expect an all out travel ban. the white house believes it's a bad idea but is ordering increased screenings on some flights that land here in the u.s. >> i consider this a top national security priority. we don't have a lot of margin for error. we're also going to be working on protocols to do additional passenger screening, both at the source and here in the united states. >> the cdc, who again we are about to hear from, has already insisted banning flights outright could actually backfire and exacerbate this crisis. >> there have been calls to shut off all flights. this would be very damaging to the countries. it would be very damaging to the ability to get help in, for people to be willing to go and to get out. if we make it harder to fight the outbreak in west africa, we actually increase our own risks. >> we start in dallas with nbc sarah doloff. as we wait for the cdc director, what is the latest on duncan's condition? >> reporter: well, the latest on

his condition, krystal, is that he remains in critical but stable condition. he is still on a ventilator. he is still on a dialysis machine. although we are told his liver function has improved somewhat. doctors are cautioning that's going to vary over the coming days. we now know he's being treated with brincidofovir, a drug for use with other viruses but showed promise in laboratory tests, including one done with duncan's blood. it is a pill given twice a day. his family is now inside the hospital along with reverend jesse jackson. they are meeting with doctors to get more details on his condition. we don't know yet if they will be able to actually see him. we're expecting a press conference from them very shortly. meanwhile, officials continue to monitor the 48 people who had some type of contact with duncan, including the ten who had direct contact. now, most people develop symptoms of ebola eight to ten days after exposure. today is day nine, making today and tomorrow very critical.

>> sarah, we have to go right now to the cdc where they're having the press conference. >> good morning. good afternoon. today is one week since the first patient with ebola in the united states was diagnosed. and one week into a situation people begin to look back and begin to think about it, think about what went right, what went wrong, what are the implications for the future. i think we have to keep a couple of things in mind. the first is that globally, this is going to be a long, hard fight. second is that we can never forget that the enemy here is a virus. the enemy is ebola. not people, not countries, not communities. a virus. and it's a virus that doesn't spread through the air and that we do know how to control. we do know how to stop it, by isolating patients, doing contract tracing and breaking the chains of transmission.

now, i can say one week in there are real signs of progress. not only in dallas, but also around the world. and i'll go a few -- i'll go through a few of them. in dallas, there are ten definite and 38 possible contacts being monitored. each and every one of them is having their temperature monitoring. as of today, none of them are sick. none of them has a fever. we'll continue to watch that very closely in the coming days. and dr. laky, judge jenkins and their teams at state and local level in dallas are doing a terrific job dealing with what is really an unprecedented situation. in parts of west africa we're beginning to see some signs of progress as well. now, we've been talking about west africa, but the fact is, these are three different countries and they have three different patterns of disease.

even within each country there are different patterns of disease. so, in liberia there are 15 districts or counties. in those different districts there are different patterns of disease. in some they have had very few cases of ebola. in others, they're just beginning to have a big increase in cases. and i'll mention one particular district, which is in a remote rural area, the capital city is known as lofa, and in that district, that was the forested district that is bordering both sierra leone and guinea. that three-country border district has been the epicenter of the outbreak. that district, that area, has had at times the most cases in all of liberia, but over the past few weeks, cases have plummeted. now, we're not sure of all of the reasons, but part of it is that there were enough isolation beds in those facilities.

excuse me. and also that in those facilities, in that district, burial practices were being addressed and improved. now, we don't know that that decrease is going to be maintained because weaver seen waves of diseases before. but we do think that at least in that one community, it's real. so even in west africa, even in a place that was the heart of the outbreak, we're seeing signs of progress. and though it hasn't been in the headlines, the outbreak in drc is still contained. the number of cases is relatively small. it has not spread beyond a remote rural area. it's the traditional ebola outbreak we've seen in the past and it looks like it's well on its way to being contained in a country that's dealt with ebola in the past. one or sign of progress that hasn't been in the papers recently, or until now, is a

single case in uganda of a disease called -- caused by the marberg virus. now, it's a lot like ebola, except it didn't have a movie made about it. marberg has a similar case fatality, spread about the same way and controlled in the same way. one individual in uganda died from marberg. their cause of death was not immediately identified but we've done important work in uganda to help the ugandans better have a laboratory network so they can find cases, have a responsibility network with disease detectives and people who can follow up. and have an emergency operation center to track individual cases. and as a result, they've identified contacts. those contacts include an individual who was the embalmer, who then went back to kenya. that person was traced and tracked to kenya. was tested. at this point does not have

marberg and the contacts within that person's family in uganda and so far there have not been additional cases. i mention this because oftentimes in public health what gets noticed is what happens. it's hard to see what doesn't happen. if we stop the outbreak in rural drc and prevent an outbreak in uganda, that may not be headlines but that tells us there is progress and gives us confidence we will be able to control ebola in west africa. now, there's a lot we're doing based on what we've learned in the past week. for example, we have hospital awareness efforts. we already work regularly with hospital associations. we have an intensive involvement on infection control, technical support and other issues. and our callskk%bñ from doctors[ increased ten-fold since the first case was diagnosed. so, there's a lot of awareness and we're working to increase that even further. we're also working very closely with health departments.

city, big city, state and health department associations, dr. laky and his colleagues in dallas are an example of an excellent functioning health department. we to want make sure any lessons we learn in dallas are rapidly incorporated into health departments around the country. i know that people are eager for more information about travel. and i want to address that for a couple of minutes before concluding and turning it over to dr. laky and then to questions. as the president said yesterday, we're looking hard at what we can do to further increase the safety of americans and in the coming days we will announce further measures that will be taken. right now i can give you some basic principles. we want to ensure, and we will always ensure that the health of americans is our top priority. we want to ensure anything we do works and is workable.

we recognize that whatever we do until the disease is controlled in africa, we can't get the risk to zero here. we may be able to reduce it. we will look at every opportunity to do that. we also don't to want do anything in medicine that will backfire. in medicine one of our cardinal rules is, above all, do not harm. if we do something that impedes our ability to stop the outbreak in west africa, it could spread further there. we could have more countries like liberia and the challenge would be much greater and go on for a much longer period of time. we know how to stop ebola. that's what's happening in dallas today. that's what's beginning to occur in parts of west africa. the signs of progress are there but it is going to be a long, hard fight. and i think we should always keep in mind that the enemy here is a virus. and we together can stop that virus.

now, i'd like to turn it over to dr. david lakey, commissioner for -- >> you have been watching an update from tom frieden, cdc director. let's head to omaha where ashoka mukpo is being treated. john yang joins us. >> reporter: he's going to be give getting brincidofovir, the same drug in dallas. there was a consultation with both the fda, the cdc and the drug manufacturers to try to decide which of the drugs that have been used with the ebola victims -- people with ebola in the united states that went through and to assess his current condition to see what drug would be the best option, because each drug has a different reaction in different cases. they say they are going to be looking at how he responds to this drug. they're keeping other options in

mind. this is, as sarah noted before, an antiviral drug that has other uses but has shown promise in clinical trials and in other trials with ebola. so, they think this is the best option to have right now. i can tell you my colleague, kate snow, spoke doctors who are treating mukpo just a little bit ago. they say he is very tired. he's losing a lot of fluids through vomiting and diarrhea. they're trying to -- they are obviously giving him as much fluids as they can to keep him rehydrated. that's crucial that he is here because that's something they can't do in liberia. they can't do sort of -- to be able to calibrate the fluids that they give patients. so, that's one key reason they wanted to get him here as quickly as possible. one reason why they're fairly confident about his prognosis,

is that they were able to get him here early before his symptoms got worse, which they apparently are. back to you. >> john yang, thank you so much for that update from omaha. let's turn to the white house and nbc's chris jansing. chris, you have people demanding that the flights are banned from parts of africa. here is what the cdc is saying about that. they say, banning flights makes it harder to get help. the disease spreads more within these countries. it spreads to other parts of africa. and within a few minutes we're dealing with outbreaks in many parts of africa, so basically, chris, let's stop asking this question. it's not going to help. and it's not going to happen. >> and there is a lot of pushback from the white house. they had a big meeting in the roosevelt yesterday. top white house officials, top public health officials, department of defense, and of course the president was there. they have to be able to get both people and supplies in there. it's not that they don't have great hospitals in these countries. jdtqi rp+e no public he

infrastructure at all. there has been absolutely no treatment. they're basically building a health infrastructure from scratch. so, while there are economic reasons they don't want to do that and other reasons, the main is, that they want to keep this isolated. they want to reduce the number of cases there and keep it contained. >> chris, it's also somewhat immoral to say that part of the world has a problem. let's just close our eyes and close our nose and just shut them off and then it won't be a problem for us. in a globalized world we've seen the problem will come to us. we have to do more than just shut our eyes to the problem. >> reporter: it's a morality problem and also a practical sense here. it's come to spain now. europe is very concerned. we have a case here in the united states. there is a real reason to contain this. you know, a travel ban is not only not going to help that situation. how do you say to people, yes, go over there. we know what the protocols will be to keep yourself safe, but it

is still a dangerous situation. go over there and many americans have, but we can't tell you if you can get back or when you'll be able to get back. so, the white house has said, that's not even on the table for them. >> such a great point. chris jansing at the white house. john yang in omaha, sarah doloff in dallas. thank you for your coverage. straight ahead, one of the biggest names in u.s. defense policy. defense's view on the obama white house right here on msnbc. what leon panetta told our own andrea mitchell. a new plea this afternoon from the fbi. fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more on car insurance. everybody knows that. well, did you know certain cartoon characters should never have an energy drink? action! blah-becht-blah- blublublub-blah!!! geico®. introducing the birds of america collection. fifty stunning, hand-painted plates, commemorating the state birds of our proud nation.

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more breaking news now. dramatic new developments in afternoon in the fight against isis. the fbi is asking for the public's help to identify the person in this image, an english-speaking, masked man seen in nearly an hour-long isis propaganda video. officials in the uk say they have foiled a homegrown isis plot. an arrest right here at home of an american trying to join isis. 19-year-old muhammad khan arrested over the weekend at chicago's o'hare airport, allegedly headed to syria to fight alongside isis. he reportedly left his parents a letter, spellinging out his intentions and pleading with them not to tell the authorities he was up to. feds found that letter when they raided his home. adding to the urgency.

former defense secretary leon panetta is adding fire. who served president obama in the cia and defense department did not spare his former boss. he blasted the president as a vacillator and complainer, calling him someone with the logic of a law professor instead of the passion of a leader. >> that's not good. >> panetta went on with andrea mitchell this afternoon to further his case. >> my experience in washington is that logic alone doesn't work. once you lay out a position, you've got to roll up your sleeves and you've got to basically fight to get it done. that is key in washington. in order for presidents to succeed, they cannot just -- you know, when they run into problems, kind of step back and give up. and i think there's a feeling right now. i have a feeling that both the leadership and the congress and the president have largely given up on the big issues facing this country. >> for more on washington's reactions to all of this, we

head there now to msnbc's political reporter alex sites. we've heard this assessment of the president has before, too professorial and not passionate enough. what strikes me as an ex-adviser coming out and attacking the president while he's still in office. what do you make of that? >> yeah, it was his predecessor robert gates who did it first with a lot of the same criticism. i think with both of them, you have guys who are just not loyal to the president. their careers weren't made in the obama administration. gates was a bush holdover, who was begged to stay by obama. he really wanted to leave. panetta was a clinton guy who was brought back into service. so, neither of these guys, you know, fear any retribution from the obama white house. again, he's two years left in -- >> they're not afraid of no law professor. >> that's right. they're not afraid of him. they're just going to go out and say what they want, sell a lot of books and do well for themselves.

and i think also subtly there's something else going on here. i said panetta made his career in the clinton white house. i think he's doing his best to help hillary clinton, looking ahead to the next administration.> that sounds three-dimensional chess. like i'll dis obama to help hillary sort of thing. >> i'm not a fan of these post books after you have served in an administration, yet we seem to be seeing a lot more of that lately. i want to move on to this isis threat toure was mentioned earlier, the 19-year-old that was arrested over the weekend at o'hare international airport, trying to catch a flight ultimately to turkey, where he would then try to get into iraq or syria to join isis. in his room authorities found handwritten documents that supported isis, drawings of the flag. one note he wrote to his parents said, first and foremost, don't tell the authorities. if this were to happen, it would

not just jeopardize the safety of us and our family as well. we've seen more and more cases pop up right here at home. something a lot of us are concerned about. these are just the ones we know about. politically, though, how much can obama -- president obama do to prevent this from happening? >> well, not much. that's the problem. i mean, this is really the nightmare scenario. this scares a lot of americans and why we're seeing in the polling a return to that 2003-2004 era levels of concern about national security and terrorism. if you have an american kid with an american passport who goes and becomes radicalized, gets training, comes back. if he doesn't get caught, like this kid was, it's really scary. there's very little, frankly, the white house can do, that the administration can do. you know, the security apparatus will do its best but we've seen time and again, with the secret service, there are cracks there. >> we want to do some politics. we're going to have some fun

after some serious topics. abby huntsman and i were talking about lil john. everyone in politics is talking about lil john, musician, who makes rambunctious, some would call hard core rap music, he's teamed up with celebrities in rock the vote. he's got this song called "turn down for what," you love that one, toure -- >> that's a good one. >> can we just play it? >> no. 9-e made it "turn out for what." let's take a look. ♪ rock the vote rock the vote ♪ ♪ turn out for what ♪ ♪ turn out for what ♪ turn out for what >> i'm turning out for reproductive rights. >> i'm fred. i'm turning out because i want to impress my friends. that's the only reason to ever do anything. ♪ turn down for what

>> very honest and straightforward appeal, to try to get young people out. rock the vote releasing that with lil john today. i want your political read. do these efrtsz make any difference when you try to get people to come out in what are traditionally lower turnout events in the midterm. >> yeah, lil alex, respond. >> maybe it can move on the margins but it's really tough. for young people who are -- don't tend to vote in high numbers in presidential years, let alone in off years, they can get excited about history breaking moment like the barack obama presidency, but for right now in this midterm when there's no major issues on the line, no climate change bill, no obamacare, it's hard for people to get excited about this. maybe lil john will get a few more people to the polls but -- and also you can look at obama's approval numbers. even among the base, really low, young people, so it's going to take a lot of lil john videos.

>> like his approval numbers are lil, like lil john. >> thanks for that report, ari. alex, in other midterm news, new numbers out for grimes, in kentucky she's been down consistently. this one up by an anomaly, two points. is this real? >> i'm going to hold judgment on that. most have mcconnell up by four points. it could be an outlier. one of the big problems with polling in midterms is the turnout model, it's it's all about turnout, since you're trying to predict who's going to come to the polls. you know, that's where pollsters get it wrong. we have to wait and see if those numbers are real or not. >> something tells me a --

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six more states could also join the equality band wagon as well. based on the supreme court's actions this week. it's not just the court acting here. republicans, yes, republicans, are increasingly demanding equality as well. let's face it, as the party evolves, younger members are opening their eyes. one group leading that movement is the american unityi!d fund, group i whole-heartedly support. >> i'm standing out for freedom. >> i'm allen. >> i'm karen. >> we're standing out for equality. >> i'm standing out for w=wfree. >> i am standing out for the right side of history. >> standing on the right side of history isn't just where republicans need to be, it's where all americans should be. with more on this important campaign, jeff cook mccormick, senior adviser joins us at the table. i'm so excited about this campaign that really comes at a perfect time. i have long talked about the conservative argument that two

main things really, family values and also equality under the law, two things the party has long stood for. yet there's still a division in the republican party. in large part between the young and the old. >> absolutely. yesterday was such an historic day for freedom in america. and at the same time it's a clear indication that so much of the work that's left to be done, the final frontier in the civil rights movement of our generation, is on the center right. it's in the republican party and in communities of faith. those same values that have motivated so many people to embrace economic freedom. values like individual liberty, personal responsibility, limited government and strong families are the same conservative principles that have driven gay and lesbian people to want to conform to the institution of marriage. marry the person they love. the standout campaign is about republicans, conservatives, independents, moderates and libertarians across america sharing in their own words by making a video online at americanunityfund.com why they support freedom for their friends, family and neighbors

and communicating that. >> he even got the website in there. >> i like that. i'm glad you're doing this. this is important. i want republicans to come along because this is the right side of history. but the problem for the gop is that they've spent so many years demogogging against human rights. it's how they relate to their base. the south still has -- the vast majority of its states are against gay marriage. the south is a key part of the gop coalition. how does the gop mo guard in embracing gay rights when their basefngmw so deeply against it? >> that's a good question. what's so fascinating for so many americans, two years ago at this time we had six states for freedom to marry. today we're close to 30. part of the amazing story is state after state republicans provided the margin of victory in each of those states. we now have 234 republican state legislators across america who followed their consciouses and did the right thing, despite the

political risk. what we've seen politically, three of the 234 lost their seat as a result of their stand. people are showing courage, living to tell the tale and it's causing courage to go viral. more and more concerns and conservative legislators and rank and file republicans are standing up because they see how the country is changing and they recognize there's an emerging -- >> we love viral courage. >> we love all kinds of courage. >> that's right. >> so, to toure's point a bit, some are still seeing political opportunity in opposing marriage equali equality. senator ted cruz, who many of you as a potential 2016 hopeful came out with a statement yesterday after the supreme court's decision. he said, the supreme court's decision by lower courts stand to redefine marriage is tragic and indefensible. marriage is an institution whose integrity and vitality are critical to the health of any society. we should remain faithful to our moral heritage and never hesitate to defend it.

how do you think this debate will play out in the 2016 presidential race? >> we've seen it over the last year. those comments are becoming fewer and farther in between. there's a larger group of republicans who would really like to see this issue -- see us move on from this issue and recognize that the court is playing a leadership role and there aren't a whole lot of republicans that are that upset about it. we've seen from a lot of republican governors over the last 24 hours, they've taken a position you would expect a republican to take, which is the rule of law. if republicans believe in nothing else, it's in the rule of law and enforcing the law as it is. we're seeing a number of republicans who even personally may hold a more traditional view of the issue but who are at least embracing that this issue is now over in many of their states. >> and the politics of it, we obviously understand why we focus on laws and equality before the law, which is a long-standing struggle in this nation. you're also working partly on the culture here because you're talking about people sharing their stories with other people so we can think about this as

broader than just what are the rules in this state. my question for you, for conservatives, how much of this has to go beyond the rules about marriage and go to the harder conversation that touches on religion, which is fostering an environment where we see each other as equals and not saying that someone's sexual orientation or someone says they were born that way, they chose it, whatever, that that makes them a sinner, makes them something bad before god because that drives a lot of what you're working on, which is the culture piece. >> i think we're now close to 30 states. clearly, there are 20 statesrhx left that aren't yet there. we have a lot of work to do among conservatives and people of faith to continue this conversation. we've seen in a lot of states that already have marriage is that conservatives who were in opposition to it when it was in the process of taking place, now that it's over, they've gotten more comfortable. a big reason they've gotten more comfortable is they've recognized there's a difference between the civil institution of marriage and the religious institution of marriage. people can have their beliefs --

>> do you think if they stand by that religious belief they can still look although people who happen to be gay as full equals? >> i do believe so. i think a number of americans -- this is a delicate issue for a lot of americans. we've also seen, like in the state of pennsylvania, gay and lesbian couples are free to marry the person they love. when they show up at work the next day, they can be fired for the fact they got married the night before. so we still have work to pass nondiscrimination protection laws in this country. we've seen a lot of evangelical christians are supportive of nondiscrimination but they have a more traditional view on marriage. what we've done on the center right is give republicans an opportunity to demonstrate their inclusi inclusive, whether that's embracing freedom to marry, nondiscrimination or standing up for a strong u.s. foreign policy voice inclusive of gays and lesbians across the globe. 2ñ republican or democratic thing. it's across the country.

if a republican wants to win a, they cannot win a national election if they are against gay marriage. i love this campaign. thank you so much. >> we'll see. >> thank you for being with us. we appreciate it. when we come back, we were talking about presidents before. we'll talk about two more presidents who are remembered quite differently but they are sharing something very similar. [ man ] look how beautiful it is.

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oats go! wow! go power oats! go! go power! yayyyy! nbc news now makes its projection for the presidency. reagan is our projected winner. ronald wilson reagan. >> i can't help but recall in 1966 riding around in a greyhound bus with him as he was trying to win the republican nomination for governor of california. a lot of people were laughing at him then in 1966. they0,nú learned in every elec in which he's been allowed, never laugh at ronald reagan. >> magz clip there. that was election night 1980. that, of course, was the greatw tom brokaw recounting ronald

reag reagan's rise to the presidency from their first meeting in 1966 which was the same sometime, by the way, of another politician as high height of power, lindon ba lyndon johnson. a new book called "landslide: lbj and ronald reagan" when johnson reigned over the world when ronald reagan was beginning on a course to change politics to this very day. here to tell us what our current leaders can learn and not learn from these two political giants is the book's author, jonathan darman. thanks for being with us. i don't think a lot of people connect ronald reagan and lbj, who are at different ends of the spectrum. tell us what they share in common, what the connection is and what we should be learning now. >> not only are they at opposite ends of the spectrum. we associate them with two

totally different moments of time. if you're a progressive and you want to look at ideological passion gets matched with political opportunities, that's 1960s and the johnson administration. if you're a conservative, the>b comparable is reagan and the '80s. we don't think about the fact they were contemporaries. born less than three years apart. they are shaped by the same world events. their world views are product of coming age in the same america. if you go back actually 50 years ago this fall, lyndon johnson on his way to winning the largest popular vote in american history and same time ronald reagan emerging as a political figure as the only republican in the country who makes a compelling case against johnson. what i wanted to do was tell the story of 1,000 days in the mid-1960s when you see these guys offering a new vision for politics that shapes a lot of the contest we see in the 50 years that follow. >> there's a lot of similarities

between the men they dream of being. i love this sentence. reagan and johnson were at heart driven by the same fundamental need to be the hero and receive the world's admiration and acclaim. one was a rancher down in the muck. that's lbj. the other was a cowboy riding along the ridge. that's reagan. but at the end of the day, each of them was a man on horseback commanding the attention of the world. expound on that idea. >> yeah. can you be a different kind of rancher. you can be a guy removed from it or lyndon johnson, as we all know, was down there working, you know, arm-twisting, giving the famed johnson treatment to legislators. at the end of the day, are you the one everyone alooking at? that's the biggest appeal for both of them. they both interestingly had the same idol for who did that best, fdr. they interpreted the fdr leg ac differently. for johnson, for fdr the way he was able to transform people's lives, and johnson passed a

progressive program. for reagan, fdr was able to connect with millions and millions of people he would never know, never see but he could make them feel like he knew who they were and what he wanted. reagan tried to imlate that in his own political career. >> you write reagan created his own legacy, lbj was always working off of kennedy. and you write, johnson would encourage the myth of kennedy, the martyr, so that he could be the martyr's redeemer. that way kennedy would live on forever and so would i. he had seen his country searching for a story to believe in. seizing a moment of opportunity in the chaotic aftermath of the assassination, he promised it the grandest story of all. you say that was essential to his governing and also created a vulnerability. >> yeah. it's an incredible moment. i think we all sort of take it for granted now, knowing how history works out. johnson assumes the presidency on november 22, 1963. of course, he's going to be able to continue on. but actually, it was quite a -- you know, a substantial task

that was before him. the country was sort of absorbed in this unprecedented moment of national grief and sadness. and so johnson has this sort of brainstorm which is, he can provide a release for the he can say to them, it's okay for us to get on with our lives and let's do it by honoring john f. kennedy's legacy by trying to achieve all the things he wasn't able to achieve in his lifetime. he understands there's this emerging kennedy myth and he really harnesses himself to it. at the same time, that sort of creates a problem for him because he starts competing on that level of someone who is great and transformative and historic. and as i show in the book over time that makes him sort of, make a lot of promises that don't really jibe with the reality people are seeing in their own lives as things start to spin out of control in the '60s. >> if you're a politician today, you want to be the next ronald reagan. you write about ways that people can learn from ronald reagan. one being, you've got to appeal to a broad base. something he would often say,

don't label me a conservative. >> it's interesting. people today say stuff like, reagan couldn't get elected in today's republican party. the idea being that, you know, he's -- that with all the sort of litmus tests, even ronald reagan isn't idealogically pure enough. i don't personally believe that. one thing you see in the book is reagan is incredibly pragmatic about matters of his own self-interest. he would be capable of figuring out exactly what he needed to do to get elected in today's republican party but he would also be focused on voters in the middle. >> great book. thank you so much. >> thank you so much. our next guest says 40 is the new 30. and i know at least one "cyclist" is pretty excited to welcome her to the table. [ male announcer ] ours was the first modern airliner, revolutionary by every standard.

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story after writing so many other people's stories, why? >> after 40 years of writing about everything else, it was time to turn it around on myself. because i had been talk being how well did they do. talking about how well they did. well, how well did i do? i made a lot of mistakes. i learned how to dare. it was like an excavation, painful, but also you find treasures, people who helped you along the way and how important an influence they were in your life, you find out who betrayed you and how you deal with that. ultimately you see the theme of your life, which most of us don't take time to think about. the them for me was -- theme for me was daring. i found if i pushed through the fear and took a leap, even if i

didn't land on my feet the first time, i hardly ever did, if i took it again and again i felt bet eter and began to succeed a felt more powerful. so i learned when i fear i dare. >> you became one of the big, big figures in the new journalism movement cwhich inspired me very much as a writer. >> cool. >> and there was a painting in your book, an illustration of you alongside tom wolff and the leaders of that movement and there you are out in front of the group. >> on the outside. >> how did you get there. the book begins with that the literal and figure atively journey of how you got there.

>> mr. so, . >> so, as a fearful person, where did you find the kourng to do that? courage to do that? >> i think it was from bored them. i wanted to write what the guys wrote about, really interesting stuff. there was jimmy writing about hookers and bail bondsmen and tom wolf writing about masters of the universe. you know, skewering people with wonderful social realism and i wanted to write like them. so this is funny,fbr i went to

felger and i hear him on the phone saying, what do you mean you don't have my reservation, my usual at the four seasons and i'm like, totally, i can't possibly know, i have to go back. i mean, i had a boyfriend who described me as a skinny brainy chick, that wasn't a compliment in the 60s. finally he says, where did you come from, i said the estrogen zone. the rest was amazing. >> talk about being outside your comfort zone.t6 when you look back at everyone you've ever interviewed, when did you feel most out of your comfort zone? >> well certainly when i was in northern ireland and it was a lovely sunday and i was joining a peaceful civil rights march, the catholics against the british army.

we dragged everybody back to safety. i went and climbed up an outdoor balcony standing next to a young boy asking him how does paratroopers do their thing and suddenly a bullet hit right in his face and his face just exploded with$;f+ blood and i leaningleaned down trying to think i could put him back together again. i was only 32 years old. first time i had ever seen death. from then on it was like people falling in on us trying to get into the apartment to get out of the cross fire. the paratroopers were jackknifing out of their armored cars and spraying civilians with

the first of that kind of urban warfare. i crawled out only because a bullet passed a few feet in front of my own nose. that was a rich experience. >> i would say that is outside anyone's comfort zone. >> right but it lived to my in writing pack acks. because it was a premature mid life crisis. nobody knew what that was. and much else about different passages of life. >> you have a lot of stories in the book. thanks so much for being here today. we'll be back straight ahead. each brita filter can replace 300 of those. clean. clear. brita water. nothing is better. come from all walks of life. if you have high blood sugar, ask your doctor about farxiga.

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okay. that does it for the cycle. "now" starts right now. >> america anty isis coalition faces a new threat, his name, joe biden. >> joe biden's apology tour. >> vice president joe biden suggesting they cover some of the blame for isis. zblrz there is great truth to much of what he says. >> the problem is they need the turks and others to fight isis. >> why apologize to turks. turkey should be apologizing to us. >> i think joe biden forget