the "the ed show" is up next. we are following breaking news at this hour. there has been another school shooting in america. police in washington state say a gunman and one other person are dead after a shooting at a high school 30 miles north of seattle. the student was a at marysville-pilchuck high school. four are injured. three are in critical condition with head wounds and treated at providence hospital. the gunman died of a self-inflicted wound. the shooting occurred in the school cafeteria. marysville police commander updated the media. >> we are cob firming two deceased at this time. one is the shooter. and the second we are not confirm building that is a student or a staff.

the shooting did originate in the cafeteria as we understand it. and so there was some type of activity there in the cafeteria. it is not known -- i do not know where the deceased were closed. -- located. >> this is how it unfolded. late today students responded to a fire drill at the high school. the school's principal announced over the loud speaker it was not a drill. the principal announced it was an active shooter situation and told students to stay in lockdown. police and emergency personnel began to escort hundreds out of the building and hundreds more remained in lockdown in the classrooms. a teacher gave msnbc's joy reeve an account of what happened. >> the principal has come over the loud speaker two or three

times just telling us there was a shooting. there were shots fired. cops are on campus. stay in lockdown. she said this is not a fire drill. there is not a drill. there was confusion at the beginning. somebody pulled the fire alarm. so we were all leaving our classrooms going out to the football field and then about five minutes after that happened, some teachers started letting people know it was incorrect and to get back to class and people started to run back to the rooms. >> marysville-pilchuck high school has about 2500 students. the fbi is on the scene. one student's mother called into nbc affiliate king tv in seattle. her son was texting her while hiding in a closet while on lockdown. >> he says the school is on lockdown and he is hiding in a closet with classmates. there is no text he has been let

out but some are being let out in small numbers. >> so -- >> to the church nearby. >> was the first you got was from your son texting you? >> that's how i heard. >> what was your reaction as a mom getting that text? >> i was terrified and some panic started to set in. but i told my other half that we -- what was going on and we decided to come here just to make sure everything is okay with him. but as far as we know he's okay. >> there will be an update from police official at the bottom of the hour at 5:30 eastern time. we will bring that to you live on msnbc. let me bring in clint vanzant, former fbi profiler with us tonight and mark glaze, former director of every town for gun safety and we will be joined by luke russert later in this hour. clint, it sounds like the school was prepared and did everything

they had to do. your thoughts? >> well i think you're right, ed. and it's a positive thing and unfortunate thing. you know, the -- kind of the low water mark for us was sandy hook in december, 2012. that broke our nation's heart. since that time, ed, there has been 87 shootings in schools. so schools have had no choice across the country but to prepare and when you hear some of the students who witness this, you know, i realize they're teenagers but it's almost matter of fact. they've heard of this. they see their fellow students around the country witness this. it's just kind of a rote when they talk about it as opposed to the heart-breaking incident that it really is. >> and clint, we're back to the conversation in america about mental health and access to firearms. a self-inflicted wound, clearly

this is a mental health issue. what about that? >> we find this both in the school shootings and in the violence in the workplace shootings. mass shootings, these multiple shootings if we look at the last 14 years, according to the fbi, the first seven years and the second seven years, the shootings have doubled. we have more and more people turning to gun violence as a way to solve conflict resolution and so many of these, ed, are in the workplace, the schools where they come in, they vent their anger, rage, frustration on those around them and turn the gun on themselves. and realize that this gun that this freshman in high school had, a .40 caliber semiautomatic weapon that is a weapon carried by law enforcement officers. and he got his hands on this gun. but realize this, ed, there are 90 guns for every 100 americans.

so unfortunately, it is not hard in this country to get your hand on a gun. until we learn to lock up guns and learn to help our children find means of conflict resolution other than violence we are going to see these totals continue the rise. >> obviously, details continue to come in as we continue our coverage here on msnbc. there will be a police briefing at the bottom of the hour. we'll cover it here live on msnbc. what we know is there were witnesses to the shooting. we were told it was a freshman football player who opened fire in the school cafeteria. we don't know if it was a grudge. we don't know if the shooter knew the other students. four are injured. three are in critical condition with head injuries. the gunman died of a self-inflicted wound. and this is a familiar story to america. and i think we are beyond the question of what is going to motivate our lawmakers to do

something about it. but ironically in the state of washington there is a measure that is going to be voted on in the coming days, dealing with background checks. your thoughts on that? >> that's right. i think what people in the country are starting to realize is that we don't have to live this way. and the people of washington are taking that into their hands. they are going to vote on i-594 which would allow background checks for almost all gun purchases, something that is not now the case in washington state. if you made sure everybody got a background check you offer up a big part of the solution to a crime problem. when we realize in a place like washington one out of ten people who buy guns online are not people who are allowed to buy them but they don't get a background check because there is no law requiring it. >> clint vanzant.

he was involved in some organized activities with the school like football and clearly had associations with other students to be a part of a football program. what do you make of this? this doesn't sound like a loner. >> you know, a number of things, ed. number one, by being a football player, as you suggest he's part of an organized activity and that would suggest somebody of a physical profile who might not be the target of being bullied in school. we do know from another student who was interviewed today he suggested that the shooter was involved in some incident within the last week that involved some type of racial slur that may have been made against him. so you know, the question was is this such a deep narcissistic or personal wound that this caused him to come into the school and act out? we don't know who the victims

are, not only by name but we don't know their association with the shooter. were they just random victims of opportunity or did he come in and personally target these students for some reason that we've yet to identify? >> two high-level law enforcement sources are telling nbc news that the marysville shooter has been identified as jaylen fryberg. we don't know what drives kids to do this. but we can come to the conclusion that he was so angry and so distraught that he went out and got a high-powered pistol to do this. what do you make of it? >> first i want to know more about how he got that pistol. but secondly, i want to say up front that it's absolutely the case that we have to have better mental health care in this country and people who are trained to find people like this are showing red flags and get

them into treatment. in the united states of america you 22 times more likely to be murdered with a gun than in other countries like us. and the reason is not that americans are mentally ill, it's that we regulate guns differently, which is to say almost not at all. >> clint, there are associates we will find out about with this jaylen fryberg. the coaches must have known him, the players must have known him. the teachers must have known him. we are speculating. this could be a situation where a very normal kid with no background or trouble at all just happened to snap. is that a possibility? >> you know, ed, i don't believe in people just snapping. whether it's a student or a violence in the workplace situation. whenever we do these psychology autopsies, when we go back and look at somebody who's been

involved in a mass shooting, there is always anger, frustration, rage, there is what we call many times, psychology leakage where the shooter has either warned other students not to come to school or has made some type of semithreat, where you know, tomorrow the next day, next week someone will say oh, yeah i knew he was going to act like that he was really upset. until we can get students to raise their hand, become their brother's keeper and say, you know, my friend made this comment, i think someone needs to work with him, we are going the see these people act out in this terribly negative way and one more time we're going to have people say, you know, i knew he was upset. i knew he was angry. well, if we know -- we talk about terrorism. we say, if you see something, tell somebody. the same thing goes in school -- in potential school violence. if you see somebody who needs

help, you need to tell somebody. otherwise 87, 88, 89, these number of school shootings are going to continue to rack up. part of the issue is we see students sit tong edge emotionally around the country and they see these terrible examples of how to act out when you don't have appropriate anger management skills and one more time we're going to see somebody do this. we need to keep the guns away from students and make sure guns get only in the hands of people who can legally have them but it's this guy is probably 15 years old. under a federal firearms laws he could not buy a gun. he had to get it in his own home herks had to get it from a friend, he had to steal it. somehow he got access to the gun but he couldn't have had that legal access. but he got his hands on a deadly

weapon and used in that way today. >> and mark glaze, he was able to get inside the school with a firearm. how do we allow this to happen if america? how do we make sure that once kids get inside a school that they are safe and there's not going to be any firearms coming in. >> i don't think we want to turn our schools into armed camps. the answer here is you know a number of different things, one of which is making sure guns are stored properly at home and the other is making sure that guns don't fall into the wrong hands. in is an important moment for the people in washington who will have the opportunity to say if you're going to buy a gun you're getting a background check. if you are under age or a felony or domestic violence perpetrator you can't have one. that is stopped 40,000 bad people from getting guns since

that system was stood up in 1998. there are a lot more out there who can be stopped if 594 passes. i hope it will. >> if you just joined us we have continuing coverage of a shooting situation in seattle just outside of seattle at marysville-pilchuck high school 30 miles north of seattle. the shooter is a freshman football player, jaylen fryberg who had a pistol, went into a cafeteria, shot himself and one other person. there are two people dead. four are injured, three in critical condition being treated at providence hospital. the shooter died of a self-inflicted wound. there is a police briefing coming up in 15 minutes. we'll cover it here on msnbc. clint vanzant and mark glaze please stay with us. we'll check back in with you later on in this broadcast. we expect an update in the next

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but other than that i'm not aware of any other physical or anger, like, problems with him. >> we continue our coverage here on msnbc. what you just heard is one student's account from marysville-pilchuck high school. the shooter has been identified as jaylen fryberg. as you heard in that, a student describing him as a happy kid. law enforcement officials say that fryberg brought a gun and opened fire inside the school at the cafeteria earlier today. he is now dead from a self-inflicted wound. is it a suicide. there is one other person who is deceased. but they have not identified that person whether it be someone from the school staff or a fellow student. just a short time ago, a spokesperson with the providence everett regional medical center addressed the media. >> three young people are here

in critical condition. they are being worked up and taken to the operating rooms. one patient did go to harborview. our emergency department chief doctor triaged the patients in the parking lot here, felt that that patient had wounds that were less severe and could be handled in harborview. >> we are waiting for a news conference from marysville police in a few moments. we will bring you a brief on what they know at this hour. joining me are two congressman. caroline, you first. we are witnessing something unfold in our american schools that we can't seem to stop. what is your reaction to what happened here today? >> every time we have a tragedy like this, after sandy hook and

there have been 87 shootings since sandy hook. after each of these terrible incidents i think that congress will have the will to pass these common sense bills to get the guns off the streets and keep them out of the hands of mentally sick people or criminals. yet the political will never seems to be there. we just spent the whole day on hearings on ebola and congress was united and committed to work together to do everything to stop this terrible threat to the health of our citizens. yet when it comes to this terrible assault of guns killing young people across america, the political will needs to be there. we need to ban assault weapons, background checks. it's not even a felony now in america to traffic in illegal

guns. make it a felony. i think that everyone agrees that drug barons shouldn't be able to traffic in illegal guns. gun safety locks for children, making sure they are locked up correctly. there are many steps you can take to keep it out of the hands of people that are just going to use it to kill people. we spent last year $5 billion on cancer research. but congress would not pass a bill that mark and i had 10 million to make guns safer. we study how to make cars safer but congress won't study ways to make guns safer. so it's a challenge. hopefully when we come back, there will be a push for some gun safety laws. but it's long overdue. if we could pass them it would save lives. more people have died from guns

in a two-year period over 58,000 in america, than in the entire war in vietnam which called 58,000 americans. how many people have to die before congress has the political will to act. >> that is the question at this hour. absolutely, congresswoman. that is the question at this hour, what is it going to take? it wasn't too long ago that sandy hook unfolded. how horrific and gut wrenching for the country and the families in that community. it was a big part of president obama's state of the union address. 90% of the american people wanted at least to get background checks. none of that happened. congressman meeks, what are we do believe this incident would bring us to a different conclusion? >> i'm devastate wed have another horrific shooting and then again when you look at, you know, what's taking place across

america, you go to my district, in fact, in new york. too many times i get a notification of someone being shot. you go to chicago where the violence is up and a number of individuals are being shot and these are often time young kids shooting others. and you have a devastating shooting like you have right now. i got another flash on my cell phone, an alert that three sheriff deputies in california have just been shot and a manhunt for them. there are too many guns. i think carolyn maloney has it right. we should be able to do some common sense things. it is easier to get a gun than a driver's license in the united states of america. that just does not make sense to me. you can get a gun before you can get a driver's license. and you know, your earlier guest talked about how in fact in other developed countries, european countries, you are 22

times more likely to be shot in the united states than in those countries. it just says that the access to guns is far too great and i would hope that common sense, you know, i think that it falls on the people that are representatives and the people who elect us, they have to come out strongly and say this is what we want. that will move us to putting an end to the access to the weapons. and the devastation of lives gone far too early. >> is it hard to have a political discussion in the wake of something like this. but everything in this country is political when it comes to laws, rules and regulations. there's no doubt about. that and it is hard to put into perspective exactly what is it going the take for the political will to turn in this country so we would get at least background checks or reevaluate the access

to firearms that people like jaylen fryberg could have. but we are close to an election. and i want to ask you tonight, does this play? does this heighten the intensity of the subject just days away from an election? because when sandy hook took place and it was in january and there was discussion we weren't anywhere near close to an election at that particular time. congresswoman maloney? your thoughts on that? >> i think it should play. we are a democracy and ultimately we get the government that we vote for. hopefully americans will make gun safety part of the criteria they consider when they vote for candidates. i know in washington state they have some -- a referendum on gun safety. hopefully it will pass. every time these terrible incidents happen that gregory meeks described i think this will be the time we'll act. this will be the time that the

political will and determination and joint combination of republicans and democrats will get together and say we've got to stop this. but it never seems to stop. even common sense items. studying gun safety. not only did the bill not pass they passed a bill that said you cannot fund a bill that studies gun safety in the cdc. it's the only area i have seen legislation passed prohibiting ways to make americans safer. it's outrageous. it's hard to believe. it makes no sense whatsoever. people want a gun to protect themselves that are law-abiding and want to go hunting, fine. but criminals and drug addicts and unstable people should not have access to guns. >> and, ed -- >> we are -- go ahead, congressman. >> when you talk about politics we're not talking about democrat

versus republican this is an american issue for the safety of all of us. those kids. they are not democrats or republicans. we have to make sure this is an american issue. we have to do something about it and do it very soon. >> we have a picture now of jaylen fryberg, i'm told, the shooter. this is jaylen fryberg. this is not the firearm that was used today. he is holding a 17 hmr, which -- a horna day magnum rim fire commonly known as a 17 hmr. a rifle cartridge developed by horna day back in 2002. what we can gather from this picture he had access to other firearms other than the pistol he used today. but he was described by a

student at the high school as a happy kid. another picture here of jaylen fryberg who has been identified as the shooter who is now deceased. a freshman football player at mare marysville-pilchuck high school. went into a cafeteria with a pistol. two people are dead, including the shooter. four are injured. three in kit call condition with head wounds and now being administered to at providence hospital. the gunman, as you see there, died of a self-inflected wound. we are moments away from the police giving us a full briefing on what they know here at 5:30 eastern time. congressmen thank you for joining us at this time. we are following the breaking news outside of seattle washington as we await this

update from the marysville police i'd like to ask both of you, would have, carolyn bring you to in new type of legislation that would probably deal strictly with schools? and i asked this question earlier, how can we keep firearms out of schools? i mean, we keep firearms -- we think -- off airplanes in the country going through a tsa and radar -- or you know, a certain detection devices and whatnot, what can we do to make sure that when kids go in a school they are in a safe haven? >> we have some safe havens in new york. you have police in the neighborhoods where the schools are. but at the city council now you have to go through and be checked whether or not you have a gun just like in the capitol and public buildings. they have a check thing you have to go through. maybe we have to initiate that

in our schools. but it's tragic to even think you have to have a whole high-tech system set up to check people for guns. why don't we keep guns out of the hands of children and out of the hands of unstable people and out of the hands of criminals and kingpins in the drug business. too many guns in america in the hands of people who should not have it. we are losing too many lives. is it a national scandal. >> we're going to go to the press briefing right now. here it is. >> 10:39 this morning. as an update from previous releases the scene is secure. we have now transitioned from a dynamic scene to an investigative scene. we have two -- we have a total of six individuals that were involved. two are deceased. one is a male. he was the lone gunman. and one is a female.

four others were injured. three of them were transported to providence hospital in everett and one was treat at the scene and released. the entire school has been -- as far as students -- has been transported away from the school. only law enforcement is on scene along with any students or staff, approximately 30 of them, that were witnesses to what happened. and they are part of the investigation and being questioned. all other students, again, have gone to the reunification. the parents that are at the reunification are being notified that their students or children are still at the school being interviewed for interview purposes. i also have with me mayor john nayring he is going the say a few words.

>> obviously we're deeply saddened by the tragic events today at marysville-pilchuck high school. there are no words to describe this tragedy. it's our priority right now to stand with the families of those that were directly affected with this and the families and students of everybody at marysville-pilchuck high school who went through this tragic event today. i do want to thank several folks here, executive john luvuck and representatives from governor inslee's office, senator cantwell, senator mercy. and governor inslee, i believe i mentioned. the sheriff has been on site since the beginning. we received great partnership from the sheriff's office and from all sorts of surrounding communities that have offered their support. and i also want to say i've been in close contact throughout the morning and the afternoon with the school superintendent becky burg who has asked me to read a

statement and the chairman and vice chairman of the board the -- tribes. our first priority was to get the kids home safely. we'll try to get you information as quickly as we can. i want to thank the marysville pd doing an outstanding job getting the kids out and responding to what needs to come next. i would like to read from the superintendent she asked me to read this message. her priority is being with the families and those involved. on behalf of the marysville school district staff and teachers i want to extend my thoughts and prayers to those involved in this tragedy. when something happened to one of our children it happens to all of us. we are working with local law enforcement in all things involved. thank you for that and we'll continue to update you as the day goes on. >> thank you.

we will be coming back at 5:00 and having another update. will be our next update. we will have additional folks here to answer other questions or provide information. >> do you have a time line, 10:39 was the shooting. give us a time line. >> i will have to put that together and get that to you at 5:00. i have not put together a time line. >> [ inaudible question ]. >> we are not confirming the weapon at this time. it is early in the investigation. we want to do things right. >> how the shooter died? >> don't have that. >> who was the female victim? >> i don't have any idea who the victim was. >> can you explain how the shooter died? >> the shooter died of a self-inflicted gunshot wound. >> do you is a specific body part is this. >> i don't know that. >> do you know the relationship between the shooter and victim? >> i don't know if there was a

relationship. >> were all the victims shot if the cafeteria? >> i believe that is the case. >> is the female victim a student? >> yes. >> can you walk through a narrative of what happened in the cafeteria as far as your understanding right now the. >> i don't have real specific details. so it wouldn't be a good idea for me to put those out there at this time. hopefully we will have another command center review before the 5:00 and we'll see if we can get of that smfgs. >> what is happening right now -- >> at the school what is happening -- >> the snohomish multiagency team, the s.m.a.r.t. team is at the scene. >> how many. >> 30 students and staff. >> it is possible -- >> >> as far as what happened, can you say anything about the relationship between the students, what may have unfolded or is this a random act? >> i don't have that

information. it's too early in the investigation to try and figure out what the relationship was. >> can you tell us what the student resource officer was doing at the time? >> that is something i can find out for you at 5:00. there was a school resource officer that was asigned. he was on duty at the time and he put out the active shooter call that got things rolling. >> we'll be back at 5:00. i appreciate it. we'll be back in just a little bit. >> thank you. >> a very short press briefing by police officials outside the high school tonight. rob laram aechld ux the police official confirming that the second deceased is a girl, a student. and -- but they would not i.d. the deceased. confirming that six people were shot. two were dead. one of them a student, the other, the shooter, dying from a self-inflicted wound.

the school facilities have been evacuated. there were 30 witnesses. they would not confirm the type of weapon used. and they said that there would be another press briefing coming up at 8:00 p.m. eastern time, 5 pacific. the mayor reading a short statement and a statement from the school superintendent becky berg. that is what we know at this hour. joining me is mark glaze, director of every town for gun safety. and clint van zandt, former fbi profiler. interesting that one of the actualities that came from a student that spoke to the media about what had unfolded, the deceased, the shooter, jaylen fryberg was described as a happy kid. what do you make of that? and also very little detail coming from the police.

they don't want to manke a mistake. your thoughts? >> it's more challenging here. last week he was crowned the prince of his high school homecoming. he was described as a happy kid. he is on the football team. i mean, all of these are the exact opposite of the bullied, trench coat mafia, computer nerd, stay by themselves type of student. this guy is everything different than what we're told. and what it tells us, number one, is that there is no profile of a shooter. we try to come up with this. we struggle. i'm an ex-fbi profiler and what you learn is there is no exact mold or model you could put over it. if there was, we would identify these kids and pull them out of class and say let us help you

now. that doesn't mean we can't identify those at risk but we need the information. we need to know who is challenged. but the challenge right now is why this guy and why now? we have to find out because we have to do better in identifying these students. and we have to do better in trying to help them before they act out in violence like this. >> how in the world could he be the prince of a school activity, probably chosen by other students, and not have a lot of friends or be well-liked? i mean, that -- this is -- what do you think of that, clint? this is miystifying right now. >> this is baffling. and we have talked about the number of shootings, 87 shootings in the last 22 months in schools. but this is one of the more baffling ones because you would think to be crowned prince your

fellow students have to vote for you. they have to say we like this guy. he's a freshman. and, yet, he still had enough student backing to vote him into this position. he's described as happy but you -- you know, you show pictures earlier, ed, with him with guns, talking about guns. why he chose a weapon, why he chose these students and what the profilers and the investigators are going to look at, too, is not only why he did it, ed, but why today. we'd like to be able to predict violence with some level of not necessarily accuracy but to suggest who might be the actor who is going to act out and the level of violence. so far everything we heard said this is the exact opposite of somebody we would expect to commit a terrible act like this.

>> well, clint van zandt with your professional expertise and yours of experience, for you to call it baffling speaks volumes of the magnitude of problems we are dealing with in this country. mark glaze, we just never know. it might have been a moment. it might have been an emotion where he snapped. i don't know. none of us know. the information we are getting brings us to more questions than certainly answers. but it goes back to, as i see it, why would a kid feel so enthused about being associated with firearms like that when he has so much going for him in so many activities in his life. he must have had a lot of activities in his life if he is voted prince by his peers in the school and days later something like this happens. your thoughts? >> that's right. you never do know. if you look at mass shootings

there are different facts. of course we have to worry about mental health. but mass shootings by people who are mentally ill is not the day-to-day reality of gun violence. the day-to-day reality is 32 americans are killed every day because people have too much access to arms. so you know, move for a second from analyzing every mass shooting through the prism of what went wrong in this situation with this particular kid. accept that we have to do better at identifying people who are troubled and getting them the help they need. and understand that the much easier problem to deal with that most over industrialized countries dealt with long ago is restricting access to people who should have guns who use them to hunt and self-protection but understand there a lot of people who have no business having guns in their hands and closed loopholes in that law. if you want to talk about why

things aren't changing look at the states. there is a lot of happening. dozens of states have passed important laws protecting victims of domestic violence. the fact that congress isn't moving doesn't mean that nobody is. >> thank you so much for joining us. what we know at this hour, six people were shot at a high school just north of seattle. two people are dead and authorities just moments ago confirming that a female student has been -- has passed away from being shot, is deceased along with the shooter. they did not give identification of the female student. there will be a press briefing this evening 8:00 eastern and 5:00 pacific time. we'll have that here on msnbc. we'll have more on today's breaking news out of washington state after this. stay tuned. we're right back. turn the trips you have to take,

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welcome back to "the ed show." wor still following the news coming out of washington state, where a student opened fire in a high school cafeteria, just north of seattle. law enforcement briefed with the latest on the incident just a short time ago. >> the scene is secure. we have a total of six individuals that were involved. two are deceased. one is a male. he was the lone gunman. and one is a female. four others were injured. three of them were transported to providence hospital in everett, and one of the treated at the scene and released.

the entire school has been, as far as students, has been transported away from the school. only law enforcement is on scene, along with any students or staff, approximately 30 of them that were witnesses to what happened. and they are part of the investigation and being questioned. all other students have gone to the reunification. the parents at the reunification are being notified that their children are still at the school being interviewed. >> two people are dead. one of them a female student who is yet to be identified by authorities. police will hold another presser at 8:00 p.m. eastern time, 5:00 pacific time with more information and any new developments. i'm joined by jane from nebraska and cheryl stum bow, who is the citizen sponsor of the

washington state initiative 594. >> also with us, dave who has covered the shootings at columbine and virginia tech in 2007. cheryl, what are citizens in washington state going to be voting on in the coming days? >> thanks, ed. initiative 594 is going to be on our ballots here in washington state. it allows washington state to extend our existing background checks that take place at federally licensed gun dealers, to all private sales of guns in the state, including online sales, at gun shows, and between other private individuals such as at garage sales. >> and when did the conversation of this come up statewide to get it on the ballot? was it sandy hook that was the incident that propelled this?

>> i think there was a huge gavel anization of people in washington state who realized in the wake of sandy hook that they needed to stand up and do something about preventing gun violence in our state and decided to work on this initiative, try to get it passed through the legislature, make sure we had enough signatures on the petition, if the legislature failed to act, which they did, that we could take it to a direct vote of the people. >> is it your sense that this measure will pass in washington state? >> i'm confident we have the support that we need here in washington state. we i have majority support for universal background checks, as well as for the initiative itself. >> jane, you have experience with school security. your thoughts on what has unfolded today. >> you know, as a school board member and as a parent, i'm sure that's lots of other moms and

dads watching, wondering what they can do. you can make sure that your school district has a strong security plan in place, that the doors automatically lock after school begins, that there are security cameras and clear obstruction of views, that whoever's controlling over the door after school starts, that that is controlled by an adult with proper training. we want to make sure there's proper funding for schools to have proper security, that parents know that a security plan is in place. and schools have the money to pay counselors to identify any issues with troubled students. >> clint van zandt made a very profound observation. in fact, he said that the makeup of this shooter, jalen frib urg, clint vanevant described it as

baffling. this doesn't seem or sound like something we're used to. your thoughts. >> i also heard a congressman on one of the other networks saying this person didn't meet the stereotype. the truth is that most shooters don't meet the stereotype. most of them are not loners, and not outcasts. both the fbi and secret service reports said firmly, that there's no such thing as an accurate profile of these shooters. we really have to get around the idea that there is a particular type. and i've heart it described relentlessly for the last hour or two, as popular, which is probably true to the people outside, observing him. that doesn't mean that's how he saw it. when you read dylan klebold's journal from columbine, he has an extremely loving family, but he writes over and over for a period of two years nothing of

the sort, how no one loves him, how awful it is. he's not seeing it that way. he's seeing it very, very painful, seeing the world through very bleak-colored glasses. just because it looks popular to us, this boy here today may or may not have seen it completely differently than that. >> cheryl stumbo, does this incident help your cause to accomplish successful passing of the measure in the state of washington? what about that? >> you know, i think what we need to keep in mind is, the sad fact is that gun violence happens in our state and country every day. this is not an isolated incident. this is happening every day. thousands and thousands of americans are being killed with guns. and we need to do something about that together. we need to come together and find solutions to that. whether an election is happening

or not, gun violence is happening. >> jane, cheryl, dave, thank you for your time tonight on our korchl here. that is "the ed show." "politicsnation" with reverend al sharpton starts right now. good evening, rev. >> good evening, ed, and thanks to you for tuning in. we start tonight with breaking news, that horrific shooting at marysville pill chuck high school near seattle, washington. two people are confirmed dead. one was the shooter, a student. the other a female victim. law enforcement sources tell nbc news that the shooter has been identified at jalen fryberg. witnesses say he was a freshman and a member of the school football team. he reportedly walked into the cafeteria with a .40 caliber beretta pistol and opened fire