine the obama administration himself will be happy about it. i thought when he said that president obama thinks first and approaches things like a law school professor and doesn't really understand you have to

rally support, that's how things work in washington. if you wanted to sum up the critique of establishment democratsed which aring people in the house of senate of barack obama's presidency, that's a good one-sentence summation. >> you covered obama and clinton and panetta for a long time. one of the things that leon panetta writes is that obama o voids, complains and missing opportunities. he talked about missing opportunities on immigration and energy and critical issues both congress and the white house. >> one thing about leon panetta is his experience. i first intrude him as a house budget chairman which was quite sometime ago. he is concerned that the leadership too and also the president are failing to tackle issues that are critical like entitlement spending and immigration reform and like standing up to this incredible new threat from isis and other

terrorists in that part of the world. this is really a call for action here in this is book. some is critical for president obama, but he is also saying there two years left. jump into the ring and let's make progress on the fronts. >> that are is part of his defense against joe biden's criticism, saying there is still time and they can accomplish things. >> that's right. look, i think that president obama is i think very jaded as it relates to dealing with this congress. you can make an argument who we all know in the "wall street journal" made a compelling argument that republicans taking control of the senate wouldn't be the worst thing for barack obama. it would be unified control and the republicans would have to come to the table for his last years. i don't know if that's right. jerry makes a convincing argue am, but barack obama is really, really cynical about house and

senate republicans and their motives and i don't know -- yes, it sounds good that jumping in the arena and rolling up your sleeves and getting it done sounds good. we have not seen anything even close to that play out either on president obama's side or congressional republican side. i don't know if the final two years of the administration, where you will see it. >> chris alyssa and susan paige, thank you both so much. speaking of the senate which is of course in play if you are a democratic senator running in a red state, who do you call? bill clinton making one of many visits to give struggling senator mark pryor a selfie and a boost in the home stretch. >> i love my native state. without you i never would have had a chance to do anything. and i didn't come back to the briar patch. i came back to the future.

the future of arkansas and the future of america. that's what you represent. >> you gotta love it. casey hunt is live in fayetteville, arkansas where president clinton's first stop is today. casey, i spent years in middle rock and arkansas recovering him in 91 and 92 and then again as he kept returning during his presidency. he loves being there and he is not only the most popular politician around right now, but in arkansas, there is no touching him. >> across the country. if you are mark pryor and struggling to hold on to this seat from the republican, bill clinton is one of the few people you can rely on to bring the votes in. the question is whether or not his name will be enough in a state that changed since he was governor and then since they sent him on to the white house. this is a state that was for a long time solidly democratic.

his opponents voted for president clinton and the congressional delegation is republican. mark pryor is the last democrat standing. the slogan is arkansas first. they are not mentioning that this is a democratic event. clearly they are trying to distance themselves from the national party. >> you had a conversation with mark pryor running against tom cotton. it was awkward. let's play it. >> do you think that the obama administration has done an appropriate job handling the ebola crisis? >> um, i would say that it's hard to know because i haven't heard the latest briefing on that. i read the paper and all. >> how long did he pause? >> i think it was close to 10 seconds or so. i asked him the question and i

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>> which political story will make news in the next 24 hours. chris, our pal. chuck todd will be monitoring the big virginia debate. former republican national chairman and bush white house adviser. that will be a tough debate in virginia. >> it will be and there is a lot to talk about. the good thing about virginia is

that living in virginia and the d.c. media market, i get to see a lot of the ads. the lobbyist for enron and ed is bashing mark warner as a tool of president obama. both of these people are very experienced politicians. mark warner first ran for office in 1996 and in and around politics for a long time. i don't think either of them will shy away from making the points in person. still mark warner raised very much to lose. mark gilespie are raised money and has done the:o we thought he might do. ed warner may not win as big as in past years because of the overall mood, but he is quite clearly favored to win. >> and a former governor of virginia. >> and a popular u.s. senator to the extent any senator is popular these days.

>> one issue could be gay marriage. they came out&tlñ quickly aftery declined to rule and people could get wedding licenses as early as 1:00 yesterday. >> with the exception of ted cruise, you saw almost no comment off of the supreme court's ruling and not to take up the challenges. that's telling. i have written about this many times and i wrote about this yesterday. politically speaking this fight is over with. you have a majority of americans supporting gay marriage. that includes every generation getting more supportive as they age. not just young people. every generation including those 65 and older are more supportive today than 30 years ago. that's where the trend line is moving. >> finally, have you done anything to bring good luck to our nats who are in a critical

must win game tonight? >> i prepped super expectative producer michelle pero this. earlier today, iate a banana and mayonnaise sandwich. >> that is disgusting. >>it hate mayonnaise. that is the superstitious lucky sandwich that the nationals have been eating. our sports blogger asked if i would do it and diit on camera. >> what kind of brad. >> it didn't matter. i was focused on choking down the banana and mayonnaise. don't do it. >> i won't. although i love my nats. go nats. >> go nats. >> that are does it for this edition of andrea mitchell reports. we will talk to "hardball's" chris matthews and director michael leiter on facebook and

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