let's see more of that, that does it for this "the cycle." "now" starts right now. everybody exhale, ebola has a new czar. it's friday, october 17th and this is "now." >> winning the fight is going to be costly and it is not risk-free. >> president obama has just named an ebola czar. >> i do not know what is meant by a czar. >> i don't know what you call him. >> josh earnest said there was nony. >> that man is ron claim. >> air travel is in fact, how this disease crosses borders. >> there is no way in the world for the fruit bat to fly over the atlantic ocean. >> travel bans are not going to stop infected individuals from going around the world. >> people in that country will try to get out of that country.

>> the world is just waking up to the kind of response that is needed. >> we haven't begun yet to fully meet the challenge at hand. >> the death toll from the ebola outbreak has climbed to 4,546. >> if we don't address this outbreak now we will end up fighting, all of us, for decades. >> as of today, the u.s. ebola response has a new pointman. president obama has tapped former white house insider ron clain to be the ebola czar. the move comes 24 hours after the president suggested he might put someone in place to make sure that we are crossing the "t"s and dotting the "i"s. much of the clamor began with the czar-secret call g.o.p.

frank wulff and jerry moran led the charge in a letter to the president last week suggesting that a number of well respected administration officials with a background in international health and international diplomacy like colin powell, shockingly all of the suggested appointees served under president bush and five years ago almost to the day, then congressman jerry moran condemned the appointments as irresponsible. the president's czar appointments exemplify the bureaucracy and big government. another czar supporter, john mccain tweeted, obama has more czars than the romanoffs. that was then and apparently with the public panic over ebola this is now. or that was now.

because now that the president has picked his much-demanded ebola czar, republicans are furious and gone back to their primary objective, opposition. president obama will name political operatic ron klain as ebola czar. to much obama administration competition to name him -- ebolaspinczar. the white house clarified that mr. klain is not a czar at all. >> we call him the ebola response coordinator. >> joining me is michael shearer who has a cover story on rand paul and former governor of vermont, governor dean. republicans were against a czar and for a czar and against this particular czar which makes me

question whether there was ever an intention to work hand in glove to combat this and whether this is not just devolving to more of the political back and forth we have seen from the republican party for years now. >> i can't speak for president obama but i have written off the republicans as a serious force to get anything done. i don't think they know anything about public health. neither does ron klain. i would have hired the person that president obama recommended to the senate to confirm about nine months ago. why don't they confirm the surgery general who has a health care background. i don't know why anybody would pay any attention to anything that the republicans say. they have zero credibility. >> let's talk about ron klain. as the governor points out his

background is not in public health. but managing bureaucracy is a salient to have on one's cv as the ebola czar. tell us what you know. >> managing bureaucracy and message. he has been the go-to person for debate prep for several cycles now. he worked in the clinton white house as chief of staff for al gore. he came back to the obama white house as the first chief of staff for joe biden. was deeply involved in managing the stimulus of 2009 which despite its normal unpopularity didn't have many scandals attached to it. he has been talked of as being a possible chief of staff to obama. i think that's very much on the table. you could see it happening after this. this could be a ramp up into a coming back inside the white house after the mid-terms. but that's right. he's an expert at political messaging and operations. and those are the two things we

clearly see the white house needs help on. they bungled the message with you shouldn't be concerned. we have this under control. but little pieces aren't under control. and i think klain will help clean that up. and the cdc has had some trouble in managing its relationship with the hospitals. >> and i think, governor, to michael's point, messaging is a part of this and not just because the white house has not done the most expeditious job of managing the message but when you are talking about the public health maintaining a sense of calm is critical. and you need someone who can manage that message as much as someone who can imagine what is coming out of the white house. >> i think the president is giving the right message but the

health care establishment hasn't done a great job. this hospital let someone out who is a middle-aged man who had abdominal pain and a fever of 103. that is not the kind of person you send home from the emergency room. second of all they're not prepared to have the kind of techniques that need to be had because two of their care givers have gotten sick. we did not need a ebola czar to figure out the solution is what we are headed for under the cdc is that there are three or four centers in the country that can deal with this. omaha, nih, emery, that's where the patients should be. that's where it is least likely to break protocol and that's where they have experience with difficult, complicated problems that most of the health care

establishment in this count know nothing about. >> the governor mentions we are change protocols. one of the things that has been hotly contested is the travel ban. and in as much as some of this stuff is put in place because it is the right thing to do, some of it is the political most reasonable and expeditious thing to do. the white house has said, and cdc officials have said it doesn't make sense to have a travel ban. members of the right have been beating this drum pretty loudly in recent days. the white house press secretary said if we determine that some sort of targeted approach to a travel ban would protect the american people would wouldn't considered but implement it. does that mean the white house is getting closer to adopting a travel ban. >> i think the pressure is intense. i don't think it is changed what the scientists are recommending is that if you institute a travel ban you're going to make

it far worse for west africa in getting terms of doctors and supplies there. but you're going to make it harder to track people who are coming out of west africa and to screen them for diseases and educate them as they're coming out. and therefore make the situation worse. but you're in now three weeks out from an election in a situation many "n" which the polls have reversed themselves. and the country is concerned about ebola and on its face a travel ban sounds like it makes sense even though the reality of the experts in the field is that it doesn't. >> governor dean, that is really a disturbing juxtaposition, that election time politics factors into a public health crisis. i mean, from everything that -- >> that's exactly -- >> go ahead. >> sorry. that's exactly what the problem is and that's why i dismiss anything the republicans say about this.

everything they do is motivated by politics. now they have something people have a good right to be afraid of. they are cranking up the fear. they don't care about the consequences. all they want to do is win the election. if they can do it by scaring people about ebola. they don't care what the facts are. the fact of the matter is that exactly right, the experts have said that there should not be a travel ban. but it is -- but there was a mistake made here. it wasn't clear to me from reading the news accounts who made the mistake. but the nurse who was exposed by giving care at texas presbyterian should not have been allowed to fly to cleveland and back. she did apparently ask somebody if it was okay and they said yes. the care givers who have given care need to be treated as if

they might be infectious. clearly the protocol was not a good one and that puts the 100 or so people who took care of this man who died at risk. they should be treated as if they are at risk. we have to think about that. >> and that is certainly a question of protocol and p preparedness. >> thank you for your time and thoughts and wisdom. governor dean, please hang with me. rand paul makes a prediction about 2016 and minority voters. and the climate change denial from the right. and the national review is calling lena dunham gutless because she publicly disclosed for the first time that she was

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for rand the courtship continues. >> the biggest obstacle we have as republicans is demographics. we need to do better with african-americans, hispanics. i think i can bridge a gap and that is a gap to attract constituencies we haven't talked to in 80 years. >> that gap senator paul wants to bridge is large. mitt romney attracted just 6% of the african-american vote in 2012. but rand paul believes he can get that share up 27% in the next two years. >> if republicans have a clue and do this and go out and ask

every african-american for their vote i think we can transform an election in one cycle. i think there is fully a third of the african-american vote that is open to much of the message. >> rand paul who is on the cover of "time" this week is outstrike zone on matters of race and he received price on criminal justice reform. eric holder told msnbc that he and paul agree on more things than people would expect. but if rand paul wants the g.o.p. to go from 6% to 33% he has to stop dancing around the issue of voter i.d. laws. >> showing your driver's license to have an honest election i think is not unreasonable. and i think that's the main thing republicans have been for. >> this is last august i don't think that there is objective evidence that we are precluding african-americans from voting any longer. but in may he told the "new york

times" everybody has gone craze with on the voter i.d. thing. it's wrong for republicans to go crazy on this because it is offending people. but paul blinked. at no point did he come out against voter i.d. laws and paul went on fox news to split the baby saying voter i.d. laws aren't wrong but minorities feel they are and the g.o.p. should be careful but it's unclear what careful actually means. >> republicans should be emphasizing the good things we are trying to do to help minorities vote instead of the things that many minorities feel is directed at them, rightly or wrongly. so i do object to overemphasizing something that is turning people off. >> that's where rand paul is making the same mistake. is it not rightly or wrongly, it is rightly. back with me is the former chair of the dnc and former chair of

the rnc, face-off. michael steele, chairman steele. let me ask you what rand paul is doing here. is empathy on the issue of voter i.d. laws an adequate substitution for action? >> it is part of the steps you is to take before you can legitimatize the action or more importantly the communities you speak to see that action as legitimate. >> do you think the naacp says okay? >> it depends on how you come to the community with the conversation. what i admire about rand paul is he is making the effort. he's been honest and exposing himself a lot more than any potential candidate in three or four cycles and that is almost 30 years. so the reality of it is you've got this individual who is reshaping right now, the landscape going into 2016.

the times called him the most interesting man in politics. i call him the most dangerous man in politics because he has the ability to draw from the democrats and republican bases in a way that could upset a few apple carts if this thing strikes the way he is talking. >> governor dean let's talk about the contention he could draw democratic support. i think maybe. do you think his outreach to communities of color is enough to sway independents? >> i don't think it's enough to sway anybody. first of all i agree with about 3/4 of what michael said. making the effort is important. what rand paul lacks is the willingness to lead. that's why he backs off. wait until you get to the primaries when he comes under attack from his people. rand paul has said some nice things but done terrible things. he tries to pretend he is a

libertarian but he is against women having a choice in your lives. you can't get away with. that he's not going to get any young people's votes in the election should he be the nominee. people when they find out what rand paul is really about especially when he is trying to compete in the primaries it's not going the fly. i think it's a good thing. i'm founder of the 50 states strategy and part of that is ask everybody for their votes and it's a sign of respect. that's a part of the good thing he is doing. folks have agency and you can't run over whole sections of the population which is what the republican right wants to do. is it enough in unfortunately not enough he stands up to his own party. and i don't think he has the guts to do that. >> i agree with about 3/4 of what -- >> it's that sticky 25%. >> he's right when he talks about whether he is going to stand up. i have said that the nominee of

the party has to be prepared to have a sister-soldier moment where you say shut up and get in line. these are the issues that these communities want us to talk about. let's lay ourselves out there for them, expose ourselves and get out of our comfort zones and have this conversation. if he does that. if he goes across that line that will be a defining moment in this effort. to move the party closer to where communities of color live. >> but let me just -- from are a couple of things. one on the issue of voter suppression law which has a deep and powerful resonance in the country yochlt can be progressive on criminal justice reform and help black people, hispanic people, numerous people

in this country but if you remain where the republican party is on voter i.d. does that wipe away any progress you might make. >> you won't get street cred for the other stuff if the constitutional thing is -- you're not right on. that so i think for rand paul he's got to be able to connect that dot between those things like criminal justice and the cory booker stuff that everybody's going nice. he's got to connect that to the fundamental underlying concern that the african person community perceived or real -- >> you have to stop saying that -- >> it doesn't matter what you are thinking. >> it's real to them. >> if he does he opens himself up to a greater opportunity than if he sticks to the talking point and backs away from where his convictions want to take him. >> chris christie and rand paul have been talking about the

importance of reaching out to communities that the republican party has not been talking to and in many ways sidelining, between these two men as the chair of the dnc, who do you think is a more formidable opponent in terms of broadening outreach? chris christie or rand paul? >> rand paul. chris christie is not going anywhere. he has his own problems at home which are being investigated by a united states attorney. and forget about it is not a platform that gets you far in minnesota or iowa culturally. so i think -- here's the good thing about all this. this is good for the country even if they don't mean it, it's good for the country. we've got to stop the horrible polarization we have. this is why michael and i get along. >> 75%. >> we do. at the end of the day the country is in it together. and the instinct that rand paul

has here is that he understands that much. the question is can he get away from these horror shows that have been going on, climate change denial and voter suppression and all these things, anti-gay, anti-muslim, anti-immigrant. that you can't win with it. and mitt romney showed you can't win with that. he is intriguing but i don't think he has what it takes to convince a lot of people that the republicans is suddenly their party. but it's an important thing he's doing and i'm glad. >> i think we should take me off the air and give this hour to dean and steele. because it makes america feel better about america. you guys, howard dean and michael steele thank you for rounding out the week with me. >> thank you. >> j.p. morgan chase is thinking of building new headquarters in manhattan. but they want up to $1 billion from the city of new york to do so. i will explain coming up next.

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j.p. morgan chase is seeking out new digs, a new massive $6.5 bhl headquarters on new york city's west side. it would consist of two towers whoet space would be the equivalent of two empire state buildings home to 16,000 j.p. employees. sounds pretty cool but who will pay for those digs? according to the reports, chase initially sought by one account more than $1 billion in concessions from the city and the state. that is correct. j.p. morgan chase wants $1 billion in taxpayer help. the same j.p. morgan chase posted a $5.6 billion third quarter. third quarter profit. will j.p. get the taxpayer assist? quote, there is no way that the city would entertain a demand for $1 billion in additional

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as we speak the islands of bermuda are in the cross hairs of one of the most dangerous hurricanes of the year. hurricane gonzalo is the strongest atlantic hurricane since 2010. residents boarded up homes and readied for the storm. no hurricane has come within 57 miles of bermuda since 2003 when

winds caused $300 million in damage. in the pacific, the big island of hawaii, a place that rarely sees hurricane is under a storm watch from tropical storm ana. the hawaii governor declared a state of emergency for the entire state. a hurricane in hawaii in october. with each new record-breaking storm we carveuate the discussion with phrases like we don't know if this is the result of climate change or global warming might have been a factor but that misses the point. every storm is affected by climate change because every storm is happening on a warmer and more volatile planet. warmer oceans create more water vapor. we also know that rising sea levels make flooding during hurricanes more likely and more dangerous. the sea level on the east coast of the u.s., for example, the

most densely popularitied region in the country is rising up to four times faster than the global average. the world could see up to 20 more hurricanes every year by the end of the century all because of chielimate change. these are verifiable facts observed by experts. but in the world of right wing politics, denialism is the order of the day. take this from a man who would like to represent louisiana, which is one of the most vulnerable states in the country when it comes to rising sea levels. >> global temperatures have not risen for 15 years. we are losing our coastline but that is relative sea level rise. that's related to our levees on our river taking needed settlement from our coast and factors that cause the land to sink as much as water rising. >> joining me now is the editor of climate progress and chief scientist adviser for years of

living dangerously, joe rome. let me get the reaction to the comment that it's not about rising sea levels but about sinking land. >> you are right that louisiana is one of the most vulnerable states. there is no question that sea level is rising. as the ocean gets warmer the ocean expands. another part is that greenland and antarctic glaciers are melting at voracious pace. that puts water into the ocean that raises sea levels. louisiana is doubly vulnerable but it is low lying and it is sinking. so global warming, the fact that it is sinking isn't reason to feel better. it's reason to be extra worried. >> let me ask you a little about how the goal posts have shifted in the last couple years. i mean, john mccain i believe it was in 2008 proposed a cap in

trade plan that makes the president's new power plant rules look like a republican plan. i mean, george bush talked about climate change in his state of the union address and we have some so far to the right or -- i don't know if the direction is right. into the field of sort of, you know, denialism that, the idea of cap in trade and mentioning climate change in a state of the union address is unimaginable at this point. from a climate perspective what do you foresee happening in terms of moving the republican party on this issue? >> i think you're absolutely right that the republicans have gone to the extremes on this. and i think a large part of it, yes, driven by the threat of tea party challengers. and of course the tea party is backed by the coke brothers among other things. there is a lot of fossil fuel money in the system. and the fossil fuel money does

drive the conservatives and republicans to not want to upset those interests. what is going to change things? i think it's just unfortunately this unending stream of extreme weather whether it's this unbelievable drought in california, whether it's hurricane sandy storm surge, you know, i think that outside of the beltway here in washington, d.c., i think most people, including most republicans get it, that the climate is change and humans are contributing. so unfortunately, it's going to have to be, i think, about winning and losing elections. i think we're going to have to see candidates who are global warming deniers start to lose elections. >> and i would say that economic impact would be part of convincing people too. i mean one of the -- answer this question for me. there is a lot of confusion about this. is it as hard to draw a line

between climate change and massive storms, including hurricanes? >> there is no question, as you quoted some scientists earlier. the way to think about it is this, i think people ask the question did global warming cause this event. that's not the question. the question is did global warming make it more likely and more destructive. in the case of any kind of superstorm or storm surge the answer is yes. and an analogy is like the -- cash pollution is like a baseball player on steroids. you don't say the steroids caused a lunn bhome run but if are hitting 40 or 50 home runs and there is a bunch of players doing that then you know that the baseball player is juiced. in this since the climate system is juiced. we are seeing more extreme storms and destruction. sea levels have risen a foot on

the east coast. when you add the sandy storm surge on top of that it's going to be that much more destructive. what people need to worry about is if we keep doing nothing on climate change in the second half of this century, the east coast is going to see hurricane sandy level storm surges, perhaps as much as every other year. >> the trick is getting the climate and the baseball players off the juice. joe romm, thanks for your time. a leading conservative magazine just put lena dumben on its cover calling her a liar and a coward. we will unpack the shame game just ahead. ♪ the last four hours have seen... one child fail to get to the air sickness bag in time. another left his shoes on the plane... his shoes! and a third simply doesn't want to be here. ♪ until now... until right booking now.

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published dozens of articles about dunham. now she graces the cover with photo shopped tattoos with feminism, prescriptions, and of course sex. kevin williamson critiques dunham and her new book. he calls her sheltered, coddled and overprivileged. but excoriates her disclosure she was raped in college and calls the way she writes about it gutless. she describes an incident where she was too intoxicated to consent and she required medical attention following the incident. dunham told npr it was a terrifying thing for her to put into the world. the cover story is a good example for why it is a terrifying thing to put in the world. dunham's writing all this needless to say a gutless and

passive aggressive act, williamson writes. barry is a real person, one whose life is being turned up side down by allegations he raped a woman in college. dunham won't call him a rapist but she is happy to use others as sock puppets to call him a rapist. she wouldn't face him in a court of law but she will lynch him in print. joining me now is the co-host of msnbc's "the cycle," and staff writer -- >> there is so much there. >> let's just talk about the juxtaposition of lena dunham trying to bring to the table a really fraught period in her life and being called gutless by "the national review" is it any wonder that 60% of assaults go underreported in this country. >> he perfectly demonstrates why

so many don't report or wait to report because they fear they will be treated the way he is treating lena dunham. he has written about her multiple times. he has called her half bright and distinctly unappealing. he attacks her personally and feels threatened by what she represents as this outspoken woman who is extremely popular in society. >> and i think let's talk about what you wrote today on salon, katie. the disturbing thing in the narrative around sexual assault, those who are against the yes means yes law in california turn it to the male as being victimized in a transparent discussion of sexual assault. you write in our current public conversations most of which are focused on california's legal standard for college campuses rather than the work of shifting our cultures and men's attitudes

about sex from one of transaction and commodity to consent and mutual pleasure we are centering the barrys. we are pretending that most rape is an accident and fretting about the men who could be harmed by women sharing their stories. is it a miraculous thing that we are talking about barry and not lena dunham in this equation. >> and williamson is concerned about barry as a realperson but has little concern about lena dunham as a real person. but it's how we treat victims and pile on them when they do something that is incredibly hard which is sharing a story with the ambiguity and self reflection she is calling herself. she calls herself an unreliable narrator because she is responding to trauma which feels complicated.

>> that's a huge part of it. she is -- she goes through this episode in multiple chapters. the first is sort of this -- not comedic. but it's not as dark. >> a triumphant moment at the end. >> yeah. >> and part of the things that really riles up people is that this is presented in a really nuanced, deeply personal and vulnerable fashion. and like the accusations this is somehow a femmenazi out to get men don't hold. >> she is so honest and people find her so compelling. one in four college women will be sexually assaulted while they are in college. so her experience is one that so many women relate to and the fact that she is so candid and is so honest and relatable is what terrifies them. conservatives seem to have this

instinct to find an example of a woman who wrongly accused a man. that is one problem you could have. that is not the problem we have in this society. the problem is women unreporting their incidents and women being raped. that is the problem we have. >> i want to talk about bringing men into the conversation without it becoming a conversation about men. you talked about this in your article today. how do we do that without -- while keeping the focus on the women who are victims of sexual assault? >> i think that all of these initiatives are well intentioned and about men becoming involved but often we are not talking about power and not talking about the way systems privilege men in these spaces. we are talk about interpersonal stuff. it's about you personally but it's about questioning systems

and the ways we are raising boys to experience themselves in the world as unaccountable to different people. and i think that that requires a lot of unlearning and shifting of power and privilege and institutions. but we don't talk about that too often. we talk about men as somehow being victims of creating more space for women to be safer and have room to share their stories and that's a warped way to approach this. >> and the richness of "the national review" -- the irony is so thick you could slice it and serve it as cake. >> "the national review" is supposed to be this intellectual conservative thought and all i can think with this cover story and image is they have let themselves go. there is nothing smart or intellectual or worthy of print in this article. >> strong thoughts at this

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suits. and this person was outside the white house yesterday. but there was one unexpected voice of calm this week and it came from fox news. on wednesday, fox's shep smith delivered this message to his viewers. >> you should have no concerns about ebola at all unless you have been told of a possible exposure, fear not. do not listen to the hysterical voices or read the words online. the people who say and write hysterical things are irresponsible. >> they are not saying you shouldn't care or inform yourself, you should. is it a serious disease that is killing thousands in west africa and that deserves international concern. what they're saying is when you look at the fact there are more threats to worry about. the flu kills 24,000 americans a year. in 2004 that number was over

48,000. guns kill an average of 88 people a day in the united states. the main problem with the hysteria over ebola and in general is that most of us don't know how to measure risk. we worry about terrorist attacks when we are more likely to be killed driving a car. we worry about plane crashes but not climate change. it is as if in certain circumstances, the more frequently something kills, the less anxiety producing we fwiend it. we can do something about threats. we can address environmental degradation and species collapse. we can stop the proliferation of weaponry across the country. we can get a flu shot. we just have to decide it's worth doing. that's all for now. i'll see you back tomorrow at 4:00 p.m. eastern. "the ed show" is coming up next. welcome to "the ed show" live from detroit lakes, minnesota. let's get to work.

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