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home. >> now we got a series. >> we got ourselves a series and got lucky little players from a show me state. >> very nice. good morning everyone. >> a missouri series. >> oh, gosh. >> the royals. >> what's intolerable. >> why do you hate real america? >> all missouri world series. drive rating through the ceiling. >> it's not about ratings. it's about love of the game. >> i know the royals. i'm for the royals. go royals. >> we have msnbc contributor and associate professor at column university school of national public affairs, dorian warren. >> they lost victor cruz for the series. tore up his knee.

>> what about the jets. they won. >> no. peyton manning and the broncos came here to new york. went up pretty big. jets made a run to come back. >> any big game yesterday like stood out? >> probably the eagles beating the giants. eagles are 5-1. cowboys are 5-1. >> let's get to the news. health officials are warning more cases of ebola are possible after it was transmitted for the first time ever in the united states. a health care worker in dallas tested positive for ebola after treating the liberiian national. she was not observed for possible symptoms. she developed a low fever on friday and quickly put in isolation. another person in contact with her is being monitored. innexted worker wore a protective suit and they are investigating how a breach may have occurred. >> we don't know what occurred

in the care of the index patient, the original patient in dallas. but at some point there was a breach in protocol, and that breach in protocol resulted in this infection. it is possible that other individuals were exposed. we know that this individual did provide care to the index patient on multiple occasions, and that care included extensive contact. >> meanwhile the nation's largest nurse's union is criticizing hospitals for not being fully prepared to treat the ebola virus or educating their employees. in west africa a businessman is being praised for helping one district in sierra leone remain ebola freeby limiting travel. the plans include requiring residents to vouch for visitors and guards taking temperatures at checkpoints. we'll talk to author of that "the washington post" article in a few minute. >> basically implemented a

quarantine. this one district. >> completely ebola free. controversial, but effective. we'll talk about that in just a moment. but first this was big news when it broke yesterday morning about this next case of ebola in dallas, the nurse. let's bring in former white house adviser for health policy dr. ezekiel emanuel. >> this is not going according to plan. there are breaches in protocol. dr. kent brantley first american doctor contracted ebola saying he still doesn't know how he got it. they prepared a month ahead of time to do everything right. he still got ebola. here in dallas a woman that wore all the protective gear she still has ebola. people coming on -- kind of like the airline industry is always

saying, you know what, the plane crashed it had to be pilot's error. no. >> it's very worrisome as tom frieden said yesterday. probably although not for sure is taking off the protective gear. i remember when we started taking off some of the protective gear around hiv/aids there was a lot of mistakes. it requires being very vigilante and careful. this is very contagious and that's the big problem. it's by touching, obviously, very contagious. we'll have to look at all the processes. i think it might not be a stupid idea to have cameras when people are taking the gear off to make sure and to look, you know, more importantly where are the common mistakes and try to redesign the standards of care to avoid those common things. i would also say in this patient, they had intubated the

patient on a respirator. once you have organ failure will you get the patient back or just infecting more health care workers. >> you mentioned tom frieden the head of the cdc. he said over the weekend that there probably will be more cases of ebola, it's likely we'll see that. will that be the result of breaches of protocol which is what looks like happened in this case. how else will we see more cases in the united states? >> again, to remind everyone, you're not able to transmit ebola without symptoms. they have been very careful about monitoring the symptoms and having the health care workers and others monitor their temperature. so, that is -- you can't say it's zero but pretty unlikely. the breaches of protocol seem to be the most likely. not so much breaches of protocol

it's in the implementation of the protocol where you can have a problem. that's most likely -- trying to set expectations there, but this is -- i mean it's rare but obviously not unheard of event and it is worrisome and i think redoubling the efforts and again looking at every step of the way to get rid of the ones where mistakes are most likely to happen is probably the really important element here of trying to contain this. as we've seen in other places like nigeria you can eliminate this and contain the problem. >> a few weeks before the mid-terms. a new poll shows hillary clinton has work to do in iowa if she decides to run for president for 2016. >> shocking. >> i'm surprised. bloomberg "des moines register" poll shows potential republican opponents in strong standing in a head-to-head match-up mitt romney leads the former

secretary of state by one point. romney's former running mate, paul ryan trailing hillary by one point. three points separate clinton and rand paul. and she's five points ahead of new jersey chris christie. iowa has not always been kind to clinton. she limped into third place in iowa during the presidential race in 2008. >> john, pretty remarkable that hillary clinton over the past three, four, five, six months has dropped as much as she had. now mitt romney seeing this poll, she's in basically dead lock with rand paul within the margin of error. chris christie, jeb bush don't fare as well. that's news as well. from the establishment said of the ledger. mitt romney has one more reason to listen to the advisors and contributors who are begging him to get in this race. >> you hit a bunch of high points. this is the first time anyone has tested with likely 2016

general election voters in iowa head-to-head match up like this. first time anybody has done it. first time iowa poll is the thing we're partnered with. gold standard out there. the fact that she, she obviously has 100% name recognition. everyone knows her in iowa in the same way everyone knows president obama. you put her up against mitt romney that has 100% name recognition. the fact that mitt romney is ahead of her in a purple state is significant. and then you look at rand paul. someone who is not presumably not nearly as well-known as hillary clinton, he's within striking distance is very surprising. paul ryan very well known. she clearly is not by any means the prohibitive favorite to win the general election in a purple state and this pump tell state at this point. >> while we're in iowa, dorian, joni ernst the demonstrate and bruce braley are a point apart.

both are bringing in big names. mitt romney drew major crowds for joni ernst. while the first lady campaigned alongside joni ernst's opponent she struggled to remember braley's name. >> we need to elect leaders like bruce bailey. think how many precincts all of us could swing for bruce bailey if we roll up our shreves and got serious about these issues. you can go to vote dot bruce bailey.com. that's votebrewsbailey.com. braley? what did i say? i'm losing it. i'm getting old. >> i went to that. bruce bailey site. >> meanwhile "the washington

post" alexandria lab gives republicans a 95% chance of retaking the senate, a far higher confidence level than the "new york times." or 538. a new nbc news "wall street journal" poll shows while more people want a democratically controlled congress, that registered democratic voters are less interested in mid-term than their republican counterparts. >> let's talk about the poll on joni ernst. what did you see inside of that thing? >> what you see the last time that the iowa poll was done by the register, she was up six in that race. and so that race has tightened a lot where they are dead even. it looks like bruce braley has closed -- the poll was only taken a few weeks ago. he's closed the gap there. she's gone up a little bit. he's gone up a lot more.

they are in a dead heat. >> a lot of people saying iowa could decide who controls the senate. >> democrats and republicans alike, they will say the same thing that race is a togs ss up race. >> 95% "the washington post" is giving the republicans for take over the senate. now it may happen. i get in trouble when i was talking about the guy who left the "new york times," i forget his name and where he went, but he was talking about a couple of years ago, 78.4974% chance that romney was going to lose. i mean it's so far out for the "post." 95% chance that republicans are going to take over the senate? there's so many moving parts. i think that's just as silly as what i was hearing two years ago. again, it may turn out to be right. but saying that three weeks out

just seems kind of crazy. >> you're saying it almost certainty the senate will flip. within five percentage points. if you look at iowa, you look at places like north carolina, you look at louisiana, there are all these races that although not as much of a toss up as iowa. >> arkansas. >> you look across the map there are too many thing up in the air now. it's certainly well within the realm of possibility that president obama is now facing a republican senate and republican house for the final two years of his administration. >> i think it's odd in the context of what's happened in the last week. think of the recent developments, kansas a possibility for a democratic pick up. south dakota suddenly up for grabs. georgia looking better for democrats. it's odd that poll, that model gets you to 95% given the news of recent days. >> i think that's right in the sense -- last week a lot of political scientists released their annual, every two years,

every four years predictions and almost all of them senate will fall into republican hands. these are pretty good models of predicting elections. no one is 100% right. it's a 95% confidence interval. it looks very likely republicans will take back the senate. it's not perfect. a lot of things can change. based on what we know all the factors that go into mid-term elections it's pretty clear, i can say with lots of confidence it looks good for republicans. >> what's your number, dorian. >> somewhere around 89, 90. >> i'm at 50. >> you're more optimistic for the president to maintain control of the senate. >> or pessimistic. really quickly we'll be talking about isis throughout the day. my gosh, reports this morning that they are on the verge of actually moving into western baghdad, the anbar province totally taken over.

this military operation right now, you have to judge it as a complete failure so far, wouldn't you >> i don't know if it's complete failure. i'm not sure they will overtake baghdad. but it's raising questions what is our strategy, is it a failing strategy. there needs questions asked again in congress about whether this is the appropriate strategy. will we need troops on the ground? are drone strikes working? is the air attack the only strategy that's possible here? do we need actually to send it combat troops? >> still ahead on "morning joe" we got a big joe coming up including developments in the football hazing case. several players facing criminal charges. >> i can't believe how bad that was. >> parents are still pushing back. plus a new ad in texas by wendy davis. i don't know. i think she went too far with the wheelchair. yeah. we'll speak with congressman michael burgess whose district

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♪ so they have the pictures -- is that the picture of the nurse that got ebola. "new york post." >> "daily news." >> the "daily news." >> let's take a look at the morning papers. >> always on top of the story.

thank you. the "post" a little bit tougher on sad sack man. what is wrong with the giants? >> they had a good run. won three in a row and then were exposed last night by a very good eagles team. >> another big health story in the news and we'll start with "detroit free press." a michigan toddler passed away on friday from the enterovirus 68. the 21-month-old had been on life support since september after contracting the dangerous virus. so far the disease has been identified in 45 states. this marks the second child to have directly died as a result of the enterovirus. >> the international business times, national security adviser susan rice says the united states does not believe there's been a transfer of power in north korea even though kim jong-un hasn't been seen in five weeks. rice says the u.s. is watching north korea carefully as rumors

continue to swirl about kim's whereabouts. he was absent from an event commemorating the anniversary of the founding of north korea's worker's party last week. he has not been seen publicly since september 3rd. >> "usa today" has an update on california's drought which is hurting much of the state's agriculture but in some ways it's helping the wine industry. the drier weather means an earlier harvest before the autumn storm season. less chance the grapes will mold. the grapes will be smaller with more concentrated flavors. still there are draw backs too. it takes several gallons of water to produce just a single glass of wine. right. >> wow. >> good for the wine business. >> bad for 50 million people. >> but for your cabernet. >> exactly. >> dallas morning news newly released dash cam footage shows a bizarre car chase. it happened late last month when a hospital patient stoll an

ambulance from a medical center in dallas. as police gave chase video shows the driver repeatedly stopping at red lights. at one point the driver stops at a light for a minute-and-a-half. the driver was taken into custody presumably. >> let's go the "los angeles times." people in a pair of california towns are on edge after sightings of sinister looking clowns on city streets. photos of a creepy looking clown started popping up in the community of wasco. it's rumored he's part of an ort project. but there's reports of 16 other clowns wielding weapons in the bakersfield area. police are vowing an arrest. >> they are creepy anyway. >> i'm not a clown person. >> i think they need to be anti-clown gangs going around, pushing back.

>> what's up clown? >> i would bully these clowns. >> willie, this is crazy. the state of mississippi, like in the top three. mississippi state number one for the first time ever. ole miss number three. this is crazy stuff. >> mississippi state had a big win on saturday. mississippi keeps winning too. they can win out which will be very difficult because it's the sec. that game they call the egg bowl every year, could be national championship game. >> of course, right behind mississippi, vanderbilt at number four. >> we had a big win on saturday. we knocked out charleston southern. >> holy cow. >> all right. coming up -- >> 1,478 people screaming. >> one reporter's right to keep

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♪ all right. joining us for the must read opinion pages, washington anchor for bbc world news america, katty kay. good to have you. first we'll do "the new yorker." ebola's fear factor by michael specter. diseases that get the most attention and cause the greater anxiety are those that cost the most lives. fewer than 1,000 people died in the 2003 sars epidemic but cost to the global economy was almost $40 billion. there will be more cases of ebola in the u.s. but unless something remarkably unlikely develops such as a mutation that makes it easier for the virus to spread the epidemic can be stopped. one day a virus that matches our

sense of doom may come along. until then we need to rely on data and evidence not theatrics or fear. >> i find it fascinating, people love to come out -- if you ask any questions about being aggressive and just don't go along with thaerlt official that does the chief wigam, nothing to see here. if you ask any tough questions and suddenly you're trying to get people to panic and trying to play into the politics of fear. well, there are times to be afraid. >> i would say this is one. >> there are times to be fearful. i wish george w. bush had been more fearful of the warnings they had given about terrorists wanting to use planes to attack the united states of america in 2001. i wish george w. bush was more fearful about a lot of the warnings given to him about the iraq war. i wish barack obama had been more fearful about the warnings

of people saying you'll leave a power vacuum in iraq that will cause a lot of trouble. i wish barack obama with been more fearful of the warnings he heard time and again about syria. sometimes fear is an appropriate response. i don't know about you guys, but i don't wake up at 2:00 in the morning and like not motivated to work harder the next day by -- i don't know, warm and fuzzy feeling. fear drives us. and, you know, yesterday morning when this news broke, a lot of americans were fearful. they said wait a second, visitors did everything the cdc told them to do and this nurse now has ebola. they screwed up again. now they are making more people out there that are infected. dr. kent brantley, i said this before, dr. kent brantley, who worked in west africa, worked in the facility that had prepared for a month to do everything right still, all these months

later does not know how he contracted ebola. and katty kay, the more i hear health officials saying nothing to worry about, don't panic, we got everything under control here, and then we have a nursing spain with ebola, we have a nursing dallas with ebola, and we have these cases that seem to be dotting the landscape. the more i say well do they really know what they are doing and should we sit back like we sat back for the past 20 years and just not worry? take everything at face value that oh, they got this under control so i don't have to worry about things. >> look, clearly the case in spain and case in dallas are interesting because it seems two nurses contracted ebola in a similar way, while they were taking off their suits and for some reason they touched a part of their body. the nursing spain touched her face with the gloves taken off and it's very easy clearly for this virus to spread.

but on the other hand, you know, you have to keep the fear in proportion with the reality which is that we have a health care system which when the protocols are followed completely by the letter, probably has the capacity to contain the spread of this virus. you're looking at somewhere in sierra leone where there are five infections every single hour of ebola and numbers of people are dying by the thousands. you won't see that situation reply indicated in the united states. liberia just came out of a massive civil war, so has sierra leone. liberia had 50 doctors in the whole country. of course it can't cope with a situation like this. the united states is very different. first world countries have a much better medical system, better health protocols and when they are followed yes there will be more cases in the united states. >> are we hearing any politician, any leaders, any health care officials across europe talking about the

possibility of, if not an all out quarantine being more aggressive about stopping the flow of travellers from west africa because i must say, i will say it again, i still don't understand why we don't have tougher restrictions and guidelines coming out of these infected countries. >> eu leaders are starting to look at the possibility of flight restrictions from west africa and the numbers suggest that if there were flight restrictions then the numbers of ebola cases in europe could be significantly decreased if the virus starts spreading there. but they have to weigh that with flight restrictions are very draconian measures. what you'll see more is what you see in the united states and liberia and sierra leone airports where people are restricted. >> bill clinton is not running. he's running. for just causes, for lost cause

because he hopes to move the needle, because he loves the sound of his own voice and because he doesn't know any other way to be. politics is his calling. the arena is his home. and that's the real reason that he's so popular in his post-presidency. so beloved in both retrospect and the moment. in bold contrast to the easily jim bittered frankly disappointing occupant of the oval office right now bill clinton is and was game. he abandoned the white house only to begin plotting by proxy to move in again. he's the pat, presents and future tenses all entwined and that's a clue that there's something other than just nostalgia behind the outsize affection for him. he's missed because he demonstrates what's missing in the commanders in chief since. >> he enjoys his job whatever that job may be. >> just watching him in arkansas last week for the two or three

days. i think it's unfair to compare a sitting president to a president who south of office who can say and do whatever he wants to do. >> people avoid some of the detriments to his character unlike other people who might have similar ones, i don't know if it's his joy of the game or his personality, but they -- he gets a pass. he gets a constant pass on everything. >> it's not that he just enjoys his job, he enjoys politics. that's where frank is right. not just likes people but likes politics. george w. bush likes people but didn't love politics. barack obama doesn't love politics. bill clinton loves politics. everything about politics. strategy, tactics. >> clinton likes people, likes politics. >> yes. >> bush likes people but doesn't like politics. >> barack obama -- >> likes certain people. >> likes one or two people.

if you look at his golf game. >> a narrower circle. doesn't love politics. but what we appreciate in clinton he's never on his high horse. that's why people love clinton he's never on his high horse. >> that's because he has a whole team. >> always fascinating for me the last two presidents we have, they just don't like politics. they were proud of the fact they didn't like politics. they didn't like washington. sort of sneered at the whole thing like they were both above it. i don't want to go to a brain surgeon that doesn't like brain surgery. that's not fascinated by operating on a brain. i just hope the next president we get actually enjoys the game of politics, getting up in the morning, working people -- because that's how you get things done. >> by the way, 10,000 pages of

bill clinton's presidency were released last week from his library. it's interesting that frank wrote that piece because now we're going to be sifting through all those documents to read those scandals from the '90s. >> do you think hillary clinton likes politics? >> oh, my gosh, she lives for it. >> does she really like -- you know you watch hillary and bill when they are in a room together. tease one that is out chatting to everybody. schmoozing everybody. can't hold himself back from chatting with people. she has binders going through policy documents. >> that's the different between men and women. >> that's true. >> they don't love it in the same way. >> maybe you're right. why she's had trouble connecting to politicians. >> you just cannot find a woman in politics who could have the similar past as bill clinton and survive. she has to be in her documents, getting her work done.

making sure the job gets done. >> between bill clinton's travel he's going every where. her travel she's going every where. barack obama can go nowhere. he's not welcomed in almost any contested senate race in the country. they are retaking control of the democratic party before our eyes over the next couple -- between now and election day. this is the moment when the clintons are back. >> still ahead, one man's plan to stop the spread of ebola in sierra leone. he's seen resounding success. so why hasn't it been reply indicated internationally. and billions of dollars stolen or squandered during u.s. counterterrorism operations. james rosen joins us next.

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♪ all right. joining us now "new york times" investigative reporter and author james risen. his new book," pay any price." we have that right here. we'll get to that in just a moment. great title. great issue. he's in the news right now under investigation, could go to jail if you don't release your sources as it pertains to the nsa secret a warrantless wiretapping that you broke? >> right. actually the investigation is about another story from my last book about iran and the cia. the government had two investigations of me about the nsa and about another cia -- >> you're justin middle of it all. >> in the middle of all that you decided to write a book. >> that's basically my answer, basically i just felt i had to write a book about how mess up the war on terror was and i felt like the best way to answer the

government was to keep writing. >> keep writing in this case, shocking amount of american taxpayer dollars. >> right. >> is squandered. >> there's been about $4 trillion spent on the war on terror if you count iraq and afghanistan. it's a massive shift in income from taxpayers to government operations on the war on terror. and very little to show for it because if you look at iraq, you look at afghanistan, you look at yemen and these other countries there's no way you could argue things are better than they were before we got involved in all this. >> the story breaking last week when your book came out between $1.2 and $1.6 billion stolen. >> the u.s. airlifted on c-17s cash to iraq right after the invasion, and shocker some of it got stolen once it got to baghdad. >> not just some of it. over a billion dollars. >> it's been sitting in a bunker

in lebanon where the people who stoll it have hidden it for over, you know, a decade. >> what are some other examples of squandering taxpayer dollars. >> well, there's allegation that i received that the fbi was investigating in which some people involved in a covert action were trying to use that covert action to lawner launde and use the bank accounts set up by this covert action to move their own money around, to turn it into a money laundering scheme. the fbi investigated. the funny nest thing is when i sat down with the fbi, they didn't want to admit that i knew something that they were investigating and i sat at this windowless conference room in the hoover building in washington and told them what i knew and like seven fbi agents just sat there and stared at me. >> why is the government doing

such a terrible job? >> i think what happened is we deregulated national security after 9/11. we took off all the rules. cheney said the gloves come off. what that meant was that there are no more rules. then we poured hundreds of billions of dollars into the war on terror at the same time. so you had hundreds of billions of dollars going into a deregulated industry which is like the banking crisis, we had a national security crisis. >> tell us the conundrum you're in right now in terms of protecting your sources? >> well the supreme court turned down my appeal earlier this year -- >> did you think it would perhaps be different under this administration? >> yes. i thought the obama administration was going to drop this a long time ago. it started under bush and continued under obama, and i thought it would go away once obama came in because he -- >> he promised transparency. >> was going to be most transparent administration ever, i think was the word, the

phrase. it hasn't turned out that way. and they have continued this very aggressive and been more aggressive than any other administration in history going after leaks and journalists and whistle blowers, and i don't understand exactly why. i've tried to figure that out. part of a lot of people say well they are trying to appease the intelligence community or some other explanation. but i just think that there is a sense in the government now that they have the ability now with technology to crack down on leaks and they are going to do it. >> well now they know to be on the receiving end of the leaks. >> great response. >> yeah. >> are there any members of

congress, anybody care at all about the billions of dollars being wasted? >> that's the sad thing is that the -- as you know, the politics on terrorism are, if you say anything in congress that is critical of the war on terror people call you soft on terrorism. and that is the basic reason, in my opinion, why so much of this is people have gotten away with so much because the answer to everything is always well let's give more money to counterterrorism. and there's nobody willing to go in and really question it because oh, what's wrong with you? you want to get attacked. >> nobody trying to figure out what the money is actually being used. >> the book is "pay any price." thank you for coming in. still ahead more trouble in sayerville, new jersey where several football players have been suspended from the team over a hazing ritual. much more potential charges on that in our next hour.

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♪ joining us now, reporter for "the washington post," todd frankel. todd you write about how one district in sierra leone has kept the ebola virus at pay. the piece reads this, it's a remarkable feat, a source of pride for district residents, a source of hope for the entire struggling nation and a curiosity to epidemiologists tracking the worst ebola outbreak in history, which has recorded more than 8,000 cases in west africa with no end in site. ebola is every where but in that one district. >> what's so interesting, todd, the guy that may have figured out how to stop ebola from coming to the district, doesn't even know much about medicine. >> no. he's a businessman. he's an economist by trade. yeah. he just caught on very early this was a huge problem. and in june went back to his

home country, actually lives in the u.s. now and went back there in june and organized people and took action. at this point he's doing the things we hear about in the news, quarantines and surveillance for the disease and at this point the success is self-reinforcing. people want to make sure this region keeps ebola away. >> what he's done according to your article he's basically shut the place down and said if you want to come in to the district you need to have a relative that will go and explain why you're coming in the district, you're not wandering in here for no reason. it tightened up, checkpoints for guards, they stop the residents from leaving. and they have the loan program for food, fuel and medicine and basically kept everybody there and kept others from coming out and it's stunning. you look at the map, "the washington post" showed of the regions that have ebola. they are the only one that's spotless, none.

>> it's remarkable success story. the businessman was very honest about how difficult this has been on the people there. it's not been easy. he understands this is a hardship. so he's gone out of his way to take care of the economic things where his expertise has bode well. he makes sure there's a revolving loan fund for drivers and make sure people are paid and doing things that national governments have not been able to do. >> i was going to ask you. >> willie, we're looking right there. this is where the outbreak, the dark is the worst. if you look up at top you see the striped region. what's the name of the region again. >> kobadugo. >> if this is so widely effective in this region why aren't the other regions have done this. >> they tried smaller pieces.

sierra leone has quarantines throughout various districts. you can't travel from the major cities to the rural areas. but the problem is that ebola epidemic began in these rural areas and moved the opposite way. and so, you know, it's a smaller sample size and they got lucky early on. now there's something to defend. these other areas, you know, they have ebola already inside of them and harder to rally the troops and get everybody on board to protect something that's already been lost. >> almost like the -- it's out and how can they now contain it because there's so many cases. >> exactly. i was going to say exactly right. there's a big psychological barrier, once you lost the war -- because it takes huge sacrifices from everyone, the farmers and the shop keepers and everyone has to agree we'll take a hit now for this long run savings. we're safe. >> actually that's what makes it so amazing.

todd frankel, thank you so much. >> this is something to look at. for the eu, katty kay says the eu is starting to look at limiting flights. the idea that somehow we're being cruel if we limit flights from affected areas when this story shows if you want to contain it, you have to do whatever you can to stop the spread, as this gentleman said, this businessman said. it's very simple. ebola moves with people. you contain the people, you contain the movement, you contain the virus and then you take care of it. there's a lot of americans that are asking the question, you know, do we really want to continue flights coming in from west africa here and the eu -- until we actually have our act together and we don't have our act together now. we have health care workers that are getting ebola. right now we don't know whether there are dozens of people in

dallas infected. cdc is worried about it. that's not spreading fear. if you spread fear you're stupid. i want to spread hope. that's the kind of kid i am. i want to spread hope that we're going to do smart conservative with a small c things to do to contain this virus and stop it from spreading across the united states. >> at the top of the hour we'll take a look at how the virus is spreading here in the u.s. we'll speak to a congressman who spent three decades practicing medicine and represented a district a few miles away from dallas. mitt romney back on the campaign trail and trying to get joni ernst the boost she needs to get to washington. and wendy davis' new ad for governor is getting a lot of attention perhaps for the wrong reasons. some people are calling it completely inappropriate. i'll show you the ad. i'll tell you when we return. it's monday,

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. welcome back to "morning joe." dorian warren, katty kay is back with us. we'll be talking to congressman michael burgess, a doctor in texas, his direct near the hospital. first some politics. a new poll shows hillary clinton has some work to do in iowa if she decides to run for

president. a bloomberg "des moines register" poll shows potential republican opponents in strong standing. in a head-to-head match up mitt romney leads the former secretary of state by one point. romney's former running mate paul ryan is trailing clinton by just one point. just three points separate clinton and rand paul. and she's five points ahead of new jersey governor chris christie. iowa has not always been kind to clinton. she limped into a third place in iowa during the presidential race. >> john, you had to be surprised when you got this poll back. you're working with "the des moines register," come back and got romney ahead. everybody else tied with her other than jeb bush who actually seemed to be faring worse than everybody else. >> first time iowa poll has done a head-to-head race on 2016 race. it's a purple state. a state that launched barack obama into the stratosphere in 2008.

for clinton to be behind romney they are basically tied. she's basically tied with romney and rand paul. romney is less surprising to me than rand paul who is a relative newcomer. >> and in blue state. >> in purple state. it's been a blue state the last two cycles with barack obama, the iowa senate race is pretty much neck and neck. it's a super competitive state and super important state for 2016. as mika said, she's not historically had a great ties with iowa. but it does tell you something she's going to have a fight on her hands. we're all surprised by that. a little surprised by the fact those three republicans do so much better than jeb bush and chris christie who a lot of people think of as the republican establishment front runners. >> that was my takeaway. zero stomach game. as romney rises jeb and christie fall. in this case right now, jeb bush, i like jeb bush. his numbers nationally, though,

are just always lackluster. >> he's viewed as the savior. that poll is mostly about hillary clinton, yes. do you think, john, it's a little bit about mitt romney and there's some desire out there to see him run even though he said over and over again he's not going run. >> romney right now among republican voters is the candidate that most people would like to see right now and i think there s-especially among the republican electorate there's a sense the last two years validated or vindicated what mitt romney argued especially on foreign policy. for republicans that's true. he's riding a wave. there's a big vacuum. jeb bush has hung back. chris christie has had a rough year. romney in the vacuum of establishment, romney is still that vacuum. >> a lot of people support mitt romney behind-the-scenes saying

they want him to run. >> i know. i don't know. you know, knowing them, having covered them over the years, i don't know if ann romney can stomach it. i hope he does come back into the race. i think he might be the most viable candidate. a new ad in the texas governor's race is getting a lot of attention and that's what democrat wendy davis was hoping for. she focused on a debilitating accident that he had decades ago. >> a tree fell on greg abbott. he sued and got millions. since then he spent his career working against other victims. abbott argue ad woman whose leg was amputated was not disabled because she had an artificial limb. he ruled against a rape victim who sued a corporation for failing to do a background check on a sexual predator. he sided with the hospital that failed to stop a dangerous surgeon who paralyzed patients. greg abbott, he's not for you.

>> so, obviously, dorian a lot of people saying not cool. putting your opponent in a wheelchair. >> i think this is a huge blunder of an ad. what wendy davis needs is to increase voter turn out. negative ads depress voter turnout. she needs many new voters to come out. this will not motivate her voters to come out. it's a huge blunder. >> everything from the production of it to the looming voice, to the accused. this is not her, what her brand is turning out to be. she should be appealing to women and she should be inspiring them and having a positive message, and yikes, i cringed watching that. didn't like it. >> almost every democrat i met down there was appalled by that.

but he ran four years ago will be worse off -- wendy davis is the gubernatorial candidates that will turn texas to blue. >> what's the planning meeting on that ad. like i got an idea. >> let's put our opponent in a wheelchair. >> it allows abbott to do what he did and sit back on the high road, if she wants to make my wheelchair an issue in this race,ing go ahead. what we saw, what does that have to do with who will be a better governor. >> katty kay, i was reading the "denver post" editorial yesterday about udall and they decided to endorse udall's opponent which is pretty interesting. i only hear the smart guy. whose running against udall in colorado, cory gardner. so they endorsed cory gardner.

>> surprisingly. for a liberal paper. >> very surprising bath you know what was hopeful in reading that endorsement was they said that udall has spent the entire campaign trying to scare women into believing that his republican opponent wanted to take contraception away when, in fact, just the opposite is true, and again, coming from a pretty liberal paper they were scathing, saying he's run this one issue campaign on war on women, it's a phoney campaign, and they endorse the republican. i wonder if more editorial boards are going to go after people on both sides like this. that was protest stunning. >> whether it's fear mongering over wendy davis putting out this ad which s-let's face it, mean spirited in texas or comes

across as mean spirtd maybe you'll have editorial boards say we want a little bit more of a civilized debate in the political process and if you're a candidate who deliberately is using fear mongering whatever the issue, whether it's women or disabilities, then we can't as an editorial board endorse that process. >> i would guess in denver this would actually have an impact on the race where you have a liberal newspaper or center left newspaper endorsing a republican. >> we'll talk to mike allen about that. senator elizabeth warren is accusing president obama not doing enough to scale back wall street's influence. in her words there's not been enough change. in a new interview she praises the president for creating the financial bureau but said the economic team protect wall street not families who were losing homes, not people who

lost their jobs, not young people who were struggling to get an education and it happened over and over and over. >> dorian, tough, tough talk from elizabeth warren about the democratic president of the united states. >> tough talk. it plays well for her in terms of her popularity and base. you might contrast that with the recent article in rolling stone defending the president where he does make some of the same criticism about the administration's lack of crackdown on wall street. at the same time he gives much credit to senator warren's idea for the consumer financial protection bureau that's done amazing work. >> it's perfect for her if she were to think about running for higher office because she created, she was hired to create the consumer financial protection bureau but then the president chose not to use her to head it up. she was basically kicked out. while hillary clinton worked for the president and had a very lovie dovie exit interview. >> mika, you're a great student of elizabeth warren. how much of this is personal and

how much of it is political? >> oh, i think it's personal and political. i think she personally feels extremely strongly about these issues. >> personal against the president for having not -- >> oh, no. >> for not giving her the job. >> no. if you look at everything she's written and said, this is about the story. this is about the story of americans. it's not political. >> i think it's personal as well. i think it's personal because this president was scared off by wall street. >> and the republicans. >> and the republicans who said you can't pick this woman to run this new agency. >> the very agency she created. it's her story. >> i wonder, katty kay, what she will be saying about hillary clinton, the standard for the democratic party over the next couple of years who has an even closer relationship with wall street than barack obama and closer relationship to wall street than anybody on the

democratic party this side of chuck schumer. >> this has been raised as an issue for hillary clinton. left of the democratic party going to penalize her because she's been too cozy with wall street. is that something that will come up during the course of the campaign. actually up until now, it hasn't been a big issue for hillary clinton. i wlond when we get into the campaign, when she finally throws her hat formally into the ring whether you won't see democrats on the left, this issue might get a pass for her, for all the reasons she will be the front-runner of the party. i don't think it will be a massive vote suppressor. >> unless somebody brings it up. >> unless somebody runs against her in a convincing way. hard to see somebody coming from the left. easy for somebody to challenge from the left. hard to see somebody challenge from the left successfully against hillary clinton. >> not hard to imagine elizabeth warren trying to push her,

elizabeth warren having come out and said and designed a letter i want hillary clinton to run for president. elizabeth warren is on record saying she wants hillary clinton to run. now she can push hillary clinton to the left on economics throughout this process. >> health officials are warning more cases of ebola are possible after it was transmitted for the first time ever in the u.s. a health worker in dallas tested positive for bin laden after treating the liberiian national. the woman developed a low fever on friday and was quickly put in isolation. another person who had contact with her is also being monitored. officials say the infected worker wore a protective suit and they are investigating how a breach may have occurred. meanwhile the nation's largest nurse's union is criticizing hospitals for not being fully prepared to treat the ebola virus, or educating their

employees. >> with us now from dallas we got texas congressman michael burgess. his district is miles from the hospital where the nurse is diagnosed with the ebola virus over the weekend. congressman, thank you so much for being with us. obviously, so many things to be concerned about. is the hospital in dallas up to the task of keeping ebola restricted into this one area? >> well, it does raise a great point, and, of course, the hospital in emory, the hospital in omaha, the hospital at nih, these hospitals have specialized units in order to deal with people with highly infectious diseases. it raises the question should we be locating individuals with ebola in community hospitals, or should they stabilize and quickly transferred to one of these specialized units. joe, your can't work, you can't be a scientist and work with ebola unless you go to one of

these highly specialized bio four laboratories located around the united states. our average college campus can't get the material to work with. why should your average community hospital now be required to staff up and run the type of isolation unit that quite honestly they spent years preparing for at emory and omaha. >> do you think if patients should be transferred to these specialized hospitals, even that transfer process carries risks, right? health workers have to be involved in the transfer process. in a sense aren't we better off responding to individual cases in getting nih to fly in the appropriate equipment for that one case? >> i don't know if we know the answer to that right now. and certainly, the criticism that the nurses union leveled at the hospitals, that's accurate. but i would also take it back a step. where was the cdc with helping

the hospitals prepare for the response that they were going to have to have. and, you know -- >> clearly, in dallas it was far too wait. >> british airways suspended flights this summer. air france suspended flights. we don't have direct flights from africa but i think we could have done a better job as far as looking at people who are requesting travel documents and visas and even now i would question if that does not meet temporarily you may need a longer period of time before somebody applies for and receives a visa to come to this country from those areas badly affected. not that you will shut them off but you pause for a little bit to allow us on this side of the health care spectrum time to adjust. >> congressman michael burgess, thank you very much. still ahead on "morning joe" the questions that will decide the senate, politico asked the tough questions that will usual cheat sheet in this homestretch to the elections.

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♪ time now to take a look at the morning papers. we'll start with "usa today." police are bracing for more protests in st. louis today after what was dubbed a weekend of resistance to mark two months since a police officer shot and killed an unarmed black teen. protesters calling today moral monday and said they plan several instances of civil disobedience. at least 17 people were arrested on sunday morning following clashes with riot police at a convenience store where another black teen was killed by an off duty officer last week. police say demonstrators tried to storm the building and threw rocks at officers but the protesters say it was a peaceful sit in. >> the "chicago tribune," minnesota vikings running back adrian peterson could still be suspended without pay even if he's found not guilty of felony child abuse. nfl owners discussed during a

meeting last week that fein a player is not convicted details brought up during an investigation could still count as a personal conduct violation. texas officials want peterson's bail revoked after he admitted to smoking marijuana before a drug test on wednesday. peterson's trial scheduled to begin december 1st. >> the "new york post" u.s. airways is apologizing after one of its flight attendants declined to hang up the jackets of an army ranger. first sergeant albert morel was asked to hang up his coat to prevents wrinkles but was told the closet is for first class passengers only. usa airways said it will review the incident. >> a little common sense. >> is a little common sense. >> patriotism, respect. >> the "wall street journal" boeing is set to fill a massive order of 50 jets in a deal worth $5 billion.

msnbc joined forces with the u.n. foundation and caterpillar for a very important cause. 150 girls gathered to raise awareness for clean water projects developed by the charity group water.org. they carried 40 pound containers of water to represent the hardships faced by people around the world in accessing clean water. statistics show there's a $12 return in economic development for each dollar invested in the projects overseas. very good idea. >> first lady also. >> with us now the chief white house correspondent for politico mike allen. he has a look at the playbook. >> happy monday. happy columbus day. >> we're going to play a little game. politico asking 11 questions you say will decide control of the senate so let's fire through some of these. let's start in arkansas. can tom cotton reassure the doubters?

>> yeah. republican congressman was supposed to be way ahead. he's nip and tuck with mark pryor. he's still. he's done better. he's gone around the state in an rv, let people see him. he a softer side news last week. he announce this spring he'll be a daddy. he and his wife will have a son this spring. his folks were a big "morning joe" watcher, tweeted they are very excited about that. >> that's electrifies. >> let's move to kansas. can greg orman hand tell heat. >> oh, my goodness. this is the most surprising of all senate races. senator pat roberts is on the verge of losing. we'll have big republican money. big republican personalities. bob dole all pouring in trying to save him. greg orman who is running as an independent but would caucus with democrats is in position to win. there's new questions about his businesses. he's being asked suddenly about

all kinds of issues now that it looks like he might actually be a senator. but he's pushing them all back. he's not even taking questions on big issues because he wants the trees be about pat roberts and remind voters they are tired of him. >> colorado. can cory gardner keep the gender gap to single digits. >> this is a blue state where we have a republican who is in a position to win. the "denver post" usually endorses democrats endorsed cory gardner. the women's vote is where to watch. if cory gardner can do well, he'll win and seal a republican majority. >> let's move into south dakota, the question this morning -- >> oh, my goodness. >> are democrats bluffing in the badlands. explain that one. >> no, they are not. this is another surprise. we should not be talking about this race on "morning joe." this is one of those races,

republicans thought they had it put away. the republican, mike rounds former governor went to sleep at the switch, didn't raise enough money, let some bad issues from when he was governor come up and become unanswered. suddenly it looks like a real race. he'll still win but republicans are having to pour money in there that they would love to spend elsewhere and democrats suddenly have hope they will cause some trouble and they are smart they should. >> let's go to the race with scott brown in new hampshire. isis and immigration as potent as scott brown thinks they are. >> here's somebody else who is within spitting distance that didn't look like he would be. scott brown who is running against jean shaheen. looked very solid. by making national security issues a big issue at the end, he's hoping that that might seal the deal for him. very close in polls. scott brown much closer than we would have guessed a short time

ago. >> you saw a bounce back in that poll from jean shaheen. we'll see how it goes. >> mike allen, thank you very much. >> happy columbus day. >> coming up, more details to learn about the hazing scandal in sayreville, new jersey. more questions we have. we'll go live to that town in just a few minutes for a full report. >> sexual assault details. pretty disturbing. >> you wonder why anybody would argue against what the superintendent did. we'll go deeper into that. dr. jeffrey sachs joins us for another look of our must read opinion pages. (receptionist) gunderman group.

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♪ we love bringing in the director of the earth institute at columbia university, jeffrey sachs. sometimes we fight, sometimes we don't. so you caught this story. we talked frankly with "the washington post" in, talking about the businessman who worked

with leaders in a district in sierra leone to restrict movement. not a complete quarantine. restricting movement and in so doing was able to keep ebola out of that district, only ebola free district in sierra leone. is there any lesson to learn out of that for eu leaders and american leaders. >> how could we not look at that as an example? >> i think the thing about ebola is that if it's not there, you have to be really vigilante to keep it under control. once it's explode you're facing a very different kind of situation. when there are already thousands of cases in west africa that's the model. the model then how do you find people, how do you diagnose them, how do you isolate them, how do you get them to treatment. >> what about us as they were restricting movement into their district to keep ebola free,

what about the united states and the eu, and katty kay said eu leaders are talking about more restrictive on flights from west africa into their region. what about us looking at that here in the u.s. good idea, bad ad. >> we have to understand it from the african point of view. there's more than 20 million people in the infected region. you can't close it up. that's an economy that depends on import of food, fuel, of all the basic needs. so you can't stop the life of 20 million people without creating chaos and panic which would spread the epidemic even faster. we need ways absolutely to be careful. we need to screen. we need to be vigilante. you can't close up 20 million people. suppose manhattan was quarantined. >> this is not what the businessman did. >> his was a different

situation. there were no cases. he stopped them from coming in. here you have a full blown epidemic. >> we're talking about north america. there are a couple of cases in north america. >> to close up and isolate west african countries would not, not only not stop the epidemic, it would end up not protecting us or anybody else. it would create complete panic in those countries. >> chaos. >> katty kay, jump in. >> i want to ask you about nigeria because that's a country that had cases in the past but now largely free of the virus. are there lessons other west african countries could learn from nigeria? >> yes. be on top of this. when a case comes in, isolate the patient, get treatment, do contract tracing. just like we're doing in the united states. this is the way that you contain an epidemic. the problem with ebola is not

that it's uncontainable. the problem is once it was allowed to get out of control in recent months then getting it back under control is extraordinarily difficult. in other words, when there are very few cases you can do what nigeria has done or what that district has done or what we'll do in the united states. the problem is when there are thousands of cases that have swamped the health care system that it completely swamped the ability to diagnose and isolate and transport people safely, then you have this epidemic which is what's happening in liberia and sierra leone. >> let's get one must read in from the "wall street journal." a former state department official and current legal counsel to the kurdistan regional government and he write this. leaving a u.s. ally outgunned by isis. little in terms of weaponry or training has reached kurdish peshmerga forces in iraq. and they are begging washington to make good on its promises.

in a letter sent on october 2nd to u.s. defense secretary chuck hagel that until now has not been made public, the kurd sad regional government's minister of pesh mercury rga affairs. the u.s. has provided fewer than 100 mortars and a few hundred rpgs. isis fighters have command jeered u.s. provided tanks and humvees abandoneded by iraqi forces fleeing from battle. >> we're doing this in a half hearted way. i understand turkey has problems with us arming the kurds. turkey has proven to be a terrible ally through this process. why don't we more aggressively arm the kurds and let them take care of their own region? >> we have a spreading war and no strategy. and when you talk to all the officials as i did this past week in washington, not all of them, but many of the leading

officials, including leading turkish officials, they said we need a political solution. and that's clearly what's missing right now. dropping bombs is not working. this is what i said a couple of weeks ago when we had a little debate with richard haas and i'll say it again, we don't have a viable strategy right now. we're fighting on alcides in all directions. we don't really have a strategy. it's not going to work. >> so i can channel the ghost of richard haas, sitting back is not a strategy either. >> i didn't say sit back. >> and let isis have complete control of the region. >> we need turkey, saudi arabia, iran all as part of the solution and if you don't have a political approach you can't make a solution. >> how do you get turkey to come around. we've been talking about this now for two weeks. the threat is at their door step but they are reluctant to join the fight although they said we can use their air bases.

what more should we ask of turkey. >> they don't see a viable strategy. they don't want boots on the ground the same way we don't want boots on the ground. they don't want to be overrun by a spreading war. i believe we need to have a creative open mind that we're bringing all of the parties to the table. that means iran has to be part of the solution. i want also means that china and russia, which had interests in the region also need be part of the solution. if we think we're getting our way we're not even close. we're losing ground every day. we don't have a strategy. the bombing isn't working. the generals told us it wouldn't work. >> dr. jeffrey sachs, thank you. up next alleged sexual assault at a new jersey high school has the team's football team under fire but more punishment on the way. that report is next. plus a very thorough investigation by the "new york times" into a number of criminal investigations of football

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♪ new report in the "new york times" details a series of incidents in which florida state university football players appear to receive preferential treatment from police in criminal investigations. documents show those football ties are regularly mentioned in police reports and players avoid arrest or punishment in some cases. dozens of officers also direct traffic or security at florida state games. that's pretty normal for a school. last year quarterback won the heisman trophy and accused of rapers and the accuser's lawyer

say they find reasons not to pursue the case. another one was accused of stealing a motor scooter. the police officer asked if he was mentally stable and didn't want to ruin wilson's record by arresting him. he was charged with a misdeamnor instead of grand theft auto. police arrived at a home after a 911 call stating a man, a florida state football player was beating a woman holding a baby. no statements were gathered from witnesses. 13 football players have been linked to a string of bb and pellet gun shootings as well. no charges were fired until the most recent case. tallahassee police chief says there's an internal review of the scooter case and officers are held accountable for their actions. >> willie, this has been a problem in tallahassee for some time. we know last year, winston james, one of the most important

game of the season, jameis winston, had charges brushed aside from a woman talking about being raped, and this seems to be an ongoing pattern in tallahassee. >> it's interesting timing to talk about this too as we talk about all these nfl stories with ray rice and the others because this culture, it starts before college even, in high school, football players and athletes but especially a d-1 athletic problem they live in a bubble. nobody wants to overturn the apple cart. so they are protect on little things, winking and nod. now it starts to rise to things like alleged sexual assault. that's when the protection has to fall away. >> some of these schools, the majority of schools wouldn't put up with this. >> yeah. >> there appears to be a culture that's out of control. >> it's in the game. that brings us to sayreville where new information on allegations that led to football season being cancelled for a new jersey high school this morning.

seven teenagers face criminal charges in what's being called the brutal hazing and even sexual assault of fellow athletes at sayreville war memorial high. stephanie goss joins us live from sayreville, new jersey with the latest. >> reporter: good morning. the remainder of the season is cancelled. homecoming which was supposed to be this weekend cancelled. this town celebrates its local heroes during their fall. now they are faced waondering hw seven could be charged with a list of criminal allegations. >> we ask your blessings upon the families and all of this community. >> reporter: hundreds gathered sunday night near the empty football field at sayreville war memorial high school. the emphasis not on the game but a message of anti-bullying. >> a lot of hurt. a lot of things going on. we need to come together. >> could it have been anybody's child. >> reporter: the rally a response to a hazing scandal

inside sayreville's celebrated football program. four freshmen allege sexually abusive attacks by upper classmen teammates. seven students ranging from 15 to 17 years old were arrested over the weekend. on numerous charges including aggravated sexual assault and criminal restraint. exclusive reports in new jersey advance media claim the assault took place last month, involved the pinning down of a freshman before sexually assaulting him. because the accused players are juveniles the criminal complaint including their names is not part of the public record. concerned parents and friends worry the crimes ill leave a life long mark on the victims. >> the football season is a very small issue compared to what happened. i mean kids were violated. and football season is nothing compared to the pain and hurt that they probably will have to go through the rest of their lives. >> reporter: the criminal charges along with the superintendent's decision to

cancel this season has created a rift in the community. everybody agrees these alleged hazing charges are wrong but there are people here who say a majority of the team not involved success punished unfairly. mika? >> stephanie goss, thank you. still ahead -- >> so much worse than what we originally expected. >> if these allegations are true you have to stop -- while it's difficult for kids who weren't involved to lose a football season but you have to applaud the administration. >> i do. still ahead, a self-made billionaire who balances his family like he balances his checkbook. from the hit show "christie knows best." you know her from "saturday night live" and casey wilson is back with a new sitcom. we'll tell you the very creative way. >> she's so funny. >> the creator's show sold the show to executives. >> she's great.

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welcome back to "morning joe." john helman and dorian is here with us. >> the eagles probably lost victor cruz for the series, he tore up his knee. it was bad. >> it was closer than you think it would be. payton panning and the broncos came to new york but gave it

away. >> any big game yesterday that ood out in big surprise? >> it was probably the eagles game and the giants. the eagles are 5-1, the cowboys are 5-1. >> man, that's crazy. let's get to the news. health officials are warning more cases of obama are possible after it was transmitted for the first times after it was transmitted. a health care worker in dallas tested positive for ebola after treating the liberian nation until for the virus. the cdc said she was not one of the first 48 people observed for the symptoms. she developed a low fever and quickly was put in isolation. another person who had contact with her is also being monitored. the infected worker wore a protective suit and they are investigating how a breach may have occurred. >> we don't know what occurred in the care of the index patient, the original patient in dallas, but at some point there was a breach in protocol.

at that breach in protocol resulted in this infection. it is possible that other individuals were exposed. we know that this individual did provide care to the index patient on multiple occasions. and that care included extensive contact. >> meanwhile, the nation's largest nurses union is criticizing hospitals for not being fully prepared to treat the ebola virus or educate their employees. in west africa a businessman is being praised for helping one district in sierra leone remain ebola-free by eliminating travel. >> this one district. >> completely ebola-free. controversial but effective. this was big news when it broke yesterday morning about this next case of ebola in dallas, the nurse. we'll bring in the former

adviser for health policy and global initiatives for the university of pennsylvania, dr. ezekiem emmanuel. >> you have dr. kent brantley, the first american doctor who contracted ebola who says he still doesn't know how he got it. they prepared a month ahead of time, he did everything right. he still got ebola. here you have this woman in dallas who wore all the protective gear and still has ebola. it's like the airline industry saying the plane crashed and it was pilot's error. no. >> it's very worrisome assed to as tom frieden said yesterday.

i remember when they brought in the protective gear, there were a lot of mistakes. it was very vigilant and careful. this is very contagious and that's the big problem, it's not an error by touching, but it is obviously very contagious. we'll look at all the processes. it wouldn't be a stupid idea to have cameras when people are taking the gear off. and to look more importantly, where are the common mistakes and try to redesign the standards of care to avoid those common things. i would also say of this patient, they had intubated the patient, and those kinds of activities create a lot of fluid, and you have to worry about if that's a wise thing in an ebola patient. or ones who have organ failure, are you going to get the patient back or are you risking of infecting a lot more health care

workers. >> really. >> doctor, you mentioned tom frieden who said it is likely we'll see more cases of ebola. is that likely due to breaches of protocol in this case, or how else are we going to see more cases in the united states? >> to remind everyone, you're not able to transmit ebola without symptoms. they have been careful about monitoring the symptoms and having the health care workers and others monitor their temperature. you can't say it is zero but it's pretty unlikely. the breaches of protocol seem to be the most likely, it's so the so much breaches of protocol but the implementations of the protocol where you can have a problem. and that's probably a set expectation there, it's rare but not an unheard of event. and it is worrisome and redoubling the efforts and

looking at every step of the way to get rid of the ones where mistakes are the ones most likely to happen. it's probably going to be the one really important element here to contain this. but as we have seen in other places like nigeria, you can contain this and eliminate the problem. >> we'll talk about that coming up. dr. zeke emmanuel, thank you. a lot of politics until the midterms. a new poll shows hillary clinton has work to do in iowa if she runs for president in 2016. i'm surprised. abloomberg/des moines register poll shows potential republican opponents in a strong standing. in a head-to-head match-up, mitt romney leads the secretary of state by one point. paul ryan trailing clinton by just one point. just three points separate clinton and rand paul. as she is five points ahead of new jersey governor chris christie. iowa has not always been kind to clinton. she limped into third place in iowa during the presidential

race in 2008. >> john heidalman, it is pretty remarkable hillary clinton has dropped as much as she has. now mitt romney seeing this pull. she's basically been deadlocked with rand paul within the margin of error. jeb bush and chris christie don't fare as well. that's news as well from the accomplishment side of the ledger. mitt romney has one more reason to listen to all the ad visors and contributors now begging him to get into the race. >> there's a lot of news in this poll. and you have hit a bunch of the high points. this is the first time nip has tested with likely 2016 general election voters in iowa in head-to-head match-ups like this. this is based on the iowa poll that we are now partnering with the "des moines register," a famous poll. she has 100% recognition. everyone knows her in iowa in

the same way everyone knows president obama. you put her against mitt romney with 100% name recognition. the fact that mitt romney is ahead of her in a purple state of this kind, the state that had barack obama win two elections in a row, then you look at rand paul who is not nearly well-known as hillary clinton, he's within striking distance is surprising. rand paul is also well-known but she clearly is not the favorite to win the general election in a purple state at this point. >> so while we're in iowa, joni ernst the republican and democrat bruce braley are a point apart. both are bringing in big names. former presidential candidate mitt romney threw major backing for ernst this weekend. while the first lady campaigned against ernst's opponent, she struggled to remember braley's

name. >> leaders like bruce bailey. just think about the precincts all of us in this room right now can swing for bruce bailey if we rolled up our sleeves and got serious about the issues. if you go to vote.brucebaley.com. or even better, you can -- braley, what did i say? i'm losing it. i'm getting old. >> i went to that. >> meanwhile -- >> i went to the bruce baley site. >> it could so happen to any of us. "the washington post" selection ad gives the republicans a 95% chance of winning the senate, a far higher confidence level than "the new york times." and a new nbc news/wall street journal poll shows while more people want a democratically controlled congress, the

registered democratic voters are less interested in the midterms than their republican counterparts. >> there's a ton to cover here. first we'll talk about your poll on jodi ernst. what did you see inside that thing? >> what you see is the last time the iowa poll was done by the register, she was up six in that race. so that race is tightening a lot in our poll where they are now dead even. bruce braley has closed the gap. the last poll was take an few weeks ago, so he's closed the gap there. she's develop up a little bit, he's gone up a lot more. and now they are obviously still in a dead heat. >> a lot of people are saying iowa could decide who controls the senate. >> i don't think there's -- the democrats and republicans alike in the senatorial committees say the same thing. the race is a total toss-up at this point. >> i will give you a 95% chance that "the washington post" is

giving the republicans for taking over the senate. now it may happen. i get in trouble when i was talking about the guy who left "the new york times," i forget his name and where he went, but he was talking about it a couple years ago. 78.4 78.497% chance romney was going to lose. it's so far out for "the post." i'll say the same thing. a 95% chance that the republicans are going to take over the senate? there are so many moving parts. that's just as silly as what i heard two years ago. again, it may turn out to be right. but saying that three weeks out just seems kind of crazy. >> you're saying with almost certainty the senate is going to flip within five percentage points of certainty. if you look at iowa and places like north carolina, you look at louisiana, all these races that although probably not as much of a toss-up as iowa is, could

still go -- >> and arkansas. >> and arkansas. you look across the map, there are too many things up in the air right now. it is certainly well within the realm of possibility. president obama will be facing a republican senate and house for the final two years of his administration. >> i think it is partly odd in the context of what's happened in the last week. all the recent developments in kansas now a possible for a democratic senate pickup. south dakota is suddenly up for grabs. georgia is looking better for democrats. it's odd that the model gets you to 95% given the news over the recent days. >> i think that's right in the sense of last week a lot of political scientists released their annual or every two years, every four years predictions. and almost all of them say the senate is going to fall into republican hands. and these are pretty good models about predicting elections. no one is 100% right, but it is a 95% confidence interval in the sense, yes, it looks very likely republicans will take back the senate. it's not perfect.

a lot of things can change, that's what elections are about, but based on what we know and the factors going into midterm elections, it's pretty clear, i think we can say with lots of confidence that it looks good for republicans to retake it. >> what's your number, dorian. >> i would say somewhere around 89/90. >> i'm at 50. >> you're more optimistic for the president to main taint control of the senate. >> or pessimistic on my side. so really quickly, we'll be talking about isis throughout the day, but reports this morning that they are on the verge of moving into western baghdad. the anbar province totally taken over. this military operation right now, you have to judge it as a complete failure so far, won't you? >> i wouldn't know if it's complete failure. i don't know if they'll overtake baghdad but it is raising a lot of questions about our strategy. is it a failing strategy and questions need to be asked in

congress about whether this is the appropriate strategy. do we need troops on the ground? are the drone strikes working? is the air attack the only strategy that's possible here? or do we need actually to send in combat troops? i think we'll have that debate. still ahead on "morning joe," protective gear didn't keep the nurse from contracting ebola. what went wrong and are the nation's health care workers safe? the head of the national nurses united is our guest. plus, a conscioentious thie while in pursuit. what is that? and todd and julie chrisley will be here on set. you're watching "morning joe."

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is that a picture of the nurse that actually got ebola? that's the new york post or "the daily news." >> we'll take a look at the morning papers. >> "the post" a little bit tougher on sad sacks, man. >> fantastic. >> what is wrong with the giants? >> they had a good run there whipping three in a row. but it is a good eagles team. . we'll start with "the detroit

free press." a michigan toddler passed away from the enterovirus d68. madeleine reid was in the hospital since september. this marks the second child to have directly died as a result of the enterovirus. >> the national security adviser susan rice says the united states does not believe there's been a transfer of power in north korea even though kim jong un has not been seen in five weeks. the u.s. is watching north korea carefully as rumors swirl about his whereabouts. he was noticeably absent from the event for the answer versnif the workers last week. and "usa today" says

california's drought perk is helping the wine industry. that means an earlier harvest, but there's also less chance the grapes will mold. one wine maker says the grapes will be smaller with concentrated flavor. but there are drawbacks, it takes several gallons of water to produce a single glass of wipe. right. >> good for the wipe business. >> bad for 50 million people. >> but good for cabernet. newly-released dash cam video shows a bizarre car chase when a hospital patient stole an ambulance from a medical center in dallas. as police give chase, the video shows the driver repeatedly stopping at red lights. one point the driver stops at a red light for a minute and a half. >> okay. >> and the driver was taken into custody. >> let's go to "the los angeles

times." people in a pair of california towns are on edge after citing that they saw sinister-looking clowns. the photos of the clown is rumored to be part of an art project, but witnesses say there have been 16 reports of other clowns wielding weapons in the bakersfield area. police are vowing an arrest. eww. >> they are creepy. i'll tell you what -- seriously? i think they need to be anti-clown gangs going around. coming up, can the markets rebound after logging its worst week in over two years? plus, he called the response to the ebola epidemic a, quote, gross failure. and that was before the disease was transmitted for the first time on u.s. soil. "the new york times" nicholas christoff is joining us, next. we'll be right back.

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we have experience with ebola dating back to 1976 with 24 outbreaks in africa.

and a group there near the borders never get an infection because of strict protocol. sometime with humans you have a breach and that's very likely what happened. >> that was the doctor from the national institutes of health. yesterday on "meet the press," could more have been done for the nurse who tested positive for the ebola virus in dallas? joining us is karen hagans, the co-president of national nurses united. the country's largest union and professional association of registered nurses. very good to have you on the show. >> karen, thank you for being with us. can you assure nurses that are in your union and nurses across the country that hospitals are on top of this situation? and that they can feel safe taking care of and treating ebola patients. >> no, i wish i could. i would tell you we did a quick survey -- we have been calling

this since this issue came up. and after this came out in dallas we did a survey and continue to do the survey and have over 2,000 nurses across the country in about 42 different state that is have responded. and the issue is they don't feel prepared and don't feel they are getting enough training moving forward. the fact that we now have a nurse in dallas, they have actually gotten infected from taking care of a patient proves that point. >> in taking care of the patient, obviously using -- >> well, health officials are saying it was a breach of protocol. >> they say it must've been a breach of protocol but don't know what the preach of protocol is, just like they are guessing when it comes to the nurse in spain who contracted ebola. again, apparently going by all the guidelines. you have kent brantley, the first american doctor that came back to this country saying, he still even though his facility prepared a month ahead of time, he still has no idea how he

contracted ebola. and yet we've got all these health care professionals saying, nothing to worry about, move along here. if there's a problem, it had to be with something the nurse did wrong. >> the problem is, as we said, they are guidelines. if you talk to every institution, i guarantee most of them are doing something different. it is not consistent. no one has been really well trained in how to protect themselves. we need to -- the cdc, the public health department, needs to make a very strong stop daan and it has to be the highest standard the country can provide. it is not just the equipment but you have to invest in spending what it needs to train the hospital personnel, what they need to put on as far as what that protective equipment is, how to put it on, how to take it off. we need to repeat it, repeat it, repeat it until people can pretty much do it in their sleep and that's not happening.

and then, one of the bigger things is, which we don't talk about there, should always be a second person with you. when you are garbing and dressing and putting the equipment on and taking it off, like you say, you don't know. no one is purposely infecting themselves. they all believe they are doing the right thing and doing exactly what they were told to do, but you don't know. you can -- you just don't know. if there's a second person there that is watching you, the other ones are going to be able to pick it up. but it is not being done. >> karen hagans, thank you very much. with us now in new york, we have -- >> can i just say really quickly, so karen's organization did a survey. 85% of those surveyed in nurses and hospitals saying they are not being provided information on ebola. 76% say hospitals are not emitting ebola admission policies. 37% say hospitals have

insufficient eye and health supplies. >> 36% say hospitals have insufficient supplies of fluid resistant gowns. >> you have experience traveling to west africa where this started. what do you think has happened? >> well, clearly in dallas there was a phenomenal screw-up. in my mind -- well, i was once suspected to have ebola when in japan. and the japanese health authorities raced to my apartment, the sirens screamed and they came in ebola gear. the opposite happened in texas. i did not have it, i had malaria. it was a completely different approach. but clearly they were following up with training and everything else. but we need to have more respect, 36,000 people are going to die of the flu in the u.s. a tiny number will die of ebola.

>> we hope. >> if nigeria can stop it from the ebola outbreak, if uganda can stop it, we can, too. we really can. >> what are we doing wrong? >> we are not prepared for it. and it makes rigid preparation from diagnosis and in treatment, in getting people to get their gowns off. >> we want to cover some other fronts with you, nick. there are new developments in the fight against islamic state militants in iraq and syria. turkey is facing growing criticism for not being more involved to allow the u.s. to conduct air strikes from its bases. one of which is about 100 miles from the syrian border. and kurdish fighters have reportedly pushed back isis fighters in the key syrian city of kobani. the u.s.-led coalition also carried out three air strikes there over the weekend. officials say an isis-fighting position and staging location

were destroyed. national security adviser susan rice this morning is warning the campaign will take time but has seen several gains so far. but some lawmakers see things very differently. >> our air campaign is off to a strong start. we've seen very important suck seps seps successes in places like sudan. this is going to take time and the american people need to understand that our in here is a long-term degradation and building capacity of our partners. >> they're winning and we are not. and the iraqis are not whipping, t winning, the kurds are not winning, but there has to be a fundamental re-evaluation of what we're doing because we are not destroying isis. >> so, nick, 85% of anbar

province is following into isis' hands. baghdad is endangered. they are moving toward turkey's border. on and on and on. it seems to be one defeat after another. >> i mean, it's true that the air strikes have at the margin slowed down isis and they prevented a slaughter of -- but at the end of the day, we are slowing them, not stopping them. and we are simultaneously empowering assad. that is the other side of this. >> so what's the way forward? >> well, the way forward is essentially to get the sunni tribes to turn against isis that will require the iraqi government to release more sunni prisoners, to form a coalition with those sunni tribes. and if we get more engaged, we short-cut that process. the way to stop isis in iraq has to involve getting the sunni

tribe to turn against them. >> do we split this up three ways and have a strategy for the sunnis and a strategy for the shia and the kurds? because right now if you're a sunni in iraq, you have to sit there going, wait a second, the very force is the shia going after isis are randomly slaughtering sunnis. if i have to choose between isis and having a shiite come after me and kill me, that's not really a hard choice for my family and me to make. >> right. and there are a lot of sunnis there who don't like isis and are repelled by the martyrousness. but on the other hand, they fear shia more and with good reason. we need not just three strategies but a dozen. and meanwhile, we have to be really concerned about how turkey is allowing the slaughter

of kurds. >> how do you feel about aggressively arming the kurds and telling them to go after them, defend your land. turkey is not going to like it but turkey is not much of a nato allie anyway. >> history over the last 50 years is a history to show the international community. and one group that has really been successful against isis has been the pkk, which is a pretty nasty group. but -- you know, i think we -- i think we have to put much more pressure on turkey to allow across border support for the kurds there. we can't just sit by and watch the slaughter of the kurds there. >> this comes down to an issue of ground troops. and general martin dempsey who spoke out about that, take a look. >> would we be more effective against isis if we had u.s.

troops on the ground spotting targets? if we had those ground troops. >> yes, there will be circumstances when i answer that question that will likely be yes. but i haven't encountered one right now. >> what kind of point would you -- >> i like to use the example of mosul to likely be the decisive battle in the ground campaign at some point in the future. >> when the iraqi security forces -- >> when they are ready to go back on the offensive. my instinct at this point is that will require a different kind of advising and assisting because of the complexity of that fight. >> i can't ever figure that out. i can't figure out whether martin dempsey is provoking the president or whether he's actually sending a trial balloon up for the president. i get at this point three or four times later, it has to be . he's saying, if you want to be serious about this, you have to put ground troops out there. >> my guess is he's pushing the

white house. i don't think that's the right approach. and i think tactically having spotters on the ground, strategically you risk empowering isis with americans on the ground. >> so what we want to do is send americans over there to get reports of more 19-year-old boys and women being killed in iraq. or having isis capture them and saying, we are going to behead this american on this date. i don't see it. let them win their war and let them fight their fight. that's why i would love for us to aggressively tell turkey, you had your chance. we have to let the kurds do what joe biden talked about years ago. take control -- basically say, here's the deal. there's a land rush in iraq. if you can control and contain your area, it's your area. >> one of the things that frustrates me is we always reach to the military toolbox.

and the military toolboxes has its use this is the short-run, but there's also the education toolbox. there are 3 million refugees in surrounding countries not getting an education. and ten years from now this state of jihadism in that region is going to be determined partly by whether we educate those people. >> mika, we spent trillions of dollars in afghanistan. >> yep. >> and what did we get? we get a guy that said -- >> thanks, but no thanks. >> a guy who said he was thinking about joining the taliban. karzai, we spent trillions of dollars in iraq and what do we get? maliki to declare war on the sunnis. and absolute thug. there is not -- i hate to sound like a piece from 1968, but there is not a military solution unless you have the right people on the ground that actually want to do what is right for their country. and we don't have those partners right now. and if we don't have those

partners, it doesn't matter what's happening. we can't send americans over there to do their bidding. >> right. you have short-term gains but unless you have that long-term strategy, what is going to result in the long term, it doesn't matter. >> all you do is blow things up, create a void and have isis sweeping across the middle east. >> thank you so much. >> the book is going great, right? >> yes. we are going around the country talking about it. >> that's great. still ahead, what's the most important thing for the country to do to help the economy? mark cuban says he has the answer. we'll tell you what this is, next on "morning joe." 't it beif there was an easier, less-expensive option than a traditional lawyer? at legalzoom you get personalized services for your family and your business that's 100% guaranteed. so go to legalzoom.com today for personalized, affordable legal protection.

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altman. also with us, cnbc's brian sullivan. brian, stocks coming off a man earthquake week where we saw the best days of the year followed by the worst. what's rattling the market? >> what's not rattling the markets is the question, mika. good morning. it really is the sign of unsurety by the market. they don't know what to believe. they have europe with their problems, china slowing down, you have all the problems now that you just talked about with isis. the other ebola concern. a lot of people say don't underestimate that if it spreads as far as consumer spending goes. you have a relatively low evaluation with a lot of counterforces in the market. i'm sure roger could speak to it more than i could, but there's confusion with arguments to be made. very powerfully on both sides. >> roger, we'll talk about it. very excited to have you here, we have been trying to get you here and it's hard to get you here because -- >> he's always traveling. >> always traveling and making money, doing deals.

that's my eddie murphy scene from "trading places." but you and i have been very optimistic, very bullish on america for the long run. warren buffett also very bullish. outside of this, not a lot of people saying what we're saying. why are you so optimistic about where this country is? >> well, there's a widespread sense around the country including in the media that when washington is stuck, america is stuck. and you hear that every five minutes, except that the country isn't stuck. and actually there's enormous progress being made by the traditional american combination of individualism, the private sector and local leadership. so take the economy. after five years of growing an anemic 1.9% following the great risk of recession, we have turned the corner very sharply with the economy growing at 3%. >> while the european union is

flat lining. >> right. and we have a good chance of growing at the 3-plus percent rate for the next two years absent a giant shock. we are creating 350,000 jobs a month. the unemployment rate has fall on the 5.9%. the median outlook is not the greatest we have seen but it is improving. then we look at the huge social changes occurring in the country. crime rates, 25 years ago crime was public concern number one. think about giuliani and the reagan years. crime rates have fallen by 50% in this country. the violent crime rate has fallen 70% in the cities. car theft has fallen 95% in new york city. why? bet policing, better technology and data. >> and you get back to the economy also. 2001, 2002, you had a lot of people saying the united states was going to be running out of oil supplies. we were going to be running out of natural gas.

and we have an endless supply of natural gas. and with the number one producer of oil by 2020. how does that impact the economy getting jobs back in america? >> there's enormous numbers in the analysis creating millions of good jobs, but they estimate 3 million jobs have been created by the energy revolution in this country. and it is a revolution. and we're reducing our stake, our energy stake in the unstable persian gulf. and we're producing our dependence on foreign capital. if you look forward a bit, by 2020 the energy is going to be completely self-sufficient in mexico. by the way, all driven by american-made technology and all driven by the american public sector. >> mika has a question, the great thing about this is that this didn't just happen. the energy revolution is

happening because of technology because people said, wait a second, there are better ways to get to our oil reserves. and it's changed the game. >> brian sullivan, let me bring you in to take it to roger, but we teased mark cuban. boy, he says the most important thing to do for the country is to actually slash student debt. because students are carrying massive amounts. it's embarrassing. the interest rates being put on students as opposed to other people. >> yeah, you know, mark cuban's idea, it was an at inc. magazine conference, it's getting pushback only because people said, how will i afford college? it's not going to bring down the cost of college yet, but he's on to something in a way where whenever you have easy credit, you can pretty much charge something for which there is an elastic demand. gm learned that in the 1920s. they were the first to offer auto credit and surpassed ford very quickly.

ford required cash. gm then had credit. people bought cars. the question is how do we bring down the cost of college? when you look at education, i've got a 1-month-old now at home and a 10-year-old, i'm averaging $75,000 a year as my financial planning for that child. $75,000 a year over four years, that's effectively buying the average priced home in a four-year period of which most people are going to have to borrow that money. >> $75,000 a year also can go to an expensive northeast college and study french literature. roger, thank you for being with us. come back soon, okay? >> appreciate it. up next, chrisley spends $300,000 a year on clothing. and his closet is the size of a giant kitchen. but do you know why chrisley knows best? up next, we'll talk to the stars of the hit usa network reality show. keep it right here on "morning joe."

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idol." >> oh, spencer. >> but the best kid ever. >> really. these two are amazing, thomas. >> this is very funny. i'm curious, how much of your parenting styles are amped up because the cameras are there? >> they are not. >> this is true you two? >> this is us. we wouldn't have -- that was part of our deal was that there would be no scripting. it would be you get what you get and won't do multiple retakes and what-have-you. you get what you get. >> the dramatic music helps. >> it does. >> i was thinking about maybe getting ahead, like when i tell my kids -- you are a self-made millionaire. you manage your kids the same way you manage your business. >> i do. lying at it that god gave us these children to do the very best job we possibly can. and to make sure that they are good, decent, honest human

beings, we didn't seek permission from the masses to have children. so you don't want to raise my children, you don't want to deal with my children when they walk into a restaurant and you're trying to have a nice dinner and they are running around the restaurant and throwing things, what have you, i want them to know there's a cops consequence for any action that there is. >> your kids don't do that? >> no, they do not. >> if my kids make a noise in a restaurant, they are up and i'm taking them outside. >> ours have been taken out many times. >> ours have had a come to jesus moment many times. >> what is the best and worst moment of the show? >> the biggest blessing is just being able to spend that time that may we would not have gotten to spend with our kids. they are teenagers, we're busy, we're working. you know, you get so caught up in your own life. >> you lose each other. >> yeah. so that forced us to be together more than what we would normally -- sometimes that's the curse as well, you know. >> the double-edged sword.

>> but you discover so much about each other, right? >> i discovered something, too, your son going to alabama, baby. that's big. his first choice was ole miss but you wouldn't bet him go there, why? >> chase is focused on the female anatomy right now so i need chase to have less distraction. not that alabama is going to give him a lot less distraction. >> i don't think so. >> are you worried, mom, about losing your son? >> absolutely. i am -- maybe i'm not as vocal as todd is about it, but absolutely. that's my baby and he's going to college. >> i sit and cry. she's like, todd, it's going to be okay. you're going to be fine. it's going to be fine. >> we have all these other kids, too. so it's like, and a grandbaby that lives with us full-time. so our house is never going to be empty. >> season two is coming up. this is going to be exciting. >>" chrisley knows best" debuts

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>> i learned to set my dvr tomorrow night for casey wilson in "marry me." on camera she was fantastic, but off camera she was nice and funny. >> it's that sweet pensacola sweet. >> exactly. >> i found her whole family lived on my street in pensacola. shout out for piedmont road. right by cordova elementary school. >> i think it's the night for our team. shall we do the dance? >> i hope so. >> do you have the song and the royals magic? >> you do the baltimore -- >> we should. that's the only way we win. >> it may jinx the orioles. >> really? >> you guys do the orioles dance and i will do the royals dance. >> i don't hear it. >> go royals, go royals, yay, yay, yay, royals! it's been great talking to you. thank you. stick around for the