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i'll talk to a retired general about what is being done to protect them. and the first public account, officer darrin wilson gives specific details of shots fired when and where in "the new york times." and the big impact on voters in texas, i'll talk to a former texas senator about what this means for her state. plus, a new app saying it can help to reduce sexual assault in college campuses. but app says no to it. that app is today's big idea. good afternoon to you, i'm richard louie. we start with three fronts on the ebola virus, the agency will work on its protocol handling ebola patients. meanwhile, president obama is sending three officials to coordinate responses. this is separate from the s.w.a.t. team on the ground today. and today, new questions and details on two infected nursing. nina pham is feeling tired but

resting comfortably, while with amber vincent there was new evidence on how sick she was when she boarded the plane to texas. meanwhile, a cruise ship is on its way back to texas. on board there is a health care worker who handled a lab specimen from the first patient, thomas eric duncan. considered low risk, she is on her way home right now. kristen welker is there in dallas, and the dean of tropical medicines at baylor college, also with us. kristen, starting with us, the white house team, how is it different and complementary to the cdc s.w.a.t. team when we look at the two of them? >> well, first of all the point person on all of this is going to be ron klain. the veteran here in washington who served as former chief of staff to vice president joe biden, he has a background in

law and business. he knows the way government works and that is why president obama picked him to really head up the effort. the white house says we should really think of him in terms of a bridge, a bridge between all the different agencies that need to coordinate and be on the same page to do a better job of not only reassuring the public but making sure that accurate information is getting out to hospitals all across the country and to people all across the country so that they have the correct information to prevent against any further spread of ebola here in the united states. there is also going to be a team on the ground in texas, richard, that includes adrian saenz, who ser serves as the house liaison, and the coordinator for the response, finally the fema officer, kevin haynes who will serve as the counterpart.

so there will be a team there in dallas working with the white house, working with ron klain making sure they're getting all the help and assistance they need. president obama acknowledging that the federal government needed to do a better job of responding to this crisis, political pressures here as well, richard, with the mid-term elections just a few weeks away. democrats were concerned that the criticism that president obama was getting could further hurt their chances to hold onto the senate. as you know they are locked in a tough fight right now to try to do exactly that. so i anticipate that the response is going to look a lot different in this coming week. at least to hat is the hope her at the white house. >> kristen, the ebola response claim, we're in it a couple of days so far. any issue on terms of when he starts, that sort of detail? >> reporter: right, we know that president obama reached out to him, made that official ask on friday that he be the point

person. he is expected to begin his work on monday. we know that mr. saenz will be on the ground as early as tomorrow in dallas. so i think that the orders here from the white house is that this work is expected to begin immediately. i would not be surprised if conversations, meetings and phone calls are going on behind scenes right now as they gear up for next week. as you know, this past week, richard, was a disaster in terms of the headlines. every day there was other disturbing headlines. so the idea is to not only prevent against that but to make sure that the mistakes we saw that happened in dallas don't get repeated. so ron klain expected to hit the ground running, at least that is the charge here from president obama. >> and the calls coming from the republicans just a week ago when we talked about it last weekend. kristen welker following that story for us. we'll be back again in about an hour, thank you so much there at the white house. and here in dallas, sarah, what you're watching at the moment, hospital official there is are

talking about the health care worker on board the cruise ship. what do we know about the latest in terms of that individual? >> reporter: well, richard, we know that this lab worker was actually a lab supervisor who went on this cruise with her partner. she has shown no signs, no symptoms of ebola and she is nearing the end of that 21-day monitoring period. still, she has been voluntarily isolated along with her partner in her cabin, cruise workers will sanitize the ship. they were denied access to mexico, had to skip that stop, it was a regularly scheduled stop. on their way back, they're expected in the u.s. tomorrow morning. some passengers tweeted out their frustrations and take on the situation, one saying no updates about the situation. they keep giving us free booze and turning up the music. the same passenger expressing concern they may be quarantined

when they reach here. it is important to note however, the individual is not showing any signs and symptoms. the cdc reiterating that only a person with active symptoms can affect others with ebola right now. as for the cdc guidelines you mentioned a little earlier, here is what we can expect for them. it is in regard to the personal protective equipment that health care workers wear when treating suspected or confirmed cases of ebola. the cdc will urge workers to cover all skin using alcohol-based sanitizer on the outside of their protective gloves. they want them to begin setting up a dressing room outside the medical care area. and they want to implement a buddy system. two people at a time to watch each other and help each other out, look for problems they may not see, or just that supportive care. the cdc says the key to all of this of course is practice, practice, practice, they want them to run through drills and procedures long before an ebola

patient shows up. it is somewhat routine, not unknown, they take away the element of the unknown from it, richard. >> sarah, you're mentioning the new cdc guidelines, now, doctor, looking at that list that came from bloomberg that sarah has then described to us. when i look at that list, just quickly, you heard it. cover all skin, alcohol-based cleaner, some of those don't seem so new, what is your thought on these new cdc guidelines that they're calling them? >> well, i think the guidelines are fine. it kind of misses the point. we're seeing the situation evolving where any hospital in the united states should be able to anticipate the possibilities that an ebola patient could walk into the emergency room.

that individual would have to be immediately isolated. where i differ from others, i think that it is clear to extremely manage the ebola patient in the icu. this virus has the remarkable ability to replicate. so that in the end stages of the disease the person is actually filled with the virus, there are billions and billions of the particles. those kind of patients in the advanced icu setting can only be taken care of in specialized facilities that have biocontainment and nurses who are trained every day on a weekly basis on how to do this ppe, again, the virus is very different in the early versus the latest stages. >> what you're saying here, go with the isolation centers across the country, don't try to enable all the hospitals across the country through the guidelines, in essence, you're

not agreeing with the process so far? >> well, i agree with some of it. right now we're talking about one ebola patient, i hope there will be no other ebola patients, maybe one or two. if we get ten ebola patients or 20 or 30, we may be forced to have community hospitals learn this kind of thing. but right now we're not and i think that is going to be very important to think about getting the patients out of the community hospitals in the specialized four or five treatment facilities. and then we announced in texas this week we'll add a fifth one. >> so dr., you're really talking about all the logistics around, trying to coordinate all the different hospitals. you mentioned the addition in dallas, so let's go to dallas where sarah is at. the headline i read in the dallas morning news as they try to put together all the details that the doctor is mentioning here. it says new ebola czar lacks

medical background, the critics say. what is your reaction to that in dallas? do they feel like this new coordinator will help to bring confidence and coordination to the problem? >> reporter: well, they're hopeful. the hospital has not responded to it directly. but they're hopeful in the community, not only that this ebola communicator will be able to organize. they're already advising another hospital here, they themselves have received advice from emory university hospital. so it is a matter of seeing what mistakes or what things can be improved upon here, and the inevitable, it is important to note here that one of the problems that they have identified is that the nurses in some cases, or the health care workers were actually being too cautious. they were wearing too many layers of gloves out of concern, that was actually making them more vulnerable when it came to the removal process. and there is a lot of

opportunities for mistake in the removal process anyway, let alone when you add extra layers to that process. >> and speaking to the nurses, when we look again at nina pham and her issue, she was getting blood transfusions, we understand. do these work? do you expect the survivors to have a better opportunity to survive this infection? >> so while there is still very little virus in the person at the early stages of the illness, like nina pham catching this very early on it is possible to intervene. we have limited options, however, one of them is to give antibodies, for a person to survive their illness, what we describe as passing passively antibody, you don't need the whole blood or the red cells, you only need the serum, that

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the times also reported and based on the government's brief on the civil rights matter. and now there are answers about what happened outside the car. earlier today, there was reaction to the story. take a listen. >> darren wilson said he was in fear for his life. the only gun there was darren wilson. >> let's bring in our legal analyst, also the author of suspicion nation. you have been watching this case here, lisa, we have talked many times about this. here is the introduction here, front page offering very little detail. but the little detail today is a lot of detail. >> right, i've read the article very carefully. disturbing to me on a lot of levels, number one, it is the lack of transparency, the report digging around getting a piece of the story that darren wilson has to tell about how he shot an unarmed teenager on the streets

of america, there was no report about what happened. we have never heard from darren wilson or even an attorney about what his story is, and now the bits and pieces of the story favorable to darren wilson. >> so what was it in the case that would allow him to if you will, not divulge the information. we have the grand jury that is still going on. this is all underlying how little is known and how slow this is. >> right, the prosecutor's choice to go by way of the secret grand jury means we don't know what is going on behind closed doors. there was another choice, to review the evidence himself. charge darren wilson and then make the hearing public. >> it says mr. brown reached for the gun, it was fired twice. according to the test by the fbi report, the first bullet struck him around the arm, the second bullet missed. they also mentioned blood on the gun as well as blood on the interior panel of that of mr.

brown. what he surmised -- >> there was a fight at the car, of course mike brown is not here to tells story. did the prosecutor just let darren wilson talk or did he really go after him and let him confront all the details? we don't know all of that. what we're not hearing yet, from darren wilson, which was afterwards, if i can read you a story from one of the attorneys for the mike brown family. he said darren wilson simply acted criminally to an unarmed mike brown jr. when pumping the bullets into his wounded body. now we know from this report today that darren wilson says he did wound mike brown at the car. that is very important, now he is wounded on the arm. we know from the autopsy there are four wounds on mike brown's arm. some of the wounds could have

been shot from up front or behind with his arms up. the most important part, richard is the fatal shot, the fatal shot when six witnesses say he had his hands up in the air. five of the witnesses who didn't know either men in the case. we still don't have an explanation of that. >> now, what is reported, two shots that were fatal to him, it has been reported so far to his head at the moment. you also were there talking about brown, his family. you just came back from ferguson. >> yes, i was in st. louis, and doing an event. i brought my book on anthony gray, the attorney -- >> what did you find out? >> i'll tell you what thing i learned. they said don't believe the media reports, the differences in the generations. we are here and united and persistent and will not give up. most of the community don't think charges will be filed against darren wilson. i myself think that is probably unlikely. it could happen, unlikely, of course charges are only the

beginning. after that we have to get prosecutors with fire in the belly who will really go after this in court. which we didn't see in the george zimmerman case. some people say to me i know it is a long struggle, we may not see the changes in our lifetime, we're in it and we're not giving up. >> for you, you've done a lot of these cases, one in 700, how rare is these set of cases legally. >> i actually do these from my office in los angeles and new york. the criminal side, it is very hard to prosecute a police officer for a lot of reasons. people tend to believe the police officer, for a lot of reasons, the victim is dead, they can't tell their story. listen, it is impossible to overstate the tactical advantage that darren wilson has given himself by not giving a statement at the scene. he was able to look at all the evidence before he testified. >> and that is rare. thank you for stopping by, legal analyst, author of suspicious

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up to 4,000 u.s. troops could be soon on the ground in west africa to help stop the spread of ebola, right now, troops are there building units for ebola patients. president obama urged a call-up for reserves. reading it is necessary to augment the armed forces of the united states to provide the humanitarian-led assistance and the management of the outbreak in west africa. let's bring in general mccaffrey, general always great to see you. how is this military prepared for the mission right now? >> well, a lot of it of course

falls into the traditional capability of the u.s. armed forces. navy, cb, battalions, the commanding control will come out of the first airborne division headquarters. the u.s. is flying assets to monrovia. the marines are on the ground, so in some sense it is the logistical operations, command control on the ground. the problem is we'll have 4,000 troops going in with a 750 million dollar operation of money diverted from other accounts. it will be a very challenging mission for the armed forces. >> and some dollars as you mentioned. the defense here, relatively low for the troops of contracting ebola while they're on the ground assisting for what i just described. from what you know, how will the military ensure they are safe from contracting ebola? >> well, there is going in training module, with the

instructions before they deploy. there are disciplined formations, they will make every effort to keep them safe. in theory they will not be directly providing health care. i don't think in the end that will work out. the 500 some odd troops are already on the ground in commercial hotels living with third country nationals. so i think there is a risk of ebola obviously that they're prepared to sustain and deal with if it happens. >> you know, i just had on the screen a second ago, you may have seen it. i'll list it again, by mid-november, the goal by africa command they want 17 testing labs, 17 testing units and treatment facilities as well. when you have been involved in objectives like this how are these admissions carri -- missi carried out to be successful here? >> the four-star general is running the whole operation, a joint commander, he has a

two-star general, darrell williams on the ground. they will bring in the division headquarters that normally conducts combat operations. but they're very flexible so they can command and control almost anything. the key will be to what extent can the world resource the health care providers. i'm sort of skeptical to be honest, that even the public health system here in the united states, which is very much under-structured and supported can do that. so i think increasingly you may see significant mission creep of the u.s. armed forces that will have to take on this job. >> among many of the titles that you have held, you also served as director of the office of national drug control policy also known as -- and you have heard it many times here, drug czar. that was during the bill clinton administration. but what do you make of the appointment of ron klain as we talked about at the top of the

hour with the ebola crisis? >> well, he is a very impressive guy, i am sure he can do nothing but good. you know, i had 250 people on staff with a federal outline with my job giving me authority and accountability, where as ron klain will gather at the white house and a part-time secretary. so there will be a big difference. i am disappointed that the country can't seem to organize civilian agencies adequate to take on these new tasks. they have to turn to the department of defense and u.s. armed forces who are eminently qualified to do a lot of it, deliver the mail, take care of hurricanes, immigration. but we ought to have a public health system, a surgeon general, the health and human services secretary who can handle major muscle movements of this kind. >> should it be under dhs? >> no, of course not. it ought to be a medical thing. ought to be driven by health and human services and the national institute of health and the

surgeon general. and all of these are anemic formations, they're pretty good at research and formation. they're brilliant, caring people. but as we just heard of how many the dozen beds that are available in the entire united states to care for high-risk patients. we just don't have the right magnitude of resources. so now we turn to an armed forces that is starting to come apart because of economic under-funding, se sequestration, and we give them another task. >> as you mentioned there is a new surgeon general and nominee which has not been heard from, from the senate for confirmation. we're waiting to hear from that. general barry mccaffrey. and the journalist killed by isis militants in august, they came together to remember his life. a memorial service was held in

rochester, new york today. today is his 41st birthday. meanwhile, new numbers from the military. 15 u.s.-led strikes in iraq, two near the town of kobani. the u.s.-led coalition in the past several days they're trying to reverse the advances by isis. kelly, by some reports the airstrikes said to be now working. and this after weeks, and you were certainly aware of that headline that were they working at all? what do you know? >> reporter: well, it appears that they are having some effect in kobani, richard, there are reports of isis pulling back from the town leaving hundreds killed and heavy weapons and supply lines in kobani, as well. the kurds have reportedly taken back the city and the momentum with the help of the airstrikes. but it should be noted that the militants should be shelling the

middle of town today as well as the border with turkey. and the head of central command, general lloyd austin warned yesterday that it is highly possible that kobani still could fall. so this battle certainly is not over, richard. >> you know, kelly, the observatory for human rights put out a report saying that three war planes are under the control of isis and the pilots are being trained by saddam hussein's former pilots. the colonel talked about the longevity, let's listen. >> they're not going to last long without parts and the technology to keep them flying. it is extremely difficult to do that especially with aircraft this old. they need lots and lots of air parts that will have to be changed continuously. and isis has the operational capability perhaps, but not the maintenance capability. >> so if allied attacks seem to

work, what does it say about the other elements? >> well, we should keep in mind where this report came from. first of all islamic state supporters put out a nine-second clip of a fighter jet claiming it was being flown by is militants. we have no way of verifying that, or the report from the syrian human rights, the troops putting out a lot of information from activists on the ground, anti-government advictivists one ground near aleppo. so richard it is very tough to learn whether or not any of this is true. i'm sure that the central command is keeping ahead of that. it was 46 years ago, october 18, 1968 the u.s. olympic committee suspended two

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to tackle it. that app is our big idea. the good to go app launched with the gold getting electronic consent to have sex. but earlier this month app pulled it saying it violated their guidelines saying quote, the app was removed for 6.1 development of their guidelines, that raises the question of objectionable content, or crude content. thank you for joining us, as we look at this let's get through how it works. so one person, they have the app on their smartphone, and give it to the other person to get their consent, basically an electronic consent. that screen, it says no, thanks, yes, we're good to talk, or i'm good to go. and then, it says i am sober or pretty wasted and then you hit the okay button. is that pretty much how it works? >> yes, that is how it works, we

wanted to make it pretty simple, because if it were complicated kids would not use it. but we felt that it was important they still have time to take that pause, to talk to each other. to talk it out, make sure that their intentions were aligned. and we wanted to reduce miscommunication. and sexual assaults and regretted behaviors. so that was the idea behind it. >> okay, let's say there was a question after two individuals have sex. they do have this good to go app. how is that then used in the discussions that may happen after? >> well, we know that it is used to start the discussion. and then it is just the very simple process of using the app. and then that is it. the affirmative consent is given for just that one moment in time. just that the two people were talking to each other and they knew exactly what the other one had in mind.

>> so you're alluding to -- there was one approach that said no is no. that was a common theme. and now, california pushing this idea that you know, it has to be yes, is yes. the affirmative that you're alluding to in the statement just now. talk about why, given that approach, why app is against what you're doing and how you're going to change your app to address their concerns. >> right, so the data capture was problematic according to app. because even though affirmative consent is only given for that one moment in time they felt that there was a distinction between a verbal consent and a consent that would be through this app. and they felt that it would be possible that young women, if they were assaulted, would be more hesitant in coming forward. but -- that is not known to be true. >> right. >> affirmative consent can be verbal or written in the form of text messages. and this was just another way

that we thought that communication could be clear. >> right, and i think i can show that on the screen right now very quickly, what you're alluding to right now, the individuals giving consent have to put in their phone number as well as confirm they're 18 or above. and i think that was one of the concerns there, that that information would be in the digital cloud about who you decided or were considering to have sex with. and i believe that was one of the concerns, right? >> right, even though that information was private it would not be available to either the user or to the person that put that information in. and it would be under a secure server. but as we know privacy issues are, you know, it is an issue these dayings. and people are wary about giving any kind of personal information. so we've taken that feedback in. we're redeveloping the app and retooling it. and we want to make it into an educational app.

and just keep the discussion going. because what has really been interesting to me is that this discussion has gone viral all over the world. and what started in my kitchen with my children and their friends is now being all over the world. so we want to keep the discussion going through a form on our website. and then hopefully there is some good ideas that can come out of it. and we can use that technology to put it back in the hands of the kids. because as we know their technology is always at hand. so we're trying to think of a way -- >> next week, or when will it come out again? a month or what is the date? >> longer than that, i think. we're going to take our time and get feedback from a lot of different constituents. and we're looking at maybe sometime in the spring that we can come back out, and hopefully it is an app that kids can take to and they will use and help them communicate with each

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all texans to vote? >> well, i think what it does is assure that the voters are qualified to vote in texas. i think that is what many states are trying to do. i don't think it is a discrimination. i think it is just trying to assure the integrity of the election. >> well, the center for justice said the recurring claims of voter fraud, and that is the idea that many of those who are for it, was that it simply does not pan out when it comes to in-person fraud. which is supposedly here, senator, what those who are supporting it want to happen. so how would you react to that? >> well, i think that what has happened since the law has been in place is that there has been no difference, really, in the turnout in places that these people are saying might be suppressed. and that has not happened. it has been in place for two election cycles. and i think the effort to ensure

integrity of the elections should be something that every american wants. you want voters who are qualified, who are living in the area, to be the ones that are able to decide key issues of an electorate. >> to you, governor strictland, the supreme court approved voter days, which you're familiar with. when we look at what happens with regard to texas, some might say that, and it has been said that indiana, when you look at that press didn't it describes the ruling as neutral, non-discriminatory regulation of voter approval. is that what this is? >> richard, the republican jurists, appointed by ronald reagan, who really initially fought for the approval of the indiana regulation, has since said that there is no

established fraud. that these are blatant attempts to keep qualified citizens from casting their vote. and in texas, voting starts in a few hours, and the fact is that over half a million people in texas will be deprived of their right to cast their vote. and for those who talk about fraud they should come forth and demonstrate that fraud exists. the fact is that this is a planful effort to keep legitimate american citizens who are registered voters, from voting. and when you talk about a half a million people not being able to cast their vote it is an un-american act. now, that is a tough charge, richard, but when you plan and scheme to keep legitimate citizens from being able to cast their vote that is an unamerican act. it is against everything that

this country stands for. and we're seeing it, richard, across this country in states that are dominated by republican governors with republican legislators. we're seeing these efforts and it is being done to stop a fraud that really doesn't exist and is not documented. it's shameful. >> just ginsburg was using the number 600,000, which is equal to half of those who may vote in texas. senator hutchison, we're just days away from where they begin to vote in texas. is this practical? now they have to implement a new set of procedures and how might that happen? >> well, i think the supreme court said it would not be practical to not allow the law to stand right now, because on monday at 7:00 a.m., early voting starts. we have a very open system in texas. we have early voting starting monday that goes right up until

the weekend before the election. and we do everything to allow the most people to vote. what i think our legislature said is we want to make sure that people are actual citizens and qualified to vote. and so they gave seven different types of photo id's that would qualify. and i think if somebody is serious about wanting to vote that it would be very easy and something that -- to assure the integrity of our elections could be done. one of seven different types of photo id's are acceptable. >> well, the argument is the distance that those will have to travel as well, the cost associated with getting one of those acceptable id's. thank you so much. i appreciate your time. former texas senator kay bailey hutchison as well as former governor ted strickland, i owe you on this one.

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thank you for joining us, i'm richard lui. and today, the agency will overhaul the protocol for health care workers handling ebola patients. a cruise ship carrying more than 2,000 passengers scheduled to dock sunday in galveston, texas, one of the passengers is a dallas health care worker who handled a lab specimen from thomas duncan, the first person to die from ebola in the u.s. the worker is considered low risk and is in isolation on that ship. and now, an update on nina pham in maryland and amber vinson in georgia. meanwhile, president obama is sending three officials to dallas to coordinate response. this team is separate from a cdc s.w.a.t. team on the ground there already. we're covering it from several areas, and where nurse amber vinson is being treated, kristen welker starts us off at the white house. kristen, what do we understand?

>> reporter: well, richard this team is more of a management response team. the team in dallas will be led by adrian saenz who is president obama's deputy director of intergovernmental affairs. there will be two more people working with him. president obama appointed a point person on what some call an ebola czar, ron klain, who is no stranger to the way that washington works. he served as chief of staff to vice president joe biden, and former vice president al gore. he has a good relationship with members on capitol hill and also has a background in law and business. the idea is that he will serve as a type of bridge between all of these different agencies to make sure that they are communicating. to make sure that they're on the same page and to make sure that information is getting out to hospitals all across the country and to the american people. now president obama felt pressure to appoint a point person because there was so much fear about ebola, so much

misinformation. and also political pressure. a lot of democratic sources telling me that they wanted this white house to have a front man in all of this. in part, because the criticism that president obama has been getting. they are concerned it could ultimately hurt their chances to hold onto the senate. as you know, richard, the democrats are locked in a tough battle to hold onto the senate just a couple of weeks away now. a lot of pressure on president obama to really turn the tide on this and make it appear as if his administration has a grip on what has been a lot of fast-moving developments and a lot of negative headlines in the past few days. >> so as you told us, kristen, just named on friday, this ebola response coordinator claimed himself as general mccaffrey told us just moments ago, the number of staff and powers he might have with the coordination and the several different agencies he will work with. it is early, do we know how that will work out for him? >> all of that is still coming

together. we know the white house wants him to hit the ground running. i anticipate if he does not start on monday it will be soon there after. the goal is to get this moving as quickly as possible. we know that he is going to be having meetings, phone calls and again, he will be in close contact with the team on the ground in dallas to make sure that the mistakes that were made are not repeated. and again, one of the main charges that he will have is really calming the public's fear. now, one of the concerns on the part of democrats is he is not going to be out in the public on this. we anticipate he will be more behind the scenes. and the question is will the white house be able to have a unified message coming out of this administration. one of the criticisms last week is that we heard from a lot of different people from within the administration. and there is a desire on the part of democrats to have one voice speaking on this from the administration. so that will be a question going forward as well. richard, a lot of moving parts and a lot of those questions will be answered in the next few

days, richard? >> well, we got the latest from this, thank you. thank you. let's go to sarah dallof in section, we have new numbers from the cdc? >> reporter: well, we have the new numbers showing the scope of the situation right now. let's start with the three confirmed cases of ebola. we have known about those, obviously, 11 direct contacts coming from that. 148 possible contacts. now here is the good news you were speaking about, richard, we have 14 people who have completed the surveillance. that is that 21-day monitoring period. so 14 people who may have potentially had contact with a confirmed ebola case have gone through that 21-day waiting period and have developed no signs or symptoms of the illness right now. we expect in the coming days there to be additional people added to the list of people cleared through that 21-day

window. as for the cdc guidelines those are in regard of the personal protective gear that health care workers wear. here is what we expect to see with the cdc. they are going to urge workers to cover all of their skin using an alcohol-based sanitizer on their protective gloves. they would like to see the medical facilities set up dressing rooms outside the immediate isolation unit, the care areas, to later disrobe. they're also asking they implement a buddy system, sending people in pairs so that they can keep an eye on one another. richard, the key to this being successful is practice, practice, practice, not just verbal instructions. not just posted placards, but actually going through the motions so if and when an ebola patient does arrive this becomes somewhat of a routine, unfamiliar gowning up with protective gear. >> right, and some of the guidelines have been discussed as you reported quite

extensively over the last several weeks. chris to you there in atlanta can you give us the latest on the condition of the nurse in atlanta, amber vinson. >> reporter: richard, frankly. no. amber vinson has structurinstru emory university hospital not to release any information about her condition. so since she has been here since she arrived we really don't know how her treatment is going in this matter. she calls the shots. remember the other day her family issued a statement when she was moved saying they thanked everybody for support and prayers and asked for privacy at that time. they're continuing the privacy request here. so everything we have gotten from emory university is that she is here but there is no condition released. >> chris, since we were just getting an update on cdc numbers there from sarah, for you, there, as you look at the chain of transmission those contacts that they might be concerned about, tell us about her

contacts in ohio, in the midwest. and what they're looking at in terms of who might be of concern at this moment and how it changed over the last couple of days. >> reporter: right, you will remember she traveled from cleveland, ohio, from dallas, she spent the weekend where she apparently planned her wedding and returned to dallas on monday, she had a fever before she got on the flight and then she went to the hospital. and that set the chain of her being treated. the governor of ohio said today that they believed there were about 29 people that she came in close contact with, family and friends who were being monitored. and at this point there is just one person in quarantine. that is said to be her stepfather. there were also 80 people to be identified on either flight she was on to cleveland, and who were possibly on the flights that that plane took. 87 people being monitored at this point. but the governor stresses that

nobody is showing signs of ebola at this point. >> which is a large increase from the initial number that they were putting out. sarah, from what you're hearing, let's talk about that individ l individual. the health care worker that is on board the cruise ship. >> reporter: yeah, that health care worker on the cruise ship is in voluntary isolation. the mexican authorities refused to grant the ship for permission to stop there. it is on its way back to the u.s. and will arrive tomorrow morning. passengers have been tweeting from this ship's one saying i just hope we can go home and not into quarantine. well, good news, carnival says that passengers will not be screened in any way when they disembark from the ship. there will be no special procedure for them. they can go home. very important to mention the health care worker has shown no signs or symptoms of ebola. and the cdc really wants to push the fact that only the person

who is actively symptomatic can infect another person. this person also ending her 21-day quarantine. >> and the talk was in every place of eating, they were talking about ebola with the mention now of the ebola response coordinator. how is that buzz now translated on the ground? those that are just living in dallas and for that matter those who are working in the hospital and the other officials in the space. >> reporter: the hospital remained pretty quiet about their reaction to the appointment of this ebola czar. but here in the community there is optimism that things will be organized that other cities if and when they receive an ebola patient will be better prepared because of the organization put in place by the protocols. they also talked about the learning from the experience and the mistakes they have admitted

to making. they do talk about that they have communicated with at least one other hospital and they have received advice from another hospital, as well. emory university contacted them to give them advice on treatment and procedures and things like that. but mostly, optimism here on the ground. still, like you said, a huge talking point here especially on the plane ride down here. and the airport is where you hear it quite a bit. people you know, kind of uneasy jokes, not to be funny but more to express kind of how uncomfortable they are with the situation and the unknown right now. >> nbc sarah dallof with the good news coming out right now, the patients outside of isolation. that is good to hear, chris pallone also, thank you both for your reporting today. the cdc revising the guidelines on how medical workers can protect themselves from ebola, but is it too late? a new decision from the supreme court will have an impact on the election day in texas.

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. state of texas has been given the okay to enforce its controversial voter id law and will do so as early as monday, when early voting begins on monday in that state. this morning, the supreme court ruled at 5:00 a.m. that the state's voter id law did not disenfranchise the voters. the supporters say it will cut down own voter fraud. but in a blistering dissent, justice ginburg said that they can't be turned away for lack of id. and joining me now, one of the lawyers who argued that very

case. we should let you and the voters know we reached out to the texas secretary of state, on the other side of the aisle but didn't get a response back. thank you for joining us this hour. and as we look at this, bartendetabernnatasha, i want to get your general idea on this ruling. >> it was not a happy way to start a saturday morning, admittedly, but the important thing to remember that the supreme court ruling affects is voting for this election cycle. that is to say the court has not yet made a decision on the merits. the court has not considered whether the district court's opinion is wrong. instead we're just saying that the id law is in force for this upcoming election. >> we use the word "ruling," but they really did just say we're not going the make a comment on it. is that what was said? >> that is exactly right. the voter id law which has been enforced for a number of law

will be in effect this november. the basis is to not cause voter confusion. and ultimately, they will consider the merits of this case. they have not yet lost in the long run, we're confident we'll be able to defend our way in the end. >> i'll use the words from our justice correspondent pete williams who said this action was a profound legal setback for civil rights groups and the obama administration. >> well, indeed it is a profound setback. you have a federal court judgment which has not been undone yet, that the law was implemented under color of racial discrimination, intentional discrimination. it is a watershed moment that the supreme court is allowing at least some elections to go forth under a law that the federal court has held intentionally. >> those who woke up this morning, hearing the news from us, they have not been following it necessarily, what does it mean for this year's post-election and what is the next step for the naacp which is

part of this case? >> well, the next step is to focus on the merits of the case, which no appellate court has yet considered. so the next step is ultimately to defend the court's decision, again at the fifth circuit and perhaps in the supreme court. right now the court's ruling is very limited and only affects the november elections. >> well, let's ask you specifically, when this came out, right, this order came out this morning what was the emotion that you reacted with when you heard about it. you probably found out about it on twitter. >> it was shocking and disappointing. it is shocking that the court would let an intentionally discriminatory law color the elections for these upcoming november elections. but that is the court's order that we have and what we have to focus on now is defend the election for elections going forward. this is a very limited ruling, and only affects the upcoming election. it does not mean that texas has won on sb 14.

>> and we talked to kay bailey hutchison, the former senator from texas. we asked her about this very order that came down from the supreme court. we asked her if it increased the ability for all to vote and allowed all to vote. she said it does and she also said it is the process of reducing fraud in elections. >> there is a lot of talk from the other side about fraud in elections. but the fact remains that at the trial that we had for three weeks in september, not one instance of in-person voter fraud was shown to have existed in the past 14 years. so i think that is just a pretense under which this law was passed. >> now, we just heard from attorney general eric holder. he just said this is a major setback, backwards, in fact is what he said. >> it is, that is a true point. but this is only a setback for the upcoming elections. >> so you're hopeful, you remain hopeful? >> i remain hopeful, a finding

from a federal court of intentional discrimination, to finding that this law was an unconstitutionaloll tax is enormous and remarkable. those findings have not yet been undone. what we've heard is that the photo id law will unfortunately be in effect for this november, for the elections. >> thank you for coming by. >> i'm happy to be here. all right, "the new york times" reports today that darren wilson, the police officer who shot unarmed michael brown, said he was in fear for his life. he said he and brown struggled over the gun in the car, brown was struck once. the times reports that the officer's accounts of the event did not explain why wilson continued to fire at brown after the two emerged from the vehicle. brown was shot a total of six times. the st. louis grand jury is now currently investigating the shooting.

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to reduce the advances of isis. we have been talking about the airstrikes, focusing on those because the question i think by many of military analysts, were they being effective. and it appears by some reports that those airstrikes did work in kobani at least to some extent? >> and it was such a different story a week ago, wasn't it, richard, when we were sitting here looking at what was happening in kobani and the prospect of it falling. it looks as though the kurdish fighters do have the momentum at this point. and large parts of that city. they have said that intense airstrikes over the week have killed hundreds of fighters and destroyed heavy weapons. there is quite a bit of airstrikes, isis not giving up easily, shelling the center of the town and an area near the turkish border. a senior official said that airstrikes have in fact helped but he said they still need more

weapons and ammunition to continue holding off isis, richard? >> so the question may be as we look forward if this is a turn of the tides, if you will, because of the effectiveness of the airstrikes from u.s. forces and others, whether they project that this will mean more successes as they try to deal with other parts of the country, iraq, specifically. and then the situation outside of baghdad, one of the debates here, what do we know about that. >> reporter: sorry, could you repeat that last part, richard? >> when we look at the efficacy of the attacks at the moment, what it might mean for the siege happening outside of baghdad, for instance, and other fronts that are being watched so carefully. this, as we know, that isis forces, they do have their own air power, if you will. >> sure, yeah, well, one thing in particular is very different about kobani and that is the fact that you have the kurdish

fighters helping the u.s. military and coalition jets leading them into some of these places where they need to bomb within kobani. i think you have heard from a lot of military experts in the past couple of weeks talking about the importance of having great intelligence of knowing where to place these airstrikes. if you don't know where the isis fighters are of course you can't effectively bomb them. and that has been part of the shift in kobani the past week, the fact they do have better intelligence on the ground in kobani. they know where to target these heavy weapons that i. f. was using, that really made the difference, you don't see that so much in parts of iraq. >> a key point there, on the ground intelligence. thank you so much. people in bermuda, cleaning up in the aftermath of hurricane

gonzalo, pounding the island yesterday with torrential rains and power outages have been widespread throughout the island. the hurricane is reported to be the strongest storm to hit bermuda in ten years, meanwhile, another storm 165 miles south/southwest of honolulu, more on that, gonzalo gone for now? but some. >> yes, gonzalo gone for now, but we're tracking another system in the central pacific. this is category 1 hurricane ana, still a category 1 advisory, moving north/northwest at maximum sustained winds at 80 miles an hour. we're looking at the big island, the rain is overspreading the island of maui and lanai, and the island of kauai. although the center will stay to the south of the hawaiian island

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>> a flat-out travel ban is not the best way to go. >> we have to do more and we have to do it quickly. >> well, we'll talk about it today, president obama having more reassurances for the u.s. people. listen to this. >> this is a serious disease, but we can't give into hysteria or fear because that only makes it harder to get people the accurate information they need. >> let's get to our brain trust, dr. natalie azar is a medical physician, and anthony roman is the president of roman associates, a global investigation of firms investigating in medical aviation. so we're learning there will be new cdc guidelines sometime today. we have a sense of what they might be. there are four major parts. and when we look through them first here, dr. azar, these are they. we have been talking about many of these for what, two or three weeks? what is your sense about this

being -- is it too little, too late? >> no, it is definitely not too little, too late. it was too little, too late for the people in dallas. we have the rest of the countries and hospitals and health care workers who are potentially going to face patients who are you know, suspect to have ebola. i have been very reluctant to place the blame game here. i think there were many missteps along the way that got us to where we are right now. >> meaning systemic. >> from the time that mr. duncan left liberia without full disclosure of his contacts to the time he arrived at the hospital and was mishandled at the hospital with the health care team. the providers were not properly gowned right away. this is a lesson along the way, an eye-opening -- i think we are now mobilizing. we're getting the word out, discussing how the disease is transmitted. now we're discussing how we'll deal with it on u.s. soil. >> what is missing?

>> what is missing in our plan? >> the cdc guidelines that we -- that we understand will be coming out. what could be added to that? >> well, perhaps it is the effort that we're going to talk about them later to coordinate all of this to make sure that all of these -- you know it is one thing we keep talking about to suggest protocol. and to suggest legislation and regulation another thing altogether to make sure it is implemented properly. >> and to you, registered nurse, you understand and you are very much in touch with the nursing community across the country. we have two cases we have been discussing over the last two hours. and that is nina pham and vinson, two of the nurses on the front lines. and they were not as you were saying, dr. azar, the benefit of perhaps some procedures that may have kept them from contracting ebola. >> you know, this is exactly what we have been asking for since this happened, certainly in texas. clear protocols. not just from cdc.

which we welcome. but also it has to be done at the state level and each of our hospitals. it has been totally lacking. the fact that -- that the -- each hospital is kind of doing their own thing. and i think that was mainly the problem in texas. they didn't have -- the protective equipment was not -- meeting the needs of the nurses. certainly the instructions that the nurses got after they took care of mr. duncan was clearly absent. so -- we learn lessons from that. and we -- and we need to make sure that we have clear procedures in place. >> and through many of these national concerns when it comes to health issues, specifically it is a process of learning. and one of the things that changed in the last week is moving from i guess -- which were just response teams from the cdc, are now s.w.a.t. teams?

i'll just use that word, higher capability, greater speed. when you look at that, is that where we need to be today? is that the best solution of reacting as they might go across the country to the several different hospitals to help them should they find a case of ebola? >> i think given the results of the early management of this, or perhaps mismanagement during the early days, the mixed messages with regard to the protocols, the mixed messages with regard to gowning and the method and procedures to be used. the lack of the buddy system and cross check, and critical risk management, you do need teams like this. you do need an effective buddy system. >> and the white house team as well involved in this. they're -- you know, were they caught in the catch 22, they moved too much hysteria. but they wanted to be very thoughtful about this and move in a direction fashi fashion.

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president on friday. coordination, coordination, coordination, but we're talking about the drug czar, and general mccaffrey said they may only have two people working with them. he is worried about the resources and the ability to coordinate. >> well, first, i'm happy about the choice of a non-physician as a physician saying this. we have the brightest physician, one of whom is dr. frieden, frankly. so we need somebody who can come at this from a very, very different perspective. somebody who has a history of implementing ideas and seeing them through. >> and now, you can have guidance at the top, you can have certain hospitals on the ground that understand what they need to do. but there is a lot of moving parts that need to be on board if you will, with a message and a protocol. >> absolutely. and i think the coordination piece of this is essential. but also, what is essential is to have the front line workers

have unpinput on this. it can't just be the doctors and nurses, even though that is what everyone sees. it has to be the people who are handling the blood, the people handling the laundry. the people who received the patients in the emergency room. you know, they need to have proper staffing to make sure that the turnover is quick. >> how would you do this? would you just start classes? everybody needs to come in for a week? >> i would have the specialized team of the willing. you always have people that want to volunteer. you need to make them experts and make sure you know who they are. they know what the rules are. they get the training and practice and drills that they understand exactly what to do when they need to do it. >> now part of that coordination and the call has been made. and this is a question that will go to this new coordinator. hey, what about travel bans? a week ago it was said from the government we're not going to do that. the president again say we're not going to do that. >> i think we have to be very

careful about the call for travel bans. there are all sorts of unintended consequences with this. and we know from past history during the sars epidemic in 2003, canada initiated a travel ban, it was prohibitively expensive, and had an adverse on their economy and was completely unsuccessful. what will happen in the ebola case, we'll have undocumented travellers here. they will go to third-party countries. they will be difficult to trace and track. and i believe it will cause the spike to be inadvertently up in the united states. >> there is no surgeon general, there is a nominee that has been waiting to be heard by the senate. i'm not asking for a political commentary here, but now we have the effect of the czar, the

confirmation for ebola. is this really the best thing for dealing with ebola, coming out and saying need to get this done, don't have a surgeon general right now but this is the second best. >> back in the summer we were saying we have the infrastructure to deal with an ebola outbreak. what we saw was we didn't have the infrastructure to deal with the first case clearly. but what we have seen subsequently is a national mobilization effort. i'll speak from my institution, they're very communicative, in the vast majority of cases health care workers are getting the message, and their directors are enforcing the new protocols and recommendations. i feel confident. >> do you feel confident? >> it is great to have this czar, we do need a surgeon general. but i also don't want us to take the eye off the ball in terms of providing the funds and the help

needed to africa. and i know this is part of the issue here. but if we had given the support they needed at the time they needed. this is not a new problem, this is an old problem. i think we would not be in the situation. and so we really have to do all things at the same time. >> ten seconds, feel good? >> well, i think we have a particular problem here. the first tier, the top tier hospitals like nyu, they will deal effectively with this problem. when we get to a third community hospital we may run into trouble and that frightens me. >> thank you all three for your perspectives. a topic you know very well. i appreciate your thoughts on this topic. and the health professionals, anthony roman and roman associates, you guys have a great weekend. coming up, a decades old trend will play out in the mid-term elections. up next we'll explain what it could mean for congress and president obama. without compr. to be more powerful...

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day, and the rhetoric, oh, boy, it's heating up. have you been watching it across the country? former president clinton will be in kentucky tuesday to campaign. he's in arkansas this weekend. democrats bringing out the star power to try to shake off what's been dubbed the six-year itch by political watchers. since world war ii the party in the white house has lost an average of 26 house seats and 6 seats in the senate. the first lady is also hitting the trail. she is spending the weekend in florida campaigning for charlie crist. and the president himself is expected back on the stump tomorrow in maryland and illinois campaigning for gubernatorial candidates there, part of a limited campaign itinerary for him as he slumps in the polls. with me from washington is politics editor for roll call, sheer ra, we're talking about 17 days to go, we're talking about the six-year itch. we've talked about the average statistics. what are you seeing at this point as we really only have two

weeks to go. >> you did put the average up, and i do think we'll probably have an above average loss for democrats in terms of senate races and i think we'll have a way below average loss for democrats in term fz house races. >> is that because of the president? >> that's because of the president a little bit but also because of the map, right? you're dealing with a lot of democratic senators in southern states where the president is hugely unpop lar it's the nature of the cycle. in the house, i think it's a district of redistricting and just the way some of the zrauk r districts are drawn. a lot tv is in the president's control and a lot of it isn't. >> all of the focus, some are making this point, is really on who's going to control the senate. they're not bringing in, at least the senate candidates, president obama himself. but they are on the gubernatorial level, democratic kand dands, they're bringing in the president but congressional candidates not. >> right. it is an interesting phenomenon. i should point out that congressional candidates don't want to be seen with obama, but

they will happily take his money, right? they're the average teenager. don't want to be seen with them but will take them alulowanceal. is it's interesting they're campaigning for a lot the of the governors. look where he's had scheduled visits. these are states in the blue column, perhaps going to illinois, his home state after all. these are state wrz he's generally popular. he's not going to campaign for governor of arkansas, for example. >> you know, some of the parts that i'm watching that are moving along is the money that you were just alluding to. the repositions across the country based on the potential of the candidate to win or lose. what's some of the major money shifts you've seen in this last week that could really impact the next 17 days? we're talking about media buys. >> we're talking about millions and millions of dollars spent on the air waves and there have been unique shifts in the last

week first of all, democratic senatorial are not scheduled to continue airing in kentucky and they did not reup there. they're out of kentucky. some people say that's basically them throwing in the toil on the race. meanwhile, they have moved money to south dakota, a sleeper of a race and georgia, which could be competitive. that is really where democrats now see their best pickup opportunity, in the state of georgia. >> when are we baked in? when does an october surprise not matter at all? are we already there, or is it next week? >> i think next week is really the last time that an october surprise could have a huge effect. you're talking about midterm elections so turnout is down in general all over the map. but remember a lot of these states have started voting already. early voting starts in some places early october. some people have already voted too late to change their minds. i think next week. in terms of advertising, usually you have to cancel two weeks

out. we're talking about tuesday now. >> shera, as we move to the post-midterms, if the republicans take over the senate and the add minute straigsz has a huge lineup, wouldn't they want to push those lists forward to try to get them through? >> through the lame duck session, yes. there is speculation when congress comes back especially because they got out of here early last time that there will be so much to do in this lame duck section. >> surgeon general, for instance. >> right. also a cr, continuing funding resoluti resolution, a lot of stuff and all the nominees. obama could try to push them all through or harry reid could try to push them all through before republicans most likely take control of that chamber in january. >> we'll have plenty to talk about over the next 17 days and i'm guessing that we will sints you're calling congress a bunch of teenagers. just kidding. shera, have a good weekend. >> thank you. >> for the rest of you, we'll be

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