details about how it started and the motive remains unknown. >> i have no information about where it started. i'm still trying to gather the information. >> how did the shooter die? >> i do not know. >> do you have any information about the motive? >> none at the point. >> students at the school have been evacuated and the school remains on lockdown. one student describing what he saw to nbc affiliate in seattle, king. >> i thought someone was making a noise with a bag until i heard four more after that. and i saw three kids just fall from the table like they were falling to the ground dead. i jumped under the table as fast as i could. and when it stopped i looked back up and i saw he was trying to reload his gun and when that happened i just ran in the

opposite direction and i was out of there as fast as i could. >> and our reporting on testimony from that same student saying this shooter, now deceased, was a freshman on the football team. the fbi says it has personnel headed to the scene. president obama has now been briefed about the ongoing situation with the school shooting. we are expecting a live update from the police at 4:30 eastern time. joining me is hailey jackson. how are you? >> let's talk about what we know. the shooting happened around 10:30 this morning. police say the suspected shooter is dead and nbc news confirmed that he shot himself, this particular student. three other young people are in critical condition. they're in surgery right now at a local hospital and another person has been transported to a different hospital with less

serious injuries. you have seen the images and video, the students running from the school and police going door to door with guns drawn. the police say they don't believe there is any other active shooter at marysville high school which is about 35 minutes outside seattle. students are describing what they saw sitting in the cafeteria as we have heard from king tv talking about seeing this person rise up and look victims in the eye as he shot them apparently. so we're continuing to follow more, ari. the fbi on the way to the scene. president obama briefed. and we'll have more from a police press conference in a few minutes. >> and we're going to bring that live here as well on msnbc. can you say -- we had one student telling also the king affiliate about the weapon says it appeared to be -- according to this student -- some sort of small pistol that this individual was using and it jammed at one point and the

student was able to reload and use it further? >> that's exactly what we're hearing. we're trying to confirm more of that from officials on the scene. this is a chaotic and developing situation. they're trying to put the pieces together. the student talked about seeing his classmate's gun jam and describing the terrifying moments of running out of the cafeteria and trying to get to a safe place and you saw a number of students running from the school. a fire alarm may have been pulled. and that's why some of them ran but a lot of pieces being put together and frantic parents hoping to get in touch with their children. police are asking them to stay away from the campus right now. >> stay with us and thank you for your reporting today. joining us from nashville, jim cavanaugh and in washington, democratic representative, congresswoman carolyn maloney. starting with you, the president

briefed on this. another school shooting. local news that has national impact as people worry about the safety of our schools with threats from within and without. what do you make of this unfolding situation? >> it is tragic beyond words. we've had 87 school shootings since sandy, 20 since august. it is a public health epidemic. we spent the day today with hearings on ebola and i would say congress is united and determined to do everything to stop the challenge. the same determination has to be there to combat gun violence. in vietnam we lost -- >> i'm going to interrupt because we're going to another news conference here from the police. >> okay. >> sure. so we are confirming two deceased at this time. one is the shooter. and the second we are not confirming whether that is a student or a staff quite yet. >> [ inaudible question ].

>> yes, the shooting did originate in the cafeteria as we understand it. and so there was some type of activity there in the cafeteria. it is not known -- i do not know where the deceased were located. >> do you happen to know whether the deceased took his own life or shot by the police? >> i don't know that at this point. >> do you happen to know if the shooter killed the second person? >> i do not know. >> [ inaudible question ]. >> i'm sorry. >> do you know if law enforcement officers fired any -- >> not at this point. i will be going to a command center briefing at 1:30. and i will get further information at that time and be able to come back at the 2:30 briefing with more information. >> there has been a tremendous amount of reporting on twitter.

chatter about who the shooter was and what the motive was and where people have been taken. >> at this point, we are confirming that there are two deceased, that the officers have swept the buildings and that we are doing a second check through those more thorough. and that's basically what i have. i will learn more at the command briefing at 1:30. >> are there any students who haven't been able to contact their families? >> i don't know what precisely is happening at the scene at this time. we are still in the process of busing students to the reunification place. >> [ inaudible question ]. >> i know there were no air lift transports. all transports were ground. >> has the shooter been

transported? >> i don't know if they are on scene. >> do you know the motive. >> i have no idea. >> were any staff members injured in. >> i don't know. >> [ inaudible question ]. >> that's a good question. is it a large campus and there are multiple buildings. we're going to take our time and make sure that everything is safe and clear but it's i don't have a time line how long that will take. >> were there threats made to the school? >> not that i'm aware of, no. >> do you have any information about the weapons at the scene? >> i don't. >> what can you tell us about how long the police response to the school -- >> i will have more at 2:30. i will go to the command center at 1:30. we're having a briefing. i'll have more information at the 2:30 briefing.

>> what is the -- [ inaudible question ]. >> it's just to make sure that what -- when we do an initial sweep it's quick and to locate students or any other shooters. this one we just slow it down and do it by grid and make sure all buildings are, in fact, clear. >> can you confirm that no students, no staff are in the building at this point? >> i don't know that they are all out. >> are you getting help from law enforcement agencies? >> we are getting help from the snohomish county sheriff's office and arlington police. the snohomish multiagency response team, the s.m.a.r.t. team is on scene. they will be assisting with the investigation. >> the fbi is also involved? >> i have not heard the. >> can you talk about planning or drills you've had at this high school how you prepare for a day like this to happen?

>> we have done training at the school with our s.w.a.t. team. i cannot say exactly when that took place. so i'm going to go to the 1:30 command briefing and be back at 2:30 with more information. thank you. >> the second deceased person any reason to believe that was a second shooter or you believe that is a victim? >> i believe that's a victim. thank you. >> listening there, to marysville police department deputy giving his second briefing of the day and confirming there are two deceased. police saying two deceased in this shooting today. one is the shooter, the other an unidentified victim. the police at this point declining to state the identity of that person or whether it was a student or staff member. we're going to go now to nbc news hailey jackson. we have jim carve know and carolyn maloney.

jim, your thoughts on what we learned? >> the commander doesn't have all the facts until he gets the briefing from the chiefs and the detectives and the tactical officers and active shooter teams that cleared the area. they'll get with him. i've been in that situation many times. you're going to call in the public information commander and give them all the information and discuss what can be released. a lot of this will be able to be released because he is deceased. so you could get more than maybe we'd normally get -- >> so people understand why at this point would the protocol dictate not describing what kind of individual the victim was? >> just in an effort to be correct. probably the commander in front of the media doesn't know for sure. he wants to verify it. it's probably more of a verification than anything. >> and congresswoman we had to

go away from our discussion. but you were discussing this as a safety crisis and concern for -- you were saying your colleagues, members of congress and parents and community members around the country. >> and i would say you spoke about two deceased. but over 56,000 americans died over a 20-year period in vietnam. every two years more than 56,000 americans die from gunshot wounds. and, yet, any common sense efforts to curb this epidemic cannot pass congress. if you compare it to the attitude of combatting ebola we are united and determined to do everything possible but there are common sense measures, background checks, child safety locks, it's not even a felony to deal an illegal trafficking of guns and there has been a law that passed in congress forbidding money to be sent on

gun safety research. we spend 5 billion a year studying cancer. and, yet, more people die from these gunshot wounds than from cancer, particularly young people. and no money is going into research. >> congresswoman, as we discuss that some will look at the shooting and say this is the time to gather the facts and not time to analyze the policy that might have prevented or dressed this shooting and yet in washington state where we are reporting two deceased in this shooting, voters are going to go out in the next two weeks and have a discussion to make on i-594 that is an initiative that will bolster background checks in that state. these are choices that folks are going to be making in the elections in this state. >> and it's important choice and hopefully americans will vote for common sense gun safety measures that will protect our young people and take the steps

in the right direction to curb gun violence in our country. it's tragic and happening too frequently. since sandy hook, 87 school shootings, 20 since august. it's an epidemic, a public health epidemic and these gun safety bills should pass, whether it's background checks, child safety locks, liability insurance on the ownership of guns. even money to study ways to make guns safer as we study ways to make cars safer. we can't even pass that in congress. i think it's an outrage it's not a felony to sell and traffic illegal guns. there are common sense steps we could take that would protect americans. we should take them and vote for them and for candidates who support gun safety. >> thank you for your time today here as we report on a school

shooting in marysville, washington with two confirmed deceased by the police. jim cavanaugh in nashville, can you tell us your thoughts on what i am about to play for you which is an eyewitness account from a student at the school who witnessed the shooting. let's take a listen to that. >> the shooter stand up and started shooting and my friend had ducked under the table but she was unaware and looked over and at that point a friend booked it out of the lunchroom and you know didn't see anything from that point on. >> without saying the name of the shooter, bryce, can you tell us what year is he? >> he's a freshman.

>> jim, what do the police do when taking these early accounts in this situation where we in the press are getting some of these accounts, potentially before the police have a chance to debrief? >> we always did at the command post as we had all the tvs on and when we saw a witness on the tv we would direct an investigator to go find out who that witness was and get them interviewed as quick as we can. the journalists are all out there and interviewing a lot of key witnesses. the information is not lost. we would record the public media broadcasts as well. it's good witness information as well. they will get it down. i think what's important to know though, great accounts there that the 15-year-old or so, freshman student, who was on the football team, reached in his pocket or a bag and pulled out a small pistol.

he fired point-blank across the table at three students who fell down like they were, you know, mortally wounded and his gun jammed or he was trying to reload it. and you know, others made their escape at that point. and you know, one of those persons who was shot is apparently deceased and the others are in the hospital. >> let's go to clint vanzant who has a lot of experience in criminal profiling here. according to the police the shooter was deceased. the shooter was very young, a freshman. and according to many students, the student seemed to be a regular member of the class, a social person that was not seen from the early accounts that we've gotten as loner or abrent individual. >> a lot of times a wound doesn't show.

we have men and women with a post-traumatic stress reaction even though they don't have bullet holes through them day have been psychologically wounded and we have students in their own way that takes place too. sometimes we have what we call a narcissistic injury. somebody says something or does something and there is an affront to you and you are just so angry you are boiling over. the challenge today is with 90 guns for every 100 americans if someone wants a gun they can get their hands on it. i know we're talking about gun laws and registrations and all this. look, if we stop selling guns today, 300 years from now there would be students who could pick up a gun and commit a terrible act like this if they were prone to do something. so we have to reach the motivation. we have to reach the conflict resolution part of a student that tells him or her and it's usually a young man, to pick up

a gun instead of pick up a phone and talk to somebody. gun laws are fine. if we don't want more guns in the country. but until we reach the core problem and until we touch our students when they're in grade school and work with them as they're getting older, until we do that, we're going to see these repeated over and over. for the last 14 years, we've seen mass shootings double in this country, the last seven years versus the previous seven years. we're not getting better. we're getting worse and more and more people are turning to guns, violence, conflict resolution. >> clint, you mentioned that and we know from the fbi report out this year we've got from an average of six mass shootings a year to 16 just from the early 2000s to the last few years. >> we will have more on the school shooting in marysville,

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did you know this person, friends with this person? >> i know him. the other day i was skipping class with him and we were talking about regular things. he seemed like he was really happy about everything and seemed like a popular kid. he didn't seem like he had any disputes with anyone or unhappy in any way. >> a student speaking to our local affiliate about the shooter in the marysville high school shooting today, now deceased. here is what we know. police have confirmed two people are dead in the school shooting at this high school, marysville-pilchuck. and that includes the shooter. the shooter was a freshman at the school. at least four other victims are

being treated for injuries. three of them are in critical condition. at this time, police are confident that will was only one shooter. students are being relocated to a local church where buses are taking them home. locally, parents are advised not to go to the campus. back with me is jim cavanaugh and clint vanzant and joining us from indianapolis, shannon watts, founder of moms demand action for gun sense in america. clint we are discussing the profile of the shooter, a freshman, now deceased. you were saying just before the break that the police can figure out a certain amount of information about the shooter and that in your view folks who want to get their hands on guns in the united states will jernly be able to do so. >> yeah, i think, you know, we can try as much as we can. anybody who's a gun owner, you

know, ought to have trigger guards and have the guns in a safe and separate the rounds, shells, bullets from the gun. those are all common sense safety things. but there is a deeper issue. and of course the issue is when people turn to firearms as a means of resolving some type of conflict. we haven't dealt with that problem yet in this country. and what i'm afraid of politically is just like sandy hook. we did a lot of flapping and arms and waving of arms in the air and we're going to do all these things and pass all these laws but we're not dealing with the core issue which is dealing with young people who turn to guns to violence. lock the guns up, whatever you want to do but with 90 guns for every 100 americans, people can get their hands on a gun. >> jim, speak to that when you

talk about the deeper problem which is a criminalology and public safety problem. we look at these images from early today of these students being evacuated some with their hands in the air from a live shooting situation in their school. clint mentioned sandy hook. sandy hook was a wakeup call about the severity of violence and the ability to conduct a mass violence in this nation. and yet it's fair to say we haven't changed our policies in response. >> clint made some great points. we worked together and i understand exactly what he's saying. i called the tragedy triangle. and we see it in so many shootings. you have guns or access to guns. sometimes you have a just overall affection and hoarding of guns. you have guns in the dynamic. and you have mental health

issues or suicidal issues or as clint said and i agree, people who can't deal with conflict. they get fired. they think they need to kill everybody at work or get kicked off the team and feel like killing the coach. there is meant another health or failing to deal with conflict and the third part is it comes to someone's attention, either the police, neighbors, co-workers, it comes to someone's attention. that's all the warning you're going to get. when that comes up if you get into that and are notified that as an authority, police, school leader and you find the person has access to guns, you're in the tragedy triangle and about to face a challenge. >> let me bring in shannon watts. your response to some of these points that we're hearing right now? >> first of all, our thoughts and prayers go out to these families. this tragedy is unbelievable. it's unbelievable this is the

87th school shooting since sandy hook and the third in washington state. we have the same rates of mental illness in this country but 20 times the gun murder rate. and that's about unregulated, easy access to guns in this country. that's what we've got to fix. >> i'm going to play new sound from the medical examiner. let's take a listen to this. >> four patients came to the center from the scene. three of them remained at the center. one was transferred down to harborview. the three most critically ill are kept here. they are in very critical condition. they are being worked up and taken to the operating rooms. one patient did go to harborview, the emergency department chief doctor triaged

the patients in the parking lot here and felt that that patient had wounds that were less severe and could be handled in harborview. we have -- we're ready to handle these cases. we are a level ii trauma center. we have been drilling for this. we had a good response from our medical staff. about 25 doctors showed up. we had two neurosurgeons and two heart surgeons and a vascular surgeon a chest surgeon and multiple trauma surgeons and four trauma rooms were used. >> that was the new statement from the chief medical officer at providence hospital which are processing most of the injured here. young people they are treating, some in critical condition. that would refer to the students being harmed. we cannot confirm the identity of the individual that is

deceased as victim here because the police have not provided that information. but it sounds like what we know thus far is the shooting took place in the cafeteria and among those shot are these young people. we don't have a confirmation on the deceased victim. >> and we are talking about the critical injuries with a handgun at close range. a handgun is not as accurate as a longus. but young people are very strong and they respond to medical and trauma surgery and emergency medical care very good. so the positive is they're young, they're strong. these are handgun wounds. he couldn't have fired that many rounds because the gun jammed or the magazine was empty, according to the witnesses that "the cycle" and you have had on. there is good news in there that these are probably not young people suffering from multiple

massive gunshot rifle wounds. they may have been hit and are critical. i'm not downplaying that. they are young. they might not have a lot of wounds. >> that is what everyone is hoping for. we're going to bring confirmed reports when we have them. i want to go back to shannon. washington does have a background check initiative on the ballot in two weeks. one of the critiques is that there should be a pause before policy. but your group says that policy is one of the most important things we should consider as we see the rising incidents of mass shootings in the schools. >> some say it's too early to talk about guns when something like this happens. for the people of marysville it's too late. we have to have these conversations. what the gun lobby has done is make sure there are no or little

responsibilities that go with gun ownership. we support the second amendment but with rights come responsibilities that includes a background check for every gun purchased and that's what can happen with i-594 if it passes on november 4th it will make a huge difference in the state of washington when you go to buy a gun. you is to have a background check. we assure that rapists or domestic abusers or criminals don't have access to guns. the gun lob request has prevented that from happening. when congress won't act we go to the states. six states have closed the background check loophole and we believe washington will be next to do so. >> that will be a big point of discussion as the community reels from this tragic murder today. we are going to keep covering it. thank you shannon, clint and jim, stay with us. we'll get a live report from the white house where president obama is being briefed on this

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what has he told you so far? >> that the school has been on lockdown and he is hiding in a closet in a classroom with some classmates. some students are being let out on "n" small numbers. to a church nearby. >> was the first word you got from your son who was texting you? >> yes, yes. that's how i heard. >> what was your reaction as a mom getting that text? >> i was terrified and some panic started to set in. but i told my other half what was going on and we decided to come here just to make sure everything is okay. >> we are listening to a mother of one of the students at washington's marysville high school where a male student opened fire today and according to police the gunman killed himself and one other person. flee young victims are in

critical condition as well. they were shot in the head. marysville police are expected to give an update on this situation at 5:30 eastern time. joining me right now, nbc news white house correspondent kristen welker. the president has been briefed. what can you tell us? >> president obama was in the middle of a meeting with his national security team at the state department when he learned about the shooting in washington. he is heading to the white house now. there is a sense at the white house, not again. they are watching this unfold, monitoring the developments as the "s" t is the rest of the country, in horror. this is the 20th mass shooting since president obama first took office. one of the more notable one was in 2012 at sandy hook which took 20 elementary school children.

and of course you'll recall that president obama called for stiffer gun laws. that never went anywhere in congress. in terms of hearing from president obama today there, is no sense that we are going to hear from him at this time. he continues to monitor developments and there is a sense that this has happen today frequently and that this is becoming an all too familiar and horrific scene here. >> certainly. >> we'll anticipate some type of reaction from president obama whether that is written or he addresses the nation. >> you look at an incident like this going into the mid-terms you talk to officials in both parties about the political landscape for this, the third highest spenders in the mid-terms right now is the nra political action fund on the air with paid advertising or on the ground we are covering some folks in washington talking

about their background check bill that is up for a vote in two weeks. the nra is continuing to press their case that however tragic these shootings are they don't think that more legislation is the answer. the president's team has disagreed with that. >> that's right. and in the wake of the sandy hook shootings, president obama came out with very strong words for congress and of course, some of the legislators, the members of congress who voted against stiffer gun laws were facing re-election in these mid-terms. so it is politically very difficult to get stiffer gun laws passed. after that, this administration didn't revisit imposing stiffer gun laws. but the newtown families continued to press the case. we have heard from president obama about the need for expanded background checks for limiting high capacity magazines

and those sorts of things. but politically, you're right, there is so much opposition, particularly from the nra to getting stiffer gun laws passed it is hard to see it happening and hard to see it becoming an issue again when we are so close to the mid-terms and democrats fighting to hold on the senate. >> it may be an issue in washington state because they have something but not the number one issue in a lot of other places. kristen welker thank you for your reporting. after the break we'll talk about the big story that dominated today before the shooting, andrew cuomo holding a press conference on the american doctor who is being treated for ebola in new york city. we'll have an update for you on that next on "now." you wouldn't do half of your daily routine.

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one day after new york city received its first ebola patient governor andrew cuomo introduced new screening measures at new

york airports. officials urged everyone here to stay calm. >> there is no cause for alarm. new yorkers need to understand the situation being handled and handled well. there is no cause for everyday new yorkers to be alarmed. >> we have been preparing for weeks on a coordinated effort plan between new york city, new york state, federal government, cdc. this is not like the flu. it's not airborne. it's not from people sneezing. >> and the patient in question, dr. craig spencer is in stable condition at bellevue hospital. there are a few things that are important to remember here, first, unlike the situation in dallas, new york city has, as you heard the governor mention, been preparing the hospitals for the possibility of an ebola patient all the way back to july. and on tuesday in new york you can see howes of health care workers gathering and learning precautions for handling ebola patients, taught to put on and remove the protective clothing.

bellevue hospital was designated already as the chief treatment center for potential ebola cases if they did arrive in new york. and before this patient the city had been taking plenty of precautions. putting one person in isolation every single day on average for the past six weeks. another reason why officials are confident it will be contained the health care workers who have been treated for ebola in the u.s. have been declared so far, virus free. nina pham met with the president at the white house just hours after she was declared ebola free and released from the hospital at nih. >> i'm on my way back to recovery even as i reflect on how many others have not been so fortunate. >> as we keep all this context in mind none of the people infected in the u.s. contracted the virus from a public place

from a subway or bowling alley or airplane. all of them have done so because they were in contact with someone who was infected with ebola in the center of the epidemic in west africa where the death toll is nearing 5,000 ebola victims and 10,000 total cases reported. the w.h.o. says that by december we could see 10,000 cases a week. and joining me now is nbc news correspondent kristen dahlgren. what do we know about new york's preparation? >> it's important to note that it is not just officials saying they think bellevue hospital is ready. i have been talking to health care workers. one -- doctor who was here overnight when this was breaking and he said he feels very confident that the hospital has been talking to them about protocol. he says since dr. spencer came

in, doctors, nurses, everybody was told to stay in the unit where they normally work so there is not crossover. the isolation unit is isolated. they have everything they need for a hospital in one small little area and it's only essential personnel who are treating dr. spencer. and so, that's one reason that they're saying they really do feel like they're prepared here. as far as dr. spencer's condition he is in stable condition and alert and speak and talk with officials about where he was, kind of reconstructing the past few days, there are those public concerns that he was out and may have possibly been able to spread it. so they're trying to reconstruct it and give the public time line when he was on the subway and reassure them that has been checked and there is no way to get the ebola from the subway. that bowling alley where he was is being cleaned and going to be reopened and they're not going

to get ebola from a bowling ball. they are going over where he was and what happened in west africa to learn more about how he contracted the disease. back to you, ari. >> i want to thank you for your reporting. we have new sound from governor cuomo. we he has been speaking today in a briefing. let's listen. >> we believe it's appropriate to increase the current screening procedures for people coming from affected countries from the current cdc screening procedures. we believe is it in the state of new york and state of new jersey's legal rights to control access to their borders. we will establish an interview and screening process to determine an individual's risk level by considering the geographic area of origin. >> for more on all this, joining

me now assistant professor, and a doctor who is a representative of the infectious disease associate in america and an expert in this kind offed me. you look at everything we're hearing and this is a serious threat that is being -- according to new york officials -- completely contained. >> i agree. i think we are getting two messages. there are the facts of the case where this person when he started showing a fever he was immediately isolated and treated. i think the public is safe for the time before that. but it raises the public's concerns if someone who is sick doesn't self quarantine, they were exposed in the subway. we have to have those plans in place. >> when you look at the details that emerge on that, and people hearing and reading that this individual did go to a bowling

alley in brooklyn and rode a subway line and you hear new yorkers saying that's near to where i've been and the science suggests this is not currently in its manifestation a threat for regular folks in new york. >> exactly. you only get ebola when you in contact with a contagious individual who has symptoms. as he wasn't vomiting or having diarrhea at the bowling alley there is no risk for people there. the health department is informing the public but those people are not at risk. is it the three intimate contacts of his that have to be watched. >> you look at the role of health workers here. this individual is described as local hero, someone who went through doctors without borders to the source of the problem to treat, to help. i want to talk about the numbers here. 3,000 staff members, give or take in west africa.

they have treated over 2,000 patients. but they say 16 of their staff members have been infected and nine have died. they are risk and some giving their lives to do this care in west africa. your thoughts on that port of the statistics. do you believe that is unvad unavoidable. >> ebola has always infected health care workers disproportionately. doctors without borders has done very well over their span, but the sheer scope of the outbreak leads to the fact that some will get infected because of the sheer amount of patients. people that deal with ebola have to take that into consideration. this is something they have to want to do. people that do this aren't doing this as -- on the side. this is something they are committed to. and that's clearly something that we've seen with this ebola volunteer that is now sick. >> so let me go to the doctor.

you were seeing earlier, though, that people aren't wrong to ask why some of these health care workers, whether they be nurse or doctor, didn't keep closer to home. >> exactly. i think people do need clear guidelines so they know what they should do or shouldn't do. but it is disturbing when you think of a health care workers or physician going to the subway or bowling alley. i think that is concerning. and people who survived ebola they are immune to ebola. so in terms of our plan for west africa why not recruit the health care workers who have recovered and can't catch it again and ask them to help. >> we should recruit from the small universe of american workers who have contracted it because -- >> west african health care workers, people who have contracted it there who are immune to it and are recovered.

why not try to recruit them to treat the patients and not get infected a second time. >> the idea being there, like chickenpox, they're not going to get it again. >> exactly. if they are health care workers they have experience treating ebola it's a way to manage things in west africa. >> do you think that would work? >> it's an idea with merit jouchlt to make sure they are trained and willing to do so. but clearly people do have immunity after they have experienced an ebola infection and they are an important resource in the community. i don't think there is enough to them to do the work we need to do. they can augment the response going on there but they are not the sole solution to it. >> i agree. >> and i want to touch on the scale for west africa. we cover it more when it hits america. and, yet, you can't compare it when you look at how deep and

how bad the problem has been there. we mention the 5,000 some deaths. $33 billion projected costs over the next two years. and if we're going to be real about it in countries this poor that is a huge, huge trauma for the economy. it could cost liberia up to 12% of its gdp. do americans you think have any understanding of how much worse the problem is there? >> is it hard to fathem. we know infectious diseases have toppled civilizations and that's what we are seeing here. the virus has really wreaked havoc on their population and whatever gains they have achieved have all been erased because of the virus' onslaught. >> thank you both for joining us on this busy news day. we are following the breaking news concerning that school shooting in marysville, washington. bringing you updates when we

have information. and we can report that two people are dead there, police saying one person was killed in addition to the shooter. they have not identified that person. law enforcement sources saying that the gunman, a student at the school used a .40 caliber beretta pistol and shot the students in the head. the shooting started in the cafeteria at 10:30 local pacific time. back with me, jim cavanaugh. jim, we are getting some more details. the main confirmation medically being this information that you have multiple students there shot in the head. looking at this as the terrible murder crime scene that it is, what do you make of that, of that kind of targeting close range by a freshman student? >> yeah, ari, that's why they are critical because it is a

close range across the table and nbc reported a .40 caliber beretta pistol. that is a potent weapon for a handgun. and that's why we have students in critical condition. hope try they will pull through. >> so people understand, how much training does one really need to effectively operate that kind of firearm? >> you don't need much training at all. you can operate it. you put the magazine in and pull the trigger. it's not complicated. it's a safety and take a few minutes to figure it out. it will be important to see if he got it from home. he is 15 years old he cannot legally buy a handgun. an adult would have to buy it like his parents as a gift. did he take it from his home or the street or take from the a car? >> do you have any indication of how the police would investigate something like that? we don't know a lot about him but the eyewitness accounts from

students is not so far the profile of someone who was an outsider or someone heavily involved in some kind of nefarious activity. what was described is someone who was considered a normal freshman on the football team, not necessarily someone who would have access to getting weapons all the time. but we are proved wrong about that frequently when you see how easy it is to get them. >> they will be searching his house today. atf agents will be tracing the gun and getting on his computer, the fbi and forensics, snohomish county will be getting in his computers and get a picture of why he was angry. did he have a mental health issue or just choking on a grudge? the picture will come clearer. unfortunately for the wounded, it's minute by minute. we're pulling for them. >> jim cavanaugh thanks for your

expertise on these stories. we want to update you, the remains of the missing university of virginia student have now just before identified. they were discovered in virginia on saturday. hannah graham was last seen on september 13th at a mall in charlottesville. in a statement this afternoon, her parents say they are devastated by what they now know is the loss of their daughter. joining me is luke russert. you have been in virginia and followed this story. what can you tell us? >> reporter: the basically confirms what were the worst fears of investigators and of the graham family and her friends when those remains were discovered last weekend. they were positively i.d.'d as those of than hana graham. they were close to where remains were found five years ago. she was dna linked to the prime

suspect of the hannah graham case. the black pants were what she was wearing the last night she was seen. investigators will try to see if there is a dna link they can create from the remains found there on old lynchburg road to jessie matthew. he has been linked to an attempted rape and murder in fairfax, virginia. he has been linked to the disappearance of morgan harrington. they will try to link him to this. as the context of the story it is remarkable that she was found and the speed which she was, and when you read the note from the family they give a lot of thanks to the chief from the charlottesville police department thank him for his effort to bring their daughter home. while it is sad it is under these circumstances and people

wishing she was alive, the dedication and resourcefulness of the police department came to play and i was shocked reading that statement how much the family was appreciative of it. but as far as where we now move the case, expect there to be a try to develop a link between jessie matthew, the prime suspect, a scientific one, i should say, and these remains, ari. >> no doubt identifying the remains is a significant development in a missing person's case and a difficult one for that community. appreciate your reporting on this story. we have been here going through a busy news hour. new york and new jersey governors announcing protocols identifying ebola and we are awaiting an update from police on that high school shooting in marysville, washington. that does it for us here on

"now." the "the ed show" is up next. we are following breaking news at this hour. there has been another school shooting in america. police in washington state say a gunman and one other person are dead after a shooting at a high school 30 miles north of seattle. the student was a at marysville-pilchuck high school. four are injured. three are in critical condition with head wounds and treated at providence hospital. the gunman died of a self-inflicted wound. the shooting occurred in the school cafeteria. marysville police commander updated the media. >> we are cob firming two deceased at this time. one is the shooter. and the second we are not confirm building that i