sooejing about. ♪ all right, good morning, thanks for being with us on another saturday morning, very eventful one overnight. we had new developments in the ferguson case. we had the first public words coming from the officer's camp about what happened and supreme court weighing in on the controversial voter i.d. law in the state of texas. their ruling and what it means in a bit. we'll have the latest from ferguson when -- we'll have the latest from ferguson as soon as we get a reporter on for that. we're working on that as we speak. sorry, there's a lot happening right now. we want to begin with the latest on the ebola crisis, more than 4400 deaths worldwide right now, three confirmed cases in the united states. two cases krrt contracted in the united states and election just 17 days from now that all of this somehow gotten tied up in.

the new york times has a front page story on president obama's quote seething reaction as what he see as a bungled response. boiled over when the president learned on wednesday along with the rest of us, that a second nurse had been infected and traveled on a plane. according to the paper, this is what led obama to canceling his meeting. he discovered medical officials providing information that later turned out to be wrong and guidance to local health teams that was not adequate. the president according to the times said it's not tight. according to their report this morning. this led to the appointment friday of democratic operative ron klain as the administration's ebola response coordinator. many are calling him the ebola czar. they are questioning why the president appointed a political operative and not someone with medical credentials.

the white house said the crisis required an implementation expert. meanwhile, there are growing calls for a travel ban from west africa where the crisis originated and where it continues to spread. those calls are coming now not just from republicans but also from a growing number of democrats fighting to win in red states. you saw some on your screen. a recent poll found 67% of those surveyed support barring entry of the united states to people who have been in ebola stricken countries. 67% of the americans there. officials from the cdc and nih testified that a travel ban would do more harm than good in trying to stop the crisis at its source in west africa. this morning, according to the associated press, public health officials are reiterating that experts are nearly unanimous in saying it's a bad idea that could backfire. this is a sentiment that president obama echoed in this morning's weekly address. >> trying to seal off an entire region of the world, if that were even possible, could make

the situation worse. it would make it harder to move health care workers and supplies back and forth. experience shows that it could also cause people in the affected region to change their travel to evade screening and make the disease even harder to track. >> all right, here to discuss this and other week's big stories we have richard wolffe, and former republican national committee chairman michael steele is here and jane tim in her "up" debut. a little rough at the beginning, sorry about that. the politics of ebola, because unfortunately this is something that froblly shouldn't be tied up in politics but it is happening as we say, 17 days before an election. so the most interesting thing to me that's happened in the last 24 hours is it started out with calls for travel ban coming from republicans and it seemed like this was sort of the political line of attack they were going

to use against administration and democrats and now what we're seeing democrats are starting to go along with this too. we saw kay hagen and mark pry or in arkansas and wendy davis coming out for this now. it seems like we have the poll there, 67%, but it seems there's now momentum politically in that direction. >> i think that there's a lot reasons for that, just aside from the politics of it, which is a whole other conversation, people on the republican side you've seen this as an opportunity one more time skew the president on something. but beyond that, i think it's basically a lot of people feel -- and i've heard this over and over again, that the administration in large measure was caught flat footed on this. the concern is people talking about don't panic, people aren't panicking about catching ebola. what concerns them is the ability or inability of the administration to actually handle the one or two cases that we know about so far.

and so that is i think really the impetus for more people saying you know what, until you get it under control here, why don't we keep it over there. that means a travel ban. >> you have this article in the "times" this morning and we're quoting from it, where the president himself, they are saying wednesday is the key date. the president finds out and we all find out there's a second infected nurse who flew on this plane and alerted the government about this and allowed to fly anyway and he stepped back wednesday and said, you know, this response has been bungled so far by the government. >> right, i've been covering various white houses for many years and i personally have written many stories of presidents seething, they don't mean a whole lot. presidents get angry for all sorts of reason, this president quietly smolders and may be terrified and i've seen it directed at me an it's quite unsettling.

presidents can't control a whole lot. when you talk about the bungling that went on in texas, you're talking about hospital administration that failed, you are talking about the cdc that failed. cdc is not an agency that is sits in the white house or old executive office building. so there are multiple points of control, none of that meant as an excuse, by the way, that is the administration, when you have a public health crisis, they ought to know what the protocols are and saying this is what best practice is because the real challenge is to health workers, whether it's west africa or in the united states of america. it's not from people catching planes and we need to be really clear even though it's an election and people are playing politics, need to be really clear the steps we take are designed to stop the transfer of it especially to health officials. that's the problem. >> that's where this gets -- intersection of politics and health crisis gets interesting to me, we have this ap story this morning saying the same thing, you have public health officials saying this idea of a travel ban, gaining some support

politically, actually -- not just -- it's a counter productive idea in terms of controlling the outbreak in west africa and keeping it eventually from spreading here among other places. that's what health experts are saying but there's a political momentum on side, 67% of the country. i guess the question is, the president as he said this week is not for this travel ban. is he going to be able to hold back that political pressure if he doesn't believe this is a good idea? >> i think you have to think that when you imagine these poll strers calling people and saying you do you think cutting off travel to the country it's coming from -- sounds like a good idea. there are no direct flights, 150 people a day coming from different places. i think what they need to focus on what they've said, contact tracing is the most important way to contain this disease. figuring out where people come from. the less restrictions and more screening seems to be key. but whether or not he can actually make that stick -- >> do you think he can pull it

off? >> i don't. this is the flag pin thing. it's so obvious and ludicrous and he's going to have to do it. people can travel. they will travel other -- there are lots of historical ties, they will find another place to go to. people get around it, they get around a travel ban. the politics are too simple and powerful. >> this was on this set yesterday, morning joe, i don't know if you saw this. one of the members of congress pushing through the flight ban and actually has some legislation to that effect, very interesting thing happened when he appeared on "morning joe" yesterday. take a look at that. >> congressman, one quick question, just to clarify, what flights are you talking about? because there are not regularly scheduled commercial flights from the affected countries to the united states. >> there are none. >> no direct flights from west

africa to the united states. >> we are talking about -- we're talking about travelers but we're not talking about flights, because there aren't any. >> but i believe there are some flights but be that as it may. >> >> there are no direct flights that come to the united states from west africa. that's incorrect. >> we don't have any problem, everybody is contained. >> they come through europe, which is why -- >> members of congress who are advocating for a travel ban need to do a better job of explaining why that would solve the problem outright when they come from european countries. >> it will not solve the problem. i never said it would solve the problem. it is a step in the right direction. >> says dennis ross from florida. it seems that's the mixing of the emotion involved in the issue, like totally understandable and the basic facts of the matter, no direct flights from the united states to these affected countries. it didn't seem congressman necessarily knew that. >> that's part of the problem. there's a lot of misinformation or lack of understanding of

exactly what is the situation with respect to how people get here. you're absolutely right. rich people will go from africa to europe to the u.s. or some other route. so understanding all of that is part of it. i can tell you straight up, that exchange, there were more people sitting and standing with the congressman in that exchange than not. that's where we are right now. the administration has to deal with this new reality. for a lot of people's perspective, i know these weren't the exact words, we wouldn't have to worry about this, it was highly unlikely that we would have an incidence of ebola or be concerned about it here in the united states and here we are. with that track record if you will and the cdc did break down in terms of drilling down to the hospitals and making sure that they had the right protocols in place, not when someone calls hey, i have 102 fever, not that bad, can i fly and check out my wedding plans?

>> go ahead and get on the plane. those types of things lend to the lack of confidence. so what the result? okay, let's just slow it down. >> this is the story to be watching the next few days, if politically if the momentum is too strong in terms of the travel ban, how to make that work as best you can with the needs to get aid workers to get aid over there. we'll be back with more on the morning's top headlines how willie horton, how that ad may make a comeback in the final stretch of this election.

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moving back to the campaign trail this morning, only 17 days before the midterm election, rand paul is this week back on the cover of "time." and continuing his public push to broaden the republican

party's base, specifically with black voters. >> if republicans have a clue and do this and go out and ask every african-american for their vote, i think we can transform an election in one cycle. i think there's fully a third of the african-american vote that is open to much of the message because much of what the democrats have offered hasn't worked. >> and the day after rand paul said that this week, the national republican congressional committee, they raise money and run ads for republican candidates around the country, they went into nebraska, where an incumbent republican congressman is facing a tough re-election campaign and put this on the air. >> four murders in 11 days. >> a judge decides jenkins is responsible for all of them. >> the head of the omaha police union said jenkins is the poster

child while it is a farce and allowing criminals like nikko jenkins to be released early. >> it's being called the new willie horton ad, that republicans used against michael due kkakis in 1988. does this ad tell us something about the rest of his party? michael steele, what do you -- >> ad doesn't tell you anything other than consultants are stupid and that's basically -- they play to the lowest common denominator and that's part of the problem. you have sort of a forward thinking message from a potential presidential candidate, a sitting united states senator, leader within the party, who's over the last year and a half really done some really extraordinary things to try to change the dialogue and conversation. and yet at the base level where you actually meet voters and hang out with them, you run this crap. you say to yourself, what is the point of this ad.

i mean, in the context of the case or the situation, yeah, okay, the member of the house supported the law. but then to put it in this frame, says something very racist in my view. >> michael, this is the nrcc, national republican committee bought the ad. >> the congressional committee. >> that is not just a consultant or strategist. that was national republican money behind that. at least the willie horton ad was done by a shadowy sort of supportive -- wasn't done by the actual bush campaign, although they had their own version of it afterwards. this to me is -- i hear you on rand paul, i think what he's doing on prison reform is and sentencing reform is actually really impressive, but that's sanctioned by the national party, it's astonishing. >> again, stupid does stupid. >> so what is the -- in terms

of -- rand paul looking at running in 2016, jane and the republican party i went back and looked at this. you have to go back to 1960 and the polls weren't as precise back then. if you go back to 1960 to finds a presidential race where republican candidate got more than 20% of the black vote. and rand paul is saying in the interview, we can turn this around in one election if we do it right. how realistic is that? >> i love the way rand paul talks because he talks about the gop needs someone and describes himself. he's the one in his party pushing these values, but the rest of his party is not sticking with it. so i mean, i don't know how we're going to see rand paul pull this off. it sounds like he's got great campaign talk but -- >> what could he get? what percent? >> i don't know what percent he could get -- >> what it be a jump? >> i think it would absolutely be a jump when you consider the 9% that bush got in 2004, 2008. but -- i mean, 2004. the reality of it is, it's not

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mr. udall your campaign has been so focused on women's issues you've been dubbed mark uterus, a neutral observer said any image of you as a bipartisan walk across the aisle guy has been significantly diminished. >> that was a question to colorado democratic senator mark udall asking whether his campaign's focus on exploiting the gender gap is back firing on

him. this is turning into what may be the defining question in what is one of the most crucial races for control of the senate. have democrats bet too much on the war on women? udall is the running against cory gardner. they decided they had an golden opportunity to turn women voters away from gardner because he supported a personhood bill in colorado and since taken his name off it and still listed as a sponsor of a personhood bill in congress. in many ways of the story of the 2012 campaign was about below back against the war on women with president obama carrying women by 12 points. insensitive comments by republican candidates, todd aiken with the legitimate rape remark, cost republicans very winnable senate races in 2012. this year udall's campaign has bet the farm on creating a similar backlash against gardner. half of all of the ads he has

run have been on women's issues like this one. >> for colorado's women and families. >> congressman gardner doesn't get it. >> for some it's the history supporting harsh anti-abortion laws and making abortion a felony, including cases of rape and incest. >> i want my daughter to have the same choices i do. >> but there are some scary signs for democrats that it may not be working this time around. gardner is now ahead by 3 points in that race in the colorado. the polls have been trending in his direction lately. look at this, in the latest poll, udall is ahead by nine points among women. that's not bad but not quite the big margin the campaign is betting on. among men, gardner is up by 19. that is much worse than udall campaign was expecting there. this is a crucial race for democrats if they want to keep control of the senate. the question is why what works so well for them just two years ago doesn't seem to be working as well here. if udall can make it work in the

final two weeks. joining me now is benji, you've been everywhere and tell us what's going on there. this is a race that a lot of people look at colorado and say this is a state that changed significantly. it had been a republican state and president obama carried in 2008 and 2012, rising latino population, women and backlash in 2012, certainly an issue there. yet this is something where republicans are feeling bullish. what's happened? >> this is a state whereas you mentioned, it doesn't fit the profile of a lot of other races where democrats are trailing and kind red states trending in that direction. they are a stand-in for the nation there's a reason republicans are excited philadelphif they can win this. before gardner announced his run it was basically assumed among the republicans i talked to they had no chance of winning the senate seat unless they could convince gardner to run.

>> the democrats looked and said on paper, they can paint him as far right on abortion and there's an opening there that hasn't materialized? >> exactly. you mentioned the gender gap. in 2010 democrats managed to incredibly win the senate seat, even then. bennett won with 17-point gender gap. 16 or 17 points, significantly greater. but then ken buck really fit this extreme profile -- >> the republican candidate in 2010. >> right. he made comments about how during the primary you should vote for him because he doesn't wear high heels. he was compared home sexuality to alcoholism. before gardner got in the race he was the presumed senate nominee, it's likely you wouldn't have had colorado on the map if that happened. gardner has similar views to ken buck. not significantly more moderate as they've mentioned. but he does not come across as an extremist. i was talking to a republican friend of gardner's just yesterday who mentioned he does a lot of direct camera ads and

comes off as sunny and smiley. it's hard to caricature him as an ogre. >> the big difference you're saying, he doesn't put his foot in the way todd aiken and ken buck did, he's avoiding the inflammatory statement. it's the rhetoric. >> absolutely. he's incredibly disciplined. he sounds like he's talking naturally but doesn't make mistakes very easily. he really knows when to pull back. but the other big thing about this, on issues like immigration, for example, which is another thing that really ended up destroying ken buck, he lost 80% of the latino vote and they had higher turnout than they expected. gardner has not embraced immigration reform but said he supports immigration reform generally. he's for the general idea of let's work something out, even if he won't exactly say what it is he supports and much more careful to meet with latino groups to talk about how he's an

ally, even if the same groups decided that he's not supporting their position and doing everything they can to get him out of office right now. >> it sounds like -- we're saying colorado of all of the states this year on the map, colorado is the closest thing there is to an authentic swing state, it's a purple state. there's stuff potentially here for democrats to consider, if udall falls short. it seems there has to be reconsideration how to approach the war on women and gender gap. it's something they have -- it's been a huge payoff for them politically but it may not be quite as simple as producing as they thought. that seems to be the lesson in colorado. >> there's going to be a lot of reevaluations on both sides if gardner wins this race. democrats will have to wonder if maybe there's a different way to shift this focus to make this same point without it becoming so easily to character, this is a one issue campaign, he's mark uterus, you'll see people trying to clone whatever gardner did

here. it's possible it is candidate specific and not everyone can pull off i'm your neighbor friendly kind image. but people will say let's find a way like gardner did to pick one issue to distance yourself on. he repudiated the personhood amendment -- >> but found ways to muddy the conversation, i'll admit when i was wrong. so give yourself a little plausible distance without changing your position on the major life issues. and then just try to sound like a moderate basically. i mean, this is something that i guarantee you if gardner wins you're going to see candidates trying to run the exact same play book. >> it's going to pose a dilemma for democrats. it's still a close race and democrats say maybe the polls are under sampling latino voters. this is not one that necessarily people thought would be in the

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two shots were fired inside the car, one of which hit brown in the arm. brown was shot six times in all, including twice in the head. officer wilson's account contradicts what some of the witnesses say they saw. one witness said she thought brown was trying to flee but couldn't see clearly. another witness said she was watching from a close distance said it appeared brown was trying to pull off or pull away and officer wilson was trying to pull him back in. a third witness said while he couldn't say for certain what happened, quote, something was going on in the window, window of the police car and it didn't look right. then there's the account of the friend with michael brown when wilson stopped his vehicle, and ordered them both down, that young man said the officer pulled brown into the vehicle and drew his weapon and threatened to shoot after the first shot was fired and they took off running. never says the friend did brown reach for the officer's weapon. a lawyer for the brown family dismissed wilson's account

saying what the police say is not to be taken as gospel. this is all according to "the new york times," a new story this morning that did not interview wilson himself. there's no indication whether wilson will be indicted. joining me now is amanda, in ferguson, during the protests. thank you for being here. it sounds like, again, this is based on sources the "new york times" have, that broke overnight basically, but it sounds like there's clear conflict between what the officer is saying according to the story and what the witnesses have stepped forward. there's starkly different accounts here. >> good morning, these are anonymous sources, we don't know where this is coming from. this is the most significant testimony that we've heard out of this grand jury investigation into brown's death. before this we've had very contrasting accounts of what exactly happened. we still do no have a very clear picture of exactly what happened

after the incident at the inside of the vehicle, the scuffle. they say there is some type of brawl exchanged inside the vehicle but it's still unclear why exactly officer wilson ended up shooting brown six times. >> so we also have in this area, they say first of all, wilson testified for four hours before the grand jury. the legal experts were surprised he had done this, that he could have simply invoked the right not to say anything, instead he chose toe submit himself for four hours to questioning. what is the significance of that? >> he wasn't required to be there but there's a huge ground swell of calls especially in ferguson and st. louis region and even throughout the country that they want some type of action to be taking place. and i think his side of the story wasn't as clear before. and even as the events unfurled inside ferguson, the police accounts were very, very muddled

in the first weeks. they did not handle the situation very well. and so now the protests on the streets are calling for wilson's arrest. and the ground swell is really rising now. >> there is -- so there are two tracks to this. there's the federal civil rights investigation, the justice department has launched this and this article, again, i have no reporting here, maybe you do or have insight into this. this article is suggesting that their sources are telling them that the department of justice in looking at this so far does not think there's a federal civil rights case here. >> there's a high bar in order to put a federal civil rights case against him. they have to prove wilson violated brown's civil rights, which is a very high bar. >> what would that involve? >> that he actively was trying to shoot him, not -- it was not in self-defense, that it was a very active, he was going after brown. and in order to make that case, it's very difficult. >> in the second piece of this

then is the st. louis county grand jury and we're expecting to hear in mid november, they are saying, whether they are going to indict the officer or not? >> we're hearing it could be mid-november but they have until early january to decide. it could be any time between then and meanwhile the protests on the streets continue to grow. >> okay, to be continued. my thanks to ammanda sakuma, on very short notice. one of the most amazing debate moments in history, it happened this week. you probably heard about it. we're going to play it if full and show you stuff you probably missed. that's next. [ female announcer ] you get sick, you can't breathe through your nose...

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you've probably seen bits and pieces at the governor's debate on wednesday. but we thought we were going to do something a little different this morning. we're going to show you the full complete unedited saturday night

livesque sequence of events that played out on the stage wednesday night. grab some popcorn, doughnut, take a look. >> and good evening, everyone. we are live from broward college in florida, broadcasting to 11 florida television markets from bailey hall. where we are prepared to have the two major party candidates for florida governor square off for the next hour. we want to take a shot of the stage here at bailey hall in broward county. as you can see, the two candidates invited to take part in debate right now are not stepping up on the stage. ladies and gentlemen, we have an extremely peculiar situation right now. we have governor charlie crist! [ applause ]

>> governor, florida governor rick scott, our incumbent governor and republican candidate for governor is also in the building. governor rick scott, we have been told that governor scott will not be participating in this debate. now, let me explain what this is all about. governor crist has asked to have a fan, a small fan placed underneath his podium. the rules of the debate that i was shown by the scott campaign say that there should be no fan. somehow there is a fan there and for that reason, ladies and gentlemen, i am being told that governor scott -- will not join

us for this debate. [ booing ] >> ladies and gentlemen, ladies and gentlemen, this is a debate, rosemary goodrow, what can we say? >> well -- >> ultimate pleading of the fifth i have ever heard in my life. [ applause ] >> wow. >> yeah, it is. >> i'm sad that people in florida -- going to get hear. >> we're not asking you a question. we're not asking a question of governor crist. i'm asking rosemary about the situation we find ourself in. >> governor crist, do the rules of the debate say there should be no fan? >> not that i'm aware of. >> so that the rules that the scott campaign just showed us that says that no electronics can be used -- >> are we really going to debate

about a fan or talk about education and the environment and future of our state? [ applause ] >> i mean, really. there are serious issues facing our state and it's like funding education appropriately, protecting our environment, making sure we have ethical honest leadership. >> governor -- [ applause ] >> if he's going to give it to me, i'm going to take it. >> this is not -- this is not -- this is not a platform for one candidate. we're hoping that governor scott will join us on the stage. >> that would be great. >> i'm told that governor scott will join us on the stage. in all fairness to governor scott, i was shown a copy of the rules that they showed me that said there would be no fans on the podium. [ applause ]

>> the fan -- >> my understanding is that governor scott will be coming out. >> not in my life, unimaginable. >> frank, have you ever seen anything like this? >> no, i haven't. this is -- remarkable over sort of a trivial issue no matter which side you believe you're on. >> we were placed in the awkward situation of having to decide this and -- i don't think it's our role to determine. [ applause ] >> governor, thank you. >> what's happened since that debate, asked to explain their candidates absence for the six and a half minutes, scott's campaign is claiming miscommunication and scott never refused to participate, he thought the issue was being

negotiated while both candidates remained offstage. the rules state clearally that candidates may not bring electronic devices including fans. before sending those back to organizers, the crist campaign wrote in in the bottom, it was stating it would address temperature issues with the fan accordingly. the temperature on the stage was in the 60s and they did not anticipate or plan for the possibility the candidate would not honor the rules. they should have been better prepared for this possibility. and we regret one candidate was allowed to take the stage and talk before the fan issue was resolved. this is a razor thin race. it is the closest race for governor in a big state this year. so is this -- is a dispute over a candidate's use of an electric

fan at a debate, is this going to decide who wins and who loses this race? joining me now from ft. lauder dale, editor of the sun sentinel in florida. thank you very much for joining us, i'm sure you did not expect at the start of the week you would be on national television talking about fans at the end of the week. but here we are. what i'm most curious about, i've heard the rick scott's version of events, he didn't intentionally stay off the stage and didn't realize charlie crist was out there. this went on for several minutes. it seems to me it would only take a flip on the tv and send him out here. this is an extended absence, do we know what was going on behind stage yet? >> i don't know exactly what was happening but i do know the producer said we were going to go live at 7:00, we did go live at 7:00. as we were sitting there in the moments leading up to that moment, you know, we didn't know if we were going to have a

debate. i have new found respect for live tv. >> well, one of my favorite moments of that and i have watched this extended clip about 100 times since wednesday. but one of my favorite moments, towards the end, charlie crists walks away before governor scott comes out and walks away from the podium and walks past you and you're looking at him and give him kind of a funny expression and it looks like you guys made some kind of eye contact. what was he telling you with his body language at that moment? >> well, you know, charlie is really good at working the room. he is a natural politician, unlike governor scott, who's very serious and caring but charlie is more -- more personal. he was coming overtaking a moment and filling the stage, coming over to the moderators. i don't recall what he was saying to me, but all i could remember, thinking in that moment was, can you believe this? i just couldn't believe what was happening. >> and so what happened

afterwards? the organizers put out a statement in the scott people are claiming vindication from this statement. what was it like afterwards in dealing with these campaigns? i imagine the scott campaign was clearly upset with how this went down. what were they both saying afterwards? >> even before it start, just seconds before it started, a very agitated adviser for the scott campaign came up behind us at the panel and said, are you going to enforce the rules or are you going to enforce the rules? we're like, gee, the only rules we know, one minute, win minute, 30 seconds. then we're going live. so he lives. he's over in the wings and we're waiting to see if the governor is going to come out. i'm looking at the adviser and he's going -- cut this show, cut the show. clearly the show is still going on. i do believe the debate organizers deserve criticism here for taking their eye off the ball. when -- charlie crist is famous

for bringing a fan wherever he goes. he's been here in this studio where i'm in ft. lauder dale right now and he wanted a fan with him in order to appear here. he comes into the editorial board, he wants a fan. he's famous for it. and so when he turned in his document, he put that little handwritten addendum if it's not comfortable, you'll make it comfortable. i guess one of the reactions afterward is, who's to say what's comfortable. i was comfortable in the room. it was cool to me. but once people fill the room, what was the temperature at that point, i don't know. but i do think that the organizers deserve some blame for failing to tell the scott campaign about this little addendum that allowed governor crist to tell me in the moment, not that i'm aware of. >> one final question, if governor scott had not come out on stage after six minutes, what were you thinking there?

you had an hour of tv to fill? >> we worked so hard on our questions, we debated our questions and had -- and to lose these minutes when there were so many important issues, i'm not a tv person, so the newscaster new found respect, turns to me and is like, can you fill? and all i could think of was what are we going to do for an hour. we were going statewide in every market, 14 markets of florida and had to fill. the question came, have you ever seen anything like this? no, never seen anything like this before. >> well, important issues and important debate. i am curious if that had gone for 10 or 20 minutes what you would have done. my thanks for joining us this morning. been a busy week for you i'm sure. >> happy to be here, thank you. >> another full hour of "up" is ahead. stay with us. that's right. it's just that i'm worried about you know "hidden things..." ok, why's that? no hidden fees,

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ebola response. all right, thanks for staying with us, we're aiming high on this busy saturday morning. we decided to tackle the question of how to fix congress. and one of the biggest stars from msnbc has a background in this area that you might not know about and is going to join us in a few minutes to give us the answer to that question. but we begin this hour with the fallout from the government's problematic response to the ebola crisis. a doctor who has treated all three of america's ebola patients is pointing his finger at the cdc saying the two infected nurses were not properly outfitted when they treated thomas eric duncan for his part. there is a report in "the new york times" that president obama is seething about the early response to the crisis. this led to the appointment of democratic strategist ron klain to coordinate efforts to contain

the virus, to be the new ebola czar. for more we go to kristen welker standing by with the latest on the white house's response. kristen, big news in "the new york times," what's the latest at the white house? >> reporter: i can tell you based on my conversations here, president obama was incredibly upset, particularly in the first meeting he had with the cabinet secretaries on wednesday, when he canceled campaign trips to stay here at the white house and deal with his response to ebola. he was particularly angered by the fact there had been so many missteps and mistakes on the part of the cdc, the hospital down in dallas. that was one thing that was compelling him to appoint a person to deal with ebola. but there were a number of factors pressuring to appoint a so-called ebola czar. there has been widespread fear throughout the country this past week with headlines emerging almost daily, these negative headlines.

and there seem to be mixed messages coming out of the white house. there's also a lot of political pressure, democratic sources telling me they were concerned that the criticism that the administration has been getting for its response to ebola would ultimately make it harder for them to hold onto the senate. of course, you know they are locked in a tough battle to hold on to senate. midterms a few weeks away now. one democratic source telling me they wouldn't be able to survive if there was another week like this past week that happened. so i think those were among the factors that led president obama to appoint ron klain. he is being criticized by republicans who say he doesn't have a background in health care. he doesn't have a medical background. the pushback on that from the white house is this is someone who is not necessarily an expert in ebola but rather an expert in implementation. he's someone who knows how the government works. he was chief of staff to vice president biden, former vice president al gore. he helped roll out the recovery act. he also has a background in law and business. he has a strong background in

management. and the white house is hoping that having a public face on this will help to not only reassure the public, but also to quell that political firestorm that has been brewing here. >> my thanks to kristen welker at the white house this morning. really appreciate that. some democrats are calling on republican commit chairman to hold hearings on the state of the public health systems, specifically how the last few years of budget cuts and austerity may have affected the infrastructure and ability to deal with something like ebola. one of those democrats is rosa delaura of connecticut from joins us now. it's interesting as we say, there's an intersection going on of the campaign season and election is 17 days away and this public health crisis and inhe hai inevitably these merged together. you the had the director of the n hixt h, francis collins, a

sterling reputation in both political parties but makes a statement about funding levels and saying we might be a lot closer to a vaccine or have a vaccine or treatment if we had more funding and immediately gets thrown into the political, well democrats are saying there's a good point there and republicans saying it's not a good point. what do you make of his message and did it get through this week? >> let's just start here. let's put politics aside, steve, this is not a political issue. we are looking at a public health infrastructure crisis. and what we have discovered when we began to try to deal with it -- and you have to keep it in perspective, one individual contracted the disease in liberia. came here, there are two infected nurses dealing directly with the patient. and issues of body fluids and secretions and the community that surrounded mr. duncan, they are if you will, quarantine ends

tomorrow. no one there has been ill. we should not create panic. let me go back to this -- what we have done with looking at how we deal with this public health crisis, is that the agencies who have the direct responsibility for overseeing this effort, in one area of the national institutes of health. what is their job, steve? they are research development, the cure, the vaccine, their budget has been cut 10% over the last four years. center for disease control, cdc, their responsibility is to protect the public, to manage the disease and work with state and local health departments in order to manage this disease. their budget is -- in terms of preparedness, over the last four years have been cut 16%. that includes working with those

local health departments and includes the laboratories that do the testing. and it includes -- >> do you think if the levels had not been cut like that, do you think there would be a vaccine right now? >> well, you know, francis collins, this is the individual who has been responsible for the genome project. what he says they would be further along. let me give you an example from my own state of connecticut. we have a company, protein sciences, that several years ago was working on a on ebola vaccine. funding from the national institutes of health, nih dried up, fortunately they saved the genetic material and now when this crisis, they have now begun their working with the niv to move quickly to look at the protein based vaccine. when you cut short the research, the development, you cannot

discover a cure with a flat funded budget and in this case, you're looking at budgets that have been cut substantially. one piece that is very important, which i don't believe the public knows today is that the hospital preparedness fund, which comes from the department of health and human services and works with state department of health, that budget has been cut 44% in the last four years. and when i spoke to my commissioner in connecticut, what that does is reflects a cut to connecticut in hospital preparedness of about 37%. i checked in on ohio. that budget -- that funding was 29% cut. is it the total answer? should we have -- should there be protocols that are uniform and standards that are uniform and look at where the soft spots are and glitches are? yes. but when you underfund the

agencies that have the responsibility for protecting human life, to the extent that they have been, that is a serious problem. >> all right, congresswoman from connecticut, appreciate the time this morning. thank you very much. >> thank you. >> right now we're going to shift gears a little bit. going to get into something that actually may be just as a challenge as trying to stop ebola. congressional dysfunction. very smart people including one of the hosts right here at this network have come together with a plan to fix it. you can see how americans feelings towards congress have been plummeting after 9/11. now 13 years ago, 84% approve the work congress was doing. but that began to fade and then the bottom fell out and that's where congress's favorable score has been for years now. it's barely registers in a graph like that. not like many people expect the upcoming midterm election to change much, no matter what happens on election night, we're still going to have divided government and still going to have some kind of gridlock.

what is the way out of this mess? is there a way to actually get congress to start doing real things, to start doing big things again to make it so the divided government, a republican congress, a democratic president, to make it so a divided government actually produces something meaningful and not just parl sis. these are the questions that esquire magazine posed when it convened a team of experts for its new issue, a group of former congressional insiders free to talk and think more freely and openly maybe, a little bit more candidly than they used to about what it would really take to get congress working again. when it sat this group down, esquire had one rule, the panel, the bipartisan panel had to reach a consensus and do what washington has failed to do for years now. who was part of this group? on the republican side there was former senate majority lead trent lott. and almost speaker of the house bob livingston of louisiana for the democrats and former leader

tom daschle and barney frank, who retired last year. and there was also a journalist in the group, journalist and former aid to daniel pab r patrick moynahan and journalist you know as the 10:00 p.m. host at msnbc, lawrence o'donnell. he is standing by in boston right now. when we come back, he's going to tell us what this conclave of congressional cardinals came up with. lawrence o'donnell joins us live next. the exhilaration of a new engine. painstakingly engineered without compromise. to be more powerful... and, miraculously, unleash 46 mpg highway. an extravagance reserved for the privileged few. until now. hey josh! new jetta? yeah. introducing lots of new. the new volkswagen jetta tdi clean diesel. isn't it time for german engineering?

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we're talking about how to fix congress, the impossible task and joining me now to discuss is the host of the msnbc's the last word, lawrence o'donnell. part of a panel of experts that

"esquire" form lated to come up with a solution. former majority lead trent lott and bob livington and former congressman barney frank and tom daschle. thank you for being on the show this morning. i want to get into these recommendations. but first, this is a really interesting group that came together. tell us a little bit about what this session was like. where were you guys and what was the conversation like? were they saying things that as politicians they couldn't say in public? >> yeah, they were, but they were in effect saying them in public because "esquire" had a couple of reporters there writing down everything. a bunch of things ended up being off the record, especially things that involved personal recommend nis sense of particular complaints against particular members of the house or senate -- >> the fun stuff, in other words. >> exactly. it was pretty great. but it was in a conference room

in washington. and it was exactly like my experience years ago working in conference rooms in the capitol. they send to be secret rooms where senators and congressman used to meet outside of the glare of reporters, even knowing they are meeting. and having these kinds of discussions that were really honest and because, you know, when they close the door, it used to be this way, when they would close the door, you know, senators from different states okay, look, here's my problem, when i was running, i had to say this, they would have said to you, i had to say this, meaning my heart wasn't in it but i had to take this position in order to win my state. and they would be very open about why they were jammed and wouldn't be able to vote and stuff. this had that feeling to it. it was really great. it was an old feeling that i used to have working in this bipartisan way in the senate

with -- and also including house members which, i used to do when on the senate finance committee when we used to have conference committees on final passage of legislation. something that doesn't occur anymore one of the big complaints of these former members is that they don't do conference committees really anymore. and that's one of the things -- that's one of the very strong recommendations about what to restore to the process. >> you guys came up with again, thee all had to be unanimous, 22 recommendations inhere. some of these are wonky, the motion to recommit and filibuster -- >> yeah. >> when you look at that list and look at congressional dysfunction, what are you most excited about? what do you think the biggest recommendations in there are? >> i've been asked this and it's really tough. one of the things that's in there is a limitation on fund raising for members. it is saying they cannot have their own leadership pacs anymore, that's really important

because a lot of members of the house of representatives, most of them are spending a minimum of 40 hours a week, steve, just on fund raising and their party leaders are ordering them in effect to do that. and so you know, to say -- so there's that side of it, which means you can never get to having real working members of congress if that's what they are being ordered to do by their leaders. on the other hand, procedurally there are things that are much more dramatic and important to me, especially in the senate. there was a lot of focus on filibuster because i think that's the place where everyone can see there's something seriously wrong. i have been very slow, like many institutionalists in the senate, very slow to come around to the idea that we really do have to reform the filibuster. and i actually changed my mind about it during the discussions. barney frank convinced me that we should get rid of it completely and graduates of the

senate so to speak, one staff member, two senators two leaders of the senate were in there, very protective of the senate's reach history on filibuster because we've always believed that it makes the senate more deliberate tif, that you can't just rush things through the way you could in the house because of various procedural advantages that the majority has in the house that they don't have in the senate. what barney kept saying was that -- we would talk in all sorts of senate procedural terms about the value of the filibuster or some version of the filibuster and barney would simply say, what i'm arguing for is democracy. 51 votes, democracy. and he really -- he wore me down. didn't just wore me down, a very intellectually persuasive case he made. i'm now of the view there's no further justification in the modern united states senate, which is let's remember an anti-democratic institution just by its very structure, the very

fact that south dakota where tom daschle is from, gets two senators and california gets two senators means the people of south dakota are wildly over represented compared to people in california. when you start the day that way in the senate and say, any one of these people can hold this place up in trying to move forward, it becomes -- i get now completely why that is so outrageous to the public. >> that's an interesting dynamic. the house guy convincing the senate guy -- >> that's what it took, steve, not just a house guy, but the smartest guy i've ever known in the house of representatives to make me see it through eyes other than the way you're trained to look at these things in the senate. >> are you -- you have these recommendations and you look at the parl sis in washington now, doesn't seem likely this election is going to shake that loose too much. are you optimistic over the next -- i don't know, half a decade or so that something will change in washington, whether

it's adopting rule changes like this or something will change in the culture of washington that will actually allow government to function when one party doesn't have complete control? >> you know, one of the reasons i'm not a politician -- there are many reasons, i'm not an optimist. any question you ask me, steve, that begins with, are you optimistic about -- i'm afraid -- >> how pessimistic are you, that's the question. >> it isn't the boston irish way, steve. i'll tell you who is, tom daschle is optimistic how the future can turn in congress and trent lott is. and bob livingston is. you know, i think barney frank is, we'll have to ask him and get him on and talk about it. that's what i found in working up close with politicians, one of the big differences is that they are -- they all tend to live on the optimistic side of things. and otherwise they really couldn't hang in there and do it.

it's just too difficult a line of work to go into without optimism to try to get you through the day. >> all right, lawrence o'donnell, host -- >> before you go, rachel is in this magazine too. this is the "esquire" and she actually does a review of the entire magazine. every article in the magazine, including -- she also does a review of the article about penelope cruz being the sexiest woman alive. that is a must read item. rachel's take on penelope cruz being the sexiest woman alive. >> i made the grotton teherald, got that one too. >> still ahead, what if they held an election and nobody came? we're going to dig into that next.

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to the biggest poll of the week wasn't about any particular candidates or any particular key race on any ballot this year. it was about you, it was about us, it was about the voters in this country who have been watching this campaign all year. or who haven't been watching it. it's a new nbc news/wall street journal poll out and shows the closer we get to election day the fewer people seem to care about this election at all. this is not how things normally work. 50% of voters have high interest in this year's midterms and there's a big gap, 59% of republicans have high interest, only 47% of democrats do. a 12-point gap in 35% of independence have high interest in this year's election. think about this. think of how important and exciting and how big every recent election has felt obama

romney and president obama's election in 2008, the backlash against george w. bush in 2006. you have to go back well over a decade, maybe even a generation to find an election like the one we're in the middle of right now. why does it feel this way? what is it going to take to get americans excited about elections again? our panel is back to answer this. we have richard wolffe, executive editor at msnbc.com and former rnc chairman michael steele and msnbc reporter jane tim. i'm thinking of an election. the stakes seemed so high. this year we're talking about not there's no stakes, who controls the senate is significant, but we're not talking about one particular party controlling all of washington, not talking about a presidential race. that's the best explanation i can come up with but i'm feeling what the pole is showing, that

people are not plugged in the way they were two years ago? >> even people who were live long involved in politics, i'm over it, i can't -- exhausted by the back and forth partisanship and shutdown and these things turned people away. i think actually what makes it worse. the most partisan voters do go out and vote and we see what we see in primaries, pulling people in opposite directions because independents lower number on the poll don't even go to the poll. >> that's what the poll is telling me, at least right now in the overall lack of interest, there is an advantage it seems for republicans, we've been hearing this all year, that the nightmare for democrats, their base doesn't show up in a midterm year and you're seeing a 12-point gap with republicans following it more than democrats are. >> yeah, obviously democrats have been preparing for this and there is glimmers of hope i suspect it won't be enough

because the disillusioniment is even stronger among democrats. this point has been reached intentionally, it was the strategy of the republican leadership to put washington in gridlock. they have succeeded. that means people get disaleutianed and serves incumbents and since they were the incumbents in the house and reach over the edge in the senate, it worked really well for them. this isn't by chance. this is intentional. what's worrying for both parties is seeing independents really fall away. that's where the gettable votes are and where you're trying to increase your reach and we're going to go straight into another national election, 2016 race is right after this one, december time we'll see all of those candidates coming in. where's the excitement going to come there. how have you changed the direction of the country when i've been in intentional gridlock for so many years. >> that's what i wondered. what was one of the refrains of

president obama of 2012, if you reelect me we'll break the fever. we had been in this parl sis in 2011 and 2012. we have a tie. 2008 put the democrat in the white house and 2010 gave republicans congress and it seems like people are looking up two years later and saying it didn't change anything. >> i don't really care, i'm going to have a doughnut. i think that's kind of where america is at this point. >> you're in the 59%, no? >> that's unfortunate because that's the attitude that is prevailing right now. a lot of it -- i think you give republicans way too much credit on the planning part. i don't think there's that kind of level of nef air yus undertaking i think they bum bled and stumbled into some of this because when you look at the numbers and break them down from the poll, the one thing that i trigger on, there is no general movement towards the gop either. and so while you do have this

energy for the party with respect to partisans in the party, you hit on it, the 35% independent vote is a reflection of, you know what, i'm just going to sit this one out and 2016 maybe i'll get back in the game. and that largely is because the party has not laid out i think to the other side of your point, what they would do if they get control of the senate, for example. and so without knowing how you're going to govern, do we get another two years of what the last six years have been like? the people aren't interested in that. so again, to your point, frustrated and they step back. >> it feels -- >> that's important, you need to engage folks. >> it feels too, to shake up washington a little bit, you need an election result that genuinely surprises washington, makes them think all of our calculations and rules we need to rethink. 2008 in a way did this but then there was a backlash, you think

back to reagan in 1980, there was a period democrats after reagan got elected got scared because he won 44 of them in 1980 and got some of his agenda through. you look at 2016, can one of the parties, democrats with hillary clinton, can the republicans find somebody or put together a coalition scares. -- sometimes for republican rep. a real chance that the government falls and the question for labor isn't like guess what we're now going to be in charge. they are talking about potential coalition government in great britain next year, why? because the exact same thing we see -- in the united states among partisans there's energy but among the real voters the folks who make the difference as to who gets to govern the

country, you're going to see it. it's going to be interesting once we get through this cycle and we begin the 16th cycle on the wednesday after the november elections. how this plays out in places like europe, which can be a trend line for the u.s. -- >> they are doing elections every five years and that's too much for them apparently. my thanks to former rnc chair michael steele for joining us. richard and jane, we'll see you in a few minutes for up against the clock. it is also by the way up against the clock, no longer the only game show on msnbc. we'll welcome the new kid on the block and tell you about that next. ♪ in life there are things you want to touch and some you just don't. introducing the kohler touchless toilet. ♪

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>> he reports on politics and juggles with fire and knives, neither of which we recommend you try at home, say hello to benji. >> we hear he's the best kid's soccer coach on this side of the pond. it's richard wolffe. and now, the host of "up against the clock", steve kornacki! thank you to everybody joining us -- yeah, joining us at home, welcome to another jam packed thrill packed edition of "up against the clock", the hit game show three brand-new contestants this week. if you've been watching at home, you probably know how it works but let me take you the rules just in case. we play rounds, 100 seconds each, 200 in the second and 300 in the third. they are going to get harder as

we go along. you can ring in at any time but you will be penalized for any incorrect answers. i have several bonus questions scattered in here and we'll explain them if and when we get to them. so each round 100 seconds long. contestants will be playing not just for victory but for a spot in the up against the clock tournament of champions. i will remind you as always, please no outbursts contestants deserve and demand absolute concentration. contestants look ready to me. hands on buzzers, please, we'll start the 100 points round with 100 seconds on the clock. and the game begins with this for 100 points, a mile wide comet is expected to have an incredibly close encounter this week with this fourth planet from the sun. >> mars. >> mars is correct. 100 points for benji. a botched plan to provide every student with an ipad led to the

resignation on thursday of the superintendent of the nation's second largest school district located in what west coast city? we'll call time and it's los angeles. los angeles, california. 100 point toss-up. in an editorial last sunday, "new york times" said it's time to restore diplomatic relations and end -- >> against cuba. >> 100 points for richard. it was announced this week that next year a web only subscription plan will be offered -- jane. >> hbo. >> not only did you get 100 points for answering that question correctly but you have triggered our quote of note video bonus question. here's how it works. this is a risk free proposition, no penalty for guessing, we have a special celebrity guest who will read a famous quote and you need to tell us who said it for an extra 100 points. if you'll direct your attention

to the video monitor. here's alan cummings. >> this is the quote of note. what famous american writer once said, suppose you already did and are a member of congress, but i repeat myself? >> jane, you have a look on your face -- >> no penalty for guessing here. >> mark twain. >> it was mark twain, 100 extra points. 100 points for jane and we put the clock back in motion and goe with this, during a meeting with black clergy in south carolina on tuesday -- >> richard? >> rand paul. >> incorrect. vice president joe biden referred to himself as quote the only white boy on the east side of this delaware city. >> wilmington. >> wilmington, maybe the only delaware city. maybe the only delaware city. toss-up here, president obama is set to campaign with anthony

brown, whose favored to become the first african-american governor of this mid-atlantic state. >> maryland. >> maryland. >> promoting healthy eating, michelle obama released a six second vine video this week that spoofs -- >> turn doin for what. >> incorrect. spoof the popular song turn down for what -- >> turnip. >> 100 points for richard. big swing there. benji has the lead for 300 and richard and jane tied. we'll raise the stakes, twice as valuable. 200 points questions and you can tight for the lead with one correct answer. we put 100 seconds on the clock and begin the 200-point round with this. it was revealed this week that this national sandwich chain makes its hourly workers sign noncompete agreements for two years upon employment.

we'll call time, it's jimmy johns. 200 point toss-up. on thursday the u.s. commission on fine arts approved frank gearry's design for a memorial to honor this former u.s. president. hey stakes there, we'll call time, it's dwight d. eisenhower. 200 point toss-up. an air force boeing 757 was grounded in vienna for mechanical problems temporarily stranding this number one diplomat. >> john kerry, secretary of state. >> 200 points for benji. >> a surprise witness this week at the trial of the friend of the akugsccused boston marathon bomber. >> dukakis. >> that's correct. richard, not only do you get 200 points for knowing that michael dukakis but you have triggered

the lose it or use it proposition. to double what you just won, i have here a question that is somehow related to the one you just answered. if you want to use it, it's 200 points if you get it correct. 200 points off if you get it wrong. i have it, do you want to use it or lose? >> this could be devastating. i'm going to use it. >> he's feeling lucky. >> 200 additional points, richard, when dukakis declined to seek a fourth term in 1980, he was succeeded by this moderate republican. >> i know him, i can see him. -- >> we'll need an answer, richard. >> don't do it to me. >> it was william weld. he took a chance. these are valuable questions, 200 points here. making the third appearance on

the cover, rand paul is featured -- >> jane? >> "time." >> she was paying attention earlier. this top virginia democrat this week said he was quote, disappointed that eric cant toxt was defeated earlier this year? >> was it mark warner? >> it was not mark werner. it was terry mcauliffe, the governor. the "new york times" reported the death of david green glass who testified against his own sister in the death penalty he is pea onnage trial of this couple -- >> the rosenbergs. >> correct, 200 points for benji at the wire. benji still in the lead with 500. jane right him at 300. richard still very much in it with 100 points. anything can happen as we move to the 300 points round. the ph.d. level, we dim the lights for dramatic effect. this is where we will crown a champion. 100 seconds on the clock, 300

point questions, the hardest ones we have. we start with this. wisconsin governor scott walker came under attack this week after he told an editorial board that he doesn't think this longstanding labor statute quote, serves a purpose. >> richard? >> minimum wage. 300 points. in second place. reports filed with the irs by the republican governor's office earlier this week listed among its biggest donations a 2$2.5 million contribution from the founder of this drink commonly found at checkout counters and served in a miniature bottle? >> 5-hour energy. >> 300 points for benji. >> cory gardner lied about playing high school football was debunked within minutes of being published by this -- >> dead spin. >> correct. 300 point toss-up. john warner cut a tv ad endorsing democratic senator mark warner who challenged him

for his seat in the same year in this the same year that clinton sought re-election as president? >> richard? >> '96. >> correct. democratic elected official a, quote, typical, corrupt new york politician in a new fund raising letter for his republican opponent. richard? >> andrew cuomo. >> andrew cuomo is correct. by sweeping the baltimore orioles, the kansas city royals advance to the first series since 1985. jane? >> oh, shoot. >> i70 series. >> since 1985 when who was vice president? this is for the game. >> george h. w. bush. >> george h. w. bush is correct. a nail biter at the end there. congratulations and bill is going to tell you what you've won. >> as our champion, your name will be engraved using the

finest sharpie ink. you'll also receive a dvd copy of the classic 1988 film cocoon 2, the return. personally autographed. and you'll get to play in our jack pot round for today's grand prize. a $50 gift certificate to quick meal food. operated by a former chef of the russian tearoom. i had it for lunch today. delicious. enjoy the meal and congratulations. back to you, steve. >> all right, benji. holding off richard wolf at the wire there. congratulations. there's your cup. don't drink from it. it's highly toxic. here's your jack pot bonus question for the street meat gift certificate. what everybody dreams of. before switching to the democratic party to run for governor of florida this year, charlie crist was previously defeated in two statewide elections in florida. in 2010 against marco rubio for the senate. in 1998 against this democratic

senator. was it bill nelson? >> incorrect. it was bob graham. the street meat certificate is safe for another week. congratulations. you get the cup. maybe a chance to play in the tournament of champions. you are eligible now. richard and jane, thank you for playing. you both receive the home edition. a lot of fun for everybody at home. thank you for playing. we'll be right back with the rest of the show right after this. (receptionist) gunderman group.

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so u i'm trying to think what to look guard to in the week ahead here. we'll still have the show tomorrow. one thing interesting today is the idea of travel ban. >> i think it is inevitable right now. but democrats and republicans have a clear difference. republicans want to close the doors. they have to invest in medical and infrastructure in parts of the world they think we don't care about. that's where the democrats have to take it. >> that's what we're looking for this week. i want to thank you. appreciate you all getting up this morning. thank you for joining us for "up." play the online edition. go to facebook and join us tomorrow morning at 8:00 when we will have an exclusive interview with gary trudeau. you cannot only read his sunday script, you can hear his thoughts on the upcoming election as well as his new life in hollywood. also joining us, james risen of "the new york times" who is still fighting the obama

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