it was like seeing red. pure red. when i took the two lives, every adrenal gland was open wide, the endorphins were flying through my body. and it was just amazing. it was like pure amphetamine. that's what it felt like, only more pure. tonight on "msnbc investigates," rod ferrell talks from prison exclusively about his murders that shocked america and tells us what it was like to be part of a modern day vampire clan. >> being a vampire is not an actual existence. if you shoot me, i'll die.

i physically, to the best of my knowledge, will not live forever, but as far as living the lifestyle of a vampire, it's a raw fetish hunger, and the hunger wins out over everything else. >> she was struck four times in the back of the head as she was moving through the kitchen. some of the skull fragments lay in the dining room. >> in his extraordinary interview, ferrell tells of his involvement with a network of devil worshippers and witnessing a human sacrifice. >> how was he killed? >> with a dagger. ceremonial. >> and then what happened? >> then afterwards, the blood was ritually drank such as in communion. >> today, ferrell maintains that after dwelling on the dark side, he's now emerged on the other side and says his bad choices should serve as a warning. and so this is his story.

in here, you're surrounded by other murderers, robbers, rapists, thieves. they still tend to kind of give me respect, give me space. and it throws them to a degree because they're like well, this guy was drinking blood, he's got to be crazy. something can't be right with this guy's mind. >> whether rod ferrell is crazy matters more than somewhat with the claims he will make in this film. perhaps he just craves attention. his career as a teenaged vampire earned him a ticket to death row, but it's also brought him a kind of sinister celebrity as

his despicable crime has been the subject of a movie, documentary, books and internet fan sites. >> i'm just me. i don't know about celebrity status. immediately i would say by the time i was 17, while i was sitting on death row, a few of the guys in the cells along the wing said that i should take a name, something that represented who i was, what i was, et cetera. i was like -- i lead a vampire cult and they called me the count from that point on, like count dracula. >> let her go. >> time was when vampires all looked like count dracula. >> destroy the cross! >> the lord of the undead kept the "b" movie industry alive. but vampires are now hollywood "a" list and have teens and the rest of us lining up to be seduced by blockbuster movies extolling the vampire's bloody charms -- or at least those who

play them. >> there are so many discrepancies between the mythological and fantasy vampire and the real-life vampire. the no pain being felt as they draw in their blood, that is an utter bold-faced lie. i've seen like a feasting where they literally bit and continued to bite at different various spots on different donors or people that offer themselves until they were just bloody ripped mess. if people saw this, it was like a pack of jackals gnawing on a kill. >> murray, kentucky, seems an unlikely home for a vampire. it's a small college town, set

securely in america's bible belt. >> i'm april lindsey. i dated rod on and off and on again and off again. i thought i was going to marry him at one point. i thought we were going to be a family. he didn't have a whole lot to hold on to. i loved him. but he was -- he had problems. >> life in murray is generally unhurried, but for young rod ferrell, it was far from idyllic. his mother and father divorced soon after he was born. >> we were married when we were 18 years old. we didn't live together very

long. we married and divorced within the same year of rod's birth. we didn't have a bad divorce or anything like that. it was just that he went on his separate ways and so rod and i were alone. >> ferrell's boyhood as the only child of a single mother was a chaotic tour of low rent apartments and trailer parks, while shuffling back and forth between murray, kentucky, and florida. rod's mother had relatives in the small town of eustis, close to orlando. and it was in florida that ferrell's mother began to hang out with friends who called themselves vampires. >> they have clubs where you dress and all that. at one time, i was like a lifestyler is kind of what they call it. i'm i don't want to say a vampire advocate, but that kind of sounds like it, in a way, to say that we're for the ones who are decent, you know.

and, yes, there are the ones now and then who make everybody else look really bad. >> as rod ferrell grew into a teenager, his sketchbook records how he was drawn in to his mother's vampire circle. >> when i was staying in eustis, i met an individual who basically, for lack of a better term, was a vampire. the initiation took place as what they term the crossover. they had to take my blood and then feed me their blood, because they considered the blood to be the true life. >> i think all in all, i was a good mother, as far as vampires go and things like that, i did make some really bad choices at times, especially when rod was 15 and 16 years old. >> i was entranced by it. i felt that that lifestyle could get me the inner strength and power i needed.

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at age 15, rod ferrell and his mother returned from florida to murray, kentucky. they rekindled old friendships with the local vampires. >> my name is jaden murphy. i was the lead of the family, the vampiric house here in murray. rod's mentor/sire. we were glued together, man, every day, every day we hung out. we stayed at my house or i would go crash at his, whatever. in eustis he was basically a blood doll.

at least that's what he told me. normally with blood dolls, they aret -- aret -- hey're people you feed off of constantly so that way, it's safer that way. you're not going and drinking random people's blood, contracting diseases. so you have this one person set aside that you will feed off of whenever you need to. he was basically just abused and used while he was in florida. that's all that they did with him. they never brought him into the family. he was, for lack of a better word, their bitch. >> by age 16, ferrell was a full member of a murray vampire clan, comprised of a group of teens who lived in a rented home. >> some of us actually lived together and some of us just sort of half lived there. but anywhere from the normal

five or six people to 20. >> it's not like it's portrayed on television. not like that. it's just everyday living with a little bit more sex, a little bit more blood. >> their vampire rituals of drinking human blood took place mainly at night, often in murray's graveyards. >> it's been 15 years, but this is it. wow. it's still beautiful. it really is. it's not really all about biting somebody's neck. we built a world around ourselves that made us important

and powerful and special. we didn't have to pretend for anybody. that was the appeal. for some people, it was a religion. let me make that very clear. there were some of them that it was very much a religion. in some, it was a lifestyle and in some, it was both. >> there are numerous forms of vampires. you'll find cannibals, blood drinkers, sionic vampires, those who fear the sun. they have numerous names, numerous manifestations. i took the name visago and i wrote it on the back of my neck. >> visago was a demon described in an ancient manual on sorcery. as visago, ferrell claimed to be hundreds of years old. >> he would say that the dark side was pulling him in and he was losing to it. he would always say he was losing, like he was fighting a battle, and i would tell him

just not to do it, to just not listen to it. and i don't think i realized that he was really fighting a battle, that it was real. >> the darkness, the sex, the blood, they're all intimate, mystical, magical, mesmerizing. the extraction of the blood can be done via usually razor blades or surgical scalpels. >> when you've got a house of, you know, five or six people, you know, there's always enough for everyone to go around. >> every once in a while, a couple individuals actually had teeth sharp enough that they could actually tear the skin. >> it can get pretty bloody at some of the rituals. sometimes on the more intimate level, if you're feeding off of a lover, it doesn't normally get that bad.

it's more the symbolic aspect of it. >> we had the individuals that we called donors, or in another tone, they're called, it means herd, animal, and they would actually offer their blood to us. they got off on the rush of being subjected to a domination that we would show over them. >> i've got friends and they've got scars that are every bit of an inch and a half, two inches long and about a half inch wide. they'll just lay themselves open. you just put your mouth over the wound and suck until it stops bleeding, basically. that's what you do. we interrupt normal programming to take you to breaking news where mayor deblaz owe and governor cuomo are beginning a news conference. >> thank you to the new york city personnel for doing a great

job. the ebola situation, first reared its ugly head in dallas. that you just about a month ago, believe it or not. so we had plenty of time to prepare and drill, which we did, and we coordinated, but still game time is where it counts, and we had prepared for many, many weeks but it you a question of what would happen when game time arose. and game time arose and everyone performed exceptionally well and i want to applaud them. we think the more information we provide new yorkers, the better. there's a lot of misinformation out there. there's a lot of questions out there so this evening is an attempt to provide more information so new yorkers have the facts. this evening, we are going to be explaining the travel protocols that will be going in place, which were announced by the port authority -- governor christie,

myself, on friday. in general, the cdc is in the process of establishing protocols. they have had a number of protocols that have been evolving. different states are developing their own protocols for their particular situations, and these protocols we think are appropriate for our situation here in this region. my personal practice is to err on the side of caution. over the past four years, as governor, i have gone through floods, hurricanes, blizzards, i'm waiting for the locusts, there are no locusts yet, but i wouldn't be shocked if they arrive, and my practice has always been to err on the side of caution. the old expression is hope for the best, but prepare for the worst. that's exactly what we have done for four years in new york and it has served us well and that's what we are doing here.

the protocols were discussed over weeks. again, we had the advantage of seeing what happened in dallas and then had the advantage of preparing. so we have been having these discussions for many, many weeks with all of the interested parties and people from across the nation who have actually had experience in these areas. dr. zucker will go through the protocols in detail, but in general, a health care professional who returns to this region, who had exposure to infected people, or citizens who are returning, or coming to the u.s., who had exposure to infected people will be asked to remain in their homes for a 21-day quarantine period. during those 21 days, health

care workers would check on them twice a day to monitor their temperature and condition. if they develop symptoms, they will be transferred to a hospital. interestingly, the organization doctors without borders, which is one of the main organizations that prepares medical personnel for this kind of duty, their procedures require that upon return a health care professional stay out of work for three weeks. basically to decompress, my word, not theirs for three weeks before returning to work. we would take that policy one step further and say, three weeks, but remain at home for that time. if their organization does not pay for the three weeks, doctors without borders does, but if their organization does not pay for the three weeks, we will.

if their employer is going to put them at a disadvantage because of the three weeks, we will talk to the employer to explain that situation, if necessary. the other protocols that are being discussed by cdc and other states will have returning passengers or health care professionals who were not in contact with an infected person to be monitored, but on a less rigorous level. the system -- the cdc and some states have adopted a system whereby the returning passenger will be monitored, but doesn't have to stay at home. i think this situation that we're outlining is operationalloperationally

easier to monitor and if it turns out a person was infected, being at home they will have been in contact with many fewer people than had they been all throughout the city. i will be asking more public health districts in the state to accept and administer this protocol. i want this state to have the same protocol, no matter where you are in the state, new york city versus nassau, versus upstate, et cetera. i understand the main point of our efforts is to stop the virus at its source, which is in west africa. we will encourage health care professionals to help. i had a conversation with the mayor where we are going to organize a meeting of the hospitals and health care organizations in new york. and we are going to affirmatively ask them to encourage staff to do this. we're exploring on the state side any rights that we could

help extend to employees to facilitate their doing this kind of volunteer work. if you are a military personnel on reserve, you get called to duty, you return, you get your pay, you get your benefits, and you couldn't have been prejudiced by the employer. we want to look at -- we consider this situation analogous to that situation. this is a war on a virus in west africa, and anything we can do to extend those types of benefits to these health care professionals we want to do. remember, these health care professionals, like dr. spencer, these people are extraordinary for their valor and their courage and their compassion in going to perform this, and anything we can do to encourage it we want to do. i understand that some people

may believe that 21-day quarantine is a burden. i would ask for their cooperation and understanding. and remember what we are trying to balance. we are trying to balance aid to west africa and protection and the public health of new yorkers and addressing the fears and concerns of new yorkers. we have spoken many times about the reality of ebola. it's not an especially new disease. it was discovered in 1976. it is not like the flu. it's not easily caught. all of the evidence says it's transmitted through bodily fluids. once the person is infected and highly contagious. so there's no cause for general alarm. but again, we want the people of new york to know we are staying one step ahead. we are doing everything

possible. some will say we are being too cautious. i will take that criticism because that's better than the alternative. as governor of new york, my number one job is to protect the people of new york, and this does that. with that, i will turn it over to mayor de blasio. >> thank you very much, governor. thank you. we have said for weeks now that the partnership between the state and city of new york has been exceptional. i reminded people earlier today at bellvue hospital the fact that the trajectory from the moment dr. spencer called and said he had a fever, from that moment until this very hour, protocols have been followed to the letter because they were determined earlier. weeks and weeks earlier with in careful coordination between the city, state and of course the federal government, as well. that is what's going to get us through this crisis.

that teamwork, that sense of cole leaguialty and that sense of working from the same plan. i want to thank the governor and dr. zucker who have been exceptionally communicative in that effort. now, today, at bellvue -- the reason i went to bellvue and dr. bassert was there, we went there because the health care workers were affected by a few -- when i say affected, emotionally and personally by a few different things. one they have had the experience, in some cases, of having people react negatively to their service in this crisis. i want to pick up on governor cuomo's analogy. when send a soldier overseas to defend our freedom, we welcome them back. a reservist that goes overseas we call a hero. we want to do everything we can to support them and normalize their lives.

well, we have nurses and personnel at bellvue who have been treated with some discrimination of people not willing to come in contact with them. missing the whole point of this d as the governor outlined. it is not an airborne disease. casual contact does not provide an opportunity to contract the disease and sadly some new yorkers have treated the very people who are helping us at bellvue hospital with some discrimination. we have said today that is unacceptable. of course a lot of the personnel at bellvue were affected by the treatment of nurse hickox and were troubled by it. the bottom line is we want to see all of our medical personnel or part of this fight treated with respect and dignity and support. i have to tell you, i mentioned also -- i said this to the governor also. i had occasion to speak to dr. spencer late afternoon yesterday. this is a hero who went to fight for all of us.

we need more good men and women like that. they need to know that we will have their back every step along the way. so, i think the important point is that we have gotten to the point where we are at today, where we had a case -- and the governor and i talked many times and said each day we didn't have a case is a good day, but we knew, as leaders, that the next day might be different. when we finally have a case, all of the public sector employees from all levels responded brilliantly. our ems workers did exactly as they had trained. our bellvue nurses, doctors, lab technicians, everyone responded brilliantly. we want to respect them, uphold them and support them throughout this crisis because their success will certainly determine everything for the rest of us going forward. i want to, again, emphasize we will remain in very close work

relationship, constant conversation with the state and two health commissioners that have been in constant conversation for weeks and weeks. that will continue until the day that we can say this crisis is over. thank you, governor. >> well said. >> dr. zucker. >> thank you, governor. thank you, mayor. there have been many questions regarding our state screening procedure at jfk airport. i thought maybe what i could do is to walk you through exactly what we are doing. perhaps the best way of doing it is through scenarios of when a patient enters the system. so the screening would first begin by being conduct by the u.s. customs and border patrol after the passenger gets off the airplane and we will get a travel history there and whether they have traveled to any affected countries. a secondary screening will be conducted on that passenger , as well and they will be contacted by the centers for disease control, who will be there. in addition, an additional screening will now be performed which will include the new york department of health and the new

york city department of health and mental hygiene. we will have people there on site, along with obviously the cdced, to get a history, get more information, find out exactly the patient's clinical picture, what happened? are they fine? are they well? are they sick? so the first scenario, let's say the patient came in and the patient had symptoms, has a fever, not feeling well and we are worried the patient has an ebola virus infection. so, they will be transported immediately, with medical transportation, to in protected to a facility that we have identified. the government announced the hospitals in the region and upstate. since we are talking about jfk. further evaluation and treatment and from there to find out whether the patient has ebola. another thing is if a person that got off the airplane and

the person says in their communication with the cdc, with our department of health and the city's department of health they believe they came in direct contact with someone who's infected with the ebola virus but they are not feeling sick, they are not having a fever. they are fine but they believe they came in contact. they will be transported by a private vehicle, which we will arrange, ooet they are department of health, the state or local health department. they will be transported to their home. once at the home they will be quarantined for 21 days. they will be home and if they have family members there, they can be with their family members and for those that don't have a home or are in the united states or new york, not coming to specifically go home the accommodations will be made. we will work on that. under the quarantine that they will have, they have two unannounced visits by the department of health to check on them to see that they are there. these will be unannounced, to

see what their symptoms are, to see if they have symptoms, to see if they have a fever, check their temperature and see how they are feeling. this will be in coordination with the health department. this will be these every day to be sure they are doing well. the department will then follow through with it them through the 21 days. a third scenario is a person gets off a plane and say they were not anywhere near patients with ebola. they have no symptoms, they are fine. these people will be treated on a case-by-case basis but at a minimum, it is important to make that point, that the new york city state department of health or the new york health authority will monitor them twice a day for temperature and symptoms that may occur during that 21-day period we have spoken about. they would not automatically be subject to quarantine but we will monitor to see where they

are and what develops. we feel that this is the best way to strike a balance between public health and public policy and make sure we don't miss any more cases with people with ebola as they come back to the united states through jfk. we look forward to working together on all of this with our local health departments and we appreciate all the work the mayor and commissioner have worked with us on this as we move forward. so i thank you. >> dr. howard zucker speaking after we heard from new york city mayor bill delas owe and andrew cuomo the governor of new york state as a they outline what the procedures will be. they gave three scenarios. dr. similar k simkin is with us. the details are a little

different, there's a little more information we may not have had before. what do you make of what you discussed by dr. zucker? >> i think what's happening here now is that the american public and mostly the new york city public currently is so confused because initially when the two governors of new york and new jersey put these quarantines in place people were saying, but, hey, wait a minute, you were telling us not to worry about this and now you are telling us these people have to be quarantined. so i think governor cuomo spoke eloquently tonight when he said this is for precautions. we are learning a we go along with this virus. this is not something that we had experienced before. the virus has been studied since 1976. they know the transmission of the virus, but now it is here on united states soil, in new york city, with a doctor who's with sick. and we are learning each day new

developments. so the quarantine is -- might be overly cautious. on the other hand, there are 8.5 million people who need to go about their lives every day and not worry about these things. so i think it is striking a balance. >> do you this is a balance? some discussions i have had over the weekend with several medical experts did suggest that another time period that could be considered here might be the 14 to 16-daytime period and that would be much more reasonable in terms of the quarantine itself. we are hearing 21 days right now, coming from dr. zucker, as well as the governor of new york. >> right. i think dr. zucker and governor cuomo and governor christie are being overly cautious by saying 21 days which is the maximum incubation period we have seen. what we know is 85 to 90% of people will show symptoms in the first eight to ten days. but what they are doing is being

overly cautious by saying the transmission can be up to 21 days. so they want to have the full period. i think at this point that is overly generous, but this is something that we are learning each day. remember, we have not dealt with this before. this is a new epidemic for us. so each day, as medical staff develop and the cdc and nih get smarter as to how it is working we might be able to revise these precautions but right now it is really safest to opt for the longest incubation possible so that we protect all of the citizens and it's really, really tough for health care workers when they come back after being away from their loved ones and they feel perfectly fine and say to them, you need to stay here for three weeks, but governor cuomo was very good this evening when he specifically said, look, if it is a financial burden that they are worried about, we will

help to cake care of that, if doctors without borders can't do that. i think all of the questions are beginning to get answered. i just think that it's something that, you know, in medicine, we call it a retro scope. in sports they call it the monday morning quarterback. we have the beauty of looking back and saying should we are done it differently? i think each day, not only the government but the american people will get smarter and we are going to go forward and medical professionals know the transmission of this disease. they know it is impossible to get it at a bowling alley or at the meatball shop but they are doing for the sake of the american public. we have to schedule. this concern that the american public is currently feeling. >> doctor stand by. they have moved to the question and answer period. we are going to dip back in and listen to what governor cuomo is saying. >> number of people in that home

as opposed to the number of people who they may have experienced on a daily travel. that is a significant difference for us. we just saw the city going through a marvelously performed task, but a very difficult task of retracing where was mr. spencer, trains, restaurants, et cetera. it's much easier if the person is home. again, doctors without borders, which is the organization that commissioner bassett mentioned, their policy now is to remain out of work for three weeks. just as a decompression period, again, my word, not theirs. this takes it one more step. and please remain at home. enjoy yourself, enjoy your family but remain at home. easier to operate. and if, god forbid, the person becomes infected, we will have

known with certainty the number of people who were exposed to that person during that period of time. >> i want to emphasize for a moment, a key point that the governor and commissioner zucker made. communicating with the individual from the moment of arrival, openly explaining what the policy is, accommodating their needs, protecting their salary and their work status. everything that the nurse didn't experience in the last few days. i want to say it is very important point. if someone is told with the respect they deserve as a returning hero how a policy works and it is done in a supportive manner that is a far cry from what we saw the otherer day. >> see, there's no doubt -- the mayorer makes a good point also. there's no doubt this is a safer policy.

your point is really is it an unnecessary inconvenience to the individual? i think when you weigh the quote, unquote, inconvenience to the individual with the additional safety factor that safety wins. i also believe -- >> what about disseminating fear and mixed signals because you are saying that tapping down fear is a priority. >> i think the exact opposite. if anything this will probably be the safest propertocol in th country and if anyone has -- i like to say new yorkers are anxious by their dna. knowing that we have probably the safest protocol in the united states, that should give people tremendous comfort.

[ inaudible ] >> i do not believe that's going to be the case. remember, you have two types of individuals who are talking about, first the public health professional, public health professionals who just showed magging nif sent courage and generosity of spirit to go to do this in the first place and as the mayor said when you explain the totality of the circumstances about what we're trying to do, i think they will be receptive and understanding. again, it's not like, you know, a terrible task is being asked of you. you stay at home with your family and friends, with visitors and we will compensate your salary and make sure the employer doesn't prejudice you for that. i don't anticipate a lack of cooperation. if there was a lack of cooperation, obviously, we have the legal right to enforce it. but i don't think it ever comes to that. >> governor, you talked on

friday about not trusting people to be able to stay at home for 21 days, that they may slip out and that would endanger hundreds of people. what has changed in the last few days. >> we are talking about the news media specifically. this is the same thing. they would be at home for 21 days and a health care -- this is what we were talking about on friday. they would be at home for 21 days and a health care worker would check on them twice a day. >> you talked about being in a facility. governor christie talked about as well. it was presented that people would be in a hospital or something like that. >> they could be in a hospital if they needed a hospital, but if they don't need a hospital and they have a home than it would be their home. if they don't have a home, then we will find a facility, a hotel, et cetera, because they don't have a place to stay.

if they are coming here, even as a citizen, they must have had an intended place to stay. if they had no place they were staying we will find a place for them to stay. [ inaudible ] >> the white house, first of all, and cdc will establish a protocol. they have yet to establish their protocol for this situation. and we have to operate now, right? we live in the here and now. number two, whatever the cdc comes up with, they will be the first to say, i believe, that they understand states have different needs. what new york needs is different

than what nebraska may need, is different than what kansas may need, is different than what florida may need. so the cdc will come up with general operating protocols, but the states are free to design their own protocols. if there is a region in the country that has more differences than new york, new jersey, i don't know of one. but this will be consistent. it will probably be somewhat safer than what cd comes up with, once they come up with their definitive protocols, but i'll take that criticism, if you want to call ait a criticism tht i want to be safer than cdc says, fine. >> tell us about the health care workers -- >> our white house correspondent kristin welker has been watching this with us. we just heard the iallusion abot

the work with the white house and when the white house will be coming out with its suggestions and he was discussing the cdc. you and i were talking about this a handful of hours ago that we should be hearing something in the last several days and the white house has been working on this throughout the weekend. >> that's right, richard. they are working on new guidelines. they would probably argue there are some protocols in place. they have five airports set up across the country where people flying in to them have to have their temperatures checked, answer a series of questions. we know, according to to the officials that i have been speaking to that the white house did reach out to officials in new york and new jersey. and essentially tell them they disagree with this policy of a mandatory quarantine. the language they are using is they told officials there they have concerns about unintended consequences. the unintended consequences is

discouraging health care workers from going to west africa to deal with this disease at its source. of course the administration says the key to dealing with this crisis is to stopping ebola in west africa. and more volunteers, not fewer volunteers. the goal is to set up 50 more treatment centers. that's going to require at least 1,000 more health care workers to go overseas to do that. that is the argument from the white house's standpoint and they say they are in the process of establishing new guidelines and that president obama met with his ebola response team at the white house today to discuss the guidelines. i think this raises the specter for them to announce something sooner, rather than later. we also know that samantha powers, ambassador to the u.n. is in west africa right now traveling with our senior white house correspondent and getting a first-hand look at what more needs to be done in west africa. that's really the crux of the

white house's argument, richard. they see the mandatory quarantine s will disincentivize health care workers from going over and make it harder to end the crisis, end the spread of this horrible disease. >> part of what we have been seeing here today, kristin, right here on msnbc is the patient in quarantine right now in new jersey which was eluded to in the briefing so far. and the lawyer made a brief statement in new jersey a couple of hours aek, promising legal action to fight the mandatory quarantine that has basically kept her in and away. she's very upset with the process so far. she was there helping ebola patients in west africa. she's now been isolated. let's listen to what you said a little bit earlier. >> we believe that medically speaking there's no reason for the state of new jersey to keep her quarantined.

we will in the days to come put together legal papers and go to the federal court in new jersey asking them to release her. we will also challenge the mandatory quarantine policy that wu dawei enacted on friday, october 24th by governors christie and cuomo. we believe that that policy infringes on the constitutional liberty interest and we think the policy is overly broad. what i mean by that, it sweeps in people who do not meet the criteria for being quarantined. >> dr. simpkins n 0 seconds, that tension he was discussing the lawyer, there are individual rights and the public's health issues. how do you discuss that?

>> you know, first of all, of course i'm a doctor, not a lawyer and not a politician. this horrible potentially fatal virus has now become both a legal and political issue. so let's bring it back to the medicine. that's what i'm going to be discussing and that is currently she is not sick. she has no fever, but she is part of the state mandatory quarantine. unfortunately for her, she came back right when the quarantine changed and she's going to have to stay in mandatory quarantine for 21 days unless that changes. i cannot comment on the legality of that. >> i want to show our viewers, who may not be aware of what the current federal guidelines are in terms of how to deal with ebola and per individuals that have perhaps come from the countries that are on the list right now. as for the federal government,

what we know right now, all passengers arriving from west africa is who's involved here. what they are required to report, temperature and symptoms on a daily basis and that duration is 21 days after arrival. on the state level n new york state up to today in the news briefing, as well as illinois and new jersey, it was different. the states were saying health care workers returning from west africa, the mandatory quarantine regardless of symptoms, 21 days after arrival. that's going to have to be balanced out and must be a decide to reach out to the state's leaders, governors, mayors will have a tough balance. >> i think it is. i think it's clear, though, richard, they are working on establishing stiffer dpliens. because what we have seen in new york is obviously -- the doctor coming back and that has set off a lot of fear throughout new york and a lot of discussions throughout the rest of the

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rod ferrell is facing decades of unchanging prison routine, though his life did change significantly in october of 2010. in the prison chapel, he married the woman he'd been corresponding with for two years, gina maria, a former nurse studying to be a crime scene investigator. >> he is the best husband i could have ever hoped for, but he's -- and then some. i mean, it's great. i got him. right there. >> i could be looking at 50, 60 years.

i could be looking at an indefinite term of years. what makes me get up in the morning, and to many, this might sound cliche, but it is the simplest truth. it's my woman. that's why. my gina. >> with a new woman in his life, ferrell says he has permanently severed all ties with his mother who he says introduced him to the world of vampires. >> i figure some day there is a possibility, and it may be many years from now, that we'll be able to speak again. i miss him. i really miss him. sorry. >> the only person i contact outside of this place is gina.

everyone else, i have severed all ties with. >> the murray vampire clan soon disbanded after ferrell's arrest. its one-time leader like rod says he's denounced vampirism for good. >> i'm a straight-up christian, man, 100%. i do not practice vampirism for anymore. i have not for a number of years. could i take that away from myself? no. that's not ever going to change. it's a butterfly denying it was ever a caterpillar. i can't. >> now in his 30s with twin terms of life without parole, rod ferrell could win the dubious prize of becoming the longest serving convict in u.s. history. >> i have not considered myself to be a vampire for many, many years. i definitely have purged all of that from my system by contemplation. reflection.

in my personal opinion, steer away from it or walk past it with caution, great caution. the hype is just that, hype. in real life, you'll find consequences, and the consequences, nine times out of ten, will be your undoing. so before having to suffer them, don't. let it be a fantasy. let it stay a fantasy. >> what about the possibility that everything you've been saying about sacrifice and so on is to show how messed up your mind is and what happened was less heinous and therefore is all fantasy? >> to begin with, nothing that i or anyone else could say in this world could make what i did in 1996 any less heinous,

ie troeshs -- atrocious or cruel. it was what it was. that cannot be changed. so fantastical as it seems, or whatnot, nothing changes that fact. in 1996, i not only made the biggest mistake in my life by murdering ricky and naomi, i did something that was literally -- evil. honestly. you can't change the horror of that, no matter what one says or no matter what one does. my action at that time cannot be erased. it's blotted upon my life. it's blotted upon the subconscious of many people. whoever witnessed an interview such as this, they will always remember the murders, not the man. they will not remember the victims. they will remember the act. and i find it appalling. the victims should be remembered and i've done nothing but seek redemption since that point.

but that's what people will always remember. nothing can change that.

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