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global muslims. i see islam-ophobia as acceptable. and we owe it to our legacy to be better than islam-ophobia. that does it for the cycle. "now" with alex wagner starts right now. this is our freedom summer. that's how organizers are describing the ongoing protests if ferguson, missouri. it's monday, october 13th, and this is "now." >> peopler ready for change. protesters are call today world monday. >> the mood is jubilant and somber even as torrential downpours are coming. >> protesters march to the ferguson police department. >> we just learned arrests have
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been made. >> until we get substantive change, we'll be in the streets. >> the grand jury still hasn't decided whether to prosecute the police officers involved in the shooting death of michael brown. >> michael brown's father says he's still looking. >> i will never heal on the inside. >> every single day there is a black male who is killed by someone. [ chanting ] the demand for justice in ferguson, missouri has not let up. just hours ago professor cornel west was arrested along with clergy members. they were part of a group of hundreds of protesters marching today, in sometimes pouring rain, to demand justice for michael brown. the day of action comes at the end of a weekend of resistance one taking place two months after brown's shooting. earlier today six demonstrators
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were arrested for blocking traffic near the headquarters of emerson electric, prompting police to temporarily close part of the road. late last night in neighboring st. louis, they stayed into the predawn hours. dr. west called for a national movement. >> we from the old school have to do exactly the same thing in 2014 in ferguson and st. louis, but not just in missouri. i'm talking about los angeles, too. i'm talking about new york, i'm talking about philadelphia, miami. it's across the board. >> sunday saw some of the tensest clashes yet between police and protesters. early that morning during what organizers say was a peaceful sit-in at a quick trip convenient store, st. louis metropolitan police responded with armored trucks and riot gears and used battens and
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pepper spray to break up the. >> they pushed us back. i went back, i was on the sidewalk, i didn't see who sprayed me. i wasn't doing anything. >> police initially insisted rocks had been thrown at officers, but later clarified that the one rock thrown came after the arrests were made. joining me is heart lard law school professor charles ogle tree and staff writer for "slate," let me start with you first, professor, national action, national protests, you we see a broadening of ferguson to something that may be an inheritor of the civil rights -- >> we are seeing it. i think this movement here in ferguson, missouri, is a reminder of movements that
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happened 50, 60, 70, 80 years ago. people are fed up with young men being shot and killed. people are fed up with police having so much power. people are fed up with the lack of any real sense going forward in terms of criminal justice enforcement. i think we're going to see ferguson, like we saw what happened with trayvon martin, like we saw what happened with rodney king, like we saw with the people arrested in the '50s and '60s. all of that will happen again. i have no idea if, when or ever this event will stop. they're really upset and really angry. black, young, female, old, children, senior citizens, everybody is involved in this. you'll see more and more people coming to ferguson. >> jamal you have a piece talking about the very sharp racial divide over what happened in ferguson, specifically michael brown. i wonder, how do we begin to
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make progress when the numbers, the recommending ton research group re, should he be charged? 28% of whites, those numbers cut across basically every question, depending on who you're talking about. what is the sort of what are the prospects giving the steep and stark racial divide. >> it's not a hard question -- i'm sorry. go ahead. >> jamal, go ahead. professor i'll be back to you in a second. >> something that's optimistic, if you look at the polls, since ferguson, more americans than ever before agree that the criminal justice system is unfair to african-americans, so i think that provides the beginning of an opening for meaningful policy change. i've been thinking a lot about what this movement might mean going forward, and what people can do to sustain it, and what
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people can do to sore of bring it to next year and the year after. part of what i think is necessary for the large sustained movements is like an active goal. one of those goals could be given the increasing support for it across the political spectrum, sort of meaningful police reform, not just in sentencing, but better training, actual accountability for officers who use their weapons, in unjustified circumstances, sort of like pushing for america to take it very seriously when a police officers shoots one. right now it seems as if there's no real investigation. what it feels like is if you are in law enforcement, you can shoot someone, kill someone and not face any scrutiny. i think if the justice for michael brown movement wants to aim -- not aim higher, but aim broader, that is one thing they can focus on, really bringing
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the accountability they seek for michael brown -- or darren wilson to communities across the country. >> do there need -- i mean to jamal's point, did there need to be discreet, like a list of demands, if you will, in terms of reforming the justice system and the way we police in this country? >> i wouldn't call them discreet, but concrete things. look at the voting, one out of the five black people vote in ferguson, even though they represent more than 60% of the population. only three or four members. my goal is to -- this is a diversion community, i think that has to happen for things to
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move forward. if you don't have that. you're going to have kids in school now saying i saw a rally here, a 7-year-old black kid holding his hands up, that he had learned that from other people. when our children are learning these things, something is wrong, and we need to change that very quickly. there's been some vocal, real vocal criticisms of the civil rights movement in ferguson. we have been fooled all these years into thinking when a few gets through the doors, all is well. our generation has been guilty of confusing access with ownership. do you think that, you know, young black men in ferguson are angry at sort of the perceived -- the fact that older generation of civil rights fighter may not have asked for numb or not continued the fight in the way they should have? 678.
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>> some are feeling that previous generations had not done enough. generation don't seem tore as interested in the views or opinions or thoughts of people oat. it's simply opening up, listens, sort of devising a concrete strategy. >> looking for it and analytical ice, i think it's -- because through concrete goals, you can begin to build a consense that may not heal the divides, but certainly give people a better place from which to talk about
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what those divides are. >> in terms of the meeting of the generation, do you think that ferguson is an opportunity for sort of those legendary civil rights tactics. to merge with a decidededly 21st century definition? >> iffic look the at college campuses, students who are involved, i too am all around the countries, young people 40 years later. i think right now, the movement in ferguson, about ferguson, missouri, but it's also about the world and we're going to make sure we make some changes. >> it is indeed a story about america. thank you both for your type and thoughts. >> thank you. after the break, president
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obama is being briefed about the readiness of the u.s. health system. i'll speak with the head of the national nurses united, who says hospitals are not prepared and have acted like ostritchs with their heads in the sand. plus with reports that the white house may act to close gitmo on its own, the attorney for several inmates there joins me on set. that's all ahead on "now." huh, fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more on car insurance. everybody knows that. well, did you know you that former pro football player ickey woods will celebrate almost anything? unh-uh. number 44... whoooo! forty-four, that's me! get some cold cuts... get some cold cuts... get some cold cuts! whooo! gimme some! geico. fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more on car insurance. whoo! forty-four ladies, that's me! whoo...gonna get some cold cuts today!
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parol coals are in place, officials are now scrambling to explain house dallas nurse contracted the disease while caring for the first domestically diagnosed patient, eric thomas duncan. >> we have to rethink the way we address ebola infection control. evening a single infection is unacceptable. you don't scapegoat and blame when you have a disease outbreak said bonny castillo. weft a system failure. this afternoon, the doctor apologized. >> some interpreted that as
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finding fault with the hospital and health care worker. i'm sorry if that was the impression given. people on the front lines are really protecting all of us. >> while there's renewed focus on the vulnerabilities faced, those risks on an ongoing and dramatic future. >> according 416 medical personnel have contracted ebola in the hardest-kit countries, 233 of them have died. that level of infection is taking place in a region that is struggles against an inadequate health system structure. what's the worry here is the right equipment doesn't appear to have protected a nurse. joining me now is the president of the california nurses association and ko co-president of national nurse united. debra, was dr. friedan of the cdc, was hi apology enough? what was your reaction?
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>> my reaction is we don't want apologie apologies. we want the equipment we need to provide the care to our patients. safe and protected. we've already shown that over 75% of the employers still have not communicated a plan for taking care, they don't have the supplies they need to take care of any communicable disease, let alone the disease -- is that sort of lack of messaging and preparedness, is that unique to the ebola outbreak. it's unique to ebola, because it is a deadly disease, but it's not been unique that our employers have failed to prepared for any kind of emergency.
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the fact that 37% of the nurses say they don't have the proper safety equipment for just a regular day on the work schiff indicates to us that they're nowhere near ready, and they're putting nurses and other health care workers' lives at risk. >> has hospital management been more responsive today, given what has gone on with the nurse in dallas? >> we haven't seen that yet. and we're still concerned, because we've been talking about this for over two months, demanding that the cdc and employers implement a standardized property toll can optimal health care protection, health care equipment protection, and that has not happened.
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>> i don't think that nurses can, but there is a high degree of retaliation to nurses that do speak out. >> in this health care system, all of these hospitals have the option to implement these guidelines. there's no mandatory, regulatory system that monitors how these cdc guidelines are implemented. so we just really need to impress upon both the cdc and our employers that optimal protection is not optional, and we really need to make sure we protect our health care workers. >> debra burger with national nurseses united, thank you for the time. >> thank you. joining me is author of
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"reinventing american health care." always good to see you. they do not give the response from these institutions a passing grade, it sounds like. how much of an issue is this? >> look. if we're going to help health care workers, we do have to have a system and infrastructure that gives them the maximal feasible protection. i think what we are seeing in the case of the dallas nurse is the degowning process did not go properly, and that needs to be reexamined. we probably need to do a good job of reexamining the whole process of caring for the patients to minimize the chance of exposure and to look at those standardized processes.
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and it's important they're going told -- >> as i understand in emory, they were given an option, and so they understand. -- it doesn't doesn't change anything in my view. you have to give them the infrastructure. >> you mentioned the degowns process. this may be in the weeds medically, but i'm fascinated by this, and don't understand the best option. some folks say these hazmat suits increase the risk of cajun, because there's so much gear to take off. other folks say you need the suits, because this thing is not contagious, it's not airborne, but the virus can live on instruments, on gloves, on, you know, surfaces and stay around for much longer. which do you think is better --
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full gear or plastic gloves? are we over -- >> this is a matter of thinking. i'm not an expert in that. what you'd like to see people degown, film them and look for what's likely the most common breaches. you want to observe this over repeated times and see which one minimizes the breach is. if that's where the breach breach is. if it's in the degowning process, fine. maybe it's in other things. and it could be that the problem is in the failure rates. what it suggests to me is we need a systematic -- and i expect that's what dr. friedan said when we said we'll have to relook at our response. part of relooking at the response is looking at the kind of medical procedures we're doing, the ones that minimize the risk. i've already said, do you really want to intubate someone with
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ebola when they have respiratory failure and it's not going to benefit them. >> are we looking at this holistically. it seems reactionary. we're being told it's being handled and then something like this happens. and there's also theual of sort of aways in and messaging. that seems sort of institutional. >> i do think there is some reactive component, because you are in the midst of a risk, but i do think we have very good infection control processes. lots of doctors have not gotten widely infected. so we know we can contain this, and we know there is a whole sears yisz of processes that can be put into place and people can be trained to do this right. i'm actually, on this somewhat
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confident that this is going to be contained. that's not to say we won't have another episode, but the idea that this is going to lead to an outbreak, you know, we've had two cases in the united states. it's not hundreds or even scores, and so i think we are reacting and trying to do a pretty methodical job. i think the idea of regionalizing this, and since we don't have a huge number of patients, going to patients that are well trained, where the stade really have been very well trained in infection control and handling deadly cajuns is probably a better idea here. and one should, you know -- and we have seen that they have made some mistakes and, you know, we need to have a better -- probably a regional caring infrastructure and identify
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those hospitals where we're going to send people. >> let me ask you this one thing. one of the -- peter jolring, a top health scientist worries that it's mutated to become more contagious, now threat a different method -- but they talks about the viral load. does that sound right at all to you, that people seem more infectious? >> it's certainly a possibility. that wouldn't be at the top of my list for what causes this. even if it turns out to be true, we have to put -- i would focus on the response here and making sure the health care workers are as safe and implement the right procedures to minimize the infection. that's going to be -- even if it hasn't mutated, we have to do that.
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takeover at 57%, that all highlights the ambiguity and confusion ahead of november 4th, tonight mitch mcconnell and ails son lundergan grimes square off. while president obama will make his first campaign appearance this wednesday to help an emballotsed governor in connecticut. bill clinton camped out in arkansas last week to help mark prior yor who is down in the polls. the latest poll shows bruce b relate aley, while joni cass in mitt romney. >> i know that iowa voted for president obama twice, but iowa
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is not going to vote for bill braley a third time. >> joni will be an extraordinary breath of fresh air. i can't wait. >> nobody knows better about first and second chances than mitt romney. joining me is anna marie, mitt romney is back on the campaign trail. what is up with that? >> well, i mean, i don't know. he did so well in iowa before -- i -- >> exactly right. continue that sentence. it just ends in like a dot dot dot. nonetheless he's out on the campaign trail. the weirdness of this whole midterm season is ahead of us and behind us and around us. republicans really do think this mid material is about obama. they want that romney/obama contest again.
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they think maybe this time it will work, but it also speaks to this is a different set of choices republicans do want this to be a retest -- and re-context between obama and romney again. if you look at democrats, they are looking at issues in a much wider range. they don't think this is about obama. independents don't much think so, either. in iowa, they're definitely hoping they can use that, more of an anti-obama vote. >> i guess i'm confused about what exactly we are litigating. presidents have been more detailed about the fact this is about minimum wage, about economic policy, this is about infrastructure, but then you have ads like this from the agenda project action fund, a progressive 501 c 4 that's about ebola. let's take a listen.
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washington actually can cut spending. >> the cdc says the discretionary funding has been cut by $585 million. >> cut less government. >> cut -- >> cut -- >> cut -- >> our budget has been flat since 2003, responding to an emerging threat, this is particularly damaging. >> i will be fair. that is about, you know, funding of government, and there are different views on the sides of the aisle, but there are also a lot of rubber gloves and scary ebola in big red letters. does that kind of -- we've been hearing talk on the campaign trail in senate and house races talking about ebola and isis. i just wonder how much you think fear is a driver in the senate -- november mid terms. >> again, this points to a partisan and ideological breakdown. fear is a much stronger voter for people on the republican side of the aisle than for
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democrats. democrats tend to not get motivated by fear quite as strongly. this might be a play for sort of independents. this might be trying to point out that the democrat can go in on that turf if they want to. it's true since one line of thinking right here is we shouldn't be scare-mongering about ebola, period, we should be sane about the way we talk about ebola. i'm not sure how helpful that ad is, about you it shows we can play on that ground, too. >> we can terrify people, too. alison lundergan grimes and mitch mcconnell will be debating. last week she got some heat because she refused to ted the editorial board whether or not she voted for obama. if you are a debate coach, anna marie, what is your advice?
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>> well, if i'm a debate coach, i think you have to explain why i didn't -- i shouldn't say truthfully -- she did give this -- it's an honest answer to say the ballot box is sacred, we have a secret ballots for a reason, but i think you have to come out one way or another, but i don't think you can stay behind that. as much as we respect the ballot box, we prefer our elected officials to be as transparent as possible. that is what i would do if i were her. you have to ask, what is she hiding? i mean, she's probably not hiding anything, probably just doing the thing that unfortunately we see a lot, democrats doing this weird dance around obama if they're in any state that has any kind of conservative swing vote. >> another last question about iowa, joni ernst, 47%, bruce
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braley at 46%. the name people can't seem to remember, jed they're still talking about joni ernst and her hog coals traiting skills, or aluting to them. you are a daughter of the midwest. >> they're going to go bruce, bruce, bruce, i think the non-ernst candidate will do okay. i think bringing in mitt romney highlights it's about being the not-obama candidate on the right. i think braley has a chance. >> always good to see you. thanks for your time. the seismic shift occurred in the catholic church. we'll have more, just ahead. [ male announcer ] it's a warning. a wake-up call. but it's not happening out there. it's happening in here. [ sirens wailing ]
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we do not know what press reports are referring to. that was the white house response to a report in the "wall street journal" on friday claiming that the president was drafting options to close gitmo on his own through executive action, citing unnamed senior administration officials, the journal reported the president was weighing one of two options for making good on his long-held vow to close gain tan i don't. according to the article, the options were either veto the authorization act in which the ban on transferring detainees is written, or sign a bill while re -- and infringement of his powers as commander in chief.
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to transfer the detainees on his own to facilities in the u.s., but the administration denies the journal report. on friday national security council spokeswoman caitlin hayden said she had no clue about what they were about. president obama has tried to close it several times, but each time congress has stopped him by passing a defense bill banning transfer of detainees to the u.s. this year the president announced this needs to be the year congress lifts the restriction on the detainees transfer. this needs to be the year. the question now is, if it isn't the year for congress to close gitmo, will president obama do it alone? joining me now is law professor at the city university of new york who also runs a law clinic representing a number of prisoners. thank you for joining me, professor. thank you.
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would closes gitmo be a good thing in service of transparency? >> absolutely. it's a separate question. whether practically would it be possible? the majority of the prisoners have been cleared for release by all of the security agencies and the u.s. governments, 78 prisoners that the cia, department of state, say they should go home or be resettled in third countries. would it be in the u.s. interest to do so, absolutely. they have all recognized for years it is against the u.s. national interests to have that prison open because of what it represents. one of the reasons is it's obviously used by various groups like al qaeda, like isis as a prop ganta tool. when we were talking about the segment, the notion that they would be taken out of -- and
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then have some kind of trial, seems more pie in the sky. >> yeah, but that's exactly what they said. they want their free done or a fair trial, but the idea that they should remain in prison for most of them, without charge, without trial, without fair process, not only does that run against america's vision of itself, our own values, our rule of law, but it violates international law. it's the reason why the entire international community have all said this can't continue. they were wearing orange jumpsuits, some kept in guantanamo-like conditions, but there's a lot of fear around
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them with radicalization in the u.s. how do you think that is changes the conversation? to be honest, i don't think it should. i don't think the impetus should be the negative set of factors that you mentioned having to do with prisoners being put in orange jumpsuits. the main reason to close it it's unlawful, immoral, runs against american values. and violates the rights of these men that have been there for over a decade. i think the administration should resettle other rebapatrie the majority who have been cleared for release. for the remaining prisoners decide whether it's enough to give them a fair trial in a u.s. court, and if there isn't that evidence for whatever reason, we tortured them or can't use admissible evidence, then release those men.
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do they have the as soon as that they are going to be -- to me, it's a wonder that they remain hopeful. they're hoping that the administration will do the right thing, that it will make good on its promise, and not just for -- which would actually make closing guantanamo meaningless, and put us in a worse place, and in the way that the "wall street journal" reports suggests that the white house is considering. >> it's worth noting. >> every commander and soldier in this homicidal terror network will take the news about shutting down guantanamo while we're at war as another singular sign as a lack of will by the u.s. and commander in chief. that is -- that is -- that is
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a -- an incredibly scathing critique of a process that would moved them, which as you pointed out basically means gitmo's closure is completely ineffective, it means nothing. >> and it's a very dangerous place for us to end up as a country. it really would be unprecedented for the president to move that number of indefinite detainees on that scale and to normalize that practice. it makes it likely five years, ten years from now, in military detention without trial, as precedent. >> it is a thorny and complicated subject for some, for others it is the right move is quite clear. thank you, professor, for your time. >> thank you. >> coming up, the vatican is opening its doors to a group of people that once called a troubling phenomenon. i'll tell you who those are,
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11 years ago, the catholic church called homosexual a troubling moral and social phenomenon. a couple years and you have that pope john paul ii called it a threat to the family. but today the vatican took a different approach. in a document released following a meeting of bishops from around the world, a meeting called by pope francis, the vatican urged pastors to be more welcoming to gays, saying that homosexuals have gifts and qualities to offer the christian community. it was an an unexpected and welcomed chapter for the nearly 2,000-year-old church, one with considerable implications. but while the vatican is making some landmark steps to be more inclusive and move albeit slowly into the 21st century, the same can't be said for other conservative institutions and folks.
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as the company becomes more tolerant, and with gay marriage effect tifbly legal in 30 states, some members of the republican party are standing firm on of bigotry in the past. case in point -- mike huckabee, who finds the notion so distasteful decided he would leave if the grand old party refuses to fight. >> they they want to lose people like me and a whole bunch of till god-fear iing people, go ahead and absent indicate your issue, and go ahead and say abortion doesn't -- at that point you lose me, i'm gone. i'll start finding people that have guts to stand. i'm tired of this. given the tide both domestically and internationally, when it comes to basic civil rights, mr. huckabee might do well to listen to another group of still
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god-fearing bible believing people on the other side of the atlantic. that is all for now. i'll see you back here tomorrow at 4:00 p.m. eastern. "the ed show" is up next. \s. live from new york, let's get to work. we're basically selling citizenship for half a million. >> this is a simple story of massive fraud. >> this eb-5 scandal. >> 5 is a category specific to immigrant investors. >> sometimes called citizenship for sale. >> they get to cut to the front of the line. >> the kind of fraud when money, greed and absolute power corrupt absolutely. >> there's a lot of weird very troublesome things that have happened. >> this was done under the watch -- >> former governor mike rounds surrounded in controversy over an economic development project.
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