minnesota, good to have you with us tonight, joe. appreciate your time. that's the ed show. "politicsnation" with reverend al sharpton starts right now. good evening, rev. >> thanks to you for tuning in, i'm live from nashville, tennessee tonight. breaking news tonight, a potential ebola case in new york city. at this moment, a doctor who recently treated ebola patients in west africa, and returned just ten days ago, is in an isolation unit at bellevue hospital undergoing testing for the ebola virus. the man is dr. craig spencer, a 33-year-old emergency medicine expert, who is working with doctors without borders in guinea. before leaving for africa, he wrote on facebook, quote, off to guinea with doctors without borders. please support organizations that are sending support, or

personnel to west africa, and help combat one of the worst public health and humanitarian disasters in recent history. according to the "new york times," since his return to the u.s., dr. spencer has been taking his own temperature out of an abundance of caution, given his close contact with ebola patients. on tuesday, he began to feel sluggish. but he did not develop a fever until this morning. at 11:00 this morning, dr. spencer found that he had 103-degree fever, and alerted the staff of doctors without borders. "the times" reports emergency medical workers, wearing full personal, protective gear, rushed to his harlem apartment, and he was transported to bellevue hospital around 1:00 p.m. these pictures appear to show the ambulance and first responders.

preliminary test results expected by late tonight or early tomorrow morning. and moments ago, new york city mayor bill de blasio addressed the city. >> we have a patient now at bellevue, who is being assessed for the possibility of ebola. tests are under way. at some point this evening, maybe very late, we'll be able to provide the public with information on the results. very important for the public to know that every protocol has been followed and our emergency personnel, our health care personnel have responded admirably in this situation. >> again, it's important to note, we don't know if the patient has ebola, but he is in isolation at new york city's top hospital for ebola. awaiting results of tests. joining me now, dr. corey hebert, assistant professor at lsu health sciences center and tulane university medical center.

and dr. natalie azar, a clinical professor in the department of medicine at nyu langon medical center. thank you both for being here. >> thank you. >> thank you. dr. azar, new york health officials are taking this very seriously. your reaction? >> well, i'm pleased to see this is exactly the scenario that we've been anticipating and have been planning for now for the last few weeks. of course with the benefit of hindsight and what happened in the dallas case, i like to see that every step of the protocol has been followed and that starts with the health care worker himself doing monitoring and checking daily temperatures twice a day and alerting authorities at the first sign of symptoms. >> the "new york times" is reporting that dr. spencer told authorities that he did not believe the protective gear he

was wearing, while he was working with ebola patients, had been breached. if that is the case, if his equipment wasn't breached, how could he have contracted this disease? >> well, this doesn't surprise me. we've heard this on a few cases. we heard this already with dr. kent brantly and nancy writebol. neither of them knew how they contracted it and they were following protocol too. it just goes to show you that nothing is foolproof. we can train and retrain and follow the steps as precisely as possible, but there's still a risk of transmission. and it just goes to show how significantly contagious this virus is. most people are not aware of how they breach the protocol. that's what we've been hearing. but we know as we demonstrated on this show, taking off the protective gear is a dicey proposition and certainly transmission happens that way. >> in a statement today, the health department's team of

disease detectives immediately began to trace all of the patient's contacts to identify anyone who may be at potential risk. the health department has established protocols to identify, notify, and if necessary, quarantine any contacts of ebola crisis. there were some reports that the patient might have had contacts in the last few days. he took a car too and from brooklyn. where he went bowling and authorities are considering evacuating his apartment building. how can all these people be traced down, if he made all these contacts? >> contact tracing is something that was used even in dallas. first of all, coming into new york city with a disease like ebola, that could really be a bad thing.

with the close quarters, it's a big deal. i'm not for a travel ban, but it seems like with people coming back that are working with ebola patients, i may be in favor of having a 21-day quarantine on people coming back from western africa, coming back into the united states. because, you have to think about, once you get back to the united states, until you have symptoms, you're not contagious, but if you have symptoms while you're at starbucks, right, what happens? then if you start coughing on the way out of starbucks, that's an issue. we're not fear mongering there, because i don't think that would be something that could actually cause a transmission, but what it could do is cause people to have fear and that irrational fear could make people have really bad decisions. >> dr. azar, if he was all right last night, if he went bowling last night and he was all right, then does that mean he's all right. that maybe he's just having a bad experience. i mean, what does this mean?

>> there's two questions in that, one is that the people he was around last night, if he was truly asymptomatic, meaning that he wasn't having a high fever and he wasn't having nausea and vomiting, as far as we've heard, then the risk of him exposing the people he was around yesterday is quite low. could he have another disease? he could have a stomach bug, he could have malaria. he could have any number of viral diseases and tropical fevers and things like that that he could have acquired in west africa. so again, he represents a patient or a person who we have a very high index of suspicion for, a health care worker who was in the country of origin, with symptoms. and i think that everything has been done appropriately, and i think that we will see that if he does, in fact, turn out to be positive, that the proper steps were taken. the contact tracing will work. think about the members of the patient in dallas who were in close contact with him when he

was sick and they have completed their 21-day incubation period and are disease-free. >> yeah, i think that's a great point. because, dr. hebert, it's not easy to, talking about fear-mongering. it's not like you can just easily get ebola. and the four patients that have been declared ebola-free, including the nbc cameraman now, they're all out of the hospital. nurse amber vinson is still in the hospital, but reportedly there's no sign of ebola in her blood. and nurse nina pham is in good condition. one patient has died in the united states from ebola and that's thomas duncan, but the rest seem to be all right. what does this say about how treatable it is? >> well, that's one thing we always have to remember, is that, we don't know how this was breached. we know that it is treatable. we know that any country with any type of financial support,

can get rid of this, nigeria got rid of it. we've had 27 outbreaks all over the world in the last 27-something years and they've gotten rid of it. so we can get rid of it. the issue is the transmission and the fear. i always would like to say, though, i'd like to bring the facts, reverend al. we have had cases where the semen of the patient has been able to transmit ebola and we know that it's present in the semen. so you start thinking about these 21-day quarantines. we need to think about how long this will live in someone and think about some of the other things that are out there, because the odds are, this person does not have ebola. the odds are this person has the flu. but at the same time, we have to prepare for the worst, because that's the last thing we need is another case of ebola, especially in new york city. >> no problem with that at all. i agree with you. but i also think, you know, we've got to point out the difference between mr. duncan in dallas and between this doctor.

duncan went to the hospital with a 103-degree fever and was not treated. >> correct. >> this patient -- this man has been treated and has become a patient. is that not part of the difference, being prepared and treating people equally? >> it's absolutely part of the equation. mr. duncan lost a good 72 hours of potential care and it may or may not have made a difference. we can't say for sure one way or the other. but we know that intervening early in this disease can certainly increase your chances of survival. i'd like to say, the idea of quarantining everyone who had potential exposure is really not re realistic. it sounds like someone wants to make an ebola island and not have any of these people come back and live their lives. the health care work did what he was instructed to do, and that is to self-monitor. in the vast majority of cases, nobody is going to get sick, but in the cases that do, he did

what he was supposed to do, alerted authorities immediately, put himself out of circulation and doesn't put anybody else at risk. >> and the authorities did what they were supposed to do, they took him in and dealt with him. >> absolutely. >> yes, i'd like to say, i'm not trying to think that it's unrealistic to quarantine people that have a high index of suspicion for ebola transmission. meaning, if you are working with doctors without borders and you come back into the united states, i don't think it's unrealistic at all to say that you need to have a 21-day quarantine. i don't think that's unrealistic at all. >> okay. >> all right, dr. natalie azar and dr. corey hebert, thank you both for your time tonight. >> thank you. >> and we're certainly going to be watching and keeping up with this story. financing. your aspirations, our analytics. your goals, our technology. introducing synchrony financial,

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>> -- specific test required to vote or graduate. let us know. should you have to answer, i mean, the majority of these questions, if not by graduation of high school, but by the time you vote? >> i don't think as a general matter you should be encouraging people who don't know what they're voting for, to vote. >> somebody's making an effort. we had a poll the other day, it shows they're disinterested in these midterm elections. >> maybe they feel like government has failed them. >> do we want them to vote if they don't know the issues? >> no. >> it's crazy. but this is a growing trend on the right. this is an actual headline from the conservative national review. the trouble with early voting. the author wrote, quote, too much of anything can be bad. and on another one, five reasons why you're too dumb to vote. quote, voting is the most shallow gesture of citizenship

there is. and some officials are picking up on the idea. like in north carolina, where republicans are fighting to take an early voting site off a college campus. here's what's really going on. republicans are doing everything they can to discourage democrats from voting because senate races all across the country are still so close and democratic turn-out could make all the difference. can you believe this? it's strange, but it should only motivate you to get out and vote. joining me now, a former pennsylvania governor ed rendell and karen finney, thank you both for being here. >> my plez ur, rev. >> governor, claiming young people don't know the issues because they tend to vote for democrats. what's your reaction to that? >> well, the whole assault by the right is ludicrous. an intelligence test for voters. a test to see how well they know

the issues. it's like going back -- next thing they'll be proposing is a poll tax. i have a message for democratic voters, if you're not galvanized to get out and vote yet, this attempt to discourage you from exercising your franchise should fire you up. you should get out and vote just to show them that you have every right to vote. you don't have to be an expert to vote. you have to care about your country. and i would say that voting is the highest example of good citizenship. not the lowest, but the highest and most important. >> absolutely. you know, karen, you know, we know for years that there's been the real drive to have low turn-out. >> right. >> particularly republicans have tried all kind of maneuvers for that. check out this video from 1980 of activist paul way rick who

founded some really important conservative groups. >> i don't want everybody to vote. elections are not won by a majority of people. they never have been from the beginning of our country and they are not now. our leverage in the elections goes up as the voting populace goes down. >> so these new talks about civics tests and that everyone is not well informed enough to vote is just the latest chapter in the right's playbook. >> right. but i do love that fox news, apparently gets to decide who is smart enough to vote. the conservatives get to decide. this has been a part of the conservative playbook for a very long time. we know that because traditionally, in midterm elections, it's a smaller electorate. it tends to be more white males. whereas in presidential elections, more women actually tend to vote. i think what they're concerned about this time is that particularly in a number of these races, women, african americans, and latinos and young

voters, that obama coalition of voters, or the rising american electorate as people like to call it. if they turn out, they will make the difference in these elections. and i think in tandem with governor rendell's message, i just want people to know, if you show up to vote, you can impact and make a difference in the outcome of the election. the conservatives don't want people to get that message, because they're afraid of the impact that folks would have. >> you know, governor, there's still time in this race, and today we learned about a really controversial comment from iowa republican senate candidate, joni ernst. check this out. >> i have a beautiful little smith & wesson, nine millimeter, and it goes with me virtually everywhere, but i do believe in the right to carry, and i believe in the right to defend myself and my family, whether it's from an intruder, or whether it's from a government, should they decide that my

rights are no longer important. >> now, she said this two years ago, but we just found out about it today. she defends herself from the government. isn't this scary talk for a senate candidate, governor? >> it's scary talk for many americans, but from a senate candidate, from someone who wants to have a part in shaping our laws. look, the government is not the enemy. it's not the answer to all of our problems, but it sure as heck isn't the enemy. in many cases when government is well run, it can be an important factor in protecting our most vulnerable citizens and creating opportunities for all of us. we have to get that message across. and people like joni ernst, she has no business even running for office. >> you know, karen, i want to bring this up, it's very important, as we are 13 days away from the election. we are seeing some bright spots for democrats.

michelle nunn of georgia is up slightly in the polls. and dana millbank of "the washington post" had a great take on her race. he writes, nun, daughter of the legendary senate democratic centist sam nun, may yet lose the race, but she's doing far better than expected in a run despite the hostile year and terrain for democrats. a big reason for this, she's showing authenticity and courage at a time when both are in short supply among democratic candidates. i mean, karen, a big part of her courage, is that she's not trying to run from the president. why is that working? >> because, you know what, rev, people are so frustrated with government. it's not just that they're anti-government, as much as they want to see things get done. i listened to focus groups this week from women in two states, and they said, we're just tired of things not getting done. it feels inauthentic, they're just there to fight.

so to have a candidate who is authentic and sincere, and being herself, and as you point out, not running away from the president, perfectly comfortable standing up and saying, here's where i agree, here's where i disagree. voters like that. voters will support you, even if they disagree with you, if they believe you're standing on principles and your values. >> and they believe they can trust you. >> that's right. >> that's why, as i've traveled around in non-partisan voter turn-out rallies all over the country, i say to people, you've got to build the trust. but at the same time, governor, a lot of young people say to me, well, i don't know, reverend al, if my vote counts. i tell them, nobody tries to take this from you, they wouldn't be spending all this resources if something didn't matter. the fact they're doing this to try to stop you from voting must mean, it matters. >> no question. and that's the message. the message is, they desperately want you to stay home.

but i think democrats are getting a little backbone, maybe too late, but i hope not. alison grimes, who i like very much, but i criticize when she wouldn't say she voted for the president. she showed some backbone when she said she's not going to be the senator to vote to take health care away from half a million kentuckians. and that's right. we should be defending the great parts of obamacare. yes, there are parts that need fixing, but let's defend it. it's been an important plus for people. we're getting people off the rolls of being uninsured and that's vitally important. >> we need candidates with backbone. >> yep. >> if we get them, we'll -- >> we'll surprise a lot of people. >> that's right. >> ed rendell and karen finney, thank you for your time tonight. >> thanks, rev. coming up, leaks in the michael brown investigation. they have the attorney general exasperated. but what effect could they have on the case?

plus, it's the story dominating social media all week. renee zellweger responds to all the backlash about her appearance. is there a hollywood double standard? stay with us.

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department lawyers that he is, quote, exasperated with the selective flow of information coming out of missouri. calling it, quote, inappropriate and troubling. in recent days, the leaks have come in rapid fire. on saturday, the "new york times" printed officer darren wilson's side of the story. on wednesday, the st. louis post dispatch published additional details about his account. while also publishing the official autopsy. today officer darren wilson's attorney said, quote, we're not responsible for any leaks to any media. and the st. louis county prosecutor's office said, it's not coming from us or the grand jury. over the summer, the prosecutor said information wouldn't be coming out. >> we won't get updates, no. we can't release the information, the evidence that is presented to the grand jury while that is going on.

>> but it appears some information is coming out. and the justice department calls it "selective." this process needs to be transparent, with a consistent standard. tonight there are big questions about whether that is happening. joining me now is lisa bloom, attorney and legal analyst for avvo.com. thank you for being here, lisa. >> thank you. >> what are your concerns about these leaks? >> you know, the community in ferguson has been crying out for transparency since mike brown was shot 75 days ago. instead they got a police department who didn't do a report. never had a statement from darren wilson on what happened. and the prosecutor chose to go by way of a grand jury which is secret, rather than filing charges himself. to add insult to injury, now they are selectively leaking only information that's unfavorable to mike brown and favorable to darren wilson, and we haven't heard a single leak,

for example, about any of the six people who have said publicly that mike brown was shot with his hands in the air in the universal sign of surrender. that's the concern. >> let's go step by step, because here's what we have not scene, what has not been released. the ferguson police department use of force report, we've not seen. crime scene eyewitness accounts. officer darren wilson's initial statement to police we've not seen. officer wilson's medical report. the st. louis county police department incident report. i mean, all of these things we've not seen, which are pretty much standard in some cases. only thing we've seen are selective things that seem to favor mr. wilson. >> right. and then you add to that, there's also a layer in some of these reports of outsiders jumping into conclusions. for example, that because there was a close-range shot to mike brown's hand, therefore he was

reaching for the gun, when in fact, there are many possible conclusions. we've known for a long time that there was a scuffle at the car. mike brown's friend said that darren wilson was trying to pull him in, and he was trying to pull away. he could have been shot at close range, and that story is true. he could have been shot at close range because he was reaching for the gun, that's darren wilson's story, or because the gun went off in the scuffle, which is also something that darren wilson appears to say in one of these statements. it's not conclusive proof of any one thing. >> but if you look at the headlines by some, it says conclusively that this corroborates the policeman's story when it does not. it means he was shot at close range. i think it was aaron johnson, the friend walking with michael brown, he said on this show, weeks before we heard anything from darren wilson, that there was a scuffle, but he claimed, as you said, that it was because of the door that was opened in front of them.

but there was no question that there was a scuffle, and we were told that by michael brown's friend first, not by darren wilson. >> right. dorian johnson. and this is the part of the story that's most helpful to darren wilson. the part that is the most important part of the story that nobody's been leaking anything about, is the part where he shot and killed an unarmed, wounded kid, who was fleeing away from him. that's the part they haven't explained. you have to wonder in the grand jury room when he testifies, was he really cross-examined by the prosecutor or was he allowed to give a story and sit back and the grand jury could take it as they liked. we are only hearing about information -- i'll give you another one. we're now hearing that supposedly there are six african american witnesses who corroborate officer wilson's account, but we don't know anything more than that. corroborate what part of the account? the account that there was a scuffle at the car, which we know, and everybody agrees with. or the part that he was shot

with his hands up? >> but again, maybe one way someone on the other side could spin that officer wilson is corroborating johnson's report of a scuffle. but isn't this the reason, when you have all of these witnesses saying one thing, officer wilson reportedly saying another, isn't this the reason we should have a trial and let's see where the facts are and let it come out in front of the world and a jury, not a secret proceeding where we don't know what the prosecutor's doing? >> absolutely. i've said all along, when you have six witnesses see a kid shot in the street with his hands up. that's probable cause. we didn't need months and months of a grand jury to decide probable cause. this case should have been filed a long time ago. all of the witnesses, all of the cross-examination, all of that should come out in a trial. but doing this by way of a grand jury is doing this to ensure that darren wilson will get no indictment.

i think that's by far the most likely outcome. and we're being softened up by this by the government, probably, leaking all of this information. >> lisa, thank you for your time tonight. >> thank you, rev. coming up, it's dominated headlines all week. the renee zellweger appearance controversy. is there a hollywood double standard? showdown, the nfl commissioner will testify in the ray rice hearing. should rice play again this year? and the moment of the night. meet the grandma who's taking on dwyane wade. stay with us. they're coming. what do i do? you need to catch the 4:10 huh? the equipment tracking system will get you to the loading dock. ♪ there should be a truck leaving now. i got it. now jump off the bridge. what? in 3...2...1... are you kidding me? go. right on time. right now, over 20,000 trains are running reliably.

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>> we're back now with "conversation nation." joining us tonight, msnbc's crystal ball, comedian chuck knight, and access hollywood's shaun robinson. we start with a topic that's dominated social media all week, actress renee zellweger made an appearance at an event on monday and as you probably heard, her appearance is causing a pretty big stir online. her appearance sparked all kinds of talk on social media and much of it was vulgar comments after lots of speculation about plastic surgery. she responded in a statement, saying, quote, i'm glad folks think i look different. i'm living a different, happy,

more fulfilling life, and i'm thrilled that perhaps it shows. is the scrutiny warranted, or is this another example of how we hold women to a standard and unattainable standard of beauty? >> that's what it is. if you are a woman in hollywood, and particularly over the age of 40, there's just no winning. you can look at the stats in terms of women in films. they are disproportionately only in the movies in their 20s and 30s. when they enter 40, they just disappear. if you're a woman like her, you feel the pressure to transform to look younger, rather than just allowing yourself to age the way all people do and which is acceptable for men. >> shaun, you're out there in the city of angels. you work this beat. is it a different standard for women? i look much better at 60 than i did at 40, no one asks me if i

had plastic surgery. [ laughter ] . >> and you'll probably look the same when you're 90. women are definitely held to a different standard. the difference in renee's case, and let me just say this, we hadn't seen her on camera, in person, in maybe four years, it's been a while. most of the people here, the stars that you see on the red carpet, many of them have had some type of cosmetic surgery, the point of cosmetic surgery is that you look refreshed, like you've been on vacation. i think what was startling for so many people is that renee looked so different. he really looked like a different person, unrecognizable to many people. but she's not admitted to any surgery, which she doesn't have to. but she's taking it in stride, saying, i'm glad people feel that i look different. i'm in a happy place, i'm in a relationship, so i don't care what anybody thinks. >> and the only difference is this, that sometimes you just have to own the fact that you've

had surgery. i mean, there's nothing wrong with that. we, as a public, really accept the fact that people in entertainment get surgery. but when you say, i took a nap and i just look really refreshed now, that's going to bring unwarranted scrutiny to whatever it is that you have done. and there's a lot of men who get surgery done and we have those kind of reactions too. kenny rogers, come on, seriously. have you seen him lately? he doesn't look like kenny rogers. >> and let me bring this closer to our ballpark. is this true in politics as well? >> politics is very fraught where female looks are concerned. because there's research to shows people want candidates who are -- female candidates in particular, who are attractive, but not too attractive. you want them to be of a certain age, but not too old. so it's all kinds of fraught, in different ways, but yes, overall, women are judged much

differently for their age, their appearance, and are under much more pressure to keep that youthful look. to me, it's none of our business whether or not renee had plastic surgery and even before she made comments about she was refreshed and that's why she looked different. the scrutiny was not, oh, wow she looks different. it was a mean and judgmental variety. >> let me ask you, does this help her career? everybody's talking about her. >> well, you know what, there's no bad publicity here in hollywood, al. >> that's true. >> and like she said, a lot of the comments were mean spirited. but all of us are in a culture that we want to look better than what we actually look. how many of us have posted pictures on instagram and use a nice filter to make the wrinkles go away or make us look more vibrant and younger. we all do it. but when you're in a public eye, like she s definitely it's going to bring a lot of scrutiny.

but yes, most definitely there is a double standard. >> the one good thing is, she can restar in all of her movies as someone different and it would be awesome. >> let's go on to another subject. [ laughter ] >> come on, you know that was funny. you know that was funny. >> i want to talk about the showdown in the nfl. and it's not on the field. nfl commissioner roger goodell will join two baltimore ravens' executives testifying at the ray rice hearing in november. rice is appealing his indefinite suspension which came after the elevator surveillance video showed him knocking out his fiancee. and this goodell news comes the same week we learned he's taking legal action against his former team, saying their decision to release them violates the collective bargaining agreement. ray rice could be cleared to

play by next month. should he come back? >> here's the short answer. no! no, no, no! even if the nfl invites you back to play, you should sit down, go someplace, get your life together, show that you have done the work, that you have taken therapy, that you've gotten anger management. get involved in some programs where you can actually help women who are in the situations of domestic violence and then maybe after a year, you can come back and say, look, if you don't forgive me, i understand that you don't forgive me, because what i have done is unforgivable, but i've done the work, i took the year off, i am ready to come back and contribute. for those of you who don't forgive me, i understand, but it's time for me to go on with my life. >> but we may all agree with that or some variation of that,

but according to the guidelines, you're supposed to be suspended six games. already at seven. how do they argue against fairness? >> i think there's a core issue here, right, does the nfl take domestic violence seriously or not? now goodell claims he didn't see the video of what happened in the elevator when the initial suspension and then the upped suspension was levied to start with. i don't know if that's true or not. but we've all seen what happened in the elevator. there's no way this man should be back on a football field this year. think of what message that sends to other people out there. >> right. and definitely, if i can jump in here, what she said is exactly right. this is the first time that we have actually seen a football player beat his girlfriend. okay, that image, that video is now seared in our mind.

and that's going to determine when he can come back, but also advertisers. because advertisers don't want their brand associated with any brand. if advertisers start to step back, and pull away, he'll be out a lot longer than he thinks. stay with us, coming up we'll have more with this great panel. will that be all, sir?

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>> we're back with our panel. it's american as american pie, the presidential impersonation. and this week on conan, dana carvey revealed the art of doing president obama. >> we're going to head back with our strategic partners, coalition, these forces, and we're going to do the things that we do when we decide to do them in the decisive manner that we did them. >> you captured something in the way he talks. >> this is what we want to do, is the way he talks. stop crinkling the bat. you want to cut the last word off. that's not what we want to do. >> and then he revealed the difference between president obama and others. >> how do you think obama's doing? >> well, i think he's doing fine, because he can really, really talk. and the republicans have a hard time putting sentences together.

[ laughter and applause ] >> hold on, hold on, let, let, let, let me, let me make my point. it's a feather in america's cap that we went from w. to obama. because w's like, yeah. he's a plain-spoken man. remember when he said, we got evil-doers. [ laughter ] now obama is incapable, being the harvard genius he is. there are people in the world who wish to do us harm. you mean, evil doers? [ laughter ] >> does that impression get your presidential comedy seal of approval? >> without a doubt. dana carvey is one of the best, man. i love the fact that he not only does w., but he does his father, he does obama, he does clinton. he's pretty much every living president that we have all bauld up into one ball of comedy.

>> having a conversation with each other, which is what's amazing. >> chuck, let me ask you, who does your favorite presidential impersonation? >> it's going to sound weird because they're a duo, but key and peel do the best obama, because i love the fact that they take his presidency and they build a social context around it to bring a message. >> okay, wait a minute. we got that one, let me show it. >> i get angry a lot. it's just the way i express passion is different from most. so, just so there's no more confusion, we've hired luther here to be my anger translator. >> we end the war in iraq. >> ended a war, y'all! ended a war! >> these are achievements to remind you i am on your side. >> i am not a muslim! [ laughter ] >> what's your favorite? >> i was watching your show and

you had a clip of keenan doing an impersonation of you, so i'm going to stick with "snl," because i think they do some amazing impersonations. i'm going with the late great phil hartman, when he did bill clinton, i just thought it was so on point. >> we have that one too. let me show it. we have that one. >> do you favor the decision to send military forces to somalia? >> that's a good question. yes, i do, let me tell you why. see right now, we're sending food to somalia. but it's not getting to the people who need it, because it's being intercepted by warlords. [ laughter ] [ indiscernible ] it's other countries too. >> that's a pretty good one. >> that's amazing. >> we're just about out of time. let me just ask you, tell us who your favorite is. >> for me, there's no better than will ferrell as george w.

bush. just amazing. >> next time we'll play that. we ate up time with shaun's shameless plug for keenan. [ laughter ] thank you all for your time this evening pch. >> thank you, rev. >> we'll be right back. >> thank you, rev. >> we'll be right back. . >> thank you, rev. >> we'll be right back. g. >> thank you, rev. >> we'll be right back. this is humira giving me new perspective. doctors have been prescribing humira for ten years. humira works for many adults. it targets and helps to block a specific source of inflammation that contributes to ra symptoms. humira can lower your ability to fight infections, including tuberculosis. serious, sometimes fatal infections and cancers, including lymphoma, have happened, as have blood, liver, and nervous system problems, serious allergic reactions, and new or worsening heart failure. before treatment, get tested for tb. tell your doctor if you've been to areas where certain fungal infections are common, and if you've had tb, hepatitis b, are prone to infections, or have flu-like symptoms or sores.

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finally tonight, a story to make everyone smile. meet 89-year-old grandma nelly, one of the miami heat's biggest fans. she's been watching the team for years. but for her 90th birthday, she wants one special gift. she wants to play heat superstar dwyane wade one-on-one. she even made a video challenging him. >> dwyane wade, on my 90th birthday, i want to play one round with you, okay? wow! >> wow, grandma nelly has some skill. and two weeks later on her birthday, the heat gave her a

surprise call. what happened next was incredible. >> how you doing? i don't want to get my sweat on you. i'm working hard. >> i want to play with you. now i'm 90. in all my life, i'm longing to see him and this is him. >> well, happy birthday. and i thank you so much for being a fan of mine and the heat's. >> i don't know who to say. >> i want to see you shoot. go! ooh, almost. come on, get it up there, get it up there. ♪ >> i'm very grateful. oh, my gosh. [ laughter ] >> this is my dream come true. >> it was a dream come true for wade too.

he took to instagram after the experience and wrote, you never know the impact you have on people. no, you don't. and with all the bad news in the world lately, it's so great to see stories like this that make us all smile. yes, we've got to deal with a lot of challenges, but don't forget to find something every now and then to smile about. thanks for watching. i'm al sharpton. "hardball" starts right now. too close for comfort. this is "hardball." ♪ ♪ good evening, i'm chris matthews in washington. we have fresh video tonight of yesterday's terrorist attack on the canadian parliament. but first we take you to new york city for a report on what may be a new case of ebola here in the united states. nbc's