tv The Rachel Maddow Show MSNBC October 7, 2014 9:00pm-10:01pm PDT
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>> 20 years from now we play that clip of tobacco people saying i don't believe it's addictive. you'll look like that. that's the weigh don blaay don will look. >> we made it possible for the country to be strong and the super power of the world and have the best quality of life in general. >> and you don't think history will look poorly on the things you said. >> the history will look upon it as what we needed to do. coal miners didn't go out and try to destroy the environment. they provide energy for the company. >> thank you for coming. >> that is all, the rachel maddows show starts now. >> good evening, chris. wow. thanks for joining us this hour. we got a big show tonight. there is lots of news, including about this.
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>> oh, my god. >> that's what just happened in louisiana. it has an uncomfortable connection to this which just happened today in canada. we have that story and elizabeth warren here live for the interview coming up in a few minutes. we got a big show, a lot going on. we're starting tonight with breaking news on a national security issue. the investigation, the fbi has taken the unusual step of asking the american public for help about isis. specifically, the fbi is asking for help in trying to identify this man. this is a propaganda video released by the terror group isis couple weeks ago. and the individual that you are looking at right here in the video, you can see he's wearing military style camouflage and a black mask. this man is believed by u.s. security officials to be a north american. maybe he's an american citizen, possibly canadian citizen who traveled overseas to join the
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fight with isis and appeared in this video. as a general rule, we here at msnbc and nbc news do not typically play extended clips from isis propaganda videos but in this case there is a specific reason to. the u.s. government tonight has taken the unusual step of reposting just under a two-minute long section of that long video. it's video that's almost an hour in length released a couple weeks ago. the fbi excerpted a portion under two pminutes long and posted it on the fbi website and asked americans to watch it specifically because they are trying to gather tips about who that masked man is. yes, he's wearing a mask but they believe between his body language and the shape of his face that you can see through that mask and the voice and the way in which he speaks, somebody may know who he is or may know a way to figure it out. so to that end, we'll play just
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a short clip from that video. watch. >> we're here in the 17th division military base just outside the city and we're here with the soldiers of bashar. you can see them now digging their own graves in the very place they were stationed. >> that's a portion of the isis propaganda video).ka=mq online at the fbi website ndrsu later on in the portion of the video that the fbi posted, they don't show it graphically but show enough to indicate the man, this man speaking there with a north american accent goes on to participate in the murder of some of those said to be syrian government soldiers who you see behind him he saw introducing in that clip. as you can hear in the clip, the gentleman speaking here does appear to have a north american accent. it could be a canadian accent. at this point they don't know who he is or where he is from.
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they think there is enough to identify him they are seeking any information they can get. the fbi released this wanted poster, which shows the same man again seeking information from the american public about that man. the fbi is hoping somebody might recognize him from his voice or appearance. we're asking anybody with information to call or submit information on the fbi's website. this weekend, the director of the fbi, he addressed the threat posed by americans traveling overseas to join the fight with isis. he told cbs news the fbi knows of a dozen or so americans that are fighting with isis in syria and asked the fbi, is asking the american public to tell the fbi any information they have about any american who is planning to travel to syria to fight with isis what may have traveled there already. any information, no bit of information is too small. but again, tonight, they have expanded on that specifically toward this one target. they apparently believe this is
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one of those dozen or so americans or at least north american whose joined the fight with isis. again, he's seen participating in killing people in this propaganda video. the fbi is analyzing this particular piece of tape for weeks now but again the breaking news tonight is that as part of the investigation, they have taken the remarkable step of reaching out to the american public specifically in the hopes somebody can identify him. joining us now is nbc news justice correspondent pete williams. pete, thanks for helping us with this. appreciate your time tonight. >> you bet. >> how unusual is it for the fbi to take a case like this to the public. we know about the ten most wanted lists but specifically on a counterterrorism case like this, how unusual is it for the fbi to say we think the best information might come from americans we have no contact with at this point? >> well, you know, i think you have to put this in prospective. the simple answer is it is
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unusual. it's not the first time the fbi asked for help in identifying suspected terrorists overseas. you may recall that the fbi posted pictures from the surveillance cameras in the benghazi attack to see if people recognized any of the pictures there. the unfortunate fact is that it can be done now because terror organizations are better at producing videos that can be excerpted. in a sense the way to think about this is the fbi taking an isis propaganda tool, videos in english and trying to use the tool against the terror group by saying hey, do you recognize this man? now, in this 55-minute long video there is two american voices. there is the picture and the voice of the man you've been showing but the video is also narrated in english. so there is actually a second person on there. the fbi apparently didn't feel there was much to be gained by simply playing the audio on
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narrator because that just didn't give people enough to go on. in the excerpt they have posted on their website, which i guess we should say is fbi.gov, wwww.fbi.gov, they say we're not only asking for tips on who this guy is, but we're also asking for help from the public in identifying anyone else in america that people suspect might be planning to go overseas to commit jihad or have recently come back. it's a reflection, i think, of the fact that more of these videos are out there and isis produces all of it's materials or virtually all in english, specifically to appeal to westerners and especially americans, but it's also a reflection of the fact this is one of the fbiest biggest concerns about people who go join up isis and come back to the u.s. >> and the fbi press release about this today, they noted
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that an isis fighter was seen in previous propaganda videos because they showed the beheading of hostages and note it has been reported that the identity of that british accented isis fighter may be known to british authorities, that he may have been identified. there is some american officials that indicated american officials may know who that british accented fighter is, as well. is there any indication knowing who these guys are helps fight isis in any way or at least helps track down any risk they may pose back to their home countries? >> two points about that. one is the fbi director himself told us that both he and the u.s. are confident they know who that british man is. but secondly, if they can figure out who these people are, even if they can't get at them in syria or iraq or wherever they are, hey, it may help them track them down using the methods you
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can probably conjer up in your mind that need isn't be any further explained here but secondly, if they have some confidence in knowing who they are, they can try to figure out who they might be in contact with in the u.s. they can talk to friends and relatives. what was it that radicalized them. are they in touch? do they intend to come back? any piece of information they can get about the people who have gone to syria to join with these groups will be extremely valuable they say. >> pete williams, thank you for helping us understand this tonight. apree appreciate it. the fbi posted on its website, a video. they posted a short segment that highlights an individual who appears to be speak income a north american or canada accent and transitions between arabic and english and they are asking for the public at large to watch
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the tape. see if you see anything you recognize or you might know who that is. no tip is too small. it's interesting the point pete williams made, there appear to be two american accents or north american accent ounce that same isis video. one of them, somebody just appears as a nay ray torrator a other you can both see the person wearing a mask and hear his voice at the same time. the fbi choosing to focus on that second man presumably because they believe something about the combination of hearing his voice and seeing him at the same time may make it possible for somebody to the identify him. it does given the technical sophistication of these isis property began to videos, it does raise the question whether or not his voice has been electronically altered in material th terms of the way we hear that video. the fact the fbi is coming direct to the public is a remarkable new development in the fight. got lots more ahead including
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that, utah and wisconsin. oh, but, wait, there's more. because of the way that the supreme court decided yesterday, because they decided by letting lower court rulings stand, those lower-court rulings mean that same-sex marriage is legal in all of the other states that those courts have jurisdiction in. so yesterday we started with 19 states and directly added five more. but now, these other six states, which are under the same jurisdictions of those lower courts, these six are now also in the process of legalizing same-sex marriage at the same time. so you can also at colorado, kansas, north carolina, south carolina, west virginia and wyoming. oh, but, wait, there's mr. today, another one of those courts ruled that state bans against same-sex marriage was unconstitutional. so we put back up the score card there. today's ruling, from the ninth circuit, directly overthrew the
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anti-gay marchage ban in two more states. so they directly legalized same-sex marriage in idaho and nevada. but the ruling also applied to all the other states in that circuit as well which currently ban marriage. so in addition to idaho and nevada being added today, you can also add these three more. montana, alaska, arizona.ha!1b unless the supreme court takes it up, which they won't, will also legalize same-sex marriage in alaska, montana and arizona. in the course of 36 hours, we have gone from the same sex marriage being legal where they're either legal or in the process of becoming legal in very short order in almost the whole country. 65 pbt of the population. wow, that was fast. it's now easier to count the number of states where marriage rights were not equal. and then than it is to count it
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all the other way. and it all happened in 36 hours. republicans like ted cruz and texas and mike lee and tom tillson in north carolina, they're all mashing their teeth about this. but avenue foot fighting like this, we're stimwaiting on it all at once. but, honestly, if you're waiting with baited breath for that result, it's because you're not paying attention to the movement of higs ri right now. so on that issue, on that one
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part of the law about our rights in this country, the courts are just racing ahead right now. it's happening all over the country, even where you wouldn't expect it and it's just happening now. boom. >> the day before that, june 125th last year, the day before the big gay rights ruling, that same supreme court took a sledge hammer to voting rights in this country. 50 years ago in the civil rights mobilization in this country against votes rights discrimination. the five republican appointed justices in the majority argue that discrimination in voting
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rights was a thing of the past. it was something we no longer needed federal protections against states discriminating in the way they let people vote. that was sort of a lovely, feel good fairy tale. >> the idea of a no longer contested territory is bull puckey. but since 2010, since the last big term election in which they won control of state governments all across the country, 18 sdimpbt republican-controlled states have changed the law to make it harder to vote. conservatives on the supreme court explaped that we don't need to worry about voting rights being restricted anymore. that was all in the past. and they explained that at the exact moment that voting rights are being restricted more than at any other time in the last couple of generations. so gutting voting rights on a tuesday, and then the next day,
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wednesday, they had their big gay rights decision. it was a very confusing time. but, now, more than a year later, we are still reaping the whirlwind of that very confusing time in american rights. because right now, as we've got this lightning progress from the supreme court and the lower federal courts on marriage rights, as that's just steaming across the country at the exact same time that's happening, wo're now one month out from the elections. that's the kind of voter fraud that would be put off by voter id. once republicans got control of the state legislature, they passed a new law in 2011 that blocks you from voting in wisconsin unless you have an idea. id.
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unless you bring specific documentation which hundreds of thousands of residents do not have. just to give you a sense of the scale of what they're doing, he won by about 125,000 votes. the estimates prepared for the courts as to how many legal wisconsin voters don't have the id to show that you need to vote in wisconsin anymore. the range is, at the low end, 160,000. at the high end, about 370,0 0. he only won by 125,000 votes. you think i e it might make a difference? i mean, most of the people without id, let's be honest, are people who are poor, people who lives, people who are disproportionately from minority populations. you take somewhere between 160,00,370,00 of those voters, no democrat will ever win wisconsin again.
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at least not stay a while. so that's what wisconsin republicans passed in 2011.cpp years in the courts. and then things got totally nuts. even though the ballots have already been sent out, people are already voting, a federal appeals court decided they would jump in and say that they can start enforcing that law right now in the middle of the election after people have already started voting. so, now, in wisconsin, they're
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trying to track down all the absentee ballot votes to tell them actually, the rules for voting in this election are different than they ever been before. the rules are different from the ballot information you got in the mail. so they're trying to track down all of those people. then there is people that haven't just received absentee ballots, they voted and sent it back and those people believe, you might think reasonably, that their voting is done and their vote will count. their civic duty has been discharged. but because the court jumped in when things were underway, those people's votes are not going to count unless elections officials can find those people, get in touch, explain they need to get in touch with their county clerk and provide photo copies of this identification paperwork that the voter may or may not have and they were not told they would have to show this time before they already voted.
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that chaos iss underway right nw in wisconsin. the state government has decided that no money will be directed to state agencies understand the new law, to help state workers comply with the new law or to let anybody know that this change has happened in the middle of the election. this sort of good government group inside wisconsin is called the government accountability board. they asked the legislature if they could please have half a million dollars to run an ad campaign between now and november 4th, letting everybody know about these new rules that had never been used before. the republican controlled state
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legislature issued a hearing to say that they considered that request. that hearing was due to happen today. bud then they cancelled it. hundreds of thousands ofafth pe don't have what they need to vote. people started voting without compiling and sort of trying to track those folks down or their votes won't count. there is no money to reach those people there is no money to educate anybody and no plans to let anybody in the state know anything changed between now and election day. what could possibly go wrong? if you're starting to feel like this isn't going wrong and it's going the way they want it to go, that's because you've been paying attention to recent history. in wisconsin the recall effort against scott walker and legislators, the koch brothers and wisconsin that year they sent out mailers with absentee ballot applications. it said they should send back
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the absentee ballot applications on a day two days after the election was over. they said it was an honest mistake, printing error, they did not intend to mislead anybody on the date of the election. that was 2011. in 2012, the hard-fought presidential election in wisconsin, black and latino sections of milwaukee wisconsin mysteriously got 85 of these very scary billboards anonymously posted by some private family foundation. the billboards just in poor, minority neighborhoods threatening 3 1/2 years in prison and $10,000 in fine if you vote wrong in wisconsin. are you sure it's worth the risk? you could go to jail. and then this year's elections chlts it's the federal appeals court. for thousands of people, they're changing the rules right in the
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middle of the election. and there's no state plan to even pretend to try to make it work. 5:00 p.m. eastern time today was the deadline for the state of wisconsin to tell the supreme court of the united states why the supreme court should not weigh in here on this mess. the five judges who all voted to intervene and institute this new law and change in the middle of wisconsin, all of those five justices who made this happen were all judges appointed by republicans. the one justice in the supreme court was appointed to the supreme court by president obama. obviously, nobody knows want elena kagan or the supreme court
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are going to do here. there are other issue pgs, like, say on voting. four weeks before this hugely important election. right now, in lots of places in our country, it is just chaos, judicially imposed cay yosz. joining me now is democratic state senator john irpenbach of wisconsin. senator, it's nice the see you again. thank you for being back with us. >> my pleasure. an emergency motion asking to stay yesterday's decision. where do you stand in terms of whether they're going to
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implement this new election or wisconsin is going to get a reprieve here. >> i personally hope we get a reprieve on the raw. what we need to do is take up how angry we are about the whole process and turn it into action which we hopefully will talk about in a little bit. but you're right. hopefully, she will, basically, tell wisconsin to sit this one out. just go ahead and vote the way you formally would vote. there are people who voted in august who wouldn't be able to vote in the general election coming up in about 28 days, simply because they do not have an idea where a couple of months ago, you didn't need one to vote. >> some people have already, obviously, as you said, some people voted in the primary, can't, under the new law, vote in the general election. some people have voted in the jeb general election, but they didn't vote according to the any
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rules. do you get the sense that the new rules are a factor in terms of whether or not people are deciding if they're going to vote, deciding if they're going to get involved. is there confusion on the ground there a day-to-day way. >> there's confusion of what id would counsel, what id wouldn't count. we got a call to our office this past week that's from a mom trying to get an id for her son. some people are goirng to say the heck with it and stay home. our job, my job, as an elected official is to make sure that people understand that this is possible to do. obviously, people are up set and out raged about this but we can take that anger and turn it to the polls and get enough people poll watching the day of the election throughout the state of wisconsin. it's really confusing and frustrating in wisconsin. >> thanks for helping us understand this. i knew that this was sort of
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happening at a surface level when i started looking into those legal briefs. today, i could not believe how many people this affects in your state. just a remarkable story. thanks, senator, nice the see you. >> senator elizabeth warren is going to be here for the interview straight ahead. and this's there. >> yeah, another disaster in an american town involving trains hauling hazardous materials. we've got more on that story including some incredible context. stay with us. blah be be (receptionist) gunderman group. gunderman group is growing. getting in a groove. growth is gratifying. goal is to grow. gotta get greater growth. i just talked to ups. they got expert advise, special discounts,
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let's say you're running for senate in kentucky or michigan, yes, if you're looking to unseat the top republican in the senate mitch mcconnell by beating him in his home state of kentucky, the the senator you're calling on is the same senator they're calling on in those other states, too. red states and blue states. elizabeth warren. she is the democratic senator putting the spine in the exclamation point. it makes this as good a time as in to see if democratic voters are going to show up for her. senator, it's great to see you. thanks very much for joining us tonight. >> conventional wisdom in washington is that the
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president's party always loses hugely in the midterms and in midterm elections, democratic voters do not like to show up. do you think that's warranted for feeling around the country? >> no, i don't. this is an election about who side you stand on. it comes up with very, very specific ways. this is a big difference between democrats and republicans. democrats believe is that no one should work full time and leave in poverty. that's why we're out there fighting against the minimum wage. student loans. democratics believe the united states government should not be making a profit off the backs of our kids.
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that is fundamentally wrong when they're trying to get an education. and, yet, when we tried to pass a bill to reduce the interest rate, the republicans filibustered it in the united states. equal pay for equal work. i still cannot believe that we have to talk about this in 2014. the democrats want to change that and say you can't be fired just for asking. and i've got to give you one more. the democrats believe that it is not your employer's business what kind of birth control you use. and, yet, when we want to move forward on a bill that says exactly that, the republicans say no. these are pretty clear choices. they're choices that define who we are as a country. this is for people who need not
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77 cents on the dollar, but people who need equal pay for equal work. that's what's at stake in this 2014 election. and i think we get out there and make our case. that's what our candidates did. people here, we go to the polls, that's what democracy is all ab. >> you raised the issue of minimum wage first. obviously, that's something that the democrats and the president have championed. but it's on the ballot in a really specific way, arkansas, nebraska, south dakota, do you think that has expanded some of the races? those voters are going to be voting on the minimum wage.3y;
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do you think it will make more people turn out? >> i certainly hope so. but do understand me on this. i recall want people to turn out. i believe in democracy. i believe in giving people access to voting, on expanded access to voting, i want to protect voting rights. i think that when people get a chance to hear what the issues are about and get a chance to vote, we truly will move this country in the right direction. but voting is where it starts. people have to have access to the ballot box. that's key. >> i beg your pardon, i just had a coughing fit. i'm not crying because i've been moved to tears, i'm crying because i'm coughing. forgive me, senator. >> that's all right. >> on the issue of senator mitch mcconnell in particular, senator mcconnell has a really tough race against lynn grimes. >> i certainly hope so. >> a lot of people saying
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elizabeth warren going to kentucky? is she too liberal? will it make her look more lib ram than she actually is. >> alison grimes and i do not agree on every issue. she's a strong and ind pen dent woman. but on key issues about fighting for working families, on key issues about giving people a fighting chance, alison grimes is really out there. right now, there are $1.2 trillion outstanding debt. you can reduce your interest rate by refinancing on your home mortgage, on your business loans even on your car loan. but there's no way right now to do that on student loans on these federally guaranteed
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student loans. and just to pick one little slice, the student loans that went out between 2007 and 2012 are right now on target after you adjust for the cost of the funds, that slice of loans is on target to produce $66 billion in profit. for the united states government. we want to reduce the rate on student loans. that's what alison grimes wants to do. do you know who killed that bill? mitch mcconnell. he's the one that led the fight. he said no, no, no. we can't reduce the interest rate on student loans because to do that, we have to find a way to pay for it.
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and the way we suggested to pay for it is how much stitching up some of the tax loopholes so that millionaires and billionaires pay at least as much in taxes as middle class families. mitch mcconnell said flatly no and led the fight to kill the student loan bill. so for me, there's the clear choice. alison grimes doesn't believe we should put an extra tax on their backs. mitch mcconnell said no, it's far more important to protect tax loopholes for billionaires than it is to help our students. those are the kinds of koiss that are in front of people for the 2014 races. i think that alison is going to make a good, strong case in kentucky and i hope she beats mech mcconnell with it. thanks for helping us understand your take on it. thank you.
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>> thank you. >> and i apologize for having a coughing fit in the middle of that. i've been fighting this cold all week, really, it has to burst forth on tv while i'm talking to elizabeth warren? yes, of course it does. in wisconsin, senator warren is going to be campaigning this weekend for mary burke who is facingoff against republican governor scott walker as he's fighting his re-election effort there. she's going to be 234 wisconsin with mary burke this weekend, too. all right, we'll be right back. oh, i like that one. it's so quick! it's just like my car insurance. i saved 15% in just 15 minutes. i saved more than that in half the time. i unfriend you. that's not how it works. that's not how any of this works. [ male announcer ] 15 minutes for a quote isn't how it works anymore. with esurance, 7 1/2 minutes could save you on car insurance. welcome to the modern world. esurance. backed by allstate. click or call. you're not doing anything hand, as fast as you used to. do you need help?
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comcast business. built for business. [ roars ] . today at about 7:30 a.m. local time a freight train derailed and was carrying a number of hazardous materials. now the train originated in winnipeg heading westbound but it derailed. there was a huge explosion that followed, a massive tire that came from the petroleum that spilled on the tracks. the train was pulling 100 cars, 26 of them derailed. people living nearby were evacuated. people with farms were asked to leave. it's unclear what caused the derailment but an investigative team was dispatched. in november in alabama, these rail cars derailed and blew up
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causing an explosion that led to the release of 750,000 gallons of crude oil. in december, a mile-long oil train derailed and exploded in north carolina outside fargo. that derailment and that huge explosion forced the evacuation of 2/3rds of the town. in spring another oil train 1y5% derailed and tanker cars exploded and leaked the flaming toxic contents in lynch burg. this one today happened in canada. not in the u.s. although canada and u.s. rail are pretty well integrated particularly with huge new oil trains, a derailment like this hits a lot of raw nerves because of the huge canada disaster last summer in quebec. an oil train derailment that killed 47 people. that disaster spread the canadian government to take
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action and they phased out older model tank cars. today's derailment shows accidents do happen. so making the cars safer might be the thing that saves us all. this is louisiana. about 120 miles east of shreveport. this happened about 11:00 a.m. >> what town are we in? oh mother -- oh my god. tell me he got out. >> he's in there. >> tell me he got out. >> that crash happened when a transport truck got stuck on the tracks. it happens. the driver of the truck did escape from the cabin in time.
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the train engineer and conductor were injured. 27 carps derailed on sunday. that train that was involved in that crash was not carrying crude oil. it was carrying pressurized argone gas because that gas could have exploded and about 50 houses were evacuated. ers quote we're lucky it was not an oil train we get ten times a day. if it had been an oil train we would have had a fire and fatalities. thank god it wasn't one of the ten times a day oil trains. the police chief said that's common place becoming the norm. >> this is the third or fourth one in the last two years. >> earlier this summer, the u.s. transportation deputy announced new rules for oil trains giving the oil by rail industry up to
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two years to phase out the old dangerous oil cars and replace them with safer ones less likely to blow up in a derailment. last week the oil by rail industry said they will fight the rule and said what they want is seven years to phase out the old dangerous cars. they want to keep the old cars as that are for seven more years. because, you know, what's the rush? everything is going fine as is. then there's trusting your vehicle maintenance to ford service confidence. our expertise, technology, and high quality parts means your peace of mind. it's no wonder last year we sold over three million tires. and during the big tire event, get up to $140 in mail-in rebates on four select tires. ♪ get to the terminal across town. are all the green lights you?
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basically fortold that the supreme court might do this. they might lead same-sex marriage up to the lower courts to decide unless the lower outs suddenly started deciding ways that contradicted each other and the supreme court had to weigh in. in the midst interview, the moderator interviewing sort of praised her for her social media presence and how much people love her. >> all of you after this lecture should go out and look at the blog the notorious -- >> kempler -- [ laughter ] [ applause ] >> the moderator there is praising her for being a social media rock star. after this lecture you should go out and look at the blog that has been created for her which is called notorious rbg.
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in that moment all 81 years of her corrects the moderator and says actually, it's not a blog, it's a tumbler. so yes, there is a jennifer lawrence wants stronger laws to go after people who stole her private pictures and former defense secretary leon panetta wishes president obama had made some different choices. >> i think we would be in a much better position if we had left the presence in iraq. >> former secretary of defense, leon panetta says, if no one else will put boots on the ground, the u.s. will have to do
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