dallas nurse accidentally violated recommendations regarding her protective suit while treating thomas eric duncan, the first person ever in the u.s. to die of ebola. >> someone is in a ppe, they're fatigued, been working for a long time. when they take it off, they do something inadvertent, like brushing their face or something like that. i don't know how it happened. the cdc is investigating it. that's very likely what happened. an inadvertent breach. we won't have a public outbreak. that's a different thing than an individual health care worker, unfortunately, getting infected. >> this is the second potential protocol breach at texas presbyterian hospital. the first was duncan initially being sent home with a 103-degree temperature because his travel history was not conveyed to his doctors. critics argue duncan and his nurse should have been moved as soon as those tests came back positive to one of the country's four hospitals with highly specialized units designed to handle this sort of infection. as we know, that did not happen.

we start with nbc's chris jansing at the white house. this is an oval office meeting, right? >> reporter: yeah. the president will be in the oval office, toure. this will be a speakerphone meeting with senior administration officials. we already know he talked with hhs secretary sylvia burwell yesterday as well as getting an update from lisa monaco, his point person. a couple things, and he'll want to know the latest on them. one is, what happened? that investigation is under way and cdc officials say they've been scrambling to interview everybody who had a part in this patient care. and they still don't know exactly why this second ebola infection happened. so, obviously, that's critical for them to find out so they can stop it from happening again. the second thing he ordered were more cdc officials there. a doubling down, getting to the area, making sure hospitals know what's going on. one of the things they're looking at very clearly is having sort of regional centers. there are four hospitals now who can handle this kind of situation. and the question is, is it

really logical to have more hospitals, to have a great number of hospitals, who are prepared to deal with this rather than isolate a patient and get them to a unit that specifically deals with this. another question they're looking at, should there be a small number of people who deal with someone who has ebola because right now they've been looking for volunteers. and, obviously, that's a situation you like to have. on the other hand, that increases the chances that somebody who is dealing with them, if it's a smaller number, could possibly be at risk for the infection. so, those are the kind of things they'll be talking about on this call. we may just get some pik pictures from inside the oval office in a short time, toure. >> chris jansing, thank you very much. let's head to dallas, the epicenter of the crisis in america. nbc sarah doloff is there for us. tell us about the protocols nurses and doctors are supposed to be following. >> reporter: well, it's a very meticulous process, toure, one that a cdc crew is inside the hospital actually observing right now to see if they can offer any other training or any

other assistance to avoid any future infections. now, right now, the key is locating this breach of protocol. and the investigation into it continues. officials are interviewing anyone and everyone who may have had contact with duncan to see if they can find out if anyone else was exposed and to see if they can find out where this breach of protocol occurred. now, this meticulous process, like i said, is so very important because people can be coming out of this isolation area with an infection, with bodily fluids. you know, something they can't even see. it-t could be very small. on their robes, on their face protecters. cdc very specific guidelines. you're looking at them. your outer apron, your gloves. all of those things have to be followed very carefully. if so, the cdc says there's no risk of infection. clean-up continuing 15 minutes from here as well at the nurse's apartment. it's being decontaminated. and disposal of items from eric

duncan thomas. then have been incinerated. they were set to be sent to the landfill in louisiana and the louisiana said they would file a temporary restraining order and the landfill said they would no longer accept that waste. it is very important to note, guys, the cdc says the ebola virus is killed when it is burned. still, louisiana attorney general says there are still too many unknowns when it comes to dealing with the ebola virus. back to you. >> sarah doloff in dallas, thank you for that report. here with us at the table, columbia professor steven morris, with a stint at darpa, the d.o.d., in addition to his work at usaid's emerging pandemic threats program. welcome to the show. is it possible the american medical community is either underestimating the power of ebola or doesn't fully understand the power of ebola, hence, the spread we're seeing? >> yeah, i think we've never seen ebola before.

it's been researched but we've never had cases come here before. so, many people just don't have the degree of practice with the protective measures and the personal protective equipment and how to do it. because you don't have to do it so rigorously. here any mistake can cost you your life. >> professor, two weeks ago we never thought that something like this could happen. this is not something that was passed along on the streets or an airplane. this was in the hospital when they were all wearing protective gear. so you ask the question, are all the nurses and doctors well aware of the procedures and the protocol when it comes to ebola? take a look at this poll. i found this interesting. it shows more than three-quarters of nurses have not been properly informed on how to deal with ebola. >> wow. >> does that surprise you? >> well, yes and no. with all the information that's recently come out from cdc, from all these other sources, targeted, not just as the general public, but at health

care providers and health care workers, i would have expected a higher level of awareness. that surprised me. on the other hand, most people are not -- most health care workers are not going to be dealing with this. they don't raealize, you know, what strict measures are needed and they may not even be thinking about ebola as a possibility. >> and you say most health care workers and most americans will likely have no degree of risk whatsoever. and yet people keep hearing about it. people are afraid. we have to balance the fact that fear is understandable and potentially helpful here and yet for everything we know about the science, this is not something that is going to lead to any kind of large-scale contagion unless it mutates. i want to get your thoughts on something in "the new yorker." fear is not a weakness. it's how people respond to danger. unless it's calibrated properly, fear quickly turns into panic. we need to stop acting as if the tragic unfolding in west africa

could happen here. ebola is difficult to contract. humans don't generally alter their mode of transmission. the idea being as long as this is through fluids, it's something most americans don't have to worry about. >> i agree with that. ebola carries with it a lot of baggage and connotations because of hollywood and thoughts people have about it. in hollywood, of course, viruss are always mutating and becoming more transmissible. but in reality, i think he's quite right. i can't think of a single example where virus has changed its mode of transmission or route of transmission. that doesn't mean it couldn't happen, but i think it's very, very remote. >> well, that's definitely encouraging to hear. as you think about this disease and how to counteract it going forward, as toure mentioned, you worked at darpa, the super secret department of defense

research arm, but you've also worked on disease countermeasures. is there a better way for us to get ahead of this disease? do we need to think differently about the protocols around this? >> no. that's a very good question. i think it deserves a lot of le thinking about it. we're dealing with these cases on an individual basis in west africa where obviously, you know, the greatest number of tragedies are occurring. we see -- we have to deal with it again at a large scale. we simply don't have the people to do it. i do think we have to think of some better ways to do it. during the smallpox eradication program, the original idea was mass eradication. bill fagge at cdc and heading the program in india thought, if we can't immunize 80% of the population, how are we get to get 100% of the population

immunized? he thought another way to do it with this ring vaccination, vaccinating people just in contact with or near known smallpox cases. that succeeded in exterminating, eliminating the smallpox virus. we may not be able to do it with ebola, but i think we need to think of ways to scale this up that don't require so much individual attention. >> before we start, you say we need two to three times the number of folks over there that we have -- that we don't have. that sounds scary. steven morris, thank you for your time. up next, what our tom brokaw calls a bigger threat to america than ebola. later. beyond hazing, a community shocked and divided over what allegedly happened in a high school locker room. the latest fallout and spin on "the cycle." fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more on car insurance. everybody knows that.

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while the media headlines are focused on ebola, isis continues to make gains in the middle east. nbc's tom brokaw believes this is where our focus should be. >> my own judgment is that most hospitals are making a real effort now to tune up, if you will, their ers and everybody's aware of it. the bigger threat to america is isis, frankly, than ebola. we have a system in place. a few deaths. it's a big, big crisis in west africa. it's the reality of the global world in which we live. but eyes is out there and it's not going away. >> today the reports out of iraq that isis has taken over a

military base in the anbar province. now they're just minutes outside of baghdad. a british official acknowledged today that air strikes alone won't be enough to stop isis. meantime, the white house tells us that turkey has agreed to let the u.s. and our allies use a major base there to launch air strikes against isis targets in both syria and iraq. that base is 100 miles from the syrian border making air strikes easier for the allies. let's be honest, despite three weeks of u.s.-led air strikes, isis continues its assault on the strategic town of kobani just across the border from turkey. what have we accomplished at this stage? nbc news pentagon correspondent jim miklaszewski is here to lay it out for us. what is this defense department news laying it out? >> u.s. d.o.d. and military and government officials stress again this is going to be a long-term fight. there are no easy, quick fixes and this battle with isis is going to be going on for years. the ability of the u.s. military

to use, we're told, three air bases, including just outside of istanbul, will be a huge plus for the u.s. military forces. quite frankly, because they won't have to fly as far, less pilot fatigue and you don't have to refuel in air. they'll make those air operations more efficient. it's not clear if they'll be more effective. as you know in kobani, the isis forces already inside of kobani have infiltrate the themselves, have melted into the buildings, the crowds, the people and they're difficult, impossible to strike from the air. so, air strikes are not the be all, end all. it will eventually take ground forces, not u.s. ground forces, according to the obama administration, but it will take years to put together an effective iraqi and coalition ground force to take on isis, which has pretty much

established their own islamic state there in iraq and syria, susan. >> thanks, mick. joining us now with more on the fight against isis is managing editor of foreign policy and author of "the invisible front." thanks for joining us today. >> thanks for having me on. so, now we just heard jim talking about the news out of turkey. obviously, a very important ally for the u.s. and the coalition in this fight. you know, at the same time, it doesn't seem like we are stepping up as much as potentially we could be to help kobani and fend off the attack on that town. so, how important is kobani really in this larger fight? >> it's important in some ways as a test for whether we will go alone or whether we have allies. we had u.s. officials yesterday say the turks are willing to let us use their bases. then turkish officials less than a day later said, no, they're not. there is some confusion whether turkey will let us use the base

or not. kobani is on the turkish border. so far the turks have talked tough. they said they'll use tanks and ground troops but they haven't done either. it's one town. the town matters. but it matters more because it will give us a sense of whether turkey is all talk or whether they're actually willing to put their money and their military where the talk has been. >> right. that's exactly what i wanted to ask you, about why they are so hesitant here? the reality is, we'll need a lot more from turkey. we'll need their boots on the ground if we actually want to defeat isis. what are they most hess tant about? are they trying to figure out who their worst enemy is, isis or assad, or are they unsure about what other long-term strategy is with isis? >> i hate to say it, with all of the above, with one other option. turks are worried about domestic politics in their own current. there's undercurrents in their country for sympathy for isis and they're worried about hitting that note of sympathy. a bigger one, as you indicate, for the turks they see assad as

the bigger threat. isis is a threat. they don't like isis being on their border. for them, the focus remains assad. they feel like helping us battle isis also ultimately help keeps sa sad in power, which they really, really don't to want see happen. >> and they don't want a ground war with isis, which everyone in america finds confounding except for the fact we don't want to do it either. sort of one of those kind of situations. i also want to get your thoughts while we have you, on iran. another big player with military and motivations. i want to read an analysis by an iran expert and international lawyer. she says calls for destruction of shia islam practiced by more than 90% of a iranians and iran's system of governance adopted by the iranian state, despite this and uven like other countries in the region iran perceives this as the threat of is as broadly external and

indirect. i link that to turkey in the only broader sense they see this as pragmatism. they don't like a group destroy shia islam but they also don't see it as a home threat. >> it's interesting. in some parts of iraq and syria isis controls, they've gone around in a literal sense taken paint and christian houses written the words, for christian in arabic on the door and done the same on houses for shiites. it's something out of the old testament of marking -- this is the religion we hate. this is the one we want to destroy. iran is pragmatic. they see isis as conquering part of syria, iraq, threatening turkey. they don't see hoards of isis tanks or trucks rolling over the border into iran. the question is, how much is iran working with u.s. to destroy isis? susan rice says, we don't talk. we don't koortd nature. iranian expert said, we talk, we

coordinate. that's a more important question, washington and too eh, do they work together? >> i want to talk about your book, heart-breaking story, two families that lost their sons in combat and one to suicide. among young veterans we have over 500 killing themselves each year. that's about 1.5 a day. what can we do better for our young veterans who are returning from war to help keep them from turning to suicide? >> you know, one of the figures that is most stunning to me is that you've had -- since these wars started -- more than 2500 suicides. which means we've lost more soldiers to suicide than in the war in afghanistan. part of it is money, part of it is resources and part of it is culture. the military, it's the definition of a hierarchy. when you have those at the very top say, i was depressed, i had

ptsd, i saw horrific things and it changed me -- >> you yourself thought i suffered from ptsd and now realize you were suffering. tell bus your own experiences. >> i lived in iraq and afghanistan for several years, primarily for "the wall street journal," and saw combat, saw explosions, saw the deaths of people around me and close to me. and when i came back, i had changed. i hadn't realized i wasn't the same person i was when i left until friends began pointing out to me i had flashes of anger or i couldn't sleep, i had nightmares. woke up at the smallest, lightest sound. finally an army end said, you have ptsd. not as a question. oe just said is outright. he was correct. the same issues that have kept many soldiers from asking for help, a feeling so makes them week, less than they thought they were. and finally, accepting it was

there. accepting that i needed help and getting that help has been a life-changer. >> we're so glad that you did, indeed, get the help you needed. thank you so much for joining us. up next, be it ebola or isis, increase the fear, increase voter turnout in the politics of all this, even without congress in session. plus, a line of serious storms moving across the country. so i can reach ally bank 24/7, but there are no branches? 24/7 it's just i'm a little reluctant to try new things. what's wrong with trying new things? feel that in your muscles? yeah... i do... try a new way to bank, where no branches equals great rates.

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arkansas on the border right there on the western border of arkansas. and we're also watching this storm as it pushes through. it's a very slow-moving storm that will happen throughout tonight, tomorrow night, into wednesday. so, as this pushes across, there are threats of severe flooding and severe storms, possible tornados and straight-line winds. so, keep an eye out right here on msnbc and also over on the weather channel. beel keep you informed as to what is happening. right here in nashville, they're expecting the storm to come through around 9 p.m. possible flooding happening right here. back to you guys. >> this is very early days of the strategy. the strategy is very clear. we'll do what we can from the air. we'll support the iraqi security forces, the kurds and over time the moderate opposition in syria

to be able to control territory and take the fight to isil. we'll do our part from the air and in many other respects in terms of building up the capacity of the iraqis and syrian opposition, the moderates. we're not going to be in a ground war again in iraq. it's not what is required by the circumstances we face. >> some will disagree with that view, especially after the new reports isis is advancing closer to baghdad. isis has taken a key base near the iraqi capital. here at home, some republicans say the shifting battlefield proves that president obama's isis strategy isn't working. the republican chair of the house armed services, for example, says the obama administration needs a broader strategy and other gop candidates have begun citing the rise of isis in campaign ads. they're betting the midterm elections, three weeks from tomorrow, might turn from jobs to foreign policy. now, will voters buy this new impetus? it depends on which voters we're talking about. for democrats economic issues are still the priority here. isis, lower down the list

according to new gallup numbers. for republican voters, take a look at this. isis has now jumped to the number two priority. even if gop attacks on the president's foreign policy don't persuade many voters, they can certainly strike a chord with the republican base in midterm elections usually depend, of course, on mobilizing that voice. brian is here to handicap the strategy for the new republicans. how are you? >> i'm fine. >> what do you think of that starting point where people say, are you going to move anyone over to this issue? maybe not. but we've seen isis shoot up for republican voters and does that bring them to the polls? >> i guess it could. republicans have to walk a fine line because i'm not sure what the polling says but i can't imagine support among republican constituencies is in favor -- >> let me jump in. the polling does not say there's an alternative to the president's strategy. it just says republicans, who are predisposed to be critical of this president, now think

this is the number two issue. >> yeah. and so the issue has always been bifurcated. for a decade now, going to war in iraq has been unpopular. missions to combat terrorist issues has been popular. videotapes that isis or isil released in recent weeks came out, it shifted the post-9/11 consensus on any terrorism in the united states pretty dramatically. i think that's why the president's sort of against his desires or against his better judgment, you know, started this air campaign and, you know, there's this mission creep towards an expansion of the campaign in iraq and syria. but that doesn't mean that t the -- the polling says republicans will win on the issue if they tiptoe too close to suggest we need to escalate to the point of sending troops back in. >> you touch on the point of popularity of military action. usually when the military saddles up and attacks someplace, the president's

polling goes up. there is support that is rallied for the president in the country. that has not happened here, even though many people think this is a righteous war. what's going on? why is that? >> i think part of it is just the politics of anti-terrorism are almost by definition not very rational, right? i mean, the way we've changed policy is the result of a couple of very gruesome videotapes. it's striking but not sort of like the post-9/11 era when there was a massive national consensus we needed to retaliate with military force. what happens since then is the country sort of became fatigued by the cost and the bloodshed required to sustain these efforts. that's the environment obama became president in. he won in part because he said he wasn't going to do this kind of foreign policy anymore. and in the current situation, he's not going to get bolstered by that. his base doesn't want it and neither does the country at

large. >> i first have to say, i really do like your haircut. it is great. i want to jump in -- >> the haircut or the opposite? >> -- in on something you -- >> it looks like a lot of hair. that's a lot of hair. >> i got it cut recently. >> ari, stop. >> all right. getting back. what you guys were saying earlier, though, ari you mentioned the gop has been hitting the president on his isis strategy when they don't put a policy of their own forward, to which i would say a republican is not in the white house. i've been quite frustrated with the lack of communication when it comes to the isis strategy. we are first started out as a humanitarian mission to get yazidis off the mountain, then air strikes. it's been two months since we started the air strictionz. i don't have a clear sense as to how we're doing. i read headline after headline. this morning, militants advance despite air strikes. that was in the wall street journal. i ask you, brian, where is the communication? where is the reassurance we actually know what we're doing or we actually have a strategy in place? >> i can't say i know there is one either.

you're right. it's been sort of like whack-a-mole. we had to create a policy that wasn't matched by any danger to the united states. the strategy was cobbled together. you know, one way i sort of see the politics of this evolve are one way to map it out is to look at what happened right before congress went on this pre-election recess. they had this vote on arming factions in syria. and, you know, it got pretty broad support. but the people who didn't support it in congress and the senate were people who are very likely going to run for president. and i think, you know, if you want to be a little cynical about this, the reason they didn't do that is that, you know, they're going to be running in a year and a half, two years from now. if this is still a story in the news, it's by definition not going to be a good story, right? >> right. >> and they don't want to have been on record voting for it. if it's not in the news, it's because the threat from isil has

been contained or because the country wakes up to the idea that it's not such a huge threat that we need to devote so many resources to it. and then the vote on whether to at the same time rebels won't matter much. i think you can see from that vote how it is that the people in congress are thinking about the strategy and why it is that the strategy seems to have been driven by the politics more than the other way around. >> right. if you're right about congress, it also goes to their cowardness because they never held the core vote on the strategy. they did the rebels as an aside thing. i think the public knows exactly what they're up to which is why they're opinion polls remain low. thank you. we'll go to a story that has the community reeling and entire nation talking and us talking as well. stay with us for that. you're driving along,

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has the latest. >> father, place your blessings upon the family and all of this community. >> reporter: hundreds gathered sunday night near the empty football field. the emphasis, not on the game but a mess little of anti-bullying. >> a lot of hurt. a lot of things going on. we need to come together as a community. we need to support the victims. >> it could have been their children. it could have been anybody's child. >> very upset about it. >> reporter: the rally a response to a hazing scandal inside sayersville celebrated football program. four freshmen alleged sexually abusive attacks by upper classmen teammates. seven students ranging from 15 to 17 years old were arrested over the weekend. on numerous charges including aggravated sexual assault and criminal restraint. exclusive reports in new jersey advanced media claim the assaults took place last month and involved the pinning down of a freshman before sexually

assaulting him. because they are juveniles, it's not part of the public record. concerned parents and friends worry the crimes will leave a long-long mark on the victims. >> the football season is a very small issue xcompared to what happened. i mean, kids were violated. the football season is nothing compared to the pain and hurt they probably will have to go through for the rest of their lives. >> not on the community feel that way. the criminal charges along with the superintendent's decision to cancel the remainder of the season for the multiple state championship winning team have created a huge divide in the town. some feel the whole team should not be punished for the actions of just a few. of course, we have to bring this to the table. everyone is talking about this story. let me be clear, this is far beyond hazing. this is an alleged crime we're talking about. this is actually as bad as it gets. so, any parent or any person out there that says, no one died here. no reason to cancel the rest of the season. how bad does it actually have to get to cancel a season?

the other thing that struck me is this is not just one student that did this. you have seven students here. who knows how many knew this was going on. not one person said, you know what, this is a bit too far. this is a bit too much. and it just speaks to the culture at play where you have these seniors that haze these new guys that come in. once they're seniors, they do the same thing. it reminded me of -- we've been talking so much about the nfl and the struggles they have had with women and abuse. and it starts at an early age. ray rice doesn't think all of a sudden, i'm going to go knock out my fiancee, right? this starts in high school, or before that, where they can get away with these things. i think if we talk about changing the nfl culture, we have to start at the high school level. >> you're right. it's not the hazing scandal. it's a sexual assault scandal. i don't fully understand why we're not calling this unwanted forced penetration rape, but, okay, putting that aside. it seems another example of how males of all age uses sexual domination to create a hierarchy

and establish who's in charge and who's beneath. if you think about the traumatization of a freshman going through that and having to liv out the season alongside the boys who did this. i can't imagine that. >> you're speechless. >> yeah. i think that's the whole point here. you've seen a lot of media, "new york times" referring to it in the headline as hazing. that is really a fundamental category error. we have to deal with that up front as the community's dealing with it. you got seven minors here charged with serious sexual offenses. in new jersey the aggravated sexual count would get you seven years tried as an adult. it should. sexual crime is one of the most serious crimes there. if these students were involved in a group dynamic and this was, quote, part of the program or the culture, then that goes up to everyone involved in that culture, including whatever adult supervision they may have had, which is why it's such a serious case and a disturbing one. what do you do about the football? it says something terrible that

accountability here means you have to suspend the whole program. if that's true, that's a statement by the people in charge that the program is beyond repair and it suggests this kind of conduct was interwoven with the way they do football. we have seen this problem at the school level and the colleges and in the nfl, as we all know. so, we need to root it out and xleen it up so people can play sports. the idea is not to eliminate sports from high schools. >> i do think canceling the season -- i come from a penn state family, right, so i understand how terrible it can be to cancel a season and see, you know, a scandal like this happen. i think it's actually really important here because we don't talk enough about the culture of the bystanders and other people getting involved. we're starting a national conversation around bullying, a national conversation around sexual assault on college campuses and starting to pull other people in. to say, it's not enough just to not participate. if you see or know of this wrongdoing, it is your obligation to get involved as part of this community.

and i think that's a message that canceling the football season -- >> and i think it speaks to the culture. sometimes you're afraid to say something. >> you can't be. >> a very difficult situation that, of course, we'll be keeping an eye on. to a market alert. stocks still struggling after last week's wild ride. tyler mathisen joins us with about 20 minutes to the closing bell. not much better this week. >> no. you know, when i sat down here to get ready about ten minutes ago, i thought i was going to say, well, today at least has been a calmer day in the markets than last week when we had routinely big triple digit swings. some as much as 300 points one direction or the other. but right now, the numbers make a liar of me. the dow industrials has really started to slide here in the last 15 minutes or so. they're now off about 130 points. that's about 0.8 of 1%. standard and poors off more than 10%, or 20 point. the nasdaq continues its brutal slide off another roughly 1% there at 4237. lots of things to worry about, ally, around the world.

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something ugly. >> this is such a caricature of indonesia, malaysia, and it does have the tinge a bits of the way that white racists talk about african-americans. >> he's tacking about islam-ophobia. which the nypd says hate crimes are up sharply, anti-muslim bigot try seem justified. radical islam is not a reason to condemn the entire religion, as nbc foreign correspond ayman mohyeldin -- >> they differ widely in how they interpret religion, and more importantly their views are shaped by their political environments and societies more so that this by specific -- >> islam religion is a peaceful faith with a belief system that

has been manipulated by its fringe just as christianity has been at times twisted to justify ugly behavior. -- that the majority of the world's muslims are to be fewer, but the pew poll conducted over several years finds muslims strongly reject violence. clear majority say suicide bombing is rarely or never justified as a means of defending islam. pew polls also finds al qaeda widely reviled. the book "who speaks for islam" quotes gallup polling that finds just 7% of muslims can be considered radical, but be -- "baas they sometimes amount to hinduism contained both gandhi and the fanatic that assassinated him. the fifth muslim to be awarded the prize since 2000.

to think we have a problem with global islam and it's okay to be afraid when we encounter one of the 2 million muslim americans. that's just laziness. we can deplore homofob i don't and repression in muslim majority nations without making it an attack, because those things exist in some christian majority nations as well. the politics of repression give hateful ministered room to provide a twisted version of it as a, and as salman rash did i said used the language to seduce. we know that some don't even no islam. some have bought islam for dummies from amazon just before embarking on their trip to join isis. liberals -- to not confreight, to not participate in the fearmongering and generalizing and phobia which turns the battle into a battle with 1.6

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