i'll see you tomorrow "the ed show" is coming up next. good evening, americans, welcome to "the ed show" live from new york. let's get to work! ♪ ♪ >> we know how to control ebola even in this period. >> as soon as somebody is diagnosed with ebola. >> it was just a little chaotic scene. >> we want a rapid response team, a s.w.a.t. team essentially from the cdc to be on the ground as quickly as possible. hopefully, within 24 hours. >> we took probably around three hours to make our first contact with the cdc. >> there are no short cuts in the control of ebola. >> no special gear. we -- we were unprepared. >> cdc works 24/7 to protect americans. >> it's a global disease. >> we do not lose sight of the importance of the international

response. >> stop the epidemic at the source. >> i cannot imagine there is a partisan issue related to ebola. >> the president has been two steps behind and asleep at the wheel. >> it shows us how incompetent the man really is. it's not a democrat response or a republican response. >> i shook hands with, hugged and kissed, not the doctors, but a couple of the nurses. >> this is a human response. ♪ ♪ >> good to have you with us tonight, pokes. thanks for watching. we start with breaking news. president obama has just signed an executive order on ebola. the order authorizes national guard troops to travel to liberia to set up 17 treatment centers. 565 troops are already in that country. a total of 4,000 troops are expected to travel to africa to fight ebola. just a few moments ago, in a few moments coming up, the president will meet with congressional leaders at the white house and they're expected to discuss how

quickly new ebola s.w.a.t. teams can be dispatched to deal with the cases. the executive order comes as nurses here at home are calling for president obama to take action. today national nurses united called on president obama to issue an executive order. they want the president to order all u.s. helps to meet the highest uniform national standards and protocols in order to safely protect patients, health care workers and the public. their request comes as american nurses truly are at risk. since the first ebola patient was diagnosed in africa, the ed show has voiced concerns of nurses around the country and nurses say they don't have adequate training, protective gear and procedures put in place. their fears have been confirmed as two nurses at dallas presbyterian have been diagnosed with ebola. both nurses treated the first ebola patient thomas eric duncan. earlier today a nurse from

dallas presbyterian broke her silence. her statements are shocking to say the least. nurse brianaa combiry said dallas presbyterian never discussed ebola before duncan was admitted. the hospital's initial handling of duncan was deeply flawed. >> all i know for sure without any speculation, without any, without being slighted here at all is he was put into an area where there are up to seven other patients. we took probably around three hours to make our first contact with the cdc to even let them know that what we had as our suspicion. you know, was there no special precautions other than what we know in the medical industry to be basic contact precautions and no special gear. we -- we were unprepared in the sense that we did not know what to do with his lab specimens.

they were mishandled and that's what the lab technician told me, and there was just -- it was just a little chaotic scene and our infectious disease department was contacted to ask what is the protocol, and their answer was we don't know. we're going have to call you back. >> so who's on first and who's on third? clearly, there is a disconnect between cdc and the people providing care. after nurse nina pham was diagnosed with ebola, aguirre was paurt part of her treatment team. aguirre said she was not given the proper protective gear. >> i threw a fit. i just couldn't believe it, you know? and the second week with the ebola crisis at my hospital the only gear they're offering us at that time and up until that sometime gear that is allowing our necks to be uncovered and i just flat-out asked several infectious disease nurses, i asked the cdc why?

why would i be wearing two pairs of gloves, three pairs of booties, a plastic suit covering my entire body and then leaves my neck hanging out this much so that it can -- something can potentially go close to my mouth or nose? >> folks, let's not be afraid to call this what it is. this is the business of health care in america. we are expecting for-profit hospitals to provide the proper protective gear and the proper training. think about that. is that -- is that really call for an executive order to force these hospitals to do it? i think so. looks to me like these hospit hospitalses ahospitals are all for profit and a girly is doing the right thing on blowing the whistle on the dallas presbyterian hospital. by all account, this hospital knowingly put employees at risk. aguirre said she is worried about retaliation from her employer. >> i just want to say that i'm

sorry. my co-workers i know a lot of you will be proud of me right now and i'm sorry for those of you that are not, but what i'm doing here is not wrong and i don't believe can argue that. and i'm just -- i'm very concerned about losing my job. it's -- it is -- it's the best job i ever had. um, i travel a great distance to work there r. i don't live close to that hospital. i'm the breadwinner of my family and i'm terrified. i'm just like any other, the majority of middle-class working class people and i'm just a couple of paychecks away from not being able to pay my mortgage and i'm terrified about that and i don't know about my future there at that hospital or at any hospital. >> so this is a workplace issue. this is about competence and accountability, but let's not forget profit. we can't let that get in the way if we really want to make sure

that we want to knock down ebola in this country. earlier today, the vice president of dallas presbyterian hospital testified in front of congress. dr. daniel varga claimed all cdc guidelines were followed and protective gear was given to the staff. >> the hospital followed all cdc and texas department of state services recommendations in an effort to ensure the safety of patient, hospital staff, volunteers, nurses, physicians and visitors. protective equipment included water, impermeable gowns, surgical masks and eye protection and gloves. since the patient had diarrhea, shoe covers were added. we notified the cals infectious disease specialists a riefred on the site shortly thereafter. his testimony contradicts what the nurses have been saying all along. later in the hearing varga did a 180. he admitted his hospital did not

provide proper training for staff. >> your hospital received the first cdc health advisory about ebola on july 28th and this advisory was given to the directors of your emergency departments and signage was posted in your emergency room, is that right? >> yes, ma'am. >> was this information given to your emergency room punishel and was there any dull person to person training at texas presbyterian for the staff at that time? yes or no some. >> it was given to the emergency department. >> was there actual training? >> no. >> there was not actual training. his testimony now supports what the nurses have been saying all along around this country. 85% of nurses say their hospital has not provided education on ebola with the ability to ask questions. 37% say their hospital has insufficient protective gear. you see, that costs money. today's hearing also highlighted some missteps in the cdc. dr. tom frieden admitted nurse amber vinson called the cdc

before she flew on monday. >> dr. frieden, a second nurse affected with ebola took a flight to cleveland after she registered a fever. we have reports she contacted the cdc and was told she could fly. did she call the cdc and asked to board a flight. >> my understanding is she did contact cdc and we discuss read her her reported symptoms. >> were you paurt of that conversation some. >> no, i was not. >> so the cdc just did not err on the side of safety. no symptoms, but multiple reports report vinson was given clearance be to fly with a low-grade fever. does that sound safe to you? it was announced nurse nina pham would be moved to the institutes of health in maryland and one of four specialized containment facilities in this country built to handle ebola. once pham moved to dallas, dallas pretsbyterian will have

no, bowla patients. no surprise considering how they've hand it will so far. the issue of west africa. there are no revisions and some members of congress are calling for a raffle ban from ebola-stricken congress. today the faa says it's considering a raffle ban on a day-to-day basis. president obama canceleda i trip to deal with the ebola crisis at home. if there is any news from the white house we will report it it to you live. the president will will be meeting with congressional leaders in just a moment at the white house, but wrap yourself around this for just a moment. we have a for had-profit health care system in this country. i like profit, but i also like safety and i also like guarantees. we do not have a guarantee right now as a public that this country has got everything in line it take care of ebola. there are too many loose ends. there's not enough restriction. there is not enough protocol

being followed. what happens here is that oh, by the way, you're the ceo of a hospital. you're in the fourth quarter of the year. it's been a good year and we're getting toward bonus territory and the president and the cdc is saying that we have to have all of this protective gear. how much does that cost, boss? i think it will be $2, $3, $4 million if we'll do it right with the training. how many ebola patients do we have coming through the door? we don't have any. guess what? we're not going buy it until we are told to. you have to sign an executive order, forcing, that's the word, forcing every single medical in the country, what the nurses united has been saying for over wo weeks is a wake-up call. get your cell phones out. i want to know what you think. hot topic of discussion in washington, a travel ban? okay. should there be a travel ban from african countries with ebola outbreak? text a for yes, tb for no to

67622. you can always go to a blog at ed.msnbc.com. if you're thinking about profit it would probably be a heck of a lot easier to put a travel ban in place than it would be to tell those hospitals across the country. well, just get protective gear if you get an ebola patient. i don't like those odds either. for more let me bring in jean ross for national nurses united. . hanks for your time tonight. >> glad to be here. >> dr. varga gave testimony with an admission of guilt when it comes to training. what's your reaction to that? >> it's always mice to hear an a apolo apology. i'm afraid it's a little late and it's very hard for us who have been sounding the warning signal for so long. i guess my feeling is thank god someone's listening now, but if this is what it it takes to get anyone to listen to us, we're up

a creek here so to speak. i would say that his acknowledgement thattive in was done or what should have been done wasn't done is something, but how do you look at those two nurses in other hospitals now fighting for their lives somehow do you talk to your crew, your staff at your hospital now and expect them to trust you? >> your reaction to today's interview with briana aguirre. >> i have to tell you that i almost broke down and cried, and i could see she was on the verge of tears and it's so, so utterly familiar to us. it's ebola now, but it's been other things in the past. when we warn, it's as you said, it is the profit motive. that bottom line has to come first. we even heard a quote from some ceo, and i cannot tell you which facility that said is this

really what you're expecting us to do? my gosh, that would bankrupt us. well, that's not the perspective of theure ins of this country. the nurses of the country -- >> go ahead. >> the nurses of this country have your backs so to speak. this is our job to care for the public and for him to come right out and say that, sadly, he is not alone. >> i was stunned today that at this congressional hearing no one asked the question how much would it cost to prepare a hospital? you're in minneapolis, pick a hospital in minneapolis. how much would it cost to prepare a hospital to get ready for ebola when we're talking about protective gear and training? can you answer that? >> you know what? no, i cannot. i do not know the figures, but i know one thing, there is billions and billions of dollars in our health care system and if we had the money to send troops which i'm glad the president is doing, if if we have money for

other things that we consider priorities, that money needs to come. >> jean ross, i appreciate your time. thank you very much for being on "the ed show." keep up the fight. for more let me bring in chris van holland from washington. good to have you on. >> good to be here. >> your thoughts, what's your conclusion at this point? >> clearly there was a breakdown in the hospital readiness system. the dallas hospital was clearly not prepared to respond. you had the testimony from the nurses and we had the infection from two nurses. so first of all, it's absolutely essential that we have a uniform, national standard for hospitals whether it's through an executive order or some other directive, people need to be prepared, number one. number two, i was pleased to hear that the cdc is going to now be sending s.w.a.t. teams whenever there is an indication of symptoms of ebola and if a hospital is not yet prepared to deal with it, those patients

should be taken to the hospitals where it is. so i represent the district that's home to the national institutes of health. i got a call this morning from dr. collins, the director of nih informing me that they would be transferring the first nurse who got sick in dallas to nih today, and assured me that nih was a facility that had the capacity to deal with this ebola virus. to the extent that hospitals are not yet prepared, we need to make sure those patients are going to places that are so that we don't put other people at risk. >> congressman, from what you assess, do you think this country can be successful in fighting ebola and containing this without all hospitals or major facilities having protective gear and procedures put in place some. >> no, ed. i do think all those hospitals have to be putting the protective gear in place. people should be getting the training now. it's a separate question as to whether or not if a had hospital

is still not equipped to handle ebola, whether they should then be transferred under care to one of these centers like nih or emory university that's more equipped. but everybody needs to be on higher alert. there need to be national and uniform standards for dealing with this because clearly, at least in the first instance, the system did not work. so i'm -- >> it can be done. the national nurses united they want an executive order. would you support that? would you advise the president to do that some. >> i would support an executive order or what other form that directive should take. i've just written today to the maryland hospital association with the series of questions asking them to make sure that maryland hospitals are prepared and asking them to go off a checklist that was actually provided by nurses united as to whether those standards of care were in place in maryland. so we should be having that take place throughout the country.

>> every single concern over the last several weeks that the nurses have brought up has turned out to be a problem. i don't know if anyone is paying attention, but i'm listening to the workers are saying in these facilities and everything they've brought up has been an issue of concern down the road and they're asking for an executive order, and i think it's time for that. >> what do you want congressman to do -- congressman, what do you want congress to do? >> two things. first, i think we should be calling upon the executive branch, calling the president to make sure that there is this uniform stand art in place. whether it's an executive order or some other measure. it it it doesn't matter what form it takes as long as it gets the job done. member two, going forward i hope we will learn the lessons about how it's important to fund places like the nih and the cdc. dr. collins, head of the nih has

pointed out that because of the budget cuts over the last couple of years, the nih was not as prepared as capable as they might be to develop a vaccine or therapeutics. that is short sighted and simply dumb. >> good to have you with us tonight. >> coming up, the first -- or should i say the fight against isis continues. american, the poll says america wants boots on the ground? but first, rick scott shows up late to his own debate. more on the governor losing his cool next. say with us. before earning enough cash back from bank of america to help entertain some friends at the beach. before earning 1% cash back everywhere, every time. and 2% back at the grocery store. even before he got 3% back on gas. all with no hoops to jump through. rafael was inspired to use his bankamericard cash rewards credit card to spend a night watching the stars, under the stars. that's the beauty of rewarding connections.

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>> i waited to see if he would show up. >> you can clearly hear it in the microphone. >> are we really going to debate about a fan or are we going to talk about the education and the environment and the future of our state? >> well, you know the old saying, folks, don't ever let them see you sweat. joining us tonight is mitt caesar of the broward county, democratic party. you've been around this racket for 40-some odd years. that's one for the archives, isn't it? what happened some i've been to presidential debates and u.s. senate debates and it was like an out of body political experience for me. everybody in the audience at first thought it was a joke because neither one had come out and thought perhaps they were running late. charlie crist came out pretty quickly and soed at the podium and stood at the podium until the moderator made that announcement and chris' comment was probably the most appropriate and looked at the

audience and said really? it was bizarre and i've never experienced anything like it and governor scott came off looking like a petulant child. >> is that giving insight to his personality and his stability? what do you think? >> i think it does. his negative rating on people like him personally, if you didn't like him before the debate you sure would not want to have a beer with him since the debate ever. i think what he did was, i think it will prove to be, i think, maybe the critical difference. you know, they're dead tie in the polls or up by one and less than three weeks left. had this happened a couple of months ago, i think it would have drifted away. i think this moment will remain in the psyche of the electoral because you have 7% undeciders and if you count leaners you count 15%. if anyone watched today which may be more people would say, hey, if i'm a democrat and i was sitting home, i think i'll vote

for charlie crist. he it actually spoke to the issues and had answers and caught rick scott in a couple of lice, at least, while republicans say it's scary and it's not even halloween yet. maybe i shouldn't vote. >> we should point that out that when i was down in florida this spring i did a sitdown interview with charlie crist, and he wanted a fan so he got a fan. everybody knows if you interview charlie there will abe fan there. he doesn't like to sweat during an interview, and i'm surprised that scott wasn't smart enough to come out and you know, do what you're supposed to do and call charlie crist, what do you have that fan over there for? he could have disarmed charlie crist or had the upper hand on it and say that's not supposed to be here. is that how you're going to be if you're governor, breaking the rules? he didn't have the instinct to make the play which i think is a real insight of what kind of decisions he'd make as a

governor. think about this. the guy has spent $51 million. he's an incoming governor and he's concerned about a fan on the -- on the stage of a debate? that's not having control of the issues, as i see it. that's a guy who is intimidated. do you want your governor intimidated and distracted by such small things? moving forward. >> what about that? >> i agree with you. you know, it was incredible miscalculation. that wasn't even a forced error by charlie crist. that was a self-imposed error and i think it's because rick scott is so overly programmed and he's so tight which is one of the reasons why he kept punting and he had a difficult question to answer, you know, he kind of referenced his poor mom who passed away, multiple, multiple times. this is a guy who we've told people if you didn't like him now, if he gets reelected and doesn't have to run again, you're really going to dislike

him. >> in the corporate world that's what we call a real suit, right some i got it. >> well, and speaking of -- and speak issing of corporate very quickly, i will tell you charlie crist pointed out that there was 266 million dollars in public dollars given out to these corporations for job innocent i was and this is the great jobs governor rick scott. only 4% of the goals have been met. >> mitt caesar. good to have you with us tonight. coming up, in america's fight against isis there seems to be a shift that's taken place in public opinion in america. rapid response panel joins us to discuss, plus more hateful remarks from the guy who said this. >> a couple of same-sex guys kissing. you like that. that makes me want to throw up. preacher pat is deaf fitly not wearing purple today. his newest foam phonetic rant lands me in pretenders tonight. ask ed live. we're right back on "the ed show." blind. and sometimes i struggle to sleep at night,

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combat mission. we will not get dragged into another ground war in iraq. >> welcome back to "the ed show," just over a month since president obama outlined his administration's plan to degrade and ultimately destroy isis a lot has changed since then including the mood of the american public. back in september, an nbcnews wall street journal poll wanted access to isis to be limited to air strikes only. according to a poll conducted this month, 41% of americans now believe air strikes and combat troops on the ground are necessary for the mission against isis. no surprise here. the reversal is fueled mostly by groups that make up the gop base. there's been virtually no change among democrats. according to huffington post, paratroopers are training in fort polk, louisiana, and even the name of the operation seems to leave the door open for ground troops. operation inherent resolve.

central command officials said the name was intended to signify the use of all available dimensions of national power necessary. joining me tonight in the rapid response panel, colonel lawrence wilkerson, colin powell and also with us tonight, congressman john garamendi who sits on the house arms services committee. colonel, you first. are we setting the table for a reversal in policy here? what do you make of this and of the polls of the current feeling of the american people apparently starting to shift? >> i hope not, ed. i think what we're doing is just sound contingency planning and in this case, some training to back it up should we have to do it. i would call your viewers' attention to an article by lieutenant colonel daniel davis who criticized our policies in afghanistan quite elegantly in the national interest a couple of days ago and it suggests a set of tactics that just might

work. what we've got right now is we've got bombing that now is hitting targets that don't matter much because isis has gone into urban areas and into hiding. they're smart. they know what to do when we bomb. let's keep them in those areas and let's cordon them off and let's dare them when to come out and when they do, let's bomb them when they come out. i think davis is on it a good set of tactics. >> congressman, what has changed, if anything? what are the chances of us putting boots on the ground at this point? >> well, we're in a slippery slope, ed. i said this a month ago. watch out, this slope has now been greased and you listen to the media. the drumbeats of war. that drum beat is out there. we really should not, we should not put those boots on the ground. there is a place for special forces and we've seen that in syria and probably some places in iraq. the bombing campaign is stabilizing the situation. the president laid out four

specific things to be done. none of them included boots on the ground. we spent a decade, we'll spend well over $1 trillion. we lost more than 3,000 lives and who knows how many iraqis and thousands upon thousands of american soldiers came back badly, badly wounded in many different ways. we do not want to go back for another decade of war in that area. we have to have boots on the ground. those boots have to come from the neighborhood, not from america. >> colonel wilkerson, you know the sell job by the right on get boots on the ground isn't anything to stop any time soon. taking that under consideration, has the -- does the president need on change his position at all at this point? and do you think what we're doing is having an effect? >> let me say first, ed, that i agree with everything that congressman garamendi just said. i couldn't agree more with him. to answer your question directly, i think the president

needs to be a little more articulate about what it is that we're doing within the confines of the four points he outlined. we do not need boots on the ground other than indigenous forces and those need some training because we didn't do a very good job for ten years before, and i'm not sure that even with the training they're going to be adequate to the task. so i would say again, we need it a set of tactics that takes advantage of what isis is doing just as they take advantage of what we're doing and we need to stay ahead of their decision cycle. we need to do things before they do them and that's not impossible at all and it doesn't require boots on the ground from the united states or any country from the west. >> congressman, with the congress on break except for some hearings here and there, and much of the debate is taking place on the sunday shows or out on the campaign trail.

are republicans fearmongering for the near-term votes some. >> there obviously is a great deal of fear across this country. the ebola, the war, isil and there is a lot of fear and much of it is legitimate, but we've got to be thoughtful. we have to be patient in our own time and we have to think through what the will reality is. this is a sectarian war and it's also a war about wealth and power. we need to get it right this time. actually, this war is that righted during the reagan administration with the bombing of the marine barracks. it's been going on a long time and maybe more than a thousand years and we have to think through exactly how to structure this in such a way that we don't get bogged down in another middle east war to the detriment of this nation's wealth, to the detriment of our standing across the world and quite probably to make the problem worse. >> congressman, let me ask both of you, you first, john. the trust issue. do you feel confident that we're getting the kind of help we need

to get. the kurds are saying that the air strikes are not working. >> of course, they're going to need more. there's never been a jgeneral that didn't need moring some, more time, more something. this is very, very much their fight and their boots have to be on the ground ask and iml la similarly turkey sitting on the sidelines and who knows? it appears that saudi arabia is playing the sunni-shia card. this is a complex situation, but we should not get bogged down in another war. >> colonel, your thoughts on that. >> i agree with the congressman, and i would add that you're always going to have the kurds, the iraqis and certainly the syrian free army and others like them trying to get us to bail their rocks out of the fire. we can't do that. they've got to take the bulk of the weight here and they've got to do the bulk of the fighting. we can give them the air

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>> i don't think that we should be using farmers as a way to pack more welfare spending into barack obama's government. nor should we have a foot stamp program that isn't reformed, that doesn't have job training and work requirements, that doesn't have drug-testing requirements. >> 48 million people in this country on food assistance and tom cotton advocates drug-testing all of them. the unconstitutional measure would infringe on privacy and unfairly penalize the poor in this country. tom cotton released a commercial defending his vote to put arkansas at risk. >> farmers can't spend more than they take in. when president obama hijacked the farm bill, turned it into a food stamp bill, i voted no. >> his words are misleading and dangerous. food assistance has been a part of the farm bill since 1973 and traditionally bipartisan. a new website ranked all your politicians by their commitment

to food security. check the scoreboard for your member of congress. for instance, how speaker john boehner scores with a big fat zero when it comes to working for sensible food policy. senator mark pryor scores at 57, his challenger, tom cotton, also has a goose egg. foot security isn't a pawn for political agendas, it's a real necessity for families across this country. joining me tonight, food advocate and chef, tom callicio, good to have you with us tonight. and congratulations on "top chef". >> thanks, ed. >> how does tit calculate thing. >> we look at the votes and decide what is good food policy and then we have a board of directors that vote or decide

which items we're going to score. so this is our third scorecard, our third year of doing this. we're making a difference. these are issues, as you point out, food issues that every single person who eats, if you're lucky enough to eat three times a day should care about. if you care about gmo labels, the over use of antibiotics, if you care about feeding hungry people and nutritious lunches in schools, these are things that you care about. and most people when they're cooking for their family, they're not thinking of these actions as a political action. yet members of congress vote on these issues. so we have a way of knowing and holding our elected officials accountable. tom cotton did score zero, but since 1995 until present date, every year except for one year, tom cotton's family farm has taken subsidies. so it's okay for the farm

subsidy handouts, but not okay to take care of hungry people. >> what are we doing right? what are we doing wrong? a cheap food policy is something that this country formulated a long time ago. we want to make sure that farmers are on the land. we want food independence just like we want energy independence. we don't want to have to rely on other countries. fundamentally, are we doing things right? >> no. with taxpayer dollars, we're supporting big ag, not small family farmers. the $25 billion in subsidies in crop insurance now, 85% of that goes to support big ag, large mono culture farmers. 1% of that goes to specialty crops, what we know as fruits and vegetables. so, no, we're not supporting a clean agriculture system at all, we're not supporting small family farms. so when people hear the farm bill, people's idea of a farm is

very different than what our tax dollars are supporting. so this is, again, some of the work that we're trying to do, educate the public on what is contained in these various bills, that really affect what they're able to purchase. >> and income inequality plays into this? >> sure. it's easy to demonize someone on food stamps and say, look what they're spending it on, on cheap food, highly processed food. they're giving their kids sodas and chips and stuff like that. but you have to look at why they're doing it. it's the cheapest food available and it's cheap because of subsidies. they would love to go out and purchase great fruits and vegetables for their family. it's too expensive. there's no reason for a peach to cost more money than a fast-food hamburger, yet it does. and also, looking at food stamps as an investment in young children.

when children show up to school hungry, they can't learn. so we need to change our thinking around this. these are some of the things we're doing with food policy action, focusing on these kitchen table issues that affect everyo everyone. >> tom, thanks so much. that's "the ed show." "politicsnation" with reverend al sharpton starts right now. >> good evening, ed, and thanks to you for tuning in. i'm live tonight from los angeles. breaking news tonight from dallas. within hours, the first nurse diagnosed with ebola will leave dallas and arrive at a special biocontainment unit at an nih facility in bethesda, maryland. in the span of two days, texas presbyterian sending both infected nurses to facilities specifically equipped to handle ebola. they're just four such facilities in the ute