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how do you think about your what your legacy will be? >> i think our legacy will be we made it possible for the country to be very strong and to have the best quality of life in general of any place in the world. >> and you don't think that history is going to look poorly on the things you've said? >> i think that the history will look upon it as what we needed to do. coal miners didn't go out and try to destroy the environment. they were providing energy for a country that needed the energy. >> it's not the country. >> good evening, chris. wow. and thanks to you at home for joining us this hour. we've got a big show tonight. there's lots to do tonight, including about this.gavñ that just incredible footage, something that happened in louisiana. it's got a very uncomfortable connection, unfortunately, to this, which just happened today 234 canada. so we've got that story coming up tonight.
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also, tonight, we've got elizabeth warren here live for the interview. that's coming up live in just a few minutes. there's a big show. a lot going on. but we're starting tonight with breaking news on a national security issue. the f.b.i. has taken the unusual step today of asking the american public for help about isis. specifically, the f.b.i. is asking for help in trying to identify this man. that was a propaganda video released a couple weeks ago. the individual that you're looking at right here, he's wearing military-style camouflaged fatigues. this man is believed by u.s. security officials to be north american. they think he's an american citizen, possibly a canadian citizen who traveled overseas to join the fight with isis and then appeared in this video. i should tell you as a general rule, we here at msnbc and nbc news, we do not typically play extended clips of isis pron
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began da visit owes, but in this case, there's a specific reason to. the government has taken the unusual step of reposting just under a two-minute long section of that long video. it's a video that's almost an hour in length. the f.b.i. has excerpted a portion that's just under two minutes long and posted it on the f.b.i. web site and asked americans to watch it, specifically because they're trying to gather tips from the american public about who that masked man is. yes, he's wearing a mask. but they believe that somebody may be able to figure out who he is. >> we are here in the 17th division military base just outside the city of oracka. and we're here with the soldiers of bashad.
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you can see them now digging their own graves in the very place that they were stationed. >> again, that's a portion of the isis video that was posted online at the f.b.i. web site tonight. later on in the portion that the f.b.i. posted, they don't show it graphically, but they show enough to show that this man goes onto participate in this murder of some of those who are reported to be syrian government soldiers who you saw behind him introducing there in that clip. and, as you can hear in the clip, the gentleman speaking here, does appear to have an american accent, at least a north american accent. u.s. officials tell nbc news it could be a canadian accent. at this point, they don't know who he is or where he's frm. but there's enough to identify him in this clip and they're seeking any information that they can get from the public. the f.b.i. also released this wanted poster.
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this weekend, the director of the f.b.i., james comey, he addressed the threat posed by americans traveling overseas to join the fight with isis. he told them the f.b.i. knows dozens oaf so that are fighting with syria. tell the f.b.i. any information they have about any american who is planning to travel to syria to fight with isis who may have traveled there already. any information, they say no bit of information is too small. but, again, tonight, they have expanded on that specifically towards this one target. they apparently believe that this is one of those dozen or so americans or north americans who have joined the fight with isis. he's seen killing people in this propaganda video.
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the f.b.i. has been analyzing this piece of tape for weeks now. it's pat of the investigation. they've taken the remarkable step to reaching out to the american public on their web site in this hopes that somebody can identify. joining me now is justice correspondent pete williams. how unusual is it for the f.b.i. to take a case like this to the public. obviously, we all know about the ten most wanted lists. specifically on a counter terrorism case, we have no con takts with at this point. >> it's not the first time they've had help in identifying suspected help in f.b.i. overseas. they posted pictures from the
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surveillance attack if you see any of the pictures there. the unfortunate fact is it can be done now. it's a way of taking the isis propaganda tool and now trying to use the tool against the terror group by rex newsing the voices. the f.b.i. didn't feel there was much to be gained by simply playing the audio of the narrator. nay do show extended excerpts
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from that video. they say we're not only asking for tips on who this guy is, but we're also asking for help from the public in identifying anyone else in america that people suspect might be planning to go over seas to commit jihad or have recently come back. it's a reflection of, i think, the fact that more of these videos are out there and isis produces all of its materials in english specifically to appeal to westerners and, especially americans. but it's also a reflection of the fact that this is one of the f.b.i.'s biggest concerns about people who go join up isis and then come back. >> in the f.b.i. press release, they noted that an isis fighter with a british accent was seen in previous propaganda videos and they note that it has been
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reported that the identity of that british-accented isis fight ere may be known to british authorities. that he may have been identified. there's been some american officials that indicated that british accented fighter is, as well. is there any indication that knowing who these guys are helps fight isis in any way? or at least helps track down any risk that they may pose back to their home countries? >> two points about that. one is the f.b.i. director himself has told us that both he and the u.s. are confident that they know who that british man is. but, secondly, if they can figure out who these people are, even if they can't get at them in syria or iraq or where ever they are, a, it may help them track them down using all the methods that you can probably conjure up in your own mind that needn't be any further explained here. but, secondly, if they have some comforts in knowing who they
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are, they can try to figure out who they might be in contact with in the u.s. they can try to talk to their friends and relatives. what was it that radicalized them. do they tend to come back? any information that they can get will be extremely valuable, they say. >> pete williams, thank you for helping us understand this tonight. i really appreciate it. >> the breaking news tonight that the f.b.i. has posted on its web site just under a two-minute section. the overall video is about 55 minutes long. they show a shorter section that highlights a north american or a canadian accent. he sorts of transitions between fluent arabic and fluent edge learn. they're asking for the public at large to watch that tape, see if you see anything that you recognize or you might know who that is. they say no tip is too small. it is interesting the point that people made there, that there aid peer to be two american
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accents or at least north american accents on that. and then the other one is the clip that was focused on in the f.b.i. web site where you can both see the person wearing the mask and hear his voice at the same time. the f.b.i. choosing to focus on that second man, presumably because they believe something about the combination of hearing his voice and seeing him at the same time may make it possible for somebody to identify him. it does, given the technical sophistication of these isis propaganda videos, it does raise the question as to whether or not his voice has electronically altered in terms of the way we hear it on that video. the fact that the f.b.i. is coming to dlekt the public on this is a remarkable new development on this fight against isis. we've got lots more ahead tonight, including senator elizabeth warren here for the interview. stay with us. will that be all, sir?
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i don't want to tell you guys your job, but... policies without the price tags. now, that's progressive. well, this is moving fast. watch how fast this is going. a as of this weekend, this is where same-sex marriage was legal in this country. d.c. plus these 19 states. then, yesterday morning, when the supreme court turned down a whole bunch of appeals all at once, that decision instantly added five more states. so, yesterday, we went from those five initial states and add add oklahoma, i believed ya that, utah and wisconsin. oh, but, wait, there's more. because of the way that the
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supreme court decided yesterday, because they decided by letting lower court rulings stand, those lower-court rulings mean that same-sex marriage is legal in all of the other states that those courts have jurisdiction in. so yesterday we started with 19 states and directly added five more. but now, these other six states, which are under the same jurisdictions of those lower courts, these six are now also in the process of legalizing same-sex marriage at the same time. so you can also at colorado, kansas, north carolina, south carolina, west virginia and wyoming. oh, but, wait, there's mr. today, another one of those courts ruled that state bans against same-sex marriage was unconstitutional. so we put back up the score card there. today's ruling, from the ninth circuit, directly overthrew the anti-gay marchage ban in two
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more states. so they directly legalized same-sex marriage in idaho and nevada. but the ruling also applied to all the other states in that circuit as well which currently ban marriage. so in addition to idaho and nevada being added today, you can also add these three more. montana, alaska, arizona. unless the supreme court takes it up, which they won't, will also legalize same-sex marriage in alaska, montana and arizona. in the course of 36 hours, we have gone from the same sex marriage being legal where they're either legal or in the process of becoming legal in very short order in almost the whole country. 65 pbt of the population. wow, that was fast. it's now easier to count the number of states where marriage
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rights were not equal. and then than it is to count it all the other way. and it all happened in 36 hours. republicans like ted cruz and texas and mike lee and tom tillson in north carolina, they're all mashing their teeth about this. but avenue foot fighting like this, we're stimwaiting on it all at once. but, honestly, if you're waiting with baited breath for that result, it's because you're not paying attention to the movement of higs ri right now. so on that issue, on that one part of the law about our rights in this country, the courts are just racing ahead right now. it's happening all over the country, even where you wouldn't expect it and it's just happening now. boom.
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>> the day before that, june 25th last year, the day before the big gay rights ruling, that same supreme court took a sledge hammer to voting rights in this country. they struck down the five appointed conservative justices in that case and argued that discrimination was a thing of the past. it was something we no longer needed federal protections against states discriminating in the way they let people vote. that was sort of a lovely, feel good fairy tale.
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>> the idea of a no longer contested territory is bull puckey. but since 2010, since the last big term election in which they won control of state governments all across the country, 18 sdimpbt republican-controlled states have changed the law to make it harder to vote. conservatives on the supreme court explaped that we don't need to worry about voting rights being restricted anymore. that was all in the past. and they explained that at the exact moment that voting rights are being restricted more than at any other time in the last couple of generations. so gutting voting rights on a tuesday, and then the next day, wednesday, they had their big gay rights dgsz. it was a very confusing time. but, now, more than a year later, we are still reaping the whirlwind of that very confusing time in american rights. because right now, as we've got
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this lightning progress from the supreme court and the lower federal courts on marriage rights, as that's just steaming across the country at the exact same time that's happening, wo're now one month out from the elections. that's the kind of voter fraud that would be put off by voter id. once republicans got control of the state legislature, they passed a new law in 2011 that blocks you from voting in wisconsin unless you have an id. unless you bring specific documentation which hundreds of thousands of residents do not have.
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just to give you a sense of the scale of what they're doing, he won by about 125,000 votes. the estimates prepared for the courts as to how many legal wisconsin voters don't have the id to show that you need to vote in wisconsin anymore. the range is, at the low end, 160,000. at the high end, about 370,0 0. he only won by 125,000 votes. you think i e it might make a difference? i mean, most of the people without id, let's be honest, are people who are poor, people who live relatively trans yents lives, people who are disproportionately from minority populations. you take somewhere between 160,00,370,00 of those voters, no democrat will ever win wisconsin again. at least not stay a while. so that's what wisconsin republicans passed in 2011.
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for obvious resumes, it was quickly blocked by the courts. all year this year, it's been blocked by the courts sending out thousands and thousands and thousands of absentee bhal lots. for people planning on voting in wisconsin, they've already sent their ballots. and they've said nothing about this volter id requirement because it had been on hold for yores in the courts. and then things got totally nuts. even though the ballots have already been sent out, people are already voting, a federal appealings court decided to jump in and say that they can start enforcing that law right now in the middle of the election after people have already started voting. so, now, in wisconsin, they're traxing down all the absentee ballot votes to tell them actually, the rules for voting in this election are different than they ever been before.
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so they're trying to track down all of those people. their voting is done and their vote will count. their civic duty has been discharged vm. >> that the voter may or may not have and they would not have to show their vote this time before they already voted. that chaos is underway right now in we will. the state government has decided
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that no money will be directed to state agencies understand the new law, to help state workers comply with the new law or to let anybody know that this change has happened in the middle of the election. this sort of good government group inside wisconsin is called the government accountability board. they asked the ledge slayture if they could please have half a million tlars to run an ad campaign between now and november 4th, letting everybody know about these new rules that had never been used before. the republican controlled state legislature issued a hearing to say that they considered that request. that hearing was due to happen today. bud then they cancelled it.
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is there's no money to educate anybody in the state and no plans to let anybody know that anything has changed between now and election day. what could possibly go wrong? if you're starting to feel like this isn't going wrong and it's going the way they want it to go, that's because you've been paying attention to recent history. remember that the conservative group afp, in wisconsin that year, they sent out mailers with absentee ballot applications.
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in 2012, the hard-fought presidential election in wisconsin, black and latino sections of milwaukee wisconsin mysteriously got 85 of these very scary billboards anonymously posted by some private family foundation. the billboards just in poor, minority neighborhoods threatening 3 1/2 years in prison and $10,000 in fine if you vote wrong in wisconsin. are you sure it's worth the risk? you could go to jail. and then this year's elections chlts it's the federal appeals court. for thousands of people, they're changing the rules right in the middle of the election. and there's no state plan to even pretend to try to make it
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work. 5:00 p.m. eastern time today was the deadline for the state of wisconsin to tell the supreme court of the united states why the supreme court should not weigh in here on this mess. the five judges who all voted to intervene and institute this new law and change in the middle of wisconsin, all of those five justices who made this happen were all judges appointed by republicans. the one justice in the supreme court was appointed to the supreme court by president obama. obviously, nobody knows want elena kagan or the supreme court are going to do here.
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there are other issue pgs, like, say on voting. four weeks before this hugely important election. right now, in lots of places in our country, it is just chaos, judicially imposed cay yosz. joining me now is democratic state senator john irpenbach of wisconsin. senator, it's nice the see you again. thank you for being back with us. >> my pleasure. >> an emergency motion asking to stay yesterday's decision. where do you stand in terms of whether they're going to implement this new election or wisconsin is going to get a reprieve here. >> i personally hope we get a reprieve on the raw.
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what we need to do is take up how angry we are about the whole process and turn it into action which we hopefully will talk about in a little bit. but you're right. hopefully, she will, basically, tell wisconsin to sit this one out. just go ahead and vote the way you formally would vote. there are people who voted in august who wouldn't be able to vote in the general election coming up in about 28 days, simply because they do not have an idea where a couple of months ago, you didn't need one to vote. >> some people have already, obviously, as you said, some people voted in the primary, can't, under the new law, vote in the general election. some people have voted in the jeb general election, but they didn't vote according to the any rules. do you get the sense that the new rules are a factor in terms of whether or not people are deciding if they're going to vote, deciding if they're going to get ininvolved. is there confusion on the ground there a day-to-day way. >> there's confusion of what id
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would count, what id would rnt en't count. we got a call to our office this past week that's from a mom trying to get an id for her son. some people are goirng to say the heck with it and stay home. our job, my job, as an elected official is to make sure that people understand that this is possible to do. obviously, people are up set and out raged about this but we can take that anger and turn it to the polls and get enough people poll watching the day of the election throughout the state of wisconsin. it's really confusing and frustrating in wisconsin. >> thanks fr helping us understand this. i knew that this was sort of happening at a surface level when i started looking into those legal briefs. today, i could not believe how many people this affects in your state. just a remarkable story. thanks, senator, nice the see
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you. >> senator elizabeth warren is going to be here for the interview straight ahead. and this's there. >> yeah, another disaster in an american town involving trains hauling hazardous materials. we've got more on that story including some incredible context. stay with us.
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so the interview tonight is the democratic national senator. she has been in office as a senator for less than two years. but if you are running for senate in west virginia this year, if you are running for senate in oregon this year, if you are running in minnesota this year or let's say you're running in colorado this year or let's say you're running for senate in kentucky or michigan, yes, if you're looking to unseat the top republican in the senate mitch mcconnell by beating him in his home state of kentucky, the the senator you're calling
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on is the same senator they're calling on in those other states, too. red states and blue states. elizabeth warren. she is the democratic senator putting the spine in the exclamation point. it makes this as good a time as in to see if democratic voters are going to show up for her. senator, it's great to see you. thanks very much for joining us tonight. >> conventional wisdom in washington is that the president's party always loses hugely in the midterms and in midterm elections, democratic voters do not like to show up.
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do you think that's warranted for feeling around the country? >> no, i don't. this is an election about who side you stand on. it comes up with very, very specific ways. this is a big difference between democrats and republicans. democrats believe is that no one should work full time and leave in poverty. that's why we're out there fighting against the minimum wage. student loans. democratics believe the united states government should not be making a profit off the backs of our kids. that is fundamentally wrong when they're trying to get an education. and, yet, when we tried to pass a bill to reduce the interest rate, the republicans
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filibustered it in the united states. equal pay for equal work. i still cannot believe that we have to talk about this in 2014. the democrats want to change that and say you can't be fired just for asking. and i've got to give you one more. the democrats believe that it is not your employer's business what kind of birth control you use. and, yet, when we want to move forward on a bill that says exactly that, the republicans say no. these are pretty clear choices. they're choices that define who we are as a country.
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this is for people who need not 77 cents on the dollar, but people who need equal pay for equal work. that's what's at stake in this 2014 election. and i think we get out there and make our case. that's what our candidates did. people here, we go to the polls, that's what democracy is all ab. >> you raised the issue of minimum wage first. obviously, that's something that the democrats and the president have championed. but it's on the ballot in a really specific way, arkansas, nebraska, south dakota, do you think that has expanded some of the races? those voters are going to be voting on the minimum wage. do you think it will make more people turn out? >> i certainly hope so. but do understand me on this. i recall want people to turn out. i believe in democracy. i believe in giving people
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access to voting, on expanded access to voting, i want to protect voting rights. i think that when people get a chance to hear what the issues are about and get a chance to vote, we truly will move this country in the right direction. but voting is where it starts. people have to have access to the ballot box. that's key. >> i beg your pardon, i just had a coughing fit. i'm not crying because i've been moved to tears, i'm crying because i'm coughing. forgive me, senator. >> that's all right. >> on the issue of senator mitch mcconnell in particular, senator mcconnell has a really tough race against lynn grimes. >> i certainly hope so. >> a lot of people saying elizabeth warren going to kentucky? is she too liberal? will it make her look more lib ram than she actually is.
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>> alison grimes and i do not agree on every issue. she's a strong and ind pen dent woman. but on key issues about fighting for working families, on key issues about giving people a fighting chance, alison grimes is really out there. right now, there are $1.2 trillion outstanding debt. you can reduce your interest rate by refinancing on your home mortgage, on your business loans even on your car loan. but there's no way right now to do that on student loans on these federally guaranteed student loans. and just to pick one little slice, the student loans that went out between 2007 and 20012
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are right now on target after you adjust for the cost of the funds, that slice of loans is on target to produce $66 billion in profit. for the united states government. we want to reduce the rate on student loans. that's what alison grimes wants to do. do you know who killed that bill? mitch mcconnell. he's the one who led the feegt. he said no, no, no. we can't reduce the interest rate on student loans because to do that, we have to find a way to pay for it. and the way we suggested to pay for it is how much stitching up some of the tax loopholes so that millionaires and billionaires pay at least as much in taxes as middle class families. mitch mcconnell said flatly no and led the fight to kill the student loan bill.
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so for me, there's the clear choice. alison grimes doesn't believe we should put an extra tax on their backs. mitch mcconnell said no, it's far more important to protect tax loopholes for billionaires than it is to help our students. those are the kinds of koiss that are in front of people for the 2014 races. i think that alison is going to make a good, strong case in kentucky and i hope she beats mech mcconnell with it. >> thanks for helping us understand your take on it. >> thank you. and aapologize for having a coughing fit in the middle of that. i've been fighting this cold all week, really, it has to burst forth on tv while i'm talking to elizabeth warren?
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yes, of course it does. in wisconsin, senator warren is going to be campaigning this weekend for mary burke who is facingoff against republican governor scott walker as he's fighting his re-election effort there. she's going to be 234 wisconsin with mary burke this weekend, too. all right, we'll be right back. stay with us. you wouldn't do half
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today, at about 7:30 a.m. local time, a freight train derailed in saskatchewan in canada. the train was carrying a number of hazardous materials, including hydro caloric acid. the train derailed, there was a huge explosion that followed, a massive fire that came from the petroleum distillate that spilled on the tracks. people living in the nearby town of claire were evacuated. people with farms in the area it's unclear what caused the derailment, but the transportation safety board there has dispatched an investigative team. this sort of accident is becoming sort of a habit, a bad habit. in november, in alabama, these rail cars derailed and blew up, caused an explosion the lead to the release of 750,000 gallons of crude oil. in december, a mile-long oil train derailed and exploded in castleton, north dakota, just
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outside of fargo. that derailment and huge explosion forced the evacuation of two-thirds of that town. this spring, it happened in lynchberg, virginia, another oil train derailed. its tanker cars exploded. they leaked their flaming toxic contents into the james river in lynchberg. but this one today, it happened in canada, not in the u.s. and although canadian and u.s. rail are pretty well integrated, particularly when it comes to this huge new number of oil trains, a big derailment and explosion like this one in canada today, it hits a lot of still very raw nerves, because of the huge canadian disaster last summer in quebec. an oil train derailment that killed 47 people and the huge explosion that wiped out nearly half the center of that town. that disaster spurred the canadian government to take action. they passed new reforms, including facing out older model tank cars that are commonly used to transport crude oil. since today's derailment shows accidents do happen, so making the cars safer might be the thing that saves us all.
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this is louisiana. about 120 miles east of shreveport. there's a village there calledmer rouge. >> what town are we in? holy mother -- ohh! oh, my god. tell me he got out. just tell me he got out. >> that crash happened when a transport truck got stuck on the tracks. it happens. the driver of the truck did escape from his truck cab in time. he was not hurt. the train engineer and conductor were both injured in that crash. two engines and 17 cars out of that 8-car train derailed inmer rouge on sunday.
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that train was not carrying crude oil. it was carrying pressurized argon gas, because that gas could have exploded in its tanker cars, about 50 houses in the area were evacuated. the mayor of mer rouge told local reporters after the crash, quote, we're lucky it wasn't one of our oil trains that we get ten times a day. if it had been an oil train, we would have had a fire and then we would have had a fatalities. thank god it wasn't one of our ten times a day oil trains. the police chief says that train derailments in that area are very commonplace, they're becoming the norm. >> this is mer rouge. we're pretty much notable for our train crashes. this is the third or fourth one in the last two years. >> earlier this summer, the u.s. transportation department announced new rules for oil trains, giving the oil by rail industry up to two years to phase out the old, dangerous oil cars and replace them with safer ones that are less likely to blow up in derailment. last week, the oil by rail industry said they're going to fight that new rule.
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they said that what they want is seven years to phase out the old dangerous cars. they want to keep the old cars as they are, for seven more years. because, you know, what's the rush. everything's going fine, as is.
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okay. best new thing in the world. it's not actually new, but i think that we are the first ones to find it. when the supreme court made their surprise decision yesterday to let stand all those gay marriage rulings from lower courts, we kept hearing that ruth bader ginsburg had given fair warning a month ago that the court might do this. so we went back into the news archives from last month. and it's true. last month at the university of minnesota, ruth bader ginsburg was interviewed on stage as part of a guest lecture series, and during that event, justice ginsburg basically foretold that the supreme court might do this. they might leave same-sex marriage up to the lower courts to decide, unless those lower courts suddenly started deciding ways that contradicted each
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other and the supreme court had to weigh in. in the midst of that interview about this very important matter that ended up coming before the court and being decided in this big, surprising way yesterday. in the midst of that, the moderator interviewing ruth bader begins ginsberg praised her for her social media presence and how much people love her. >> all of you, after this lecture, should go out and look at the blog, the notorious -- >> templar. >> templar. >> the moderator there is praising her for being a social media rock star. he says, after this lecture, you should go out and look at the blog that has been created for her. ruth bader ginsburg in that moment, all 81 years of her, corrects the moderator and says, actually, it's not a blog, it's a tumblr. so, yes, there is a blog out
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there, that is praising ruth bader ginsburg as notorious rbg, but if you don't know the difference between a blog and a tumblr, it's because you are not as hip and with it as 81-year-old ruth bader ginsburg. . good wednesday morning. isis bears down on the turkish border while the fbi wants help "american idol"ing possible isis fighters. a routine traffic stop in indiana turns violent. it's all caught on camera. more on 2014's most powerful storm. and j. law says those cowering with pictures should cower in shame. isis is trying to identify a man possibly from the utz seen in isis video t. man seen here speaks in english and arabic. investigators say his