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god-fearing bible believing people on the other side of the atlantic. that is all for now. i'll see you back here tomorrow at 4:00 p.m. eastern. "the ed show" is up next. \s. live from new york, let's get to work. we're basically selling citizenship for half a million. >> this is a simple story of massive fraud. >> this eb-5 scandal. >> 5 is a category specific to immigrant investors. >> sometimes called citizenship for sale. >> they get to cut to the front of the line. >> the kind of fraud when money, greed and absolute power corrupt absolutely. >> there's a lot of weird very troublesome things that have happened. >> this was done under the watch -- >> former governor mike rounds surrounded in controversy over an economic development project. >> i believe the ep-5 project
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was good for south dakota. >> we had millions missing. >> potential $140 million fraud. >> the former secretary of the governor's office of economic development committed suicide. >> we just heard saying that it couldn't have been a suicide. >> i don't believe that squares well with the people here in south dakota or anywhere in the country. >> good to have you with us. thanks for watching. well, in three weeks voters will decide if republicans will control both houses of congress. some have been predicting doom and gloom for the democrats for months. tonight i'll show you what the beltway just might be missing. i spent last week in iowa and in south dakota. in the hawkeye state, new polls shows joni ernst slipping to a one-point lead over congress and bruce braley, mike rounds is sinking like a rock in his bid to fill senator tim johnson's seat. prairie pop you list rick
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wallace former senator and so-called independent larry pressler brings up of here. >> these put in over $2 million into this race. the dscc put money work that, hammering rounds for his questionable handling of the eb-5 program. >> you've had heard about mike rounds citizenship for sale schemes, the fallout, the investigations, turns out there's more. after using a beef packing plant to sell citizenship to wealthy chinese investors, rounds gave special tax breaks to a shady offshore corporation to keep the scheme afloat. mike rounds, schemes, special favors, vargz, the commit aye is responsible for the content of this advertising. >> what is the eb-5 program?
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it gets very little media attention. eb-a allows foreigners to obtain u.s. green cards by investing a minimum of $500,000 in american business project to create jobs. the eb-5 issue has south dakota voters' attention at this hour. i was in aberdeen, south dakota, home of the northern beef packers plant at the heart of this scandal, the $115 million northern beef packers plant went bankrupt when the chinese eb-5 investors bailed out. mike rounds was the governor when south dakota was selling the u.s. citizenship to chinese investors. rounds and his former administration are neck deep in this scandal, and it may cost the republicans an easy win on the prairie that they were counting on. the rounds administration's crown jewel of economic development had a lot of hope and promise, but not much else. nothing from the start seemed to work. locals say the project was flawed from the start,
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michiganed, underfunded. in the end, a big cost to the taxpayers. >> eb-5 is an immigrant investor program that allows wealthy foreigners to purchase a green card, permanent residency into the united states for $500,000 if they put that money in a local project. here in south dakota, something went terribly wrong in the administration of this program during governor mike rounds' tenure as governor. his employee, ymt olt bowl len signed an illegal contract with a company he owned to privatize the program. this was something the eb-5 program was a company component of mike rounds' economic development strategy. case in point, the northeastern beef packers plant here in south dakota.
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$100 million beef-packing plant that is now bankrupt >> no one here in south dakota knows exactly how the eb-5 scandal is going to affect the selection, but for governor rounds, it is certainly his biggest challenge. he's trying to convince people of the state that there was a multimillion economic development project going on with this meat-processing plant. his office was administration a program, but he didn't do anything wrong and he didn't know anything about t that's a tough sell. >> i believe it was good for south dakota. >> it was sold to the people this was going to be a big economic boost in the community. >> correct, and everybody in the community got behind it, was giving them credit. they wanted it to succeed, because it was going to be a big economic boom for aberdeen. >> who is on the hook for the money to the city? >> well, the city probably won't get that money. >> after using a beef packing plant to sell citizenship to
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wealthy chinese investors, rounds gave special tax breaks to a shady offshore corporation to keep the schema afloat. >> i was trying to find out how much it lost. i got ahold of the bankruptcy records. >> reporter: who is responsible? >> i think it goes back to the beginning. it goes all the to the top with the eb-5 money. there was 90 investors who put money into this project. that totals $45 million extra on top of the $$19 million allocated. a lot of that money is just gone. we know who didn't get the money -- the people in aberdeen. >> i think there were promises made that were never kept. >> what happened to the beef processing plant, from your perspective? >> they were behind the eight ball, to start with.
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as far as funding, and that was probably the biggest obstacle. they couldn't actually go out and buy enough cattle to supply the plant. >> i saw a lot of things that weren't correct. even building the lagoons, we couldn't get the right equipment. >> so corners were cut? >> lots of corners were cut. >> poorly managed? >> very terrible. >> did you still get paid? >> we haven't been paid for our wages 15 months later. >> the day the plant closed, roughly within a month, 20 apartments vacated. the employees really didn't have ties to aberdeen, so their wages quit, they just up and left. >> costing you money. >> a substantial amount. and not just me, but the people i manage for, too. >> how sour is the town? >> a lot of people are still
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hopeful. i still have empty apartments. there was a lot of new construction that came in at the same time. we had a shortage of apartment. i hope it does open up. >> the voters are most certainly talking about eb-5 every single day. we've seen that reflected. mike rounds is a former two-term governor of the state of south dakota. >> look, america is not broken. >> this has hurt not only the aberdeen area economic with this beef packing plant, but in fact has risk the reputation of our entire state. mike rounds championed this program on the state's good name. >> "the ed show" reached out to mike rounds to invite him onto the program. rounds has not responded to our request. if i had to go back to south dakota to interview the former governor, i will do that. joining me is democratic candidate for the united states
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in south dakota, rick whyland. good to have you with us tonight. your poll numbers are moving up. is that because of eb-5 and as residents become aware of what's unfolded with the story? >> i think that's part of it, ed. i've been traveling nonstop to every town through south dakota, my second tour through. i really this is that that kind of campaign, that kind of grassroots is connecting with the voters. >> what's important to the people in south dakota. ? what is the linchpin? right now it's on the side of big money, special interests. i came out against eb-5. i don't think we should be selling citizenship and i don't think we should be selling a seat to the united states senate itches is that what happened to the beef processing plant, that
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citizenship was being sold? >> i don't think that sets well. for half a million bucks, gut to cut to the front immigration line. i don't think south dakotaens like that. no one should be able to buy their way to the front of the line. that's what's wrong with government right now. this is government on big money steroids, and it's being rejected by the people of south dakota. >> here is what larry pressler, running as an independent, he of course is another choice, it's a three-way race there in your state. here is what he had to say about his involvement. >> if there is a problem there, the new senator will be vetted in his first year. i've been in the senate for 18 years. i know how these things work. you're not really vetted until you get to washington. these campaigns -- they play
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such low salaries, they cannot be investigative journalists. but next year it will be investigated, and then we'll know what questions to ask. >> rick, what's your response to that? >> he raised a good point at that debate. i do believe there is a full-blown media investigation under way. i don't know that we'll ever get an official answer for the committee that was established by the legislature between now and the end of this election cycle, or for that matter from the u.s. attorney's office. frankly, ed, i have to go back to what i think this campaign is more about that's big money politics and buying citizen-. when you talk about what -- and how big money is calling the shots, i think primarily that's why i'm going to win. with this eb-5 parameters, the
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crowned jewel of mike rounds' -- why isn't there an investigation if there were millions missing? >> there may end up being one. when you're governor of the state of south dakota, you good et to take credit for the things that go right on your watch, but you also have to take responsibility for the things that don't go so well. that unfortunately has not happened in this case. the south dakota press knows that, eight papers have come out demanding more information, wanting to know what people knew and when they knew it. i think this thing will unfold. unfortunately we're getting down to the last three weeks, it may come out as senator pressler said, at the end of the election. >> senator tom harkin will be on iowa turf on your behalf in sioux falls. will that help? >> oh, yeah. i'm never him for years. he's out there still pushing for an increase in the minimum wage, expanding social security, all those things i've been talking
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about in my campaign, and i'm excited to have him out here on my behalf. he's right next door. he's good people. >> rick weiland, good to have you with us. david, good to have you with us tonight. why isn't there a criminal investigation if there's so much money missing? >> there have been, and thanks for having me on. and concluded in november, that was on the verge of filing felony charges against a former state cabinet secretary richard benda, accusing him of misappropriating $550,000 in a state grand that went to an eb-5 funded project, a northern beef
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plant. that investigation concluded after he died by suicide in october. the attorney general said he didn't find any evidence to brings charges against anybody else and make them stick in a court of law. okay, the -- excuse my. i didn't mean to interrupt you. >> there was a federal investigation, when they received a grand jury subpoena back in april last year. that federal investigation, we haven't heard much from them. . it's possible they've concluded and didn't find any evidence to bring charges. it's possible that they concluded and are waiting under after the election to brings charges. it's possible this is still ongoing and just one of those investigations that takes year. the federal officials have refused to comment. we have no idea what's going on. >> okay. but since that suicide took
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place, everything kind of fell by the wayside as far as the investigation is concerned? is that -- >> as far as we're aware. the state investigation is closed. the attorney general has said if anybody has any of wrongdoing, he might reopen it, but he's not aware of any prove he can to bring charges. from your reporting, how deep was the rounds administration into this? >> well, the rounds administration definitely championed the eb-5 immigrant investor program. >> and it never worked, did it? >> well, there are actually a number of projects that were successfully funded by eb-5 and are still going today. there are also several high-profile failures. there have been slaughterhouses, a casino, a power plant, all of have received eb-5 money and still operating, apparently successfully. there's also the beef plant, which of course went bankrupt,
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and several daries funded by eb-5 also went bankrupt. >> the city of aberdeen, the sense i got there is they feel like they really got shafted on this deal. did you send that? >> people in aberdeen were promised a lot from this. as they try to make it a new center in the cattle industry. and so far, none of that has happened. looked like it passed some -- to help get it built. there were more public expenditures. the northern beef plant was sold as a bankruptcy option and the new owners are apparently trying to restart it. where did all that money go. to the tune of half a million to
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see a green card, tonight in about $100 million in eb-5 investment, which is a lot of money for that side. no one is really quite sure where all that went. is it fair to come to the conclusion that there's money missing, money unaccounted for when you have employ crease saying these worked at this plant. >> you can certain speculate. i don't think there's evidence that suggests that yet. one of the arguments i heard is the plan was poorly built and there were a lot of bad decision and they had to keep coming in and fixing stuff. that's just a suggestion, there's no real evidence for that. there's just a lot of unanswered
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questions about how exactly this plant just kept getting more and more money. >> and it seemed that people in the know should know exactly what happened, if anybody is doing any due diligence or doing any pro forma to do a project worth hundreds of millions on the prairie. very interesting. david montgomery, i appreciate your time tonight. thank you. remember to leave us your thoughts at the bottom of the page, also like us on "the ed show" on facebook. culling up. governor scott walker has a horrible night of debating. his bad performance could cost him his job. we'll break it down when we come back. first, a texas nurse has tested positive, health professionals are not prepared for an outbreak. the leader of the national nurses united and vaccine doctor, join me. stay with us. we're right back.
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welcome back to "the ed show." we have some major updates. a texas nurse who treated thomas duncan has tested positive for ebola. it's the first case of ebola transmission within the united states. the diagnosis was confirmed on sunday by the cdc. the cdc said an unknown breach in protocol led to the nurse's infection. the nurse could have been exposed while taking off her protective suit. earlier today the cdc said they will double their outreach and training efforts. >> we have to rethink the way we address ebola infection control, because even a single infection is unacceptable. we're not just doing an investigation, we're immediately addressing anything that had potential make it safer and easier to care for people who
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have or may have ebola. each time we identify a process or training or equipment or protocol that can be improved there, were improving it right there on the site. >> the contracts already has been training and guidelines in place. they put out new educational material just last week on how to protect health care professionals, but the message isn't being delivered, a new survey from national nurses united says many hospitals around the country are not prepared to handle ebola. 76% say they have not provided any policy regards admiration of ebola patients. 85% say the hospital has 23409 provided education, 37% say the hospital has insufficient protective gear. on sunday the national nurses united held a press conference in oakland, california, they are calling for full training of hospital personnel to handle ebola. they also want adequate
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protective gear and isolation units. these hard-working nurses are simply calling for the basics. there is no reason that hospitals around the country can't train and prepare for this deadly disease that wasn't supposed to come here. for more, let me bring in jean ross from the national nurses united and dr. peter hotez, a director in texas for vaccine development. great to have you both here. ms. ross, shoo how concerned should we be that a nurse has tested positive for ebola? >> well, at least as concerned as the rest of us nurses of. it is impossible for us to protect 9 public if we can't expect to protect ourselves. so we have been calling for optimal protection for us, not just the basics that should cover it. when we see people in the media treating ebola patients, no matter what country or
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hospitals, they wearing hazmat suits. we believe the standard should be set for everyone. >> are you saying there's hospitals in this country that do not have full hazmat suits to deal with this? they just haven't invested in it? >> well, there's a variety of responses. you know, this is part of our problem. if you had like a national health care system where you could coordinate and had some actual enforcement to your dictates, for example, in canada, when they had the sars epidemic. that would be one thing, but we have a piecemeal fragmented system that's private. you can't necessarily tell people what to do. the cdc is urging hospitals to put things in place, but they are free to choose what they want. if one hospital says, yes, of course we'll do hazmat suits, and others say, no, we've been told that a gown and gloves, one pair of gloves is perfectly adequate with a mask, then that's what they are going to
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do. we are calling for a universal standard of safety for all nurses and health care workers. >> dr. hotez, how could this infection have been prevented? your thoughts. first of all, thank you for having me. the ebola virus infection is one of the most complicated diseases to treat. as the patient progresses with the illness, the viral load, the amount of virus in a patient's body grows to enormous levels. this is why this virus is so evil. it can grow to billions and billions of virus particles that completely overtake the patient. so there's really very little, if any margin of errors in managing a patient. now you throw on to that of the felix of you're into waiting this patient or used a needle dialysis. we don't have -- that you also have to true.
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this creates a very complex set of circumstances. >> how concerned should the general public be, doctor, when the head of the cdc says we have to rethink what we are doing after telling the american people last week that they had control on it. i think, you know, when an ebola patient first presents i think we saw what happened in dallas. providing the context, isolating the context, and as a result we've had no additional ebola cases from that one index case. that may be a different matter and may remember a level -- that may require putting individuals in regional centers of excellence rather than any
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community hospitals. so this is something that's going to have to be looked at very carefully. >> doctor, what is your response to the nurses, who are saying that the health care providers are not being properly protected, and they're calling for more precautions? >> i think from my sxerges as a former pediatric house officer, one of the things i learned about being a peet tries is you always listen to nurses. if a nurse is telling is they're not having adequate training, i think that's something we have to take very seriously. >> i think it's probably doing the best it can. they've had that you are funding cut, too, just as many other
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things that are important to nurses and the public. i would look at the kind of instruction where you have a discussion about how many nurses, for example, it takes. if you are to doff and don garb, appropriately enthen that's what it takes, you've doubled the number of health care workers. so that kind of things has to be taken into account. the time people might slip up is when people don't have the time to do what they need to do appropriately. that's what we need to practice. >> jean ross and dr. peter hotez, thank you for your time. coming up, the rapid-response panels weighs in. plus when in doubt, blame president obama, even for the ebola virus. pretenders coming up. i have your questions next. stay with us. financial tomorrows a reality for over 19 million people.
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we have the time for one question tonight. its from faye. she says why should i vote for a democratic candidate when they are distancing themselves from the president? that's a really good question. first of all, you don't want to vote for a republican, if you are a democrat, just because of president obama. i don't understand the down side. we have more jobs, private sector jobs, the stock market is going up, the automobile industry has been saved. the president has brought us health care. look, if you want to run from that, what are you running for? stick around. the rapid response panel is next. i'm hampton pierce been with your cnbc market wrap. stocks slide late in the session on worries of the economy and a travel slowdown due to ebola. the dow plunging 223 points, the s&p off 31, the nasdaq falling
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after friday night's debate, that lead could grow he hayes standing by the voter i.d. law that makes it harder. >> this is a common-sense reform. i was at a town hall meeting in appleton where i took questions from the crowd. one person asked me how many cases of fraud have there been in this case. i asked among us, who would be that one person that would like their vote canceled out? >> pretty slick answer. this guy wants to make it harder for 300,000 people to vote, into you one person might commit voter fraud, and that hadn't been documented. this bog gus voter i.d. law is a scam to republicans can stay in power. it's so bad that the supreme court stopped law from being implemented. the topic of minimum wage also backfired. he managed to dodge the question
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twice. >> governor walker, do you believe a wisconsin worker can live on a minimum wage? do you believe the state has an obligation to make sure workers are paid some sort of minimum wage? >> i believe the state should be focused on creating jobs that are much greater than minimum wage. i worked at mcdonald's as a kid. i didn't expect that would be my lifetime's work. we have to have opportunities for union people. >> here is the shocker. walker also said there are plenty of jobs in wisconsin. >> there's a web side that the state has. right now this week, there's over 70,000 job openings on that. we have a work problem. we have to connect the dots between people looking for a job or looking for a better job and the skills these need to fill those jobs. >> i think he's insulting workers, when he says wisconsin
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has a work problem. if there's a low voter turnout, i believe dems in the country are in trouble. walker has gone after voting rights, he says no to minimum wage. he's cut the education funding to the tune of almost a billion, and he has said no to obama care and expansion of medicate. he has failed to create the jobs that he promised he would. if he wins, wisconsin as i see it, will be in deep trouble, but he has the money. joining me tonight on our rammed response panel, editor of progressive magazine ruth conif. katrina, you first. i think wisconsin is a microcosm of middle-class america, which walker on record has repeatedly attacked itches it's the homeplace of labor unions. there are national implications
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if this governor wins. he is the koch brothers poster boy. the governors association has vowed to pump in some dlsh he is out of touch of the economic realities and the midwest families. you know 60% of minimum wage earners in wisconsin are women? he's basically saying, hey, you don't deserve a raise. he's also out of town -- wisconsin's dead last in jobs. this is a governor who came in promising to create jobs. his priorities are all wrong, and ed, he is a poster boy for the extremism of republican governors across this country. a good wisconsinite will see through it, but the voter suppression, that's what it is. these republicans, governors, others, go around the world and talk about democracy and letting people use their precious right to vote. then they come home and suppress it as hard and as fast as they can, because they know that
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minorities, single women, young people aren't in their camp. >> ruth conniff how will this play, a governor distance franchising of 300,000 people is worth it. how else do you read it? >> you can see how far a state has moved to the rights when the roberts court has to intervene to impose rationality, but that's where we are. actually, i think you see that again and again with scott walker. the debate, i think he was very smooth, if you weren't listening to the content, you would think he has it under control. makery burke pointed it out, he makes it sound so reasonable. he says, we8, i just want health and safety for women. that's where mary burke kind of lost it.
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basic health care, all over our state, tens of thousands of women. so he presents in this kind of moderate sounding jenting way, an agenda, as katrina says, is the far right-wing agenda, that have people with no control, and to ram through some really extreme right-wing policies. >> you know, ruth as a progressive is out there doing a great job, but i think it's important to continue to expos how too much of our media's mainstream extremism. he is slick scott, right? but what he's talking about is so out of sync with what the republican party in wisconsin a decade ago was. republican governors in wisconsin have used a statute to increase the living wage. tommy thompson did so. so you've got a movement among not just this governor, but
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corbett, snyder and michigan, into a kind of la-la land, which is out of sync is what is many americans say they want, say they need. i think there's a pop you list moment in this country, and you're seeing it in the movements. it will be tough to dislodge the money. the money cannot be discounted that is being pumped in. the governor's association is fearful about the governors losing some control, so you're looking at a lot of money pushing through, coming through. >> ruth, how important is the issue of raising the minimum wage? if there's low voter turnout, my lord, what does it take to get people motivated? >> i think we have a real chance in wisconsin to see things change. i think the reason for that is largely the supreme court has said, you're not going to prevent people from voigting
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coincidentally people largely low-income folks, people of color, so i think there's a real chance -- elizabeth warren had to stand on a table, because she was in a room that was so packed she couldn't move. i think as katrina says, are in favor of increasing the minimum wage, having a living wage. i think there is, you know, real popular sentiment behind moving out this governor, who really represents corporate interests, and really specifically as mary burke pointed out, has rewarting the campaign donors with legislation that's harmful. so it really is going to come down to a get out the vote drive. >> and the poster child for the american legislative exchange council. it's corporate funded, it is working for lobbyists, working for the big megabucks donors,
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not for the citizens of wisconsin or other states. >> katrina and ruth, great to have both of you with us tonight. coming up, an ed show favorite reminds us of the real reason the united states is at war. senator bernie sanders is with me next. a cause to support the over 65 million people who may need the trusted protection of depend underwear. show them they're not alone. and show off a pair of depend. get a free sample at underwareness.com hey, i heard you guys can help me with frog protection? yeah, we help with fraud protection. we monitor every purchase every day and alert you if anything looks unusual. wow! you're really looking out for us. we are. and if there are unauthorized purchases on your discover card, you're never held responsible. just to be clear, you are saying "frog protection" right? yeah, fraud protection. frog protection. fraud protection. frog. fraud. fro-g. frau-d. i think we're on the same page. we're totally on the same page. at discover, we treat you like you'd treat you. fraud protection.
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they're winning and we're not. and the iraqis are not winning. the peshmerga, the kurds are not winning. and there's a lot of aspects of this, but there has to be a fundamental reevaluation of what we're doing. >> it's easy for republicans to criticize president obama's fight against isis from the pull pits, senator john mccain does it every week. maybe it's because they're trying to forget how we got here in the first place. this weekend, senator bernie sanders offered up a reminder. >> it's very easy to criticize the president. but this is an enormously complicated issue. we are here today because of the disastrous blunder of the bush-cheney era which got us into the war in iraq in the first place. it's a can of worms that we're trying to deal with right now.
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>> senator, good to have you with us. i know a lot of people appreciate you speaking up so we don't get amnesia when we think where this all came from. what do we do now? if mccain is correct and isis is winning, does there have to be a re-evaluation in your opinion? >> well, it depends on what you mean by re-evaluation. here's the issue to me. i believe from the bottom of my heart, that there is no way that the united states can or should lead this effort. you have countries like saudi arabia sitting right, sharing a border with iraq, which has the fourth largest defense budget in the world, more than the uk, more than france. they have 200,000 soldiers in their army. ed, where are these guys? they have a major air force. you have turkey sitting over there. if this becomes a war between the united states and isis, the
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west and the east, christianity and islam, it's a losing proposition. it is what isis wants. this is, as i understand it, a war for the soul of islam. if that is the case, the muslim countries in that area have got to stand up and they have got to fight. they have got to provide the ground troops. should the united states, the uk, france, be supportive, provide weapons? yes. but should we be putting ground troops in there, getting involved in what i see as a quagmire, perpetual warfare in the middle east, i think that would be a disaster. >> senator, clearly there's no short schedule here whatsoever. and there's no short menu of what exactly is going to be needed to remedy this whole situation. but have we gone as far as we can go, as you see it, as a country? as far as the air strikes, as far as the equipment, as far as the training on the ground? is this it? >> well, i think we should be prepared to provide the weapons
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and the training that those countries in the middle east need in order to fight isis, which is a horrible and dangerous organization. but i am adamantly opposed to us having combat troops in that area. the other point i would make, ed, which nobody is talking about, is, if we get involved, we're talking about tens and tens of billions of dollars. we spent over $3 trillion in iraq and afghanistan. where is that money going to come from? republicans are clear, they're not going to raise taxes on the wealthy. it will be custodies in social security, medicare, medicaid, education, and nutrition. that's how the war will be paid for. the bottom line for me, and this is a difficult situation and obama is trying, but the word has got to get out to those countries in the region, who, in fact are threatened daily by
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isis, turkey, saudi arabia, qatar, jordan, they have to get into the fight. we can provide support, but they're going to have to have the troops on the ground. >> we're about 60 days away from that discussion. where is this going to go before the new year? >> that's a good question. that's a very good question. and i think, as you know, that at a time when we have massive wealth and inequality in this country, where the wealthiest people are doing phenomenally well while the middle class disappears, the time is now to ask the wealthiest people and largest corporation to start paying their fair share of taxes, so we can rebuild our crumbling infrastructure and create the jobs that we need, and make sure the government services are not cut for those who need them. >> senator, good to have you with us. i appreciate it so much. tomorrow night on this broadcast, we'll have more from the midwest. the race in iowa, ernst and
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braley, is more than interesting. and we'll have a report on that, and some economic development news after may tag left. good evening, rev? >> good evening, ed, and thanks to you for tuning in. i'm live tonight from chicago. tonight's lead, will there be more cases of ebola? late today, president obama meeting with senior health and national security officials, reviewing the government's response to ebola so far. here's what we know. nbc news confirming the identity of the dallas nurse who got ebola while caring for the late thomas eric duncan. 26-year-old nina fong is isolated, in stable condition. now officials are investigating wh
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