separately. >> there has been intense modality with how the president speaks to world leaders, so i'm cognizant of those kind of details. >> reporter: i respect that. and i appreciate it. the president has said repeatedly now that he is not satisfied with the global response in terms of stemming ebola at the source. so my question for you regarding these various conversations, is whether he made any specific asks of these world leaders or whether he is satisfied that they've fully stepped up to their responsibilities? >> well, i'll say two things about that. the first is, more than a month ago -- i guess it was about a month ago, the president made an announcement at cdc headquarters in atlanta that he was going to make a significant commitment of department of defense resources in western africa to put in place logistical infrastructure that was needed to ramp up our response to the ebola outbreak in that region of the world. that continues to be a priority for his administration. the president is receiving regular updates from the department of defense about

their ongoing efforts to put in place that logistical capability. the department of defense has tremendous expert ceaise in tha area. the reaction to that commitment has been an increase in resources and personnel that are being supplied by nongovernmental organizations and from governments around the world. we've been heartened by that response. and that is an indication of just how important it is for the united states to show leadership in a crisis situation like this. now, that said, that all being said, the president does believe we need to see more from the international community. that we have not seen a sufficient commitment of resources and personnel from other countries to dealing with this urgent situation in west africa. the stakes are high. and the impact on local population there is tragic. and we need to see a more significant commitment of resources from countries around the world to dealing with this effort. >> at the risk of restating my

question, did he make any specific asks of the world leaders today, on is he satisfied that the countries involved have stepped -- have met that challenge? >> well, we'll have a more detailed read-out of the secure video teleconference that the president conducted today with those european leaders. but as a general matter, i can tell you that the president did urge those world leaders to commit -- to make a more significant commitment to dealing with the ebola outbreak in west africa. justin? >> reporter: i want to circle back on the question about why the president's staying here in town today. i'm wondering -- i know you said that it was necessary to respond to the outbreak. but i'm wondering why that is, essentialpy essentially since the airplane went down with everything from ferguson to egypt and the dpth hood shooting, we've seen the president maintain his political schedule or vacation schedule.

>> each situation we take on a case by case basis. in this situation the president felt it was important to convene a meeting of his senior members of administration who are responsible for responding to this particular incident. and so the president convened that meeting this afternoon. and because of -- because the meeting was this afternoon, the president had to postpone the political travel that he had already planned. we do anticipate that the president will be able to reschedule this trip in advance of election day. >> reporter: the reason i ask, presumably, air force one has a phone or video conference, he could do it while he was traveling as he did in these other instances. we're three weeks out from midterm elections and this is obviously a story that's come to dominate headlines. so i wondered if this was made out of any sort of political consideration? >> it was not. >> reporter: and then, generally, i guess, can you evaluate how you see this politically? i know you said repeatedly that politics don't come into your decision of how to respond to

the crisis, but obviously this is something that's dominated every question of this briefing and we're in a political time. and so i'm wondering how you guys see this playing into the midterm election. >> to be candid with you, justin, i try to consider my words carefully when i speak up here. the fact is i haven't given any thought to the political consequences. >> reporter: you haven't thought at all? >> i haven't. it's been a busy day here. focusing we're mobilizing an appropriate response to this urgent situation. i'm sure there are many people who have considered the political ramifications of this response and if today's decision to alter the schedule. but the fact is that, that hasn't crossed the minds of the president's senior advisers here at the white house. josh. >> reporter: dr. frieden said going forward the cdc would make sure people at risk of having been exposed would not be getting on commercial airliners. when he was pressed with the authority of that, he said the cdc would work with state and local officials. i'm curious, does the white house feel like that authority

is clear or do you need some extra powers? >> well, again, the -- in terms of the powers that are necessary, i'd refer you back to the cdc. they are the ones who are principally responsible for monitoring the health and, therefore, the movements of these individuals. so i would refer you to them for what they feel is necessary for them to do that successfully. >> reporter: sounds a little vague. i mean, it sounds like, well, we're going to trust that the folks in dallas are going to, or the folks in ohio are going to keep people off airplanes. >> well, again, scott, i'd refer to you the cdc. that's principally responsible for this. let me just take this opportunity to remind you and everybody who's watching that the risk that has been presented to those individuals who are on the airplane with the second health care worker earlier this week do not face a significant risk here. in fact, the risk is, according to our medical professionals, rather low. but what we will do, because of

our -- as is guided by the tenacious response that you've seen, is contact these individuals, encourage them to contact the cdc to make sure they are properly educated about the risk thes do face. in the unlikely event that any sort of health concerns should ari arise, that they have the available information about what they should do in response to that. mike? >> reporter: i want to follow up on major a little bit. there are crises that happen that are instantaneous that the response then sort of starts on that day or that moment that the crisis happens, an earthquake or a terrorist attack. this is not one of those, right? this is a -- the presence of ebola in the united states, starting with the first patient and now proceeding through the other two, was something that was -- that could have been anticipated easily in the weeks and months before as the -- as

the ebola situation in west africa was playing out. and so when you talk about the tenacious response, i guess i'm -- i'm wondering if the president is angry, if you guys are frustrated, if there is a level of upset at the fact that each time another kind of moment in this crisis has played out since the ebola arrived here in the united states, the cdc has responded to it, but hasn't anticipated it. so, you know, the issue of flights of medical personnel, shouldn't that have been talked about in meetings six weeks ago? and determined that, you know, that what the policy of the cdc is going to be that medical workers that might be infected by a patient are not going to be allowed to travel? shouldn't that have been decided long before it ever arrived here? shouldn't issues of transportation of materials or -- i mean, all the things we've gone through. there have been -- you've described being satisfied with the tenacious response after the

things happen. but is that good enough for the president, that these things weren't anticipated and figured out ahead of time? >> well -- >> reporter: is he frustrated that these scientists have repeatedly told him and you and the other people in this building, we got this, we got it you should contr under control, and then something happens. now we've got it under control. now we're going to do something to respond to the thing that we now see as the case. i mean, all this feels like they should have anticipated this before, doesn't it? >> let me say it -- there are a variety of ways in which i could answer your question. >> reporter: it was a long question. i apologize. >> but an understandable one. first, there are a number of things the president is concerned about. we're talking about a deadly disease. and we're talking about now two american health care workers who have contracted this disease in this country. now, they have done that when they were treating a patient

with ebola, that had originally contracted the disease in west africa. so, it's -- the circumstances are important, but yet the concern that the president has exists nonetheless. the president's also concerned about making sure that we're monitoring the health of the other health care workers who came into close contact with this individl patient, the index patient, as he's often described. what the cdc is also doing is -- and what the president's concerned about is making sure that we do all the necessary contact tracing. particularly as it relates to those individuals who were also passengers on that the plane from cleveland to dallas. that is, again, the risk to those passengers is low, but the president and everyone in the administration believes it's important for that contact tracing to take place. the other thing the president's concerned about and focused on is making sure that health care professionals across the country are getting clear guidance from the centers for disease control about what protocols they should put in place.

he wants to make sure those health care professionals are appropriately aware of the need to be cognizant of the fact that there could be other ebola patients that present themselves for treatment at health care facilities across the country. he wants to make sure the health care professionals are getting guidance about how to handle that individual when they present themselves, how to diagnose ebola, and then what protocols should be put in place from there. so, that clear communication is something the president is very focused on. i think it's appropriate for to you describe the president -- >> you have been watching the daily white house briefing there. a lot of breaking news this hour, too. president obama calling an emergency white house meeting on ebola. he canceled scheduled campaign events for the meeting with cabinet members involved in the nation's response to the ebola crisis. we're going to get back to washington in a moment. first, let's get on you the ground in dallas where our own craig melvin has justed arrived outside the hospital. craig, what can you tell us there? >> reporter: ari, good afternoon to you. i can tell you right now that

the second -- the second victim, 29-year-old amber vinson. we just got this photo in a short time ago. we know at this point that she traveled from here in dallas to the cleveland area, last friday we believe. she returned to the dallas area on monday. she was, of course, as we know at this point, by this point she was in that initial group. one of the nurses, one of the health care workers that was looking after thomas eric duncan. duncan died a week ago today. she was in this group. she was taking her own temperature, we're told. she registered a temperature of 99.5 degrees before she boarded the flight. earlier today at a news conference, the head of the cdc said, that was one of two reasons that, quote, she should not have been allowed to travel by virtue of the fact that she was in an exposed group. she's in this group. she had that elevated temperature. she got on the plane, nonetheless. so, she is right now -- she's here at the hospital at texas presbyterian. we're told that later told she

will be transported to emory university hospital. emory, of course, one of the four hospitals in this country that specializes in taking care of patients, who have ebola. that's supposed to happen some time later today. we can also tell you when she went to cleveland, she came into contact, according to cdc, according to officials in cleveland as well, she came in contact with at least three people who were being monitored right now. she went to visit her family. she went to visit her family. she also went to visit a fiancee as well. kent state university put out a release a short time ago saying that the parents -- or family members, we should note here, that family members affiliated with the university, there's no need to be concerned at the university because of 29-year-old amber vinson was never on campus. she never set foot on campus. nonetheless, they've asked these family members to stay away. to not show up. they're asking these family members to voluntarily quarantine themselves for 21 days. that's where we are right now. of course, you also know by this

point that that frontier airlines flight, the flight that she was on, the flight that she was on from cleveland back to dallas, the cdc now saying that they want to talk to those passengers. there's an extremely low risk that anyone on that flight is infected, but they would still like to talk to those passengers, nonetheless. as i speak to you, about three miles away from here here in north east dallas, for the second time today, officials are decontaminating amber vinson's apartment. fire and police went to that apartment this morning. they did sort of an initial cleaning of the apartment, of the car. the second cleaning, we're told, the second clean-up, is a more specialized clean-up. the folks are wearing the hazmat suits. also this morning they made reverse 911 calls as well to people who live in that apartment complex. so, as you might imagine, people who live in the dallas/ft. worth area are very much on edge. this, of course, being the

second case. we heard from the cdc head a short time ago that they would not be surprised if there are more cases of ebola here in the dallas/ft. worth area. >> craig, some sombering news there. thank you for that report. nbc's kelly o'donnell is at the white house. we just watched some of that briefing, some strong questions there for the white house and their response. including whether these protocols are being set in place proactively or whether the white house and the cdc are overly reacti reactive. what can you tell us from your sources about that and the rest of the meetings going on at the white house. >> reporter: we'll hear from the president according to press secretary josh earnest, as he has his meeting with key cabinet officials. that's coming up within the hour, we expect. a lot of the discussion during the course of the briefing is in part a way to frame the situation. it's an emergency situation in which the president has canceled some political travel. there were questions related to other instances of emergency or national events. things related to isis or the downed ukrainian aircraft, that

were also put in the context of, well, why did the president not do this or that then? some of that, those questions are a way to try to measure, where is the administration right now in terms of its sense of management of this situation, the confidence the president has in the leadership at the cdc, josh earnest says the president remains confident, that the leadership of the cdc is on top of this, and that there isn't a need to bring in some sort of outside expert yet without closing the door on the possibility that if additional staffing would be needed, that might be part of what the administration would consider. so, the course of sort of the volley of questions we heard is in some ways trying to narrow what has changed. what did the administration know? how are these protocols in place? some of the fears that are being dealt with, with new communities that are involved now, with northeast ohio being involved, given the most recent patient's travel there. there is part, how do you manage it, part how do you manage the fear, and to some degree, a bit

of the politics at the moment where josh earnest saying, the president is not considering politics in dealing with this. so, part of it is the management, the politics and the science. what do we know? are there enough protocols in place? part of what the president will be looking for from his key advisers, a sense of, okay, what steps need to happen? we're seeing the second patient is being moved to emory, a university hospital setting with more experience than the dallas hospital had. is that part of what they would look for going forward? this affects our commercial airlines and what's happening there. there are so many departments involved and so many more questions than answers. the administration still trying to keep people's fears in check talking about the low likelihood of this spreading further. >> joining us now, dr. michael edmund running epidemiology at

university of iowa hospitals. i want to introduce as well here on the set, anthony ronnen, an expert on medical malpractice, and infection management protocols. thanks to a knowledgeable panel here. i want to start with you, doctor. when we talk about someone being on this plane, having that escalated temperature n your view, just based on the public information, were other passengers on the plane at risk? >> i think they're probably at very low risk because i think one of the things we're learning about ebola disease is that early on in the course of the infection, the patients are very minimally infectious. i think the dallas case has demonstrated that. >> a lot of questions about this second ebola patient, amber vinson. what this comes down to, though, is that they she just should not have gotten on that plane. there were certain guidelines in place, if you're in contact with someone with ebola you shouldn't

have gotten on the plane. she had a slight fever, 99.5. regardless, she shouldn't have got not on plane. how do you force people to follow these guidelines? do we have to have a no-fly list at some point? >> these health care workers are subject to the same human factor decisions that other human beings are in critical job functions. that would include denial. i'm a health care professional. i can make the decision for myself. i don't believe i'm contaminated so, therefore, i'm going to travel. i don't believe health care workers should be making those decisions as a result of the human factor studies we know about. perhaps, the cds should reconsider that and there should be very specific guidelines concerning the quarantining of health care workers who are in direct contact with the patients for a suitable period of time and then rotating in a new team and releasing that team so they could go about their lives. >> indeed.

>> doctor, a labor group that represents california nurses, they held a conference call last night. they had texas presbyterian hospital nurses, who remained anonymous. here's what they said. >> mr. duncan was left for several hours. not in isolation. in an area where other patients were present. initial nurses who interacted with mr. duncan wore generic gowns. they also left exposed majority of their heads and their scrubs from the knees down. after they recommended that the nurses wear isolation suits, the nurses raised questions and concerns about the fact that the skin on their neck was exposed. they were told to use medical tape. some hospital personnel were coming in and out of the isolation areas in the emergency department without having worn

the proper protective equipment. >> doctor, these are pretty bombshell revelations, again, from anonymous nurses at texas health presbyterian. do you find it plausible that they would have been so lax in their precautions there? >> i'm really not able to comment on what happened at that hospital. i think we would hope when patients come into the hospital for a variety of infections that appropriate isolation procedures are followed. i think it's really important to point out, though, that the patients -- the health care workers that were exposed in the emergency department are not the health care workers who became sick. these were the health care workers, in some cases, had no protective isolation equipment, yet the ones in the icu that had full ppe, personal protective equipment on, did become sick. i think that demonstrates how the infectivity goes over time. as they become more sick, they become more infectious. >> you have 25 years of in-depth

medical treatment, investigation, experience. so, to that end, amber vinson is being moved to emory, one of four hospitals specially equipped to deal with ebola. shouldn't the automatic protocol in this situation to move folks to one of the four places that are especially equipped to deal with this rather than leaving them in places that are not especially ready for that? >> i think we're learning more and more about the management process, in hospitals, that by all accreditation, by all standards, should be perfectly capable of managing this type of infectious disease process. texas presbyterian is a level 3 trauma center, has a robust infectious disease department, has a magnet award for superior nursing, which means they undergo better training and perform to a higher standard. so, what happened here? what we've seen in medical investigation in which proper protocols are in place, superior medical personnel are present,

all of the accreditations are in place, becomes a question of management enforcement of the protocols. so, whether or not we decide to move a patient from one facility to another, really we have inherent risks that go along with that. so, that decision needs to be made by medical professionals given what's occurring at the moment. but there should be no reason that texas presbyterian cannot manage this type of case. >> and they're facing a lot of questions on how they're managing it. anthony roman and dr. michael edmund, thank you both. up next, the global aspect of this crisis. the airline developments proving today that what happens elsewhere around the world can definitely impact us here. also, the flight to raise awareness is getting hollywood's help. ♪

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diastpora has a link back home. we have brothers, sisters, mothers back home. with the spread of the virus, it's infecttivity, it's linked to what occurs here, because when one dies, it has an emotional and traumatizing affect on the community. >> that was msnbc.com's original reporting on the ebola crisis. members of new york's so-called little liberia, stressing to us that what happens in west africa affects many people right here in the states. efforts to squash the virus have reached a critical juncture. now those efforts are getting some star power behind them. ♪ >> the world is facing the largest ebola outbreak in history. >> despite the seriousness of the outbreak -- >> there's good news and reason to be hopeful. >> we'll treat it early. many infected with ebola will

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>> that video was produced by the ebola survival fund. that's a nonprofit organization arguing for more money and a community-based approach to fighting the ebola outbreak. their argument, this is not just a health crisis. it is also an economic one. you may know actor jeffrey wright from "boardwalk empire" and "the hunger games" while his latest starring role is as leader of ebola awareness effort. welcome. >> thank you. probably the last person you want to hear from right now is an actor about this, but nonetheless, i'm here. >> well, and tell us a little bit, because you've been working in the region. it's not like you just showed up there yesterday. you've been working in sloane slo sierra leone for a while and you were trying to raise awareness about ebola. tell us your background. >> i've been traveling to sierra leone for about 13 years now. actually focused in the eastern part of the country in the first

district to be hit by this outbreak. in may of this year we got word that a doctor had succombed to the group. we talked to community leaders and world health organization to assess the need, how we could best support the intervention. we immediately pushed over in june, early june, about 120 lit liters of chlorine, boxed gloves, just basic tools to protect themselves against transmission. subsequent to that we set up 100 public wash stations in our community. a community of about 100,000 people out in the east again about 40 miles from the epicenter in guinea of the outbreak. the good news out of that is that they haven't lost anyone since. cost us about $5,000. we acted early. we acted in coordination with local communities. and we seem to have been reasonably effective.

>> it's remarkable. >> you say the african outbreak situation is as much about economics as it is about medicine. how are economics shaping the situation there? >> yeah, sure. i think -- you know, one of the reasons i wanted to put this psa together and put the group together, led by paul farmer of partners in health, we're trying to coalesce around his skill sets and support him in his intervention, not only in the immediate term but also in the long term so we don't have to recircle back to this region five years from now, ten years from now, for the next crisis. what people need to understand is that i've traveled to this area, as i've said for the last 13 years or so, 20, 25 times. so, no, i'm not a medical expert. if i begin to sound like one, smack me. i'll be okay. i have health care insurance. if i can tell you what i've seen on the ground, i've seen that probably the poorest hospital in the poorest community in america is better equipped than all of the hospitals combined in sierra leone to deal with something

like this. i'll give you an example. in 2012, dated november 8, 2012 we worked with a group called international surgical health initiative. new york-based group of surgicals and health professionals who had come to sierra leone to provide services there. we asked them if they could provide supplies to the hospital. i want to read this to you so you understand the context of what people are dealing with there relative to what we have here. in the united states, there are 240 doctors for every 200,000 people. sierra leone and liberia, there's one. 100 doctors -- this is prior to the outbreak. in sierra leone and liberia combined. and yet in new york state we have 50,000 register the physicians alone. when we call ourselves the greatest country in the world, it means we have systems, staff, supplies to deal with the situation like this. we will. but if i could, so 100-bed

facility. services 50,000 people. has a single ambulance. one ambulance that is solely for the transport of pregnant mothers. most folks arrive by foot or motorbike. so, 100-bed facility. short of basic splice. gauze, tape for wounds, no iv therapy available, sutures. they have seven cloth gowns that are sterilized and reused for all aseptic purposes. this is servinging 50,000 people. got no x-rays, no ultrasound. shortage of teaching supplies. ten people dying every month from malaria. we didn't care about that because it's not infectious. >> you say we didn't care about some of this and you've been going to the region. about 4,500 deaths. your video points out it's not a death sentence. three cases out of all those are

in the united states. we know it's fine to care about our men and women in this country, but ideal we care about all human beings. we've been late to caring about this crisis until it hit home. >> exactly right. and i think as was said in the white house press conference by josh earnest is that if we care about ourselves, if we want to protect ourselves from further infection/transmission, we need to attack it at the source. we need to crush ebola now in guinea, in sierra leone n liberia. if we stop it there, not only now but stop it in the long term, providing support to build up health care delivery systems, health care infrastructure. it's not just a function of charity or even the u.s. government. it's businesses that are active in this area. it's going to take a coalition, local governments, of course, to really get this done. again, so we don't have to come back ten years from now saying we have to do it again. let me just add one last point that i think will -- this -- you

know, this was the highest infant mortality rate in sierra leone for some time. you have women there who are -- have complicated pregnancies, who are delivering their children at night by candlelight. this is -- >> wow. >> this is what these folks are faci facing. this report says operating lights are present at this hospital, but at the time of our visit were powered by a car battery. >> unbelievable. >> so, we have to understand our position of privilege. >> we know if everybody invests a little on the front end, we save a lot of money and tragedy on the back end. thank you so much. thank you for your work. >> thank you very much. thank you for having me. as president obama huddles with top advisers on isis, we will talk to the man who was there for nbc news when the war on terror began. has anything really changed? [ hoof beats ]

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gonzalo to the north of puerto rico, heading in the general direction of bermuda. moving now to the northwest and will eventually turn to the north and then the northeast, affecti affecting bermuda as early as friday. we could be looking at very strong winds with this hurricane. we're talking winds 120 miles per hour. since 2003 when we had hurricane fabian. for now under a hurricane watch in bermuda. that will likely get upgraded to hurricane warnings later today. we're watching a system threatening hawaii this weekend. winds with tropical storm ana, expected to strengthen as we head toward the weekend, making landfall along it is big island. as you can see with winds around 85 miles per hour. and so we'll be watching ana for sure. right now, the weather is pretty much horrible along the east coast. and only getting worse for places like new york city, right on down towards philadelphia.

we have showers and thunderstorms moving on in. and at times, we could see severe weather with this as well. as you can see, the wet weather is affecting much of the pennsylvania turnpike up towards new york state thruway as well. watch for possible delays at the airports. >> we've got some news here in the ongoing war on isis. the pentagon today gave an official title to the military operation. it is "inherent resolve." also today coalition strikes hitting targets in kobani. isis forces are making further gains inside of iraq. president obama speaking by phone with key allies, including britain, about its strategy to contain isis when so few other nations want to engage in a ground war here. kevin sites has reported from the front lines since the days of 9/11. his new book is "swimming with

warlords warlords." thanks for being here. big news that caught my eye and front page of the "new york times" is this cia report. this is the cia asking president obama to look at whether it works to arm rebels. what they found is, this is the cia's own report, as you know, it rarely works. it's even less effective without ground support. and they did find an exception. they said it worked a little bit to help arm the mujahideen in afghanistan but here is their but, led to fueling the taliban and al qaeda. seems like a big but to me. >> there was a lot of blowback from that. especially an area like syria, where you rael really can't distinguish between the free syrian army, nusra front, all these groups. we don't have a clear indication of who they are. the best bet for us has always been the iraqi kurds. they've been our ally, you know, for many years. even though we've betrayed them

several times, forcing them into a shotgun marriage with the rest of iraq, in some ways. i was there just this summer. they're fighting. they're outgunned, outmanned. they seem to be the last best hope for saving iraq, even though we have no forces on the ground there. just supporting them with our air strikes right now. >> a lot of folks are saying, we don't want to see american ground troops there in iraq and in syria definitely. is the answer possibly using more military contractors? obviously, we've had a lot of professional soldiers fighting this war for us for years over there. will we and should we see more of that option? >> i think that's another indication for more blowback. when you look at arming security contractors, this is a mercenary army. right now we do have allies in the region. we have the kurds that have been fighting there. but it's a difficult situation for us. you know, are we going to commit to this fight in a way that is actually going to be effective

or monitoring this from the air? i don't think security contractors are the way to go right now. >> toure mentioned a majority of people don't want boots on the ground there. we've been so war-weary for years now, but we're beginning to see that shift a little bit. we have an nbc news poll that just came out. and this poll surprises me. if-t shows 41% support air strike as long with ground troops. it's surprising because it's up seven points from just a month ago. i mean, what does that tell you about the mood shift just in the past four weeks, that people are now -- more people are okay with this reality sdm. >> i think people are scared. when you look at what's happening there. this has been a very visceral war so far. the beheading of james foley, other journalists in the region. it's got everybody scared. and it should. but we have to begin to understand the historical context of this conflict as well. this is an ethnic feud in some ways. sunni and shia have been battling for hundreds of years. we have to look at and try to

understand that context as well for this. but i think americans are definitely scared and we should be. this is a difficult situation right now. >> and, kevin, one of the things you hear a lot is we have to tackle the ideology, right, that's how we're really going to destroy isis and other extremist groups is by tackling the ideology. you're a guy who's been on the ground. you've interviewed warlords, interviewed former taliban fighters. what does that actually mean in practical terms to combat the ideology? how do we do that? >> i think you have to begin to understand it first. what isis is rooted in is the tradition that basically says -- it was a purifying effect for isl islam. the idea was anyone that's a nonbeliever could be killed. isis has certainly taken that to heart. they've done that not only with christians and yazidis, but also with other muslims. with shias and even muslim militants they feel are not fundamental enough, orthodox enough. that's the first step.

we also have to look at the realities on the ground as well. at this point, isis controls most of western iraq. almost all of the al anbar territories. and it's going to take more than air strikes to stop them. it's going to take the iraqi army to stand up to this as well. they just haven't at this point. >> and that's such an important point about the purification because it comes to them being genocidal. there's been this debate, toure and i were talking about whether islam is inherently violent. well, it's news to a lot of muslims being killed by isis that it's their fault. obviously, it's very complex as you've been recounting. thanks for being here today. up next, the results of a six-month long investigation by "sports illustrated." i don't think we're doing that segment. i think we have norman lehr next. control room tells me we are doing the "sports illustrated" investigation, epidemic plaguing some of the country's most promising young athletes. >> i can't remember the last time i stepped on a mattress.

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vinson in stable condition at the dallas hospital behind me. the associated press reporting the 29-year-old nurse inserted catheters, drew blood and also dealt with thomas duncan's body fluids as well. earlier in that news conference with the cdc, we heard that that likely happened early on the 28th or 29th or the 30th. we can also tell you there are-h been -- there have been a lot of questions about precisely how we were going to keep -- the government was going to keep these folks from traveling, the 75 people being monitored by the cdc. my colleague kate snow conducted an interview a short sometime ago with a texas judge who says he plans to issue an order -- plans to order these 75 people not to travel. commercially. so, that's the very latest from here in dallas. >> thank you so much for that update. turning now to a special report from our friends at "sports illustrated" revealing a silent epidemic in this country. young, gifted and homeless

athletes. last month nba superstar kevin durant shocked the country when he revealed that before he was making millions, he was homeless. butyouth public schools and cole teams right now have no stable place to live. they often go hungry, drop out and are more likely to suffer physical and sexual abuse. executive editor with sports illustrated and isaiah i want to start with you. people see you as an incredible athlete. watch you on the court playing basketball but they don't know your story off the court. tell us that story. >> i've been homeless many ayears. slept out of our car, me, my father and mother. and after game or school i would

go to a parking lot and just sleep there for the night. >> and you're in a home now. >> yes, i have an apartment now. >> john, thank you so much for bringing isaiah's story and the other 100,000 young homeless athletes, bringing their story to light. you started on this journey when you saw kevin durant's mvp speech. >> everyone told us we weren't supposed to be here. we moved from apartment to apartment by ourselves. one of the best memories i had is when we moved in our first apartment, no bed, no furniture and we just all sat in the living room and just hugged each other. because that's what -- we thought we made it. sq >> john athletes tend to want a consistency in their lives, when they will sleep and what they

will eat to help maximize performance. how do young people dealing with the chaos of homelessness come together to play basketball or baseball or whatever at a high level. >> that's one of the themes we looked into in the story. you think of all the social pressures and have that disrupted by not knowing where you will sleep that night, being hungry. real factor that's could under mine even the most successful sports career. >> did you watch that speech? >> yes, i did. >> did his words resonate with you? >> i can definitely relate to that when he said moving frplac to place. we zrdidn't have a place to sta. i can feel that. >> you are in a home now. and you're counselling other young people who are dealing with the situation you were

dealing with. what advice do you give them to try to get through? >> i just tell them, i let them know that nothing lasts forever. you know, so it will be over, just strive to keep your head up and keep pushing. >> you find folks who, some of them have a little extra motivation to use sports to help get them and their families out of their situations. >> >> absolutely sports is in some cases stability, or some cases the coach may provide the best meal they will get that day. taubing to athletes -- talking to athletes all over the country there is the one theme, i want to make my life better. maybe it means getting into college, or just getting into high school, sports help me. >> some remain homeless in college. it makes me think why we should be paying these kids.

>> another great argument why we should be paying kids. absolutely. the goal of college came up a lot when we talked to high school kids. college, you're in a dorm, great, that doesn't change what happens over the summer and on holidays and there are college athletes right now, division one scholarships that are still homeless. >> and isaiah what has basketball been to you. >> basketball is just something i can go to and i got a lot on my mind. if i can't talk to anybody i will just play basketball and just not think about what is going on at home or what my parents are going through. >> it sounds like it's giving you a future what's next. >> try to commit somewhere and play basketball. >> one fact you show is homelessness among athletes on the rise, is is that trend continui continuing. >> we're seeing an acceleration.

some of it is about accounting. homelessness is up more than 55% since the recession and all-time high numbers just came out a few weeks ago. >> isaiah do you think you are a better basketball player since you've gotten a consistent home and got rid of some that chaos. >> for sure there were games i couldn't play as well because i had my parents on my mind or what will happen afterwards but now there's no worries, just play basketball, there's nothing else to think about, just the game. >> if you could say one thing to other athletes out there in similar situations, what would you say to them? >> just, nothing lasts forever, you know, it's gonna end. you're not going to struggle all your life. something's going to come along to make things better. and you're going to get through it. >> short of ending homelessness,

what can we do to make the path easier for other isaiah's. >> funding is a big part of it and also identifying these kids. we saw it even in reporting this story, administrators lose track of kids, so better record keeping goes a long time. >> thank you for being here and doing this report and being with us in person to tell us your story. we appreciate it. good luck to you in your future. we will route from you from afar. that does it for the cycle. "now" right after this break.

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