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a story we broke here on this broadcast yesterday. a determined parliament is back in session now. there's a live picture. at any moment, expect to hear from the canadian prime minister steven harper. this after we learned this morning that police in ottawa now believe a sole gunman was involved in the deadly attack at the national war memorial, and on the parliament building. a short time ago harper joined canadian soldiers and citizens gathered at the war memorial to remember certificate i will oh. he was gunned down, point blank range, by a gunman carrying a rifle. the shooter seen here in this witness cell phone video is identified as joseph michael hall, also known as michael zehaf-bibeau, recent convert to islam. this photo circulated by the islamic media, not confirmed by msnbc, may be the gunman. suspect considered so radical and dangerous, the canadian government pulled his passport after the deadly attack on the war memorial.
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the gunman got in a car and drove to parliament hill. and it is there he stormed into the parliament building, exchanging multiple gunshots with authorities. look at the chaotic scene caught on camera. it ended after he was shot and killed by sergeant-at-arms, former mount ee. joining me live, josh win grove to covers parliament for the globe. he was inside the building. good morning. >> good morning. how are you? >> want to start with incredible video. what was going through your mind. >> this is after the first round of gunfire, that's what set everything off. i poked my head around from t the al cove, saw smoke, gun powder, saw guards with guns drawn, and that was after the first sort of volley of gunfire. i came around the corner, shot that. you can see guards are advancing forward. it is called the hall of honor,
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a major promenade, backbone of the parliament building, and they're moving forward. on the left is the room the prime minister would have been in, the right where the other party that was having its meeting. would have been 300 through the doors in total. one other turn may have ended things differently. it ended with as you see an unbelievable amount of gunfire at the end in front of the library of parliament, the shooter slumped on the ground. the whole thing unfolded so quickly. it was a blur on what began as otherwise a totally routine, ordinary day here. >> josh, i want to take some live shots, this is happening as we speak at the parliament building, getting under way, the procession to enter the actual chambers. tell me a little about today. we have been hearing from government officials, saying canadaintimidated.
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parliament is in session. >> there was a question, what happened, the logistics are worth considering here. the building has a lot of doors broken down. they went through searching. you're not only asking people to come back, mps and staff to come back and work, but it is tough. >> watching live images. the sergeant-at-arms is the one that was the hero in all of this. he is the one that shot the gunman. i want to live this with you live. [ applause ]
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stand for, i know we will always stand together. >> translator: mr. speaker, today more than ever before i am very happy to see all of my colleagues from all parties in good health across the aisles. maybe use that, mr. speaker, through you to provide a little bit of advice to my colleagues, i think my position and growing number of gray hairs entitles me to do this once in a while, and that is just to say we all here are engaged in extremely demanding and stressful jobs but the stress that many of you faced with yesterday was really beyond and above anything that
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any of us are really expecting to face. i will say while we resume our duties and we will talk about that in a moment, i would encourage everybody here to take care of their health. be sure that you find some time to relax in the next little while. and also if any of you, because we are not all in perfect health, if any of you are experiencing any undue physical stress as a result of what occurred yesterday, please take the time to see a physician and get that checked out. [ applause ] i also just want to say to canadians, we heard a lot of feedback from canadians yesterday. we are all used to the feedback we get regularly from canadians. much of it in the form of brit backs, and some of it deserved. in this case, mr. speaker, i think we all experienced a
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tremendous outpouring of warmth, affection and good wishes from people across the country and thank them all of us. [ applause ] i just also want to convey all of the good wishes that i heard personally, not just from canadians but from our friends outside the country. i heard from president obama, from prime minister abbott, from prime minister netanyahu, through statement from prime minister cameron. we heard these expressions across the world. i think we were all as canadians by the wonderful gesture shown last night at the penguins hockey game. thanks to our friends from around the world. [ applause ] of course, mr. speaker, we know
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all too well that this is not a happy day for everybody, in particular terribly sad day for all of the family, loved ones, friends, colleagues of both nathan cirillo and -- [ speaking foreign language ] >> translator: we have seen photos of those lovely men. pictures of beautiful guys. our hearts are with all of them. we are so fortunate to have people like that. we see around the world increasing places where the planet is descending into savagery. people who every day of their lives stand on guard for this
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country and for all of us and we obviously want to convey gratitude to these serviceman and their families, but also to all of the people that undertake extremely dangerous work. [ applause ] mr. speaker, i spoke of the state of much of the world. and i think for all of us who are blessed to live in a country like this it is hard to appreciate, understand, fathom how we can have people who so
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despise, are involved in a movement, who so want violence, who so despise modernity, who so hate progress that they can desire to drive out medical workers from their community, harm them, how they can enslave women, torture children, how they can kill, want to kill anyone who looks or thinks different than them. it is in a sense, mr. speaker, beyond our comprehension, but it is very real. and in this struggle in which we are engaged, in which not only our finest values must be pushed to work, so must be and will be the highest unity and resolve. they are our ultimate and indispensable weapons, and
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that's what these people will face. [ applause ] >> translator: mr. speaker, as regards the events of yesterday and in recent days, many questions remain unanswered and during the course of police investigations we will find answers to these questions. however, i can tell the house this today, the objective of these attacks was to instill fear and panic in our country and to interrupt the business of government. well, members, as i said yesterday, canadians will not be intimidated. [ applause ]
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>> we will be vigilant but we will not run scared. we will be prudent but we will not panic. and as for the business of government, well, here we are, in our seats, in our chamber, in the very heart of our democracy and our world. [ applause ] >> translator: mr. speaker, this house in its diversity personifies canada's spirit. >> the house of commons will carry on. we will attend to the country's
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affairs and we will be faithful to the trust that people have placed in us. now, mr. speaker, as i said earlier, and i have been saying for a long time we live in a dangerous world. terrorism has been here with us for awhile and dangerously close on a number of occasions. i speak, for example, i draw members' attention back to incidents such as the toronto 18, the conspiracy in 2013, and i could point to a number of others as well as many that most will never know about. for that reason and with the belief insecurity that canada is the government's primary responsibility, we have over the years passed such legislation as the combatting terrorism act and the strengthening canadian citizenship act to better protect canadians and secure institutions. last week, our government proposed amendments, legislation under which the canadian security intelligence service operates. and as you know, mr. speaker, in
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recent weeks i have been saying that our laws and police powers need to be strengthened in the area of surveillance, detention and arrest. they need to be much strengthened. and i assure you, mr. speaker, that work which is already under way will be expedited. [ applause ] in conclusion, mr. speaker, we're all aware and deeply troubled that both of this week's terrorist attacks were carried out by canadian citizens, by young men born and raised in this peaceful country. >> translator: i share this concern and wonder what weakness could lead someone to reject
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nationality that so many people in so many countries want for their children. >> that is a question for another day. but make no mistake, even as our armed forces are taking this fight to the terrorists on their own territory, we are equally resolved to take it on here. we live in dangerous times, but the mission of the country and the works of the parliament goes on, so does the work throughout this city. let me just say one final word, in recognizing all of the heroics of yesterday. first of all, i know so many, i could certainly speak personally to my staff at 24 sussex. >> the chefs, tim and tina who were up all night, i know people who for all of us across the country and here in ottawa were working day and night to make things as easy as possible. officials who were busy at work,
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trying to respond to the situation. first responders and citizens who put themselves in harm's way when this incident began to unfold. but obviously, mr. speaker, and in conclusion, most particularly the men and women of our security services, royal canadian mounted police, armed forces, city of ottawa police, and most particularly, mr. speaker, would be very remiss if i did not recognize the great work of the people in parliament and great work of our sergeant-at-arm
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myself to be here today and to speak in this house. yesterday a shooter came here and tried to silence us. he tried to silence the values that our country represents, peace, tolerance, and diversity. mr. speaker, he failed. [ applause ] mr. speaker, this cowardly act was meant to shake this great city of ottawa and indeed the entire country, but it has only hardened our resolve. [ applause ] it only strengthened our commitment to each other and to
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a peaceful world. now, let us not become more suspicious of our neighbors. let's not be driven by fear, because in canada love always triumphs over hate. to the family of corporal nathan cirillo, please know that the thoughts and prayers of every single member of this house and of every single canadian are with you today. [ applause ] officer cirillo was a young man, just 24, with a beautiful son and bright future ahead of him. friends say he always had a smile on his face. that smile would be remembered by a nation. >> translator: i also need to salute my friend, the sergeant-at-arms, kevin vickers.
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[ applause ] >> translator: and i ask him on behalf of all of us to thank all of the members of his team on the hill, the police forces and canadian armed forces. we don't know the names of all of the heroes from yesterday, but we all saw heroic gestures here in this place yesterday. [ applause ] including a member of mr. vickers' team who was projected against the door with the shooter on the other side, telling us to get down while he was still standing up.
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the courage and the professionalism that they showed faced with this brutality shows the best about canadians. thank you to our canadian forces, this week you have had to face two incredible tragedies. every day you defend the canadian values. and today all canadians are with you. [ applause ] >> the leader of the opposition in parliament in canada in a bilingual way as they do government work in canada legally and officially, recognizing the efforts of the men and women of law enforcement in canada that were so instrumental in dealing with a very difficult situation here yesterday. you saw here yesterday in canada, one man entering parliament building and going on
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a shooting rampage, being brought down finally by the sergeant-at-arms, kevin vickers who you have seen has been recognized throughout the morning. pretty historic, extraordinary images we are seeing live in canada. want to bring back josh wingrove, and joining me, don better elly, former fbi official and from security con superdelegate tan see. trains and advises governments and companies. gentlemen, as we watch the images, josh, what a moment in parliament to witness especially opening minutes of nonstop standing ovation for kevin vickers. >> yeah, i think you heard a lot of phrasing around sort of you haven't weakened our resolve, the fact that parliament returned today underscores that. remember, the building they're in is the site of yesterday's attack, or one of the attacks. a lot of the building has been damaged throughout that, both during the attack and the
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search. to come back now, it underscores the seriousness that this issue has been taken with here in ottawa. yesterday was just a horrifying day i think for a lot of people. a lot of mps clapping in that room were there when the police finally shot the shooter there, they had firsthand experience and given that, they're back in their seats today, and i think it goes to show their resolve. >> yeah. and don, let's talk about the news aspect of this. i mean, officials are now saying they believe it was just one gunman with no accomplice. is this significant? >> well, i think there's a lot of investigation yet to be done. clearly it seems there was one person for yesterday's incident, but what is the circle around this individual. did he have anybody motivating him. did he have somebody helping him get the weapon or plan what he
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was going to do. these questions are what investigators will be asking in days to come. and we'll learn more. clearly this has the footprint if you will of what we have talked about as a lone wolf terrorist. >> yet inspired by groups like isis. >> highly likely. >> probably some communication do you think? >> we don't know. that's another thing the authorities will look at to see if there was actually communication or was he just at home by himself watching these videos that isis uses to motivate these young men and women in some cases to travel and join the fight. >> does he fit into a profile, this young man? >> it is hard to say. i think we will be learning more about him. one of the things we've seen about people that want to leave the comforts of their home and go join the fight, they're all very different. some are high school sports stars, and on early accounts this individual came from a good home with a good family, had an
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education. so we will see. what was the trigger, tipping point that convinced him it was time to leave up to the point that the authorities pulled his passport to prevent him going. >> this is the image we believe is the shooter. josh, three days ago, another muslim convert killed a soldier. are home grown radicals answering a call to stage terrorist attacks in canada? >> we have two cases so far, it is early to say. we don't know conclusively what links these. you heard them say they were canadian born radicalized guys that carried out these attacks. it is almost an outsourcing thing, if they were inspired by isis or isil videos, the motivation is not just hey, come fight in syria or iraq, it is do what you can with where you are. that's what the call has been. that's what we saw on monday in
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the attack with a car. now the attack with what looked like a rifle or long gun here. i think clearly we're going to have review of whether canada is prepared for this. they started by seizing passports, say they didn't have enough grounds to lay charges against them, hold them. even yesterday they were talking about before the attack, the measure might be raising powers to monitor them, but still not hold them. i think canada is gripped with debate over what to do. if you know or suspect a guy is about to do bad things and you reveal that you know that to him, seize his passport, and have no way to track or hold him, raises some questions i think. >> don, is there concern about copy cats, about people, canada or here, seeing that and maybe -- >> sure. you saw the fbi put out the alert to all field offices, and clearly the notion of a copy cat. but fbi offices around the country are dealing with this every day. they have been dealing with it before the canadian incident.
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it is one of our biggest fears that somebody is going to be kind of off the radar, but yet getting motivated, watching videos, and whatever else is going on in that person's life, and one day decide to go on personal jihad, using a gun or car. and they have been off the radar until they act. this is a very difficult problem for law enforcement. >> thank you both so much for being with me this morning. we're going to take a short break. coming up, much more from ottawa where it has been an incredible scene at the opening of canadian parliament. we heard from the prime minister and minute long ovation for the sergeant-at-arms. we will be right back. [ applause ] to 12 mice, faster than d-con. what will we do with all of these dead mice? tomcat presents dead mouse theatre. hey, ulfrik!
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we sit across the aisle from one another, but when faced with attacks on the country we all love and the things we all stand for, i know we will always stand together. [ applause ] >> canadian prime minister stephen harper moments ago speaking on this day back in parliament, 24 hours after a shooting ram wage. neil bloom and christopher dickey from the daily beast. canadian officials were reportedly monitoring both suspects, revoked both men's passports. what does it mean if acts of terrorism are still happening, a target like this zblt fact they're being monitored is partly because they either expressed some radical ideas or
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in this particular case some affinity with isil and their ideology. and i almost wonder if in revoking the passport because he was intending on leaving whether, you know, his response then was okay, i can't leave, i am going to do something locally, which is what isis is telling people to do, act locally if they can't get to syria. >> christopher, you blogged that these attacks, i am quoting you, following the isis play book to the letter. how? christopher, can you hear me? i think we're having problems with christopher. it is a live shot from paris. we will reestablish that. mia, back to you. an update today on the three colorado school girls caught on their way to syria. reportedly researched and planned this over the internet. explain how online recruitment works. >> one of the things that i've
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been watching for the last few months and i have been writing about it is that the terrorist groups in iraq and rack a have been women to recruit other women. partly it is because the girls are less likely to be resistant to a message coming from another woman. so we have people that are active in getting other young women to come to syria, as well as another canadian woman. >> talk to me about -- you mentioned something a few seconds ago had me thinking. you said the fact that his passport was withdrawn maybe had a negative effect on how he reacted and decided to act internally. how do you balance that? >> well, one of the things that chris blogged about in the play book follows exactly what we're seeing on social media where she said attack if you have an opportunity to attack soldiers
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in canada, australia or in france, really you should do it. and it follows very similar from what and war alack ee encouraged people to do in terms of being a self starter jihadi. this is why we have someone that may have been mentally ill, engaging in violent attacks, and being a self starter or a lone actor terrorist, lone wolf terrorist. >> i have christopher dickey back directly from paris. christopher, you blogged that these attacks are quote following the isis play book to the letter. what do you mean? >> i mean there was actually an address to the followers of isis that was made on september 21st where the guy who was a spokesman for isis said look, do anything you can any way you can to attack, where?
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in canada, france, united kingdom, united states, australia. if you can't get a gun, if you can't get a bomb, lure people aside, bash in their heads with a rock, run them over with a car, do whatever it takes. that's exactly what isis is asking its sympathizers to do. i think there's a mistake in a lot of analysis that's going on, not on your program, jose, but a lot of analysis wants to find some direct causative chain of command that links these people in canada to some master mind in raqqa or mosul. that's not the way it is going to go. isis is trying to inspire followers wherever they can find them. i think you lost me again. >> christopher dickey, right in the french capital. thank you so much. this is live television, this is not across the corner, this is from paris. and mia, thank you so much for being with me. we are taking a short break.
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well, knowing gives you confidence. start building your confident retirement today. we continue to watch developments out of ottawa, canada in the aftermath of a terrorist attack there. it put police here in new york on alert, sending specialized teams to the consulate general of canada, but police cautioning there have not been threats made against any new york locations. joining me to talk about the canada attack with some other news is new york democratic congressman charlie rangel. pleasure to see you, congressman. >> excited to be here. >> thank you so much. let's talk about the developing story, attack on parliament. when you see what happens there, what's your reaction to it? >> the terrorists want us to get fright end, upset. not the number of people they kill, it is the number of people they scare. i was pleased to see our
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canadian sister country feels like america, and that is that we're not going to be intimidated, if we are making mistakes that have to be corrected in terms of security, we have to do it, but who could be more proud of america than after we were struck for the first time in 9/11. brought us together like we had never been together before. and it just bothers me, jose, that america is being sucked into a problem that the muslims have within, and i don't see the leadership of the muslim religion or all religions for that matter taking away from these people who are just haters of a good life and allowing them to use the muslim religion as an excuse for the terrorism they cause. >> that's interesting, congressman. the pope has said in some moments it is moral to fight evil, yet what would you like to
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see, for example, i don't know, muslims or others say or do that they're not doing now? >> i wish everybody would be concerned about the pope like you and i are. there's not enough pope in everybody, jew, gentile, protestant, catholic. i would see for organized relationship that have a mysterious relationship with allah, jesus, god, to do the same thing that isis an isil is doing, demonstrate how good it is to be in democracies, freedom, respect for each other, and that people that act this way should be ostracized, first by the cancer they're spreading in their own religion, but by all religions who could be effected by the abuse of an actual faith and belief of god. there's a vacuum there. and if you didn't mention the pope, i would say there would be a complete vacuum there. this should bring together, as it brings together all
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minorities and recognizing just how horrific this group is, it should bring together religions as well. >> meanwhile, we are seeing a battle in kobani, seeing baghdad being surrounded, seeing threats on the green zone in baghdad by isis. what do you think we as a government should be doing and are we doing enough? >> well, one thing, i don't see where that's a threat to our national security. >> isil in syria and iraq? >> no, i don't see it as a threat to our national -- there is a cancer in this part of the world and it is true that america and probably europe -- not with standing that, it appears as though there could be overall a threat, not directly to us, but for us to be involved in a military way, i don't see how in the heck that's going to resolve. >> you don't support the bombings, for example? >> of course not, of course not.
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you bomb when you're at war with the country. you're not at war with the country -- >> but these guys have killed two american journalists and they're threatening to kill many more. >> sounds very emotional, but do you have any idea who the drones and bombs we're dropping are killing? i challenge you to tell me who are they killing? we haven't the slightest idea. we talk about rebels and the enemy, it is amazing something in the new yorker, what kind of rebel are you, how much are you paid, which side, have you got u.s. weapons, you surrender them, listen, it is a confusing thing and if indeed the president and those who support him in terms of this war, if they're right, bring it to the congress and convince the united states of america that there's a threat to our national security, and when you do that, be prepared to pay for it, be prepared to make a sacrifice. have a mandatory military so we all share in defending ourselves and also pay for it with a war
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i want to take you back to ottawa, the parliament there in session, in the same place where one day ago members were taking cover from an active shooter. joining me from ottawa, our correspondent with canada's global national. thank you for being with me. what's the scene there in parliament? >> reporter: it is interesting, one i've never seen before, jose. we heard from the prime minister this morning who addressed parliament. we heard from both opposition leaders, the message, we can't be intimidated by what's happening, and getting focused
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on getting back to work. trying to keep things as normal as possible, but clearly aren't normal at all right now. >> i want to show some pictures you took yesterday during the attack, and the hero, there were so many heroes in the story. the sergeant-at-arms no doubt is the key person that helped bring this shooter down. >> he definitely is. it is an amazing story. i have seen the gentleman, kevin vickers, can't tell you how many times, doing my work every day in parliament. he is sort of the silent type, you see him in a ceremonial capacity. yesterday he was anything but, taking down the suspect himself. today there was a sustained standing ovation in parliament. it was honestly something to see. tried to take it in, he is definitely being recognized by the prime minister, by canadians and all politicians as a real hero. you saw him standing there stoically. a little watering in his eyes,
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but not much more. he is a truly humble person. anyone that knows him says that. as you said, unsung hero at this time. >> and quickly, 24 hours later how do you feel? how do canadians feel? >> reporter: that's a great question. i don't even know if i know at this point. yesterday was crazy. i've never experienced anything like it, and i think we all feel different. we're committed to moving forward, but until we figure out exactly what happened and more on this idea of home grown radicalism and what we can do to try to stop it, if anything at all, everyone including myself is definitely a bit unsettled. >> thank you so much for being with me today. really appreciate your time. that wraps up this hour on msnbc. thank you for the privilege of your time. i'll see you tomorrow from miami. news nation with tamron hall is up next. see you tomorrow.
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good morning, i am tamron hall, this is "news nation." we have a live look at canada's parliament which is back in session this morning, after a gunman opened fire, killing a soldier and triggering a lockdown. stephen harper just addressed the chamber. >> when faced with attacks on the country, we all love, and the things we all stand for, i know we will always stand together. we will be vigilant, but we will not run scared. we will be prudent, but we will not panic. and as for the business of government, well, here we are, in our seats, in our chamber, in the very heart of our democracy and our world. >> as the session convened, the sergeant-at-arms, kevin vicker, who is hailed a hero after
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rushing to stop the gunman got a rousing ovation from the chamber. and we have new video obtained by cbc which shows vickers inside the chamber yesterday with his gun drawn in the moments after the shooting, and this morning we are learning more about the gunman. canadian television broadcast this video of the suspect, believed to be michael joseph hall. nbc news has not independently verified the picture, saying he recently converted to islam, went by the name michael zehaf-bibeau. a bystander captured this video of the suspect not far from parliament. u.s. and canadian investigators are trying to determine his motive and if he was inspired by isis. last night, prime minister harper described him as a terrorist. this morning, harper visited the national war memorial where the suspect gunned down
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