by a reporter. gunfire. >> one suspect was shot and killed by police. moments ago president obama addressed the shootings. >> i express to the canadian people our condolences to the family and to the canadian people as a whole. we don't have all the information about what motivated the shooting. we don't have all the information about whether this was part of a broader network or plan or whether this was an individual or series of individuals who decided to take these actions. but, it emphasizes the degree to which we have to remain vigilant when it comes to dealing with

these kind of acts of senseless violence or terrorism. i pledge as always to make sure our national security teams coordinate very closely, given not only is canada one of our closest allies in the world but they're our neighbors and our friends. obviously there's a lot of interaction between canadians and the united states where we have such a long border. >> in a press conference earlier today, police in canada would not confirm if it will was a second suspect on the loose. >> was there more than one gunman? >> we're still in the process of investigation right now. we're treating this very seriously in identifying. >> downtown ottawa was put on lock down and police are asking the public to report any suspicion activity. the motive of this attack is not yet clear but came days after canada raised its terrorist

threat level. on monday a radical muslim killed two canadians with his car. isis has not been linked to today's shooting in ottawa. in united states, dhs has this to say. >> officials in ottawa say this situation is fluid and ongoing. as for the investigation we'll bring you any of the new breaking news when we get it in this hour. for the discussion let me bring in the program director for new america. steve with us from msnbc contributor and analyst and former fbi profiler. they don't know the motive, they

don't know how and why and very little information is coming out about this investigation, how do you put it together? >> well, they're putting together right now, they didn't know the name. the name's already been passed to the fbi by canadians. the fbi has agents assigned right there at the capital. shortly after the shooting there would have been agent there's saying how could we help. soon as the canadians identified this guy that name would be passed to the u.s. authorities and we would try to identify what is the motive. is this an individual with a mental health issue. is it ptsd issue is it someone who is radicalized, we won't know until tonight. police authorities will be at his house tearing through ought his property trying to identify who he is, why he did it and who might have helped him. >> do we know anything about the

person at this point? or is that still pretty much information lock down. because there's very little information coming from the canadians on this. >> yeah i know a name i've heard. it sounds like it could be native to canada. but i haven't heard that confirmed so i don't want to be throwing that out. >> sure. >> but it sounds like someone there locally. initially if there were two or three people together like we heard, you know, this could be a plot, but realize, fort hood, they thought there were multiple shooters, there was one, at the navy yard they thought there were three shooters, it was one. if it is one it suggests more of a mental health or radicalized individual who did this. again a lone wolf is always one of our biggest threats. >> we have now gotten to a point in society where we assume the worst. isis, terrorism, all of the

above, we don't know what it could be. that's kiengd kind of where we are right now. if it were connected to terr terrorism it would be viewed as a low-grade attack. is it a new wave of concern we're dealing with. >> we have no idea and we will wait to see is the case here. our peaceful neighbor to the north do have a tradition of mass killings like we have. there was domestic terrorism in the 70s it is too soon to say what it was. it is also clear though that in the last couple weeks there's been a lot of jihad, extremist, islamic sounding off on the internet in canada and there was this eventually auto yesterday. it is clear that canada like the u.s. has a problem with disinfected young people turning

to political islam whether that has to do with what happened today we just don't know. >> steve, your thoughts on what has unfolded today, the tightening from the information from the canadians. if this was the case in america we would having law enforcement asking f. public for help. >> you have the gentleman who ran over the fence and got into the white house. didn't shoot people. we have other folks we have had experience with. no matter what the reason is, we don't know yet. canada doesn't have the muscle reflexes to really process this yet. one of the things pumping through the canadian media is that canada has lost its innocence. whether this is terror or a deranged person, it doesn't matter, they are not used to

someone shooting up parliament in ottawa. many towns around the united states fought through this on our own soil so there's been more prep here. >> why the tightening of information. is this just a cultural thing. they don't know who to handle this kind of stuff. >> we are both journalists in d.c., i will tell you, i see a lot of tightening in america when any of these things happen. it takes a while for people to put the picture together. i don't want to defend the canadians too much but it seems when they don't have all the pieces in place one thing they don't want to do is necessarily alarm. so i get that. >> it's a terror threat.

if it happened friday and people didn't hear about it until monday there would be upset politicians. >> i think you can view what is going on as a critique that maybe sometimes the u.s. has gone too far. for example the degree of terror in the communities of boston that was locked down when there was no evidence of anyone near them. so this is something we still have to get right. >> we were constantly on high alert. you had airports shut down for a variety of any number of reasons. we were a very, very tense nation and i think we try to rach that down to try to not over react to everything but to communicate sthoez terror concerns but not necessarily put it all out publicly. squl where do we draw the line on what we tell the public when things like this happen and identifying exactly what it is.

seems -- >> it is interesting. the one person that was table to stop this guy happened to be almost a 16--year-old retired rcmp officer who was sergeant-at-arms who happened to have a gun. he was the only person between the shooter and the members of the -- the elected members that this guy may well have been going after. to your first point, i can speak as an fbi agent, the last thing you want to do is get into a race with the media trying to get to the shooter's house, his relatives, his neighbors and already have those people interviewed by five different cable channels before you ever talk to them. so there is a rhyme and reason for law enforcement to say let us put this together and know

what we're dealing with and then we'll be glad to share it with you. >> these low grade attacks, is this something, a new culture that we're going to have to deal with, with the way isis has evolved in the middle east. is this a new way of terrorism we might be looking at and a new way of handling as well. >> we put out an alert today to the u.s. tomorrow of the unknown soldier, we have to guard those soldiers that guard that tomb. we have picked up chatter from isis on the internet saying attack the military, attack law enforcement, use knives, run over them, with that level of threat out there, we have to be leaning forward in the saddle a little bit and realize that as your other two guests are talking about, if you get

self-radicalization that can take place on the internet it could be anywhere from three teenage girls to flying off to turkey as happened this week, to someone getting on the internet and realizing how to build a kettle bomb and setting it alongside one of the greatest races in this country. >> we have seen . >> all of this shouldn't be new to any of us. where does it take us now we see our best neighbor getting hit with this. >> i think there's no question we entered an era and frankly we entered it before isis but isis will try to take credit for it, where the radicalized and empowered individuals is the biggest threat we face at home. i went through two train stations and i thought long and

hard as i walked through union station, but could those one-off threats take down our political system, once you get to the point where your guards are armed, yes it is a threat no it is not an existential threat. >> we have something new now, the shooter is 32-year-old michael zehaf-bibeau. we have learned that the co corporal's nephew shot and killed this morning. reaction to this? >> we will have to wait to see how it unfolds.

>> if it was connected to isis they would want the public to know. >> one of our mutual colleagues when he interviewed osama bin laden, bin laden said my objective is to punch the united states, to make it over react and to bankrupt that nation. he didn't. but he created a massive over reaction. when we saw an institution like al qaeda behave, it chose trophy targets and organized very sophisticated large scale horrific attacks. it didn't engage small scale individuals doing things that still scare society but what al qaeda was doing was a very different kind of thing and many of us in the terrorism watch business and look at that isis chatter and frankly thought it was rather pathetic, like, is that all think can do, is that all they can initiate.

while real lives are looking at it is very a different thing from a large scale sophisticated attack. >> was it an attack or shooting. we don't mow. tonight the canadian prime minister stephen harper will address the country. isn't unusual that he would address the entire nation on a shooting like this? what's that tell you. >> well as steve said, this is something for canada that has never happened before. we have had, for hundreds of years, not just the last ten years, a series of violence around our national institutions. this is something new for canada so that is why harper will address the country. harper will face the same challenges bush faced on 9/11. what do you say. how do you calm the information. how much information do you release.

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parliament in ottawa have american officials certainly on alert. u.s. embassy is ottawa has locked down as a precaution. capitol police in washington remain at a heightened level of awareness but have not made any significant adjustments to security on capitol hill, security has been heightened at the tomb of the unknown soldier because of internet chatter. u.s. military officials tell nbc news that norad has gone into high alert posture but stress any threat would have to be aviation-related before they would get involved in the situation. the department of homeland security also says it is monitoring the situation but says there is no specific reporting to indicate this morning's events in canada pose

a threat to anyone here in the u.s. congressman from washington joining me tonight. there's a lot more shootings the united states than there are in canada. this may be new but nothing new to washington. there have been shootings in washington, d.c., in terms of security, has the united states had the appropriate reaction to this so far as you can see. >> i think the president has been very measured in his response. usually people, the information we get immediately after the incident turns out to be partial or incorrect or wrong altogether. you have to look back to timothy mcva when he blew up the building in oklahoma city. we had two guardsman killed since i've bng there.

since i've been there. you have to wait and get the information. i think the president is doing exactly the right thing by not getting his hair on fire. we don't know who did this. we don't know if there's conspiracy or anything else. all speculation in the press is done by irresponsible people in my view. >> what effect will this have on government buildings and officials in washington, if any at all, is this business as usual, just heightened alert situation. >> well, we have a system right now where everybody goes through it every day and they're looking in your trunk and doing all sorts of things to make sure that they are being aware of what's coming into the capitol. i think that you can make it impossible for people to do anything and keep everybody out, then you might have total security but you have no access

for anybody to come in. so if you are going to have people come in, as we do every day, through the check points, you got to have good guards and we've done that. i feel very comfortable in washington, d.c. >> i've been in and out of those buildings in washington. i think the security is tight. i think there's a lot of vij lance taking place. how difficult is it for security officials to balance free access to government buildings with the need to keep public safe and to keep elected officials such as yourself safe. >> well, i think that really is the difficulty. is how do you establish a balance between giving the people access to their government, to be able to come into the building and have meeting s with us and at the sae time protecting us. you can make it an armed fort rest when you go into the

building, but then the people don't have a chance to come in and tell us what they think needs to be done. they can't to it face to face and it's always much better to do it face to face. >> i think there's a different way of handling information north of the border than in the united states. i would like to know if the threat level has ever been raised in the united states and the public not know about it. i mean, this was the case, there was some internet chatter, there was a threat level that changed on friday, yet the public wasn't told about it. if president obama were to ratz the threat level and not tell the american public, i could just imagine what the public would have to say about it. your thoughts? >> walking around as i have on the campus last few years, you see another layer of police and you see people being directed away from certain areas and you know they changed something

because they're concerned about something. i think that is prudent. that's what we create the police for to do the things to protect us. they don't necessarily have to tell us everything they have heard or worry about, they simply have to do their job. i think sometimes the government official, like president obama doesn't need to tell everybody everything he knows. he needs to deal with it in an appropriate way using the instrument, the government. and so far i've seen him do a good job. i really think he's handled this very well. >> okay. congressman i doenn't mean to b cynical about the information that has unfolded whatsoever but as a news consumer, someone watching this, there's a shooting in a canadian building and we really don't know what it is and now norad is on alert in america. you know, to me, is that necessary? in your opinion? i mean, what message does that send.

that's when we scramble jets to handle situations in the air and we have norad on high alert yet we're not supposed to worry about it. what about that? >> i have real problems with that kind of thing. you know, we've just gone through the ebola virus, that was the crisis of last week. everybody's hair was on fire about ebola and suddenly a shooting occurs in canada and suddenly our hair's on fire that somehow the muslim hordes are going to come and get us. there's no evidence for that. to me it sends the wrong message to the people. especially to those people who are inclined to do these kinds of things. it gives them ammunition to say, well, i better do something now before -- that kind of stuff encourages. >> sure. >> this kiengd of stuff. >>

>> when is norad not on high alert. that's what they're there for. no one should be asleep at the switch. i find the fact norad is on high alert, i would hope they would be that way all the time. >> i believe the same way. i think that is a -- i'm sad to see us get into that. >> all right. congress jim mcdermont good to have you with us. we'll continue bringing you updates as they happen. later we will turn to the race for senate in north carolina, republican senator tom tillis gets into a debate with himself over the merits of obamacare. that's coming up. ience. but at ge capital we also bring expertise from across ge, like lean process engineers

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carolina. >> find a way to divide and conquer people who run assistance. >> obamacare is probably the single greatest threat. >> say no to medicaid expansion. >> i think we need to say no to obamacare. >> 500,000 people would be covered. >> we're trending in a direction where we should consider potential expansion of medicaid. >> potential expansion of medicaid. >> i would encourage the state legislature and governor to consider it. >> this time last year republicans were jumping for joy at the alleged failure that was obamacare, the rocky roll out that was healthcare.gov. one year later, tables have turned. website problems are fixed. according to the new england

journal of medicine, over 10 million people got. could during the open enrollment period. 27 states expanded medicaid providing care for millions of americans. this move will save hospitals over $3 billion this year. now less than two weeks from the midterm elections some republicans are starting to embrace obamacare and they don't even know it. state speaker thom is many close in the senate race. what do you do? last night tillis made these shocking comments on obamacare. >> i think we're -- we're trending in a direction where we should consider potential expansion of medicaid if it means our overall cost for providing health care is lower because it will take off pressure from hospitals and providers, and they do need help. but you need to do it in a way

where you're adding a dollar you don't have 15 or 20 cents going to waist and inefficiency. >> he's done a complete 180 on medicaid expansion. he ran this radio ad earlier this year. >> well, somebody better erase the tape. talk about a change of heart. i'm joined tonight by democratic strategi strategist, and president of the north carolina naacp. i got to ask you first reverend, thanks for joins us tonight gentleman. reverend what do you make of tillis he wants to say he wants

to expand medicaid. do you believe him? >> no it is a not a reversal. he said on that same show he wanted to repeal obamacare. so he is saying one thing out of one side of his mouth and something else out of the other. the fact is the governor couldn't move if he so decided. in our state 2800 people will die this year. 40,000 women will not get the screenings they should get. 27,000 diabetics won't get the treatment they should get. we have 43,000 veterans majority of them are working poor. this speaker has been really a guest expansion and continues on the trail to say how much he is against the affordable care, he calls it obamacare. which means he's also against people being able to get insurance despite preexisting

conditions, like my daughter who was born with a brain disease. this is political receiptoric not policy. >> some folks around you have sheets of paper what is it about. >> this is our naacp voter guide. since we're electing every member of the general assembly and congress and we have a voter guide that shows where they were on issues, what they have stood for. people need to know where people have stood so that they could decide who is with them. >> what a great effort. >> we are on a towur all across the state. >> i know that. you've done a lot of work out there. what do you make of this. we saw ohio governor do a quick

clarification about where he stands on obamacare. the numbers are what they are. they have to find a way to talk about this don't they. >> you can't keep the medicaid expansion without having the provisions in obamacare is that a, help to finance it, and b, help to reduce cost so it is affordable. beyond that is a wonderful republican idea, if you listen to tillis he said we could consider expanding medicaid. he didn't say it was for it. they are saying we consider covering the poor, maybe we might not, we might. but we can leave out the working families and the middle class because we want to get rid of the rest of obamacare. it's unbelievable. >> reverend how can health care not be a mover, when you actually have politicians in

north carolina who want nothing to do with obamacare but it has effected the lives of so many people. the medicaid expansion brings health care to low income folks in this country who were going to the emergency room to see doctor cwhich was raising costs for all americans and raising insurance premiums. we seen a change in all of that. the rate of growth. this should be an easy sell to folks in north carolina, shouldn't it. >> you know teddy roosevelt pushed for it. working poor people are being denied health care expansion. we're losing billions of dollars over the next few years, $4.9 million a day, now almost 60 perez % of north carolinians are saying

we should expand medicaid. that is why tilli is down to 19% in the polls because people know what they are doing is regressive, is wrong. this should not be an issue of partisanism, it should be doing the right thing so jobs are saved, hospitals are saved, and people have a better life. >> will there be a good turn out. >> there's going to be a powerful turn out. i've been on this tour in over 50 counties. people are marching to the polls literally on the first day of early voting. i will be for two weeks, we've been in three counties in the western part of the state where you normally wouldn't expect naacp and others have traction and we have had others gearing up, rearing to go. we are going to contact all 286,000 african-americans who voted in 2010. this is going to be an election

about real issues, life, and death. >> let's talk political history. history tells us it will be a low voter turn out. is there a possibility this could be one for the archives because the issues are so tight. >> i certainly hope so. the truth is if african-americans or young people don't turn out, even though this republican congress has a dead approval rating, they will probably capture the senate, so we need this turn out. what the reverend and others around the country are doing is important. i think voters are pretty smart. this game on obamacare is happening all over. you got mitch mcconnell saying, we will keep the portal in kentucky, the fact is there won't be anything on that website if you repeal obamacare. >> yeah. >> it is like ted cruz who is up in new hampshire, marilyn garcia

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to buy christmas presents. i went through all that as a child. charlie never went through that. he grew one policemen of money. he's never had to worry about money or being laid off. charlie has done fine in life. >> charlie crist fired back saying rick scott doesn't care about the middle class. >> i was not responsible for the global economic meltdown any more than rick was responsible for the national economic recovery. and you know, if you're somebody who flies around in a private jet and you live on a mansion on the sea, it is hard to understand what people are suffering from. >> crist also made an indirect jab. took an indirect jab on the governor, rick scott about, how he made his millions. >> you don't know me. and you can't tell my story. and i'm not going to tell yours but i know you're worth about $100 or $200 million today. and you know, god bless you for that wealth, rick. the way you got it was pretty unsavory. >> i'm joined by joy reid, 2:00 eastern time.

also, mike, radio host, america's attorney. what is he talking about? unsavory income? >> he's talking about criminal conduct. where it was so bad that you had scott having to plead the fifth amendment 75 times, as everybody in florida has heard. they don't understand what it is about. it is the equivalent of somebody going to your establishment with a spranld hand. and you upcoding that and saying, no, we're going to treat it like a broken arm so we can charge more to medicate. it is the equivalent of people coming to the organization and saying, you know what? you probably need a ct scan when ten other doctors would say that's a fraud. or you might need an mri and make taxpayers pay for it or you might need a laminectomy when all you have is a hurt back. everything he's done is indefensible. the problem he has is people are screaming out to say, rick,

let's see your financials. and rick keeps saying, no, you can't see my financials. it is in a blind trust in my wife's name. and the reason they want to see the financials, they want to know whether he is making money on drilling offshore. because he's cutting sweetheart deals. they want to know. is he making money because he's getting sweet hard deals? >> is he operating in the governor's chair the way did he in the previous job. >> unsavory income or how it was termed by charlie crist. are voters going to get this? how do you think floridians would respond to that? we're on the verge some of personal insults here. >> when rick scott ran in 2010, this is what democrats expected. to run. and she really never did it. she never went there. charlie crist because he had the calm and the self-possession to do it. if you were an alien coming down from space, you would think he was the governor and rick scott was the challenger. he was nervous and fumbling all around.

this goes to scott's character. the columbia hca problem was not just that they committed fraud. not just against medicare but medicaid and tri-care. rick scott would not take responsibility for it. he let his underlings take the fall. he let the little guys go down and his attitude as governor is often to let the little guys go down. that's his reputation. >> so this was the third and final debate, joy. it is almost like charlie crist saved the best for last. because i mean, it is about character. and it is about judgment. and i think he is trying to send a serious message to voters. is this really the guy you want? >> yeah. and i think he is also sending the message, do you want a governor who doesn't take personal responsibility for the thing that went wrong under his administration. because as governor, he doesn't answer reporters' questions, he doesn't want to release his financials and it all goes to the same character. >> was he looking for that opportunity and that debate?

or was that just off the cuff? >> crist cornered rick scott on his death penalty stance. we saw that odd deer in the headlight look that scott gave, the same way you look at his 75 times that he pled the fifth, the fifth in the deposition if you look at the video. the point is this. it is rick scott brand. it goes as far as, i would take it as far as saying it is his poker game tell. his gambler's tell. and charlie knew that. when scott's cornered, he does something, when he does something ridiculously wrong, and he caught on it, here's what happens. he stares off into the distance. he stutters and stamers and blinks his eiffel any time he's caught in a gotcha moment. it is the equivalent of richard nixon. we knew when he was lying, heo sweat profusely, he would blink rapidly. >> so if rick scott is on the witness stand, is he lying?

>> i have to tell you something. every lawyer with a year of experience would know when he is lying. >> he should have asked for a fan. he needed a fan. he should have gotten a fan! >> let's talk about minimum wage quickly. when rick scott was asked what minimum wage should be, his answer was, how would i know? the private sector decides wages. joy, reaction to that. >> this is a governor who has emphasized deep tax cuts for corporations. his strategy to bring jobs, 700,000 jobs into florida was to bring deep tax cuts. and this is a guy who keeps on saying he grew up poor. a guy who keeps saying he saw his family struggle. he doesn't know what the minimum wage is in florida and doesn't care? not a good look. >> what about that? is minimum wage going to be a mover in florida? >> he didn't answer it. it is too close to even develop that argument at this point. but i have to tell you this. his refusal to answer routine,

every reporter in this country has seen it. his lieutenant governor who was forced to resign after she was caught hustling money. he gave thousand yard stare when he was asked about it. rapid blinking, stutter, stammer, every reporter in the country that has covered this guy knows that he refuses to answer. and there is a real good reason. because behind that refusal, generally is a hustle by this guy who wants to be governor again after you take a look at his history and you conclude, wow, how did it happen the first time. and what about women's issues? annett was on the ticket with charlie crist. very successful. does this help with all the attacking? >> it is interesting. this is sort of the campaign the democrats thought was going to happen in 2010 all unfolding now. you see the democrats going really hard after the latino vote. particularly in central florida. that's what annett was all about. it is a base campaign by a former republican.

he is running like the best democratic base campaign that we've seen in florida. >> great to have you both with us. thanks so much for joining us. that's the ed show. "politics nation" with reverend al sharpton starts right now. >> good evening. thanks to you for tuning in. news only the, the identity of the suspected gunman in the canadian parliament shooting that left both a soldier and the gunman dead. nbc news reports, the accused shooter was a canadian national named michael joseph hall. he also goes by the name michael zehaf-bibeau. he was 32 years old. a convert to islam. canada's prime minister is expected to speak soon. president obama talked about the shooting late today. >> we don't yet have all the informatioou