democratic base campaign that we've seen in florida. >> great to have you both with us. thanks so much for joining us. that's the ed show. "politics nation" with reverend al sharpton starts right now. >> good evening. thanks to you for tuning in. news only the, the identity of the suspected gunman in the canadian parliament shooting that left both a soldier and the gunman dead. nbc news reports, the accused shooter was a canadian national named michael joseph hall. he also goes by the name michael zehaf-bibeau. he was 32 years old. a convert to islam. canada's prime minister is expected to speak soon. president obama talked about the shooting late today. >> we don't yet have all the information about what motivated the shooting.

we don't yet have all the information about about whether this was part of a broader network or a plan or whether this was an individual or a series of individuals who decided to take these actions. but it emphasizes the degree to which we have to remain vigilant when it comes to dealing with these acts of senseless violence or terrorism. >> it is confirming to canadian media outlets that he was a soldier and he was killed. in this video, you can see emergency responders and witnesses trying to save his life, performing cpr just after the shooting. and in this dramatic video from moments later, you hear gunshots in the parliament building where the suspected gunman was killed.

[ gunfire ] >> the two shootings at the memorial and parliament are less than a mile apart. the prime minister and many lawmaker were in the building when the shots rang out. one member of parliament shared this photo of lawmakers using chairs to barricade a door and starting accounts from witnesses who watched the gunman open fire. >> they were on the statute and heard a bunch of pops. i thought it was firecrackers

going off. i looked across the street and there was a man with a rifle shooting at a bunch of people. >> we saw a man with a scarf, long black hair, he was wearing blue pants and a black jacket and he had a double barrel shotgun. he ran up this way. didn't hurt the gentleman in the car and then took off toward the back and headed in that direction toward the construction. >> earlier today, police refused to rule out the possibility of a second gunman. still so many questions. about what exactly happened and why. joining me now from ottawa is cbc reporter chloe, by phone, freelance journalist justin ling who was on lockdown, and the counter terror expert here with me in the studio. thank you all for being here.

chloe, let me go to you first. what's the latest tonight in iowa? >>. >> reporter: in ottawa. the situation is less tense than before but the lockdown is still in effect in a lot of downtown ottawa. the perimeter shrunk but it still includes this building in down ottawa. as you mentioned, police refused to rule out the possibility that there was another shooter so i think here we are wondering, is someone out there? and we don't know. one man was killed. police said that he was a shooter and killed in the parliament building. we don't know if there is someone else out there. kind of waiting to find out if there is another suspect, if that person is in custody and at what point we can go outside and walk the streets as we normally do. >> you know, justin, the first shooting happened around 9:50 a.m. the gunman was shot about 10:30. where were you when all this happened? >> i'm still in lockdown. i'm still in the parliament building where i was this morning when the shooter first opened fire at the war memorial

and downstairs. i was upstairs, a couple floors. i was heading down to the floor where the shooter was. it is caucus day which means we're normally trying to get ahold of mps and ministers outside. the caucus happens to be where the shooter was this morning. so on my way down there, one mp stopped me and said you have to go. there is a serious situation, an active gunman. i turned around and he ran in the direction to go tell more people. security was flying everywhere. i went back and basically told the others in the room that i'm in, i won't say where it is because we're not sure if there is a second shooter. but i basically told them the situation. we got low, we got behind walls. we took cover. security came in later and that that there was still an active gunman. i believe this would have been at the point where they had already shot the first suspect. so you know, whether or not that's the fog of war, unconfirmed reports at that point, whether or not they're just following a lead, i'm not sure but he will us there was

another active gunman. we're now waiting to be cleared and evacuated out of this building. you hear behind me, a little chaos as we're trying to call loved ones and act like normal. >> so a lot of people including you are still on lockdown tonight in the parliament building. >> yeah. virtually nobody removed from the parliament building itself. that means there's a lot of mps and ministers in here. i did at one point see the minister of defense escorted out. he is probably one of the only ones to be out now. the building is certainly locked down. there is a heavy police presence here. i can say that they have heavy automatic weapons. there are police dogs here sniffing out to see if there is anyone in the building. i think we're reasonably sure the building is clear but they have to coordinate our escape. >> what do we know about the accused gunman? >> well, mr. michael zehaf-bibeau is in his early 30s. allegedly his passport was confiscated by the canadian

authorities. he is a recent convert to islam. seizing his passport is an indication that he might have been a security threat. >> when was his passport seized? >> we don't know when but apparently it was seized recently. probably last year. now this might be an indication that he might have tried to travel somewhere. maybe to a jihadi war zone. maybe to fight overseas. likely syria or iraq. >> it appears he was definitely on their radar. >> he was definitely on their radar. >> police haven't talked about a motive but even before the shooting today, canada had already raised the terror threat level, citing islamic chatter. a reuters report quoted the new terrorism threat level, it indicated an individual or group within canada or abroad has the intent and capability to commit an act of terrorism. so what kind of things were intelligence officials hearing? >> well, going back to monday

when the ramming incident happened. the guy who ran over two soldiers, both of them died. he was ultimately shot by the police. the very next day isis canadian fighters from the region tweeted out, messages celebrating this act and actually asked others and canada, radicals to follow suit. to act the same. to shoot whether it is individuals, military personnel, it appears that there has been a lot of inciteful messages online and it is increasing every day. >> police wouldn't answer if there was a second gunman. >> are there still suspects out there? are there people -- you said there was more than one suspect earlier. is there still someone on the loose who committed a crime? >> we're still investigating the

active investigation. we're working wi. we're asking the community to continue to be aware, to be vigilant. >> chloe, are people concerned that there is a second gunman or is this just caution and procedure? i may not, are they concerned as a second gunman? and that more damage can be done? >> well, yeah, absolutely. earlier today, rumors on twitter and social media were that there could be as many as five shooters out. there i don't know who started that or if it was even floated by police. but certainly, a question that people had. what was fueling some of that baltimore there was a belief there was also shooting at a shopping central not far from parliament hill and the national war memorial where the two other shootings took place. so there was concern about how did a single shooter get to

those three locations within the same time frame. so people were speculating on how many shooters there could be. how could they have done thought in such a short amount of time so those rumors floating around were fueling some concerns and the fact that police have refused to rule it out is a concern. the fact that there is a safety perimeter. even here in the building for several hours, reporters weren't allowed back into the building. we weren't allowed out. at some point, there was the switch. we just had a round of folks come in and we had a little round of applause as reports were all day. and maybe they didn't feel safe. we're finally allowed back in. and so yeah. i can speak from how we're feeling here in the newsroom but also looking at social media. looking at how people were feeling ottawa is a pretty safe city. we don't have a very high crime rate. something like there to happen in the middle of the day, in the middle of the week at such prominent locations is really concerning. >> you know, i would imagine

there's been all kinds of rumors, as i was listening to chloe and misinformation going around the building all day. give us a sense of, in these tense hours, you've been under lockdown in the building all day. what was it like, what kind of information, misinformation has been passing around the building? >> for a long time we didn't even have the ability to turn on the tv. we were afraid that any noise or any kind of sound might attract anybody else who may still be in the building. so a lot of information by twitter, security information sent to our e-mails. but it is pretty sparse. i'm glad to say that knowing the reporters in the city, i had a pretty good feed of, a pretty reliable information that could i pass on to the others. i don't think we got two kind of worried, two, the speculation and the rumors that were going around were all, for example,

the prime minister was a mere 50 feet, 60 feet away from where the active shooting took place. in the room adjacent. we got very, very quick confirmation that he was safe. that was kind of comforting. a message for us. so that sort of thing. it was keeping us up to date so we weren't completely in the dark. >> chloe, justin and laith, thank you for your time tonight. >> thank you. coming up, the eyewitness accounts. we'll talk live to two members of parliament on lockdown today. also president obama talked about remaining vigilant at home. so how are officials stepping up security today? and our other top story tonight. our most detailed account from officer dan wilson on why he shot and killed michael brown. g a pm pain reliever

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the shooting today has dominated talk about social media, community and social media worldwide. images like this one of the first responders on the scene went viral. and so did the striking photo we showed earlier of lawmakers barricading the door as shots were fired. the owner of the ottawa senators hockey team wrote, my thoughts and prayers are with the families of the victims of today's shootings in ottawa, as well as with all members of parliament and staff. olympic gold medalist marie-philip poulin tweeted, thoughts and prayers for everyone in on the wax #stay strong. our thoughts and prayers are with everyone in canada tonight. coming up, the powerful eyewitness accounts. we'll talk live to two members

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heard a shot. turned around and there was a guy with a rifle just around on the back corner. just pow! then i saw one of the other armed forces guys just running. >> we're back with our news. the shootings at the canadian parliament. today's shootings happened right in the heart of canada's political system. members of parliament were holding their weekly caucus

meetings. as we showed earlier, lawmakers used chairs to barricade the door. another photo showed this member of parliament and her baby taking cover. along with reporters and other lawmakers. shots were fired just outside the room where prime minister stephen harper was holding a meeting. he was safely removed from the building and later briefed on the situation. we still don't know what motivated the kulds gunman but given where this happen, you have to wonder if the canadian government itself was the target. joining me on the phone are canadian senator jim munson who was inside a committee room with other politicians during the attack and member of parliament, tyrone benskin who was caught up in the lockdown. thank you both for being here this evening. >> thank you. >> senator, where are you now? where are you right now? >> we are still on parliament

hill. we've been in a lock yum for eight and a half hours now. and people are still quite shaken, having gone through an ordeal. it is a day i feel where canada lost its innocence. >> senator, how long have you and the others been in that room, all day? since when? >> me, i didn't quite get your question. >> how long have you been locked up in that room today? >> we've been locked up since about 10:00 this morning. and when this whole incident took place, we had a security guard coming into our room saying get out, get out, there's a shooter in the building. then we heard a lot of gunfire and we were taken to a special room and locked up here with other members of parliament.

for myself, it was kind of difficult. my wife drove me to work this morning. we drove by the national war memorial which is right adjacent to the hill and saw the two young soldiers doing their sentry duty. she drove back after she let me off and saw the car pull up beside the war memorial and saw a gentleman get out of the car with blankets. obviously now there is a rifle inside that blanket. and walk up to, and witness, not personally witnessed in the sense of seeing the shot but saw a glimpse or a flash. and then of course, after that, the gunman made his way to the hill. >> so your wife, after dropping you off, went back to the war memorial and actually saw a young man get out of his car with blankets which you believe he was hiding rifles, and approach the two guards at the war memorial, one of whom now has been killed. >> yes. she found it rather strange that

this car in a major thoroughfare, the car stop with no flashing lights. he was in the front seat, went to the back seat and moved to the war memorial. >> how many people were in the car that she saw? >> she didn't say. she didn't quite look at that. she was still driving. and she was trying to move herself around the car. so it appears that it was just the shooter himself. >> mr. benskin, can you describe what happened this morning inside the building from your vantage point? >> well, we were in our weekly caucus meeting, our caucus meeting is held across the hall from the government caucus meeting. which is in, directly in the hallway where the incident took place. we were in our session when we heard the pops. which initially sounded like something metallic being dropped in the hallways. for those of you who don't know the parliament buildings, they

are old gothic style buildings, which have a the lot of resonance in the hallways. we realized it wasn't that. we basically hid under tables and did what we could to barricade the door. literally right outside the door. and it was quite a concern that whoever was responsible for this was going to come and make their way through the doors into our caucus room. >> mr. benskin, how concerned are you that the gunman may have been aware, this was caucus time with all parties in one room? >> well, not sure. but we do have a very open democracy here.

and wednesdays are known to be the caucus days for all the parties. so whether or not this was a plan for this day specifically, i am not sure. we're still waiting to get information. the police are still doing their investigation so i don't want to make any speculation. but the fact remains, if he had made a short left or a short right from where his location was, he very well could have come through doors of either of our caucus rooms. >> all right, senator munson and mr. benskin, thank you both for your time tonight. please stay safe and know our prayers are with everyone in canada. >> thank you. still ahead, are we safe here at home? after the canada shootings, we'll look at what officials are doing to stop potential homegrown threats in the u.s. plus, the day's other big story,

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we don't yet have all the information about what motivated the shooting. we don't yet have all the information about whether this was part of a broader network or plan. or whether this was an individual or series of individuals who decided to take these actions. but it emphasizes the degree to which we have to remain vigilant when it comes to dealing with these kinds of acts of senseless violence or terrorism. >> president obama on remaining vigilant. today the new york police department beefed up security at the canadian and british consulates. the military authorized additional security at the tomb of the unknown soldier at arlington national cemetery. the president was briefed on the situation in canada and spoke to prime minister harper on the phone. the secret service is monitoring developments. so are we safe here at home and

how are we preparing to keep the homeland safe? it is important to say again, we don't know what motivated the shooting today. we do know three teenage american girl from denver were stopped in europe this week traveling, trying to travel to syria to join isis fighters. and we know as many as 100 americans have tried to join isis fighters in syria and iraq. some of them successfully. nbc spoke with one man who joined isis in syria. >> i purchased a ticket with the intent of entering to syria, out of joining one medical and food aid convoys or directly with the islamic state. >> so are we safe here at home? how are we preparing to stay vigilant? joining me now, the senior white house correspondent chris jansing. how is the president addressing

this situation in canada tonight? >> well, late this afternoon he was meeting with his senior advisers and we know he was in a prescheduled meeting with his homeland security adviser when he first got word of what happened in ottawa. and she has been getting him updates throughout the day. we heard from him a short time ago after he met with his new ebola czar and said obviously we're all shaken by it and asked what it mental for u.s. security, he said it is too soon to tell but it is something that will have to be factored into our ongoing assessment of how we deal with the threat of terrorism. and there have been these ongoing allegations of foreign fighters. we don't know exactly what the motivation is here. but the president has had conversations with canadian officials in the past. as have other members of this administration. in part because on october 8, the canadian parliament voted to join the war against isis to join in the air strikes in iraq.

that's one of the reasons their own security had been heightened. the president in a series of ongoing meetings today, including many of them with his homeland security adviser. >> what can you tell us about that phone call the president had with prime minister harper? >> well, he pledged support. the white house officials continue to be in close contact, several of them with their counter parts in canada. other agencies, homeland security, the pentagon, talking to folks and pledging help in the investigation. that has become interesting since we've learned more about the suspect in the case and the fact that he was a recent convert to islam. obviously increases the u.s. interests in this. so he pledged ongoing cooperation and ongoing conversations across all agencies here in the government. >> nbc's chris jansing, thank you for your time this evening. >> thank you. >> i want to bring in jonathan,

the chief investigative report we are wnbc here in new york. and bring back laith, counterterrorism expert. back with us now. how concerned are police here in new york? and in the united states about a similar attack here at home? >> it has been an ongoing concern since 9/11. remember, new york has seen 15 attempts since 9/11. in material of home grown or al qaeda-inspired type plots. it remains a concern. because of all the propaganda involving isis so this type of lone wolf attack, if that's what it was in canada. it appears to be. it appears to be a convert to islam. a recent convert to islam. a gentleman who had a possible drug history who converted and may have carried out this attack on his own. the investigation is in its early stages. they're taking a hard look. so what is being done here in new york?

nypd stepping up, ramping up some of the data bases and out possible sources and methods. as of now, no new threat to new york. no new threat in the u.s. obviously always a concern when you see an incident like this. >> let me ask you, today nbc news learned that nearly two weeks ago a joint intelligence bulletin warned isis was calling for u.s. based sympathizers to carry out attacks here at home. the report said, and i'm quoting, these calls could motivate home grown violent extremists to conduct homeland attacks, particularly against law enforcement personnel. can you tell us anything about this? >> people such as myself, rachel esposito, we all work on that bulletin the day it came out. nothing specific there but the propaganda is there. there are several individuals in new york, in chicago, in minneapolis, that they are following. that they're watching, they're

concerned about. nothing to indicate any threat or attack is imminent. but there is always that concern. they sent out these bulletins to remind people to be vigilant. they're not worried about the people they know about. they're worried about the individual they don't know about. and all it takes is one lone actor armed to the teeth to walk into times square or somewhere else and the type of damage. a nightmare scenario that law enforcement worries about day in and day out. >> as you know, this is the second incident in canada this week involving an attack on government. on monday a canadian named martin was shot and killed after he ran down two canadian soldiers in his car. here's what we know. he converted to islam in 2013 and was quickly radicalized. he followed isis fighters on twitter. in july he was arrested by the

canadian police when he tried to fly to turkey. his passport was then seize asked he was being closely monitored by canada police for being a potential threat to national security. they knew this guy was a threat. he lost his passport. yet he still managed to kill one soldier in the attack. >> they've looked at target as soft targets. to soldiers walking down the street, we've seen that in england before. to go back to the canadian incidents, after that incident monday after martin ran over the two soldiers, the isis canadian soldiers started tweeting out. celebrating this act.

and inciting more acts of terrorism at home in canada. one isis canadian fight here recently also converted to islam and joined the group in syria said he doesn't even care if his parents were killed because they are infidels. that shows you the level of radicalization is extremely high and so should be our security level. >> jonathan, we don't know what was behind the attacks again today. let me emphasize that. on october 8th, nbc news reported, isis imitators discussed it in canada. and the canadian authorities heard would be terrorists discussing isis inspired knife and gun attacks against u.s. and canadian targets inside canada. so those plans were supposed to be in the aspirational stage. but could the incidents this week be linked to that intelligence? >> you never know.

they need to go back and look at this suspect who has been identified as michael joseph hall. 32 years old. he took on the name michael zehaf-bibeau. and he apparently has a drug history. so they're going back. they're going to look at his computers, whether he was inspired by any of this online propaganda. why did everything carry out this attack on parliament and shoot that soldier. what is clear is there is a lot of online propaganda. people learning from this stuff. and as it appears in past cases, some people have acted on it. that is a concern. the warnings go out because the threat is real. we had a recent case in long isle. two gentlemen inspired online trying to go overseas to yemen. both home grown americans who converted to islam and were

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earlier in the week we learn he said he was nearful for his life. the st. louis post dispatch has new details from a source with knowledge of officer wilson's statements, reportedly officer wilson says brown instigated the initial struggle in the police car claiming, quote, brown slammed its door shut and punched wilson in the left side of the face through the open window. the report also details what wilson that afterwards. he said wilson stopped and turned around. and wilson told investigators, brown began running toward him. wilson said he had yelled for brown to stop. then fired.

brown flinched as if he were hit and wilson said he had stopped shooting. brown continued running toward him and wilson said he had fired several more shots. this is a very key claim. darren wilson is saying, michael brown kept charging at him. but at least eight eyewitnesses dispute that claim. what does this new account mean for the investigation? and what happens next? joining me now, the former u.s. attorney kendall coffee and trial attorney, seema. thank you both for being here. >> what questions do you have about officer wilson's account? >> i think the clear thing is that he has a very detailed explanation of what that inside the car. whereas we know, there is no living witness that can contradict what he's saying. the critical facts of what happened outside the car, which is where michael brown was

killed, seemed to support a view that there is a contradiction. does that mean there is nothing prior? absolutely not. it doesn't matter if there are different witnesses with different accounts. who is credible? who has a motive to lie. who is corroborated by the forensics. here we have spontaneous witnesses that seem to directly corroborate what the officer is saying. if prosecutors are willing to accept that testimony, it means a couple things. one interesting officer could be considered to be lying if they accept the independent witness account. secretarily his false testimony would be evidence of guilt. but additionally it would indicate that independent witnesses say whatever ham inside the car, if somebody is trying to surrender outside the car, you can't kill them. if you do, it is a crime. >> i have to enlighten you on

the ugly truth of being a defense attorney. this is what we do. we have the forensics, the autopsy, the police reports. then we sit down with our client and we prep them. do you see where i'm going? his entire story matches up with the independent evidence. i agree, there are some conflicts between the eight eyewitnesses. yet, darren wilson, he admits what he has to admit. for instance, he says that the final shot that michael brown's head was down. because he cannot get away from that. that is part of the autopsy. he says such self-serving gratuitous comments which i think that defendant who's are lying say. he says at one point, he almost lost consciousness. >> let me just be frank. are you saying he might have been coached? >> he has to be coaxed. that's our job. he has to be coached by his defense attorney. let's say others don't have the ability to be coached 18 hours a

day by a team of defense attorneys. okay? and he will be coached on even crying to the grand juriors, showing emotion and then feeding every single detail to the narrative. >> you've been a prosecutor. at least eyewitnesses have said he was not charging officer wilson. he said brown did not rush the officer. a construction worker who did live in the community that there was no bull rush. and piaget said that too. those are different accounts than what officer wilson is saying. >> very different and certainly compelling for prosecution if there were a will to bring prosecution. >> you're talking about providing a will by the local district attorney who many of us

said in the beginning, we did not have a lot of confidence in. >> absolutely. if you put a well prepared police officer with a well prepared explanation in front of a grand jury without a well prepared cross-examination, then you're not going to get nine out of 12 grand jurors to vote to indict. >> that's exactly it. what kendall is saying, the prosecutor isn't cross examining mr. wilson properly, he won't get indicted. in a 70% white county. >> if he didn't want to indict him, he probably wouldn't. if he did, certainly when you have eight witnesses saying something different, most of whom did not know each other. two of which were men that were not even in the community. they were construction work here's happened to be observing. and not even of the same racial group -- >> that's right. >> saying things that

corroborate this. then you can proceed. because help me out here. because i think, a lot of people get confused. a grand jury doesn't try the case. the grand jury says, there's enough probable cause to go to trial. if you've got eight witnesses that corroborate many key factors against one witness, which is the officer, if you want to proceed, you clearly have enough to proceed. am i right? >> you're exactly right. it is about probable cause which does not require a detailed consideration of the defense evidence. is there enough probable cause to make out a prosecution case? somehow as you point out, that's been lost in this process. that's why the opportunity for prosecution may be being lost in front of the local grand jury. >> which brings us to the federal grand jury. because i think a lot of people understand, many. us have openly said the federal government should do it again. let the evidencing where it may. but let's have a fair process.

>> eric holder prompted the investigation way before any other attorney would have gotten involved. i'm saying where does civil rights come in. you do not need race. excessive force is a violation of civil rights. you could argue that shooting several times after -- >> i agree with that. what happened in the car has to be look at separate and apart from when michael brown ran away. the events stopped. a new event starts when michael brown runs away. then the question becomes, was it excessive force for officer wilson to shoot at michael brown during that second event? was that excessive force? >> and that's where you have a lot of witnesses. don't you also have the situation here where if this

prosecutor, mr. mccouple off, who many have questioned from the beginning, and the family has questioned from the beginning. don't you really have the question of, if he does not indict as many expected, and if he does not go forward, then he is really saying that we in this country can have the possibility of eight people saying something? and one policeman can say no, they're wrong, and we go with that? isn't that a bad press dental to have in the system no matter what your view of the case? >> well, it certainly would be something that could be troubling for a lot of reasons. i wanted to get back to the point just made. when we talk about a civil rights violation, you don't to have prove a hate crime. it means you have to source lethal force with a sufficient degree of intentioniality. and if an officer killed somebody, visually clear was trying to surrender, that sounds like a pretty good case for

intentional use of excessive force. >> send me your questions. and many of us only want to see a fair, impartial investigation. and let the evidence lead where it may but not see it in any way tainted by politics. thank you for your time tonight. >> thanks, revv. coming up, brand new video on what appears to show the shooter getting into a car today. (receptionist) gunderman group. gunderman group is growing. getting in a groove. growth is gratifying. goal is to grow. gotta get greater growth. i just talked to ups. they got expert advise, special discounts, new technologies. like smart pick ups. they'll only show up when you print a label and it's automatic. we save time and money. time? money? time and money. awesome.

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we saw some frightening moments in ottawa today inside the heart of the canadian government. the parliament building. you could not be near a tv today without feeling the anxiety. watching events unfold in real-time. >> there was a guy with a rifle just around on the back corner. just p.o.w., p.o.w.! >> i look across the street and there's a man with a rifle shooting at a bunch of people. >> we saw a woman take cover. her kids were inside. >> a day that changes everything. >> everybody was just in shock. couldn't believe that something like this could just happen or be real. it was just beyond realism. >> it was beyond realism. make no mistake, these are frightening scenes and we must stay vigilant. at the same time, we can't get

into fear and we can't allow our leaders to create policy based on panic. that would be a betrayal of our best values. thanks for watching. i'm al sharpton. "hardball" starts right now. terrorists without borders. this is "hardball." >> good evening. i'm chris matthews. in washington, today terrorism struck to the north in ottawa, the capital of canada. a gunman shot and killed a soldier standing guard at the country's war memorial. he then entered the nearby parliament building and opened fire. here's what it looked and sounded like. [ gunfire ]