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it was a shock. you think they're on the right path and then you have no idea. >> inside a troubled mind. this afternoon, we're learning more about the possible motives of a high school freshman who opened fire in his school before turning the gun on himself, and the heroic efforts of a cafeteria worker. why some say new rules in quarantine for ebola. the doctor updates. also, isis fighters take a town. the u.s. ramps up the air strikes. concerns grow over the possibility of lone wolf attacker, as new york city police call a hatchet attack an act of terror. a busy saturday afternoon for you. i'm richard lui. we'll begin with the shootings north of seattle. residents of washington are

asking why a 14-year-old freshman pulled a handgun and shot in the school's cafeteria yesterday. one student was killed and four others were wounded before the gunman took his own life. hally jackson is there. can you tell us what is the latest, the condition of those wounded, those teens? >> reporter: absolutely. we had a couple updates this morning from both of the hospitals where the teens are being treated. we'll begin at providence everett hospital. two girls are in critical condition after being shot in the hospital. they're identifying the women. they're 14, and their families released a statement. our family is in shock, they said. we appreciate your thoughts and prayers during the tragedy. our hearts and prayers go out to the victims and their families.

hospital officials say it's going to take really the next three days, really key to see how the girls recover from their injuries. meanwhile, at harbor view hospital, another local hospital, two boys are being treated. one a 15-year-old is in critical condition. the other, 14, is in serious condition, richard. >> drill out the relationship of those victims as well as the shooter. >> reporter: so the two boys we were talking about, we're getting word they are cousins of the suspected gunman who law enforcement sources identify as jaylen fryberg. this is coming from the grandfather of the boys. we're understanding more about the relationship between the suspected gunman and the victims. there's no official word from police about how this shooter knew the young woman who was killed yesterday just after 10:30 when he opened fire in the cafeteria here at marysville

pull chuck. >> we're getting information about how the cafeteria worker came to the rescue here. >> he potentially stopped more damage being done from the shooter. interestingly, we heard from the mayor this morning earlier on msnbc, who said it wasn't this particular individual. there were so many heroic efforts by teachers, by emergency responders, by the people who came and showed up, by the students themselves for what was really an orderly procession, orderly evacuation out of the school yesterday. this was something that marysville rehearsed. they had done drills on an active shooter situation. a lot of heros here, and we're working to fine od out more abo the lunch later. >> we'll check back later for more developments. as you were saying, amazing individuals there at the school in marysville. this came after the deadly

rampage in colorado. columbine teacher joins us now. we were just hearing from hallie. it's amazing to hear the stories. in this case, a cafeteria worker could be more than she was reported to us. that is always something we have to keep in mind, is how they're more ready than we were 15 years ago. >> definitely. so many times when i reach out to the students after another tragedy that occurs, the first thing they do in many cases is they thank me. i said, why are you thanking me? they said because of the lessons learned. i think as a result of what happened at columbincolumbine, different policies in place with law enforcement agencies, teaching the students and staff to react to an event. the one sure thing we know at this point is there is no one that's immune from a tragedy

occurring. if you would have asked me 15 years ago, could a columbine happen at columbine, i would have said no. >> every time these news stories come on, you're watching them, hear them, react to them. just to put a number behind what we've seen recently, yesterday's attack was the -- if we have the numbers right -- 87th school shooting since the sandy hook shooting in connecticut two years ago. what do you go through when you see another attack like this happen? >> anyone that's been part of what i call this club that no one wants to be a member is refrar retraumatized. yesterday when i saw viewing for the first time, i knew something was wrong because i started receiving phone calls from media outlets. once i got on the internet and looked at the footage there, even though there's kids in a different state, when they're coming out with their hands up in the air, something we refer to as a columbine march, we're

re-traumatized. all of a sudden, i'm sitting there in a meeting with people and they know i'm being affected by what i've seen. i think anyone who deals with a tragic event deals with post-traumatic stress disorder. everyone was taken back yesterday by what they saw in washington. >> you were describing how another school becomes part of this club that you don't want to really have. when you do speak with the leaders from these different school districts around the country after a catastrophe like this happens, what do you talk about? what is that one-on-one like? >> it's amazing. i have called every school that's been affected by school shootings. i can remember receiving a phone call from a man named bill bonds who was at a school where they had a school shooting. i don't remember talking to him, but he said, write down my number. you don't even know what you're

going to need at this point. i do the same thing. right now, they're experiencing a state of shock. they'll go through anger. as more information comes out, they'll be struggling with that. what will happen down the road for three months out, six months out, that's when my phone will ring and they're looking for help. i just experienced that recently in chardon, a town outside of cleveland, that their principal kept my number and we've been in contact. what do you do when the one year anniversary comes around? the two year anniversary? what do we do for the first graduation? i reached out to washington and hopefully they'll give me a call, not that i have all the answers, but i have experienced it and i can offer advice. >> frank, do you have anything formal or informal where you all touch base maybe once a year, gather in some location? >> one of the things that i've tried to do is keep in contact with people via phone. recently, i did spend time up at

chardon with andy. i spent time at virginia tech. we're a phone call away. i know in february, bill bond and i will be at the national association of secondary principals conference in san diego, talking, how do you recover from a tragic event. a lot of the people a part of the shootings will end up there. we can share our stories and help others that hopefully will not have to experience it. if they do, there's a lot of support for them. >> frank, quickly, what do you think we still can improve on from what you've seen happen, just within the last week? >> we need to continue to give support to these kids who are crying out for help. i'm sure as time goes on, as you stated earlier, we'll find out more information. was this kid crying out for help? was there support in place? i think so many times what will happen now is the debate over guns. stricter gun control, things of that nature. one of the things we have to realize is we cannot

underestimate the power of getting help for kids that are crying out. as i stated on numerous occasions, these kids do not come out of their mother's womb hating. what developed from the time they were born to the point where they carry out this horrific act? >> we'll try to get more information on that next hour with a former fbi profiler. thank you for your perspective. former columbine principal. appreciate it. >> thank you. now to the other story we're following. ebola, there are several developments today on the virus starting in new york. craig spencer is entering his third day in isolation. his fiance who is there is expected to be released today and will return to the apartment the two share and self-monitor for symptoms at that location. also, three states are imposing mandatory quarantine periods for high-risk travelers. people coming into the united states who had contact with patients in ebola-affecting

countries in africa, including mali. they go further than cdc procedures. however, the travel guidelines will beef upstarting soon. >> starting this week, the travelers will be required to report their temperatures and any symptoms on a daily basis for 21 days, until we're confident they don't have ebola. here at the white house, my new ebola response coordinator is working to ensure a seemless response across the federal government. we've been examining the protocols for protecting our health care workers. >> we're live on manhattan's east side outside of bellevue hospital. from texas up to new york, what can you tell us about the doctor's condition today? >> reporter: well, richard, the hospital is telling me they're going to give an update a little later today. at last check, we know dr. craig spencer was in stable condition and he actually felt well enough yesterday to make phone calls, to talk to family and talk to

friends. now, the cdc had to get creative to track his movements and any possible contacts he had in between the time he started feeling tired to when he developed the fever. they looked at his credit cards, metro card. they even utilized the help of the nypd missing person's unit to trace his movements. in the end, there were three possible contacts. his fiance and two friends, and a number of places he visited, a restaurant, bowing alley, took a subway, went for a run. those things. those businesses, the rest raurt and bowling alley, they have gone through a decontamination process and reopened. his apartment is going through the same process. it's quiet there now. we're hearing reports from entities that that fiance, who is currently in the hospital behind me, could be going home today, back to her home. neither she nor the two friends

of his are exhibits symptoms of ebola now. >> what do we know about the new jersey nurse? >> great news there. she tested negative today for ebola. she was one of the first people -- she was the first person to be affected by the mandatory quarantine law -- rhurule now in new york and new jersey. she didn't have symptoms when she was first emitted into isolation, but she got a fever on friday night. now the good news that that is not ebola preliminary tests. doctors will continue to monitor her. they're consulting with the cdc and health department as to if any future tests may potentially be needed. >> that's the latest outside of bellevue hospital. thanks. new today, what might be the most significant victory in months for iraqi security forces battling isis. also, the latest weapon in the isis arsenal. we'll talk live with richard engle next. etables...

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u.s. and coalition war planes today carried out new attacks on isis targets. 22 missions were carried out since yesterday, most in iraq. isis fighters this week have been accused by officials of using chlorine gas bombs in iraq and syria. secretary of state telling reporters friday, the u.s. will investigate the reports. >> i can tell you that we take these allegations very, very seriously. in particularly, the most recent allegations about the use of chlorine as a chemical weapon. the use of any chemical weapon is in an act, against international law, and these recent allegations underscore the importance of the work that we are currently engaged in. >> obama met with his national

security team at the white house yesterday to discuss the campaign against isis in iraq and syria. we have two reports on the developing situation. our chief foreign correspondent richard engle is in turkey, and kristin is at the white house. richard, we'll start with you. on the chlorine weapons, what do we know about them? how often are they using them? where are they coming from? >> reporter: we've spoke ton a senior kurdish official, and he said in the town of kobani, a town that is currently under attack by isis, a town that the united states is trying to defend, victims in kobani were telling officials they were suffering from unusual conditions. talking about blisters on their skin, burning of their eyes, difficulty breathing, could hgh. they are currently investigating, but they do not know what chemical substance may

have been used. a reason they think it could have been chlorine is because isis has been accused of using chlorine gas in iraq. last month in a town, 11 iraqi police officers were injured. according to iraqi officials, they were injured when isis militants used a chlorine bomb. chlorine is not classified as a chemical weapon. it is an industrial chemical, the one used to purify your pool, drinking water. if it's attached to an explosive device and put particularly in a closed space, the gas can be caustic and potentially lethal. >> let's go to the white house. this is a topic you've had conversations there about, and this is the use of chemical weapons. we're talking about chlorine gas right now. the reports of that. how is the white house responding to this? >> reporter: white house echoin heard from the secretary.

it would undermine the necessity to defeat isis. they're not preparing to confirm that chemical weapons were used. they're looking into the reports. i had a robust exchange with the white house press secretary and asked him how close the administration was to confirming the allegations, that chemical weapons may have been used. no timeline in terms of confirming it. i also asked if this would change the u.s. strategy in iraq and syria. he declined to answer that. clearly, this is something that the administration is concerned abili about. president obama said it was a red line, if they were to use chemical weapons. once it was confirmed, it changed the strategy, at least initially in dealing with syria. the administration is very concerned in trying to confirm the reports. >> richard, if you can talk to us about what's happening on the ground there with the attacks, kobani we understand there has been movement there. we're talking about the strike

outside of the area. perhaps a sign that isis advance in the key city is weakening. what are you seeing? >> reporter: we don't see the isis advance weakening. what we have been seeing is a status quo emerging, where isis has not been able to advance, in large part because the united states is carrying out many air strikes in and around kobani. in fact, the majority of u.s. air power that is being focused against isis in syria is now directed at the militants who are in and around kobani. that has given the kurdish defenders of kobani some breathing room. it's given them an ability to hold on to the city. they have not been able to push isis out. isis, we are told, is continuing to try and take the rest of kobani. right now, it has a third of the city. by sending in car bombs, mortar attacks, artillery attacks,

suicide bombers rushing from the isis areas into the kurdish areas. it is certainly not settled right now. just back on to the earlier point of the chlorine gas. chlorine gas is not a chemical weapon, and it's also not terribly effective. the insurgents who are now isis used to be the same insurgents that american troops fought in iraq for many years. those insurgents in iraq, particularly in 2006 and 2007, tried to use chlorine gas many times against iraqi officials, against u.s. troops. often times, they'd take a canter truck full of chlorine gas, rig it with explosives and try to drive it at -- direct it at american posts. it was not a terribly effective weapon because it disperses quickly, can blow back on to the people who launch it, and it's not that concentrated. it's certainly nothing like any of the class one chemical

agents. >> good distinction. kristin, a national security meeting with the president, all the wheels turning. do we know what happened to that? >> reporter: we know the president was updated on the strategy to fight isis. also, to train the iraqi forces that the u.s. hopes will serve as ground troops. the challenge there on the part of the administration is it could take up to a year to train those forces. at this point in time, the strategy really is solely based on air strikes. a key part of the strategy is getting the iraqi forces trained so they can get in on the ground there. military officials saying that is key to being successful in its effort against isis. the administration wants to form a broader coalition of ground troops by getting arab nations to sign on to that. they haven't been able to do that. that's a challenge moving forward for the administration. >> thank you so much to you both with the latest. should a doctor just back

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the debate over a travel ban for people traveling to the u.s. from west africa, that's growing louder. as of today, three states are taking matters into their own hands. they're imposing three-week quarantines for anyone coming into the u.s. from an ebola affecting country who had direct contact with ebola patients, regardless if they have symptoms or not. that's stricter than cdc guidelines. that's just someone's checking their temperature upon landing. here with me is a doctor, dean at baylor college. good to have you here. >> good to be here, richard.

>> tell us about these new quarantine guidelines, stricter than the cdcs. >> i think to understand it, you have to understand where the 21 day period comes from. there is misconception in the community. it is not a magical number. it's a probability. it means that after 21 days, if you haven't been exposed to the ebola virus and you have no symptoms after 21 days, there's a 95% likelihood you won't be effected and sick. the truth is, you can push that number back to 16 days. >> what's that? >> by then, the vast majority of people, if you still haven't gotten sick, you're not going to get the ebola virus. the mean period is 12 days. >> that's the middle, 50/50 is what you're telling me? >> yeah. 16 is the majority. having said that, even 21 days is not a magical figure. there's 1 in 20 people who can

get the virus. you can go crazy with this. i think what makes more sense is first of all get rid of the 21 day number. let's think about a 16 day number. it makes more sense. that would maybe be less onerous if you are a health care worker who is taking time off to work in liberia. that way, you can come back after 16 days and not lose all that income. that's one thing to consider. the other thing that is important to realize is after you -- if you god forbid become sick with ebola, the first days after the illness, you're not contagious. i know it sounds counterintuitive, but there is no risk that this doctor in bellevue transmitted the infection to others on the subway or in restaurants or bowling alleys. people are completely safe. the problem that you get into in taking care of ebola patients is that as you become sick and your

disease progresses and you're sick enough to be in the hospital, that's when the viral load, the amount of virus in your body becomes high. then the risk increases substance shl substancely. >> that's when you move to the hospitals. they have separate plumbing, coming from decades of preparation. >> you ask me what worries me about ebola in new york. it has nothing to do with the subway, but it's the people taking care of the doctor in the hospital. once his viral load is high, there's great risk of transmitting the virus to health care professionals. that's what happens in liberia. who is getting sick? not people walking around the streets. it's health care providers, number one. if you can't get your loved one to the hospital and have to take care of the individual at home, those are the people bearing the load. >> today, we're talking about 10,000 cases. we're looking at mali, the sixth

country to have exposure to ebola. that might concern people. we also have new technology used in airports here in the united states. we might remember back to sars and how it was identifies in terms of potential cases of that disease. tell us why we should feel comfortable? >> we have a level of screening. it is possible an individual without a fever could slip through the cracks in terms of coming into one of the five airports designated from west africa. i think one of the ways to close the loop is be more innovate v you and use new technology. there are rapid tests being developed for ebola. a pinprick of blood. that could lower the probability even more. ultimately, i'm not concerned we're going to have an ebola outbreak in the united states. the governor is calling for a 21-day quarantine, saying what a public health threat it is. it is a political decision more

than a scientific decision. the concern about public health is the flu season coming on board and making certain everyone is getting their flu vaccine, or hospital acquired infections. these are greater infectious disease threats to the population than ebola. >> thank you so much. >> thanks for having me. officials confirmed remains found in rural virginia, that they're that of a missing student. the remains were found more than a month after the 18-year-old hannah graham went missing. jesse matthew is charged with her abduction. on behalf of the family, speaking for myself as well, our thoughts go out to the graham family. we're continue to pray for them throughout the ordeal. after attacks this weekend, canada and new york, are extremist groups having an effect on the front? far.

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well, after attacks this week in canada and here in new york city, new questions are being raised about the influence of extremist groups, including isis, in the west, especially when it comes to lone wol it was. earlier in canada, a gunman opened fire inside the parliament building and killed a soldier guarding a war memorial nearby. another man hit soldiers with his car in a terrorist attack. in new york city, a man with a hatchet attacked four police officers, hitting one in the head and the other in the arm. the commissioner called it a terrorist attack. there is an article in the new york times. in each case, the violence was plotted or executed by individuals moved by the messages of islamist extremists and it all took place in the one month since the islamic state began exhorting muslims in the west to commit acts. joining me is a former cia

officer. jack, thanks for being with us. all of the cases that we were just mentioning, when we think of that dynamic, that concept of a lone wolf, how would you tie that all together to the idea? >> i think that's the biggest concern that we have here. when you have somebody who has no direct link, nobody who has absolute contact, somebody who is inspired by a group, is in this case, al qaeda is what we've seen in the past, and moving out, taking action on their own behalf, without any direct contact, that's what makes a lone wolf. that's what is very, very scary. the ability to reach out and find them is very difficult, until they do it. >> evolution of the definition of lone wolf, has that changed? we had the al qaeda period of maybe two decades, which was a flat, if you will, outreach to those who might follow their objectives. to now this more complex isis approach. we've heard the media savviness

that they have. therefore, the concept of what a lone wolf is has changed. >> without question. it's a great point that you're making. if we think about the difference, you look at what al qaeda was doing. in many ways, they were reaching out into the world and saying, come and fight with us. what you're seeing from isis is a much more strategic approach that says, reach out and do things on our behalf. go out and do things in your own countries. we'll looking at what happened in canada, looking at the capability. we're looking at the three kids from denver, colorado. we're looking at the young man from australia. we're looking at so many instances where they're not just reaching out there to fight, but the ability to pop up wherever they are. >> you're particular probably with this. the author of lone wolf terrorism, says there's five types. secular, religious, single issue, criminal and idiosyncratic. those are five types he lists in terms of lone wolf attackers.

has something changed in recent years, post 9/11, where now what it takes to, if you will, actualize any one of the five types, has been lowered, the amount of energy, sense of being connected? has that evolved? >> i think it has evolved. the internet is so interactive now in such a way that you can reach into somebody's home, reach into somebody's basement and motivate them in ways we really haven't seen before. for those people who feel disenfranchis disenfranchised, you can go through anyone who feels this way, and you connect with an organization and say, go out and do good work. i put that in parentheses. realize what you can motivate people to do. >> look at this in the christian science monitor, quote, isis prays on western youth who has no sense of purpose of belonging. like gangs that offer family. isis offers teens a chance to join a group that gives them

purpose and meaning, however misguided. how do you stop that? >> unfortunately, that's the difficulty. what is necessary in this case is for authorities to be able to reach out to those organizations, those people who might be disenfranchised. people they're religiously based. they may be seeking muslims who feel somehow left out. the problem is, there are so many people at so many levels that feel disinfrenfranchisedis. you can't reach them all. i think what you have to do is continue to educate and articulate exactly what isis truly is so you can reach as many people so they can understand what it is they do. rather than what isis claims they do. that is a huge distinction. >> former cia officer jack rice, thank you for that discussion. >> absolutely. two years ago today, hurricane sandy made land fall. as it went across the caribbean, it caused damage and looked like it would get worse. >> because it has such scary

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nation. let's start with a shooter, 14-year-old boy, the weapon, a .40 caliber handgun. how easy is it for a child to get this kind of weapon from the cases you've seen in the past? >> well, it's extremely easy. in this case, i think it belonged to his parents. we don't require parents to lock guns away from children in america. we don't require parents to keep ammunition separate from guns. that's part of the reasons why americans are 20 times more likely to be victims of gun violents than citizens of other nations. other developed nations figured it out, when you have stricter gun laws you can protect children from these horrors. >> if this 14-year-old was able to get hold of the parents' gun, in this case, that's what we understand it to be, family owned, what is the legal responsibility of those parents? what might happen? could they be sued? >> they could be sued for negligence. that's not a great deal of

justice for the family members of the girl who was killed or the four injured. a lawsuit, all you can get at the end of that is money damages. many people don't even want to go that route when they have a child who is deceased. what we need are stricter gun laws across the board, background checks and certainly requiring things like trigger locks and child safety locks on guns. so the 14-year-old -- this is a child -- can't get a gun on an angry day, go to school and shoot up the school. as you point out, 87 shootings in the last two years in america. most developed countries have none. >> when you look at this case, any nuances that stand out to you, or unfortunately you might say like it's the other 87? >> listen, we can spend a lot of time, and we do in the media, trying to figure out motive and analyzing the phycology. the fact is, young boys and men have moments of anger, moments of mental illness, and they tend to lash out.

they like guns and violence. it's very, very sad and certainly not all. i keep going back to other countries, because other countries have angry boys and young men, but they don't have school shootings or shootings anywhere near the level we have in america. we're number one in the world for gun homicides. we don't have strict gun laws which can save lives. unfortunately in that sense, it is the same story. >> just for our audience, we just got the names of the two individuals that were injured in this case. two boys, actually, that are in serious condition right now. one is in serious and one is in critical. one is nate and the other is andrew. again, serious condition as well as critical in that order. back to you here, lisa. the gun law debate going on strong in washington state, like

many places in the country. there will be two gun laws in november. one would expand background checks on gun sales and transfers, and the other would bar the state from an expansion there. how effective would these be to lowering the severity of such situations we're talking about today? >> those are good measures. background checks, for example, are supported by the majority of nra members. that shouldn't be controversial. we have over 80 gun deaths a day in america. about half are homicides, half are suicides. any of the measures can take a couple of those homicides off the table day by day. we can lower it to 75, lower it to 70, lower it to 50. any of the measures can save lives. they're certainly worth doing. >> lisa bloom, thank you so much for your help today. >> thank you. a solution to help aging americans that comes from a kid. it's for the millions that suffer from alzheimer's. he's 16 years old.

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a sensor on anal timer's patient's foot that can present them from wandering. it's today's big idea. it was developed to help his grandfather. it's a problem that affects more than 60% off afa patients. the alert is triggered to the caregiver's smart phone. this device took home the first prize in the science in action award. the inventor joining me now. also, the editor in chief of scientific american who gave him the award. let's start with you. kenneth, how does this work? you've got the sock in your hand. you've also got a smart phone there. tell me. >> sure. it's a device that consists of a pressure sensor, circuit, right here, and a smart phone app. the pressure sensor is adhered to the bottom of the patient's

sock, or it's adhered to the bottom of the patient's foot. >> is it a sticker? >> a sensor right here. >> you put it on any sock? >> yes, any with velcro on it. >> you have one of your foot. you have your smart phone. it's on your right foot. if you stand, it'll send a signal. >> i have to turn it on. once i connect it to my smart phone. >> once you put your foot down, it sends a signal. >> yes. >> it says off the bed. it's that simple. >> right. >> how much does it cost? >> at the moment, it costs between $20 to $25 to make, and i'm planning to commercialize it soon to make it affordable for caregivers. >> when you look at this, he got the award for a good reason, it seems. its success rate is something that stands out. >> right. the award is about something

that can make a practical difference in people's lives, almost right away, and it's part of the google science fair every year. we were impressed with the reliability of the invention. the judges found it inspiring because millions of people suffer from this. >> was it overwhelming? >> we love seeing all of the inventions every year, but this stood out for large practical scale impact and ability to put into effect almost right away. as he pointed out, he's already working on an efficient way to do it and maybe we can make it more affordable for more people. >> you did this for your grandfath grandfather. >> yes. >> how did the situation with your grandfather inspire you? >> i grew up in a family with grew generations. i've been close to my grandfather. when i was 4 years old, my grandpa and i were walking in japan and he suddenly got lost. it was one of the scariest moments i experienced and the first instance that told us he

had the disease. over the years, his condition got worse and worse. he wandered out of bed more frequently which put stress on my aunt. seeing her struggle to take care of him, as well as see my grandpa suffer from accidents at night inspired me. >> you sing to me. i don't know if we have the tape. he sings to his grandfather. do we have that? [ singing in foreign language ]. >> kenneth, what is the song? what do you sing to him? what was he sing together you when he sang it to you as a child? >> he used to sing it to me as a child. in order to keep his memory alive, i sing it to him. it's sort of a cycle. i'm teaching it to him again after he taught it to me. >> what are the words? >> it's a chinese song. [ singing foreign language ]. >> what's it mean? >> i believe it's talking about a bridge in china. it's an old song, one that my

grandfather learned when he was a child back in the 1930s. >> what is your grandfather know about what you're doing today? it's probably tough for him, but he inspires you, no doubt. he's probably with you as you are here today even talking to us. >> unfortunately, my grandfather is no longer able to remember me, who i am, or most of the members of my family. he's lost the ability to perform a lot of basic functions, like walking, talking, eating by himself. it's heartbreaking to see the effect this disease has had on my grandfather. if he were lucid enough to recognize me, i hope he'd be proud of me. >> if he said one word to you, what do you think the word would be? >> congratulations, or it's definitely keeping people safe. i hope he'd be proud of what i'm doing. >> i'm sure without a doubt, he is very proud of what you're doing. >> thank you. >> thank you so much. thank you so much for giving him the award. that's fantastic. do you have a big idea?

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concerns grow over the possibility of lone wolf attackers as new york city police call a hatchet attack a lone wolf terrorist attack. residents of washington are asking why a student shot in his cafeteria. one student was killed and four others were injured before the gunman took his own life. hallie is there for us. >> reporter: hi there. good afternoon. >> what do we know? what is the latest in terms of the wounded teens? we got two names of the two boys announced in the last hour. >> reporter: hospital officials say 14-year-old nate hatch is in serious condition, and 15-year-old andrew fryberg is in critical condition. the grandfather of these boys says they are actually related to the suspected shooter, identified by law enforcement sources as jaylen fryberg. the grandfather says they are cousins.

we're getting more information today from a different hospital on the conditions of two 14-year-old girls who were shot in the head. both of them are still in critical condition. we're talking about g gia soria and shaylee chuckulnaskit. the next days will be critical for the girls, as far as how they recover and what kind of injuries and lasting injuries they'll have from this. >> also, new information last hour, we were talking about the cafeteria worker. i understand we have more information, more data on that. >> reporter: we do. the cafeteria worker who apparently tried to stop the shooter. we're getting information from the marysville education association, says she's a social studies teacher. she tried to stop the shooter. this is her first year teaching, although she was a student teacher last year.

she played a part in trying to stop the shooting, telling nbc news, she's trying to cope herself and requesting privacy. perhaps there was confusion since the teacher was new, maybe people thought she was a cafeteria worker since she was in there. many stories of heroism and people rushing in to try to help that we've been hearing today. >> all the educators, all those who work at the locations can quickly turn and be -- >> the emergency responders. >> it's amazing. thank you so much, hallie. let's bring in our analyst and former fbi profiler. clint, good day. this young man doesn't seem to fit the profile we've come to expect in this shooting. a fellow student telling nbc news, he seemed like a normal kid. you'll probably tell me, there is no type that necessarily fits to this. what would you say? >> well, richard, you're right in that. number one, i think, as parents and grandparents, we never think

we see the day when we send our children off to school and they may not come home again. as you know, too, in the last 22 months, we've had 87 shootings. and each time we do this, we go through the soul searching. we can say, okay, i know what was done, and i know why he did it, but i still don't understand. this particular case, we're told that this young man had some -- a boyfriend-girlfriend issue, that someone made a racial slur against him. noting that he's a native american. that he was temporarily put off the football team. richard, you and i say no big deal. for him, that's three major crises that took place in his life. some people just cannot handle that many crises that come at them one time, especially as young as this man was. >> in the last 24 hours, you've discussed this, been asked this

as a former profiler, motive. >> yes. >> we have the social media information that you were just describing. if you were sitting now in the room with the fbi, with the local police, what's your hypothesis? what do you put out there that is reasonable? >> well, the one thing you learn when you're dealing, especially with young people, are anyone today who is any type of activity on social media, richard, we have what we call psychological leakage. that's where someone is going to commit a terrible act or maybe has a mental illness, something is going on. they get on the internet, get on twitter, and they roll the things out. they roll statements out. usually, you can track this. it's not over night. in this particular case, it may be days or weeks. there's going to be information there. the challenge is always, richard, who is looking at it and who is putting it together. i think as an fbi profiler, that's one of the things i'd always say.

whenever anyone sees, looks like an individual is in duress, shown on their internet account whatsoev whatsoever, that's the time we need to tell somebody. if you're a child, tell your parents, tell a teacher. talk to the friend. it seems like this guy was the perfect young man who had everything going for him. you take away the mask of perfection, and you find out he is like every one of us, richard. he has challenges going on. he has needs. those went unaddressed. in some of the terrible cases, 87 times in less than the last two years, they've been acted out just like this. different faces, same type of scenarios. >> let me build on that number that you've now quoted twice. the fbi, your former employer, completing a comprehensive report on active shooting incidents. it found an increase in the types of shootings over the past several years.

why are we seeing this? what can we learn from this? >> well, we have. if we look at the last 14 years, for example, take the first seven and the second seven. the shooting incidents, mass shootings in this country have just about doubled. i think there's a lot of psychologists, psychiatrists, fbi profilers scratching their head, but part of it is that when people don't have an outlet for conflict resolution, when they don't know how to resolve conflicts within them and conflicts from without, many times now, they're looking for an example of what to do. the examples they see are pick up a handgun, pick up a rifle. as we see in new york, pick up a hatchet. we see people acting out in violence because that's the model that society is giving them for conflict resolution. richard, you know, i've always felt, we've got to start dealing with people not when they're in high school and not when they're

in their 20s and 30s, we need to deal with children in the first grade, second grade, third grade, and teach them conflict resolution skills. so when they get older like this young man, 15 years old, they have some choices. they don't simply turn to a gun that their parents happen to have in the house. they turn to a friend, turn to a teacher, turn to somebody else and say, i have problems and it's eating me up, instead of acting out like this. >> analyst and former fbi profiler, thank you. moving to the latest on ebola. three states are imposing new quarantine rules for travelers. they'll be subject to a 21 day quarantine. right now, illinois, new jersey and new york. that's a turn, especially in new york when two days ago where the governor said there is no reason to panic. meanwhile, craig spencer remains in a new york hospital after being diagnosed with ebola. his fiance has been isolated at

the hospital for fear she might become symptomatic. officials are expected to release her and let her self-monitor today. sara, i understand we have an update on dr. spencer's contacts. >> reporter: yes, that is correct. there were three contacts the cdc identified. his fiance and two of his friends. according to new york's mayor, all are in good condition. no one is showing any signs of illness right now. now, as for dr. spencer, the new york health commissioner says he is also in stable condition. they do see, however, it is likely that he is going to get worse before he gets better. that is something we've seen happen in all of the cases that have been treated here. doctors cautioning there will be a lot of ups and downs when somebody is fighting off the illness. good days and bad. the cdc had to get creative in training dr. spencer's movements. they used his metro card and

utilized the missing person's unit. in the end, they identified a couple businesses he frequented, including a bowling alley and restaurant, both of which have been decontaminated. the mayor, his wife and health commissioner eating there today to prove to the public that there is nothing to fear. >> sara, where you're standing, unique capabilities, at least for the last 20 years, i understand, there at bellevue hospital. how they're handling an ebola patient. they've invested millions of dollars. >> reporter: that is correct. this is not the first infectious disease that doctors here have dealt with. in fact, they've been treating tuberculosis for years. they were deg nasignated the go spot because of that. they have a isolation unit, and they've set up satellite labs in the isolation unit so they don't have to take the samples of bodily fluids outside of the

containment unit. they want to keep it all together, all in one, and be able to track everything. they're also implementing a buddy system. it's something we've seen the cdc come out with in the new guidelines issued in the last week. the buddy system for people to keep an eye on each other, help each other follow procedure. a lot of things are changing as we learn more about ebola and learn more about treating it here in the united states. >> part of those special units, i understand, at bellevue, they have the rooms where the buddies can monitor each other as they're getting ready and as they leave the unit itself. a lot of preparation there. outside of those units in new york, thank you so much. >> reporter: thank you. what has the ebola outbreak taught us about containing the virus in the u.s.? we'll talk to an epidemiologist who has seen what we're up against. and when weather hits, it's data mayhem.

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u.s. officials say the risk of a widespread ebola outbreak in the u.s. is extremely low. in west africa, the virus continues to spread. there are now four west african countries where the virus is spreading. guinea, sierra leone, liberia and mali. that's six countries as of today. here at home, dr. craig spencer remains in stable condition at a new york city hospital. the hospital has received high marks on the handling of the case. we'll get more on what's going on in west african from an epidemiologist. thank you for being with us, doctor. you were in a city in sierra leone. what has the u.s. been able to learn that can prevent a similar spreading incident here from what you've seen. >> the situation there is different. we've seen this week that the total number of cases in guinea,

liberia and sierra leone exceeds 10,000. the number of cases is probably closer to 20,000, but only about half of the people who have ebola are being treated in hospitals. the typical person with ebola who goes to a hospital is only being admitted for care three or four days after onset of symptoms. the case of fatality rate is nearly 50%. it's a different situation than the u.s., where people are admitted for care right away and are able to receive advanced medical therapy in the highest tech facilities we have. >> it's double, actually 20,000. why is this number that large? >> that's probably the estimate. we're not able to count because people who don't go to a hospital don't get tested. they're not part of the official counts. part of the reason people are not going to a hospital is there aren't enough beds available. we need doctors, we need nurses and other health professionals proouts from outside to be willing to provide care.

unless we have people to take care of people, there wouldn't be enough beds for everyone who wants access to hospital treatment, and even to diagnose it. >> what do you make here of mali, just within the last 24 hours, becoming the sixth country, and now we understand there are discussions about borders there in mali about how they might be closing areas to other countries. is that effective? are we seeing something that is growing at a rate they did not expect because we're adding mali to the list now? >> i think it's growing at a slower rate than some predicted. some of the early models said we might have hundreds of thousands of cases this early in the outbreak. to some extent, the border checks have been effective. on the other hand, the outbreaks started in guinea. it spread across to sierra leone and to liberia. it's not 100%. the situation in mali is similar to the u.s., where they had an imported case.

somebody became ill elsewhere came across the border. they'll be trying to do contact tracing like we're doing now in new york city. >> the contact tracing, which is going strongly and fervently at this moment in new york city, we also have the new jersey nurse who -- the good news we're getting today is the nurse tested negative for ebola. she had the opportunity to speak to the dallas morning news. according to what they're reporting, after being quarantine, she was criticizing her treatment at newark airport. also in the report, she said her daughter called her saturday morning, trying in frustration at being held in a tent at the hospital. you see this push-pull, the tough balance, if you will, as the kwaquarantine measures are e strict in some states than the cdc measures are themselves. talk about the balance and the difficulty, as we're getting the report now, on the negative respective on how she was

treated, the new jersey nurse. >> from an infectious control standpoint, we have lots of evidence that shows people who are not yet sick are not contagious. locking people up in a hospital when they are not yet symptomatic is probably unnecessary for preventing the spread. on the other hand, we are seeing that people are really anxious about ebola. politicians and government officials are trying to be responsive to the concerns of people. implementing these measures to provide that assurance to the public is probably helpful for our collective psychological health, even if it's not necessary from an infection control standpoint. >> thank you for your time. a brutal hatch elet attack declared an act of terrorism. >> this issue, the self radicalized, the lone wolf, if you will, has grown to be one of increasing concern.

there are growing concerns about the threat of lone wolf terror attacks. the concerns rising after multiple attacks in canada and one in new york city. lone wolf terrorism was the topic of a study done in 2012. the study found that the ideology of the majority of those who engage in lone wolf terrorism falls into these categories. antigovernment is the most prevalent. if you look at how they gain information, mainly from using the internet. before 2008 and after 2008, the number of cases per year involving internet contact. it was, on average, one per year before 2008. after 2008, five. then the prevalence of the fraction of total cases being involved with internet use growing from 30% to 80% on the average. the study looked at the weapons of choice as they went about their mission. bombs were used by 54% in the cases. firearm, 29%.

vehicle and knives at the bottom at 2%. what can be done to protect against the threat of lone wo wolves? joining me now, former cia counterterrorism analyst and co-author of find, fix, finish, inside the terrorism campaigns that killed bin laden and devastated al qaeda. i laid out these bits of information up to 2012 after 2001. what stands out to you? >> listen, stopping lone wolves is an intelligence nightmare. imagine every nut who has a political or religious grudge, and then you have to ask law enforcement and the intel where she knows agencies to pay attention to the fellas. there are all kinds of issues as well in civil liberties. the person who shot in ottawa earlier this week, he actually

had no real sort of actual intelligence to suggest he was going to carry this attack out before he started shooting. what was the canadian enforcement services supposed to do? he tried to get his passport to go potentially to syria. other than that, that does not exactly say that he's going to start shooting up parliament hill. >> help me with the numbers here. we're looking at post 9/11 up until 2012, about 53 cases of lone wolf attacks. we also have the number from newtown until today, and over 80 cases of shootings. why do we see this influx? what is the pivot point? >> there are many perspectives. one thing is you have individuals who are accessing other like-minded individuals. for example, if you are an isis sympathizer, you have access now to terrorist and jihadist material, more than you did

several years ago. back in 2004, 2005, it was much harder to grab and get propaganda. you can get it on youtube. you can find all kinds of things on the internet. for those who want to commit violence, it's easier to receive propaganda. >> as the "new york times" called it online jihad 3.0, is it that complexity, where they have video, where they have hour long documentaries on what they'd like done with their propaganda? of course, with eknow tn the multi-language tweets. is this creating the new generation? >> isis is good and adept at social media. you want to compare them to al qaeda in iraq. they did a lot of internet beheadings and all kinds of terrorist propaganda. isis knows how to leverage the social media in ways that other organizations, even hezbollah

and hamas have never been able to do. they really want to branch out to other countries and peoples who don't speak arabic. people who speak other languages have access to the documentat n documentation. >> if there is a 3.0 we're talking about, the latest generations, is it then the generation where you would not call them lone wolves? tha they're indirectly connected to the terrorist move movements and really not lone wolves anymore? >> that's true. if there is some sort of relationship between a killer in the united states and an individual in syria, then that is not a traditional lone wolf attacker. for example, the attack in australia was tipped off actually by an individual in syria who made a phone call to some individuals in australia, asking him to grab somebody off the streets of sydney, behead

them and put the video on the internet. that is not a lone wolf attack. if there is a relationship between a terrorist group in the east and the west, there is not what the attacks really are about. >> you don't like this question. in one sentence, what can be done to mitigate the efficacy of the lone wolf idea? >> you need to have vigilant communities, vigilant parents and vigilant cops. it's very different -- this is two sentences -- it's difficult to stop the people, but you might be able to lessen the number of attacks. >> former cia analyst, thank you. >> thank you very much. news today on the marriage equality movement. the federal government is recognizing same sex marriage in six additional states. alaska and wyoming are two of them. this stems from the supreme court decision to stay the

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this week has seen a series of leaks on the investigation into the michael brown shooting. the leaks include parts of the alleged statement of the police officer wilson and details of the official autopsy report. attorney general holder exasperated by the leaks, he refers to them as a selective flow of information and characterized them as inappropriate and troubling. the leaked information all appeared to support the case of darren wilson, the officer who shot the unarmed brown. brown family attorney told msnbc the leaks raised questions about the grand jury investigating the case. >> what's the use to having a grand jury if everything is going to be leaked out anyway? so the family is obviously frustrated. they believe the leaks are intentional, and they are very, very heartbroken.

insult on top of injury for michael brown and his family. they want justice for their child. >> let's bring in our contributor and forenic pathologist, and a missouri state senator who represents ferguson. the st. louis post dispatch making public results on the autopsy. the autopsy showed brown was shot in the hand and may have reached for the police officer's gun. that's what we are partially talking about today. to you, doctor, if you can, tell me about what you've seen in these leaks. you took a look at the data earlier on with an outside perspective on what you saw. what do you make of these latest leaks? >> well, what we have is we have

the autopsy report, and we don't have the scene information. we don't have the witness statements. we only have the statement of the officer. we know from the autopsy report that there is a gunshot wound going up the thumb, and it'd be in line with the barrel at a close range, given that there is powder within the wound. that's new information. the initial report of the second autopsy didn't say for certain what the distances were. they said that the wounds appeared to be of distant range. now, at least one, the one in the right thumb, is close range because of the powder in the wound. that appears to corroborate the officer's statement that the gun went off in the vehicle. that would be the first shot, or within the first shots. >> part of these leaks here, doctor, include a description that officer wilson here not

being able to use pepper spray, at least that's what was surmised of the data unveiled to them. he was in a sitting position. had he used something like that, he would have also harmed himself. that's why he reached for the gun. what do you make of those results coming out? >> in an enclosed space, pepper spray goes into a fog. it can go in the direction, but it dispels in the air. it can affect anyone who is in close proximity. the decision of what weapon to use is a procedure question, and it's on his training and experience to make that determination. >> it's been fairly consistent with those in ferguson saying, why are we hearing the leaks now? we need to plug the holes in the boat and move forward and let the grand jury finish what they have to finish. >> exactly. here's what we don't know. we don't know the side of

michael brown. he's an 18-year-old who was shot and killed. we don't have his side of the story here. we're going to have to rely on all of the evidence and all of the testimony that other people have right now. what we do not know is what happened in that very small s s space. do we know if there is a fingerprint or not of michael brown on the gun? i don't know that. i haven't seen that. there's still more facts that need to come out. i will tell you that this community is outraged. we've been talking about a grand jury that is not going to produce results of an indictment. that's what we want. we've been talking about this for six to eight weeks. leaking this information is only adding injury. >> if in the next month, and the estimates have come and gone as to when the grand jury will release its results, if the results are consistent with the leaks that we have seen so far,

is this a boat that can be turned around? as you know so well, the community there in ferguson does not agree with where the narrative is pointing right now. is this a boat that can't be turned around? >> well, there are two things i would state. one, we do not want an investigation that has been tainted. number two, we still have to look at the 30 or 45 seconds between the time michael brown left the vehicle, the police car, and when he was fatally shot through the head. that timeline is very important to understand. knowing that pause, that pause is very important in this entire thing. that's up to the grand jury. you know, i think that there's enough evidence to produce an indictment, but we have to wait for the grand jury. >> you know, if we look at this, the state senator is clear in stating, there is a lot of information in this case. we are getting very small pieces of it. that other part of the pie here, when we do get information, it

could perhaps change the outcome here. are those, you were just there reporting for several days, are ferguson residents looking forward to that, despite the fact that there's questions about the city prosecutor and questions about the constitution of the grand jury, three african-americans and nine caucasians. >> all of those considerations aside, i think i can say just the citizens of ferguson, they simply want an untainted inqu y inquiry. in the long run, justice. to your last question, i hate to say this, but i think it is too late for the boat to be turned around. this investigation has been so tainted. for one thing, as the leaks come out, all of which seem to corroborate or be seen in the favorable light to officer wilson, they chip away at the community's faith in the justice system. as a journalist, i think it was irresponsible for the st. louis papers, and later the "washington post," to run some of these articles with

third-hand hearsay. it was something who heard his testimony who told an official who told a reporter, all anonymously. for the papers to run that information, i think, is irresponsible. it's potentially dangerous in ferguson. when you look at the grand jury, the most troubling thing is that this prosecutor has pledged to give them voluminous evidence, and that is not necessary. >> when i was there during week two, it was the major turning point, as the state senator knows so well because she was there side by side with us. has that now turned back from this can get better to, in the not going to get better, in terms of the arc we will see? >> i think people are losing faith in the system. there has been an absence of leadership from the governor, the state senator. people are wondering, where are they in the debate?

i think people still are continuing to protest in a strategic way, but i think there's a lot of underlying fear that justice won't be served. look at the discussion that we and other outlets are having this week. everything is focused on the altercation in the car. what happened? yet, michael brown was killed later, in the few seconds he was away from the car. in these types of situations, for policemen to discharge a weapon with an unarmed civilian, he must have to imminent fear of danger to himself. once michael brown was away from the car, that couldn't have existed. he could have driven the car away or radioed for help. there are questions there, but we're focusing on the altercation in the car, which tends to favor darren wilson's story of events. >> we will continue to watch the story. so much data that is still out there for us to pour through. we'll be watching as little bits come through, whether warranted or not.

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>> how much more severe might this food shortage cause the ebola outbreak? what sort of effects would we see the numbers increase? we have the number today, 10,000, coming out of the w.h.o., which you know. are we going to see this spike because of the food shortage? >> definitely, there is a shortage because of the quarantine policy, not being able to leave their homes to search for food. by so doing, they might infect other people. >> what is needed at this moment from where you are in sierra leone, as you look at the potential of food shortage. 75% of ebola victims there are farmers. >> what is needed there, to have food in the economy. making sure the affected

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actual story, a girl super smart, super professional, not like the quote unquote illegal immigrant that are democranized the media. these are regular people with regular problems. >> you've been involved with many movies and productions. what make ts this different abo other stories about undocumented immigrants? >> well, i think we wanted to take a fresh spin with this very serious topic but putting a face of an aisian-american front and center. the topic of undocumented immigration is often stereotyped with being affiliated with a certain community that doesn't look white or asian. but of the 11 million undocuments in america, a good percentage of them are exactly what you see in our story, annie

and her family and hopefully as the story goes forward we'll continue to bring light to this subject and help people realize that it's actually an american issue. >> an american issue, daniel. when you look at the numbers brian was quoted, 1 million out of the total undocumented it's estimated are of asian descent. you look at a million of those, are you trying to reach just that group or trying to reach many groups? and are other groups saying, glad you did this, the latino-american group, have they reached out to you? >> we just premiered it on thursday. i think we are trying to reach a large swath of the population, especially people who might not have a very progressive view on undocumented immigrants. we want to change their minds, sort of like allow them to see like i said these undocumented immigrants in a new light and just as regular people. so we don't want to just preach to the choir. >> you were both at the new york television festival. brian, you were up there along

with daniel talking after the movie, the series had been shown, a portion thereof. what's been the reaction so far, brian, about the series? are they able to identify with these characters because they don't fitnessly the given stereotype of what undocumented is. >> yeah. i mean, the reaction thus far across the board has been tremendous. you know, we're getting a lot of press hits from various corners, and, as we gain traction out there, we have no marketing budget. we put this out there on a shoe string budget. as we pick up followers we have people sending us tweets, unsolicited messages. we've got this hash tag annie undocumented campaign. we're just doing our best through blogs and through the grass roots community connecting with organizations, and hopefully people will like it and follow it. so far, it seems to be doing

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