decided by turn-out. we're incredibly proud of the role that workers have played lifting up the issue of minimum wage. but we think it's about turn-out. so we ask everybody to help us get folks to the poll on tuesday. >> jennifer, thanks for your time. that's "the ed show." "politicsnation" with reverend al sharpton starts right now. good evening, rev. >> good evening, ed. and thanks to you for tuning in. tonight's lead, playing politics with ebola. today, governor chris christie is under fire for the debacle of his decision to quarantine a health care worker back from africa. this afternoon, casey hickox was finally released from that isolation tent in new york, new jersey. but governor chris christie today stood by the decision to quarantine, as he was besieged by reporters.

>> governor christie also saying today he has no plans to actually talk to her about why he decided to lock her up. >> governor, when you first -- [ inaudible ] >> he has no reason to talk to her? she was merely inconvenienced? here's why he should talk to casey hickox. three nights locked in a small tent without a flushable toilet, getting food through a plastic window, in a manner she says made her feel like a, quote, criminal. she's a hero, fighting ebola on the front lines, saving lives.

but governor christie's focus has been on scoring political points, accusing the federal government and the obama administration of not doing enough. it turns out, governor christie was the one getting isolated. as critics pounced on his poor logic, and as the criticism has mounted, christie kept citing one reason above all for the quarantine. he kept saying miss hickox had a fever. >> when i history this morning, she still had a fever and was tested for other illnesses after the ebola test game back negative. >> it's the reason she went to the hospital in the first place, she was running a fever and was symptom attic. >> casey hickox disputes that claim, saying she didn't have a fever. and you'll never guess who agrees with her. listen to what governor christie himself said friday night before the controversy erupted. >> today a traveler arrived at

the airport, a health care worker with a recent history of treating patients with ebola in west africa, but with no symptoms. >> so she didn't have symptoms. then why did he decide to put her in that tent? americans need straight answers, not political posturing. and the health care workers returning from africa deserve to be treated with respect and dignity. joining me now, a former ohio governor ted strickland, he's now president of the center for american progress action fund. and dr. eileen farland, an infectious disease specialist at temple university. she recently returned from liberia, consulting with the world health organization. thank you both for being here. >> thank you for having me. >> thank you. >> governor strickland, first no

symptoms, then symptoms. i mean, isn't this why we don't want dr. christie in charge of public health? >> reverend al, this is an example of chris christie being chris christie. we all know he's a verbal bully and he's doing this, i think, to try to reestablish himself as a strong decisive leader. and the fact that he bragged that before he imposed this quarantine, he didn't even bother to consult with the white house. this is another example of a man who has been discredited in the eyes of the public through his bridgegate episode, lost favor, trying to rebuild his image, and he's going back to that same bullying, braga dosha kind of behavior that we saw from him a few months ago. but i think the people will understand that this is a public health matter. we need to listen to the public health experts and the last

thing we need to do is to allow chris christie to embellish his leadership credentials by interjecting himself into a matter that is a medical public health matter. >> now, you know, we are not at all minimizing that people are concerned and there's fear out there and understandably so. but we need to have rational, responsible leadership on this, doctor, and i just want to say, we just received good news that the 5-year-old they were testing here in new york, has come back negative for ebola. and i'm very glad that he has been found, again, negative in terms of any signs of ebola. but i want to ask you this, doc, cdc just issued new monitoring guidelines for travelers from west africa. >> right. >> it says high-risk travelers should receive health monitoring and voluntary isolation.

people at some risk, including most health care workers should be monitored. and those at low-risk should self-monitor. what's your assessment of these guidelines? >> that's right. i think these guidelines are extremely reasonable, and this is the kind of guidance that governors should be consulting. they should be consulting the public health experts before making such drastic decisions on -- such as a blanket quarantine. quarantine is a very important measure when applied reasonably. and for people with a high-risk exposure, a needle stick injury, or someone who was taking care of a family member and may not have been wearing protective gear, and returns to the u.s., they're extremelily high-risk for infection, but the general public and health care providers who provide care wearing appropriate protective gear, are at low-risk of developing

infection. and certainly anyone who is asymptomatic and doesn't have fever or any other symptoms of ebola presents no risk of transmitting the infection to the general public. >> how do you feel about the treatment of the nurse that was just let out of the tent, what she had said about her treatment, doc? >> i think it's unfortunate. again, it was a decision that was being discussed at the time at high levels, and unfortunately she arrived at a time when the decision was still under discussion, and there was a hurried decision made. i think, again, quarantine for very high-risk individuals, who've had a definite exposure, may be indicated in some cases, but it should be done in a well thought out manner and people should be allowed to remain at home or in a facility. >> well thought out manner. governor christie used it to get political, got critical of the obama administration, saying they weren't doing enough, which

is why he had to. listen to this and give me your reaction. >> i'm telling you, guys, this is going to become a national policy. the cdc will come around. remember, they were late to the game in texas, and we had people infected. >> your reaction? he had to because the administration in washington wasn't doing anything. so chris christie had to come and show the way. and they all are going to copy him eventually. >> i don't want to be unfair, but i return to what i said earlier. this is chris christie being chris christie. he thinks being boisterous, being, you know, speaking forcefully is a sign of leadership. but, you know, what we really need in a situation like this is very careful, thoughtful decision-making. and this is a serious matter and that's all the more reason why we should take politics out of it and we should listen to the experts who know more than

politicians, and we should then follow their advice and do everything we can within the scientific community to protect the people of this country. and, so, politics should have no place in a public health issue like this. and people say, well, i'm not a doctor. that's all the more reason why we should listen to the doctors. because they have specialized knowledge. this matter has been studied. and they're coming forth with guidelines. we ought to follow them. if we do that, i think the american people can be assured that we're being protected. >> let me ask you this, doctor, before i run out of time. you were in liberia. tell us what you saw. share with us what you saw in liberia. >> sure. what i saw was an outbreak that's really becoming out of control. there is live spread transmission in liberia.

there are people who cannot be admitted to the hospital because there simply aren't enough hospital beds, and that's really the main stay of how to control an ebola outbreak. have you to be able to identify potential cases and isolate them from the rest of the community, so that transmission can be stopped. so in the meantime, the u.s. dod is helping to build 17 new ebola treatment units, in addition to other organizations. and we need to be encouraging clinicians to respond to this outbreak and not imposing any obstacles to their participation. >> and if the world had jumped on this sooner, in those three nations, we might not have had the crisis that we are having in terms of at least the fear in the united states, and those that went over are heroes and ought not be treated anything less than that. governor strickland and dr. fineman, thank you both for your time tonight. >> thank you very much.

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pouring down your driveway, get out and vote, because this election is too close to stay at home. new nbc polls show the race within the margin of error in five key races. states that will determine who holds the senate. it's a dead heat. and democrats are now trying to make sure voters know just how extreme these republican candidates really are. here's the ad that democrats are running against joni ernst in iowa. >> they talk about relying on social security. and joni ernst talks about privatizing it. >> yes, i have talked about privatizing social security. >> she's talked about privatizing social security. you know who else just talked about it last week? mitch mcconnell. >> after bush was re-elected in 2004, he wanted us to try to fix social security. i spent a year trying to get any

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the states that they were looking at are not traditionally good ones for democrats. kentucky, georgia, arkansas, alaska. but obamacare is not a terribly salient issue this year, when it seems to be working fairly well. unfortunately, republicans have zero fallback plan. once they're done attacking the president, they're done talking, full stop. there's no, so elect me to the senate so that i can do x, y, and z for american families. they used to talk about lowering taxes or the deficit, things that at least sounded good. they're not even trying on that this year. this is their map and their cycle, and they are running on essentially nothing. >> dana, you know, in a debate last night, the gop senate candidate in georgia, david perdue, he made some very revealing comments. listen. >> when you have a failed presidency, you have to prosecute t because we deserve

better than we're getting right now. the problem is, when we look at the direction of this country, we've got to make a hard right-hand turn. >> a hard right-hand turn? prosecute the presidency? i mean, do republicans view this as an election, or a trial? >> maybe he thought they should persecute the president, which is what they've been doing for the last six years now. that was sort of inadvertently revealing. although it should be said, remember, the house republicans were going to sue the president over obamacare. seems they forgot about it. they never actually filed the lawsuit. and jess is right, the election has become, not necessarily about no issues, but it's just about, you know, just throw the whole kitchen sink in there and of all things now, some people are trying to make this midterm election of 2014 about ebola. and that makes about as much sense as lava running uphill in

hawaii. >> let me ask you this, republicans seem to be desperately trying to change their message on issues like women's health issues. >> they sure do. >> the anti-women's policies of the last few years. check out this ad from mitch mcconnell aimed at his opponent, alison lundergan grimes. >> alison lundergan grimes wants me to think that i'm not good enough. >> that i couldn't get a job unless washington passed more laws. >> she wants me to believe that strong women and strong values are incompatible. >> i mean, do republicans think that voters, particularly women voters have amnesia? >> i mean, clearly they must. also, i think that the kinds of ads that they are running on women's issues, like the one you just played, there are ads sprinkled around across the country, where they're coming out and saying they're in favor of equal pay for equal work, but

not saying they voted against it. scott walker saying he'll leave the decision up to a woman and her doctor. but he didn't hold that position in high school much less as governor. they're on the defensive about women's issues. we are seeing historic gender gaps. that's what happened in 2012. and in 2014, we've seen 20 and 30-point gender gaps. they won't change their policies, so they're trying really hard to obfuscate by changing their message and i don't think it's going to work in the last eight days of an election. >> dana, i want to go back to something you said. political reports that despite republican hype the house still hasn't actually filed the lawsuit against president obama that they announced four months ago, since you brought up the lawsuit i wanted to go back to that. politico says that, quote, some close to the process attribute the delay to electoral politics,

suggesting that republicans were worried it could rile up the democratic base. republicans said, we're facing a constitutional crisis. but now they're skipping this lawsuit because they think it could backfire, dana. >> right. this was all cooked up at a time they thought obamacare would be the big issue. now it's died as an issue and it's swept under the rug. this was done at a time when everybody was calling obama a tyrant and lawless and ignoring the constitution. in the last few days, the republican critique has been he's been so week on ebola and ineffective, and just a terribly weak leader. so i don't know whether he's this crushing dictator, or a weak leader. but the whole idea of it just changing situationally to get them through the 2014 mid terms, which, let's face it, looked quite good for the republicans. but say this in suspended

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>> the recent terrorist attacks in canada and new york are bringing a spotlight to self-radicalization of so-called lone-wolf terrorists. we're learning the gunman who killed a soldier in canada last week made a video of himself that police say show he was driven by idlogical and political motive. he reportedly also had ties to canadian jihadists who shared his radical view of islam. here in new york, authorities are calling the bloody hatchet attack on police, an act of

terror. he was visiting terrorist websites and looking at acts of violence online right before he attacked. >> this issue, the self-radicalized, the lone wolf, if you will, has grown to be one of increasing concern. it appears, just from the electronic forensic piece of this, that this is something he has been thinking about for sometime and thinking about with more intensity in recent days. >> when it comes as we learn more about the three colorado teens stopped in germany last week, trying to fight with isis in syria. the "wall street journal" confirmed the 16-year-old twitter account today before it was taken down. on september 11th, she tweeted. may ala's curse being upon the united states government and every lap dog regime following in its foot steps. and slandering, being monthing those who have gone forth for

the sake of allah is a really cheap move. then in a more recent tweet, she wrote, those who have tortured the believing men and believing women and then have not repented, will have the punishment of hell. >> you're looking for students, children, women, boys, who are disenfranchised for whatever reason, who feel as though they don't belong. and are very much looking for a place where they might belong. and that's what we think happened here. >> so how are these home-grown terrorists getting recruited? and how are we preparing to defend the homeland? joining me now is ken gould, senior fellow with the center for american progress. ken, thank you for being here. >> thank you very much, al. appreciate it. >> the lone wolf attacks at home are a little different than the girls going to syria. but how are both recruited?

>> well, it certainly is the case that isis has been very skilled at using the social media tools that are available to all of us to push out its message to individuals who may be inclined to support their radical view of islamist theology. because they have this focus on the individual, they have been more successful than al qaeda ever was, at trying to inspire these individuals into going out and committing these almost random acts of violence. >> now, you know, it was very interesting to me, and disturbing, the 16-year-old who turned to join isis. in july, this same young lady was tweeting anti-isis statements. the "wall street journal" reports that on july 24th, she

retweeted, quote, isis wants to be taken seriously, yet majority of their supporters insult, degrade, mock, or threaten our deaths. no, this is not islam. and she retweeted, do not call a 16-year-old child, girls, running away, a holy pilgrimage. my god, do you people even care about your family? but soon after this, people who know the girl said she became distant. how does a child become radicalized so quickly? >> as you said in the lead-in, you had a situation where this particular girm, but it's not just limited to just this one individual, something happened to trigger a kind of radicalization, a change in their -- in the way that they see things. this is not uncommon in young people. unfortunately now, there are predators out there who seek out individuals like this, who

specifically target them and try and push them and draw them in to this type of terrorist violence. now, i would draw a distinction between what happened with these three girls and with others who then travel or attempt to travel to syria or iraq and try to join isis there. with what happened in new york last week, which just seems to be a very isolated incident where the individual may have seen things online, but was not a part of any network, was not receiving instructions or training or anything like that. and that is the true lone wolf. >> and how do you stop? how do you even approach trying to stop something like the lone-wolf attack in new york? >> well, it's very difficult. and i don't mean to say that we should be throwing up our hands and saying there's nothing we can do. but we do need to look at it with perspective. any individual act of violence is a tragedy for the victims, and i feel very much for the

victims of this particular attack in new york. but there is a limited amount of violence that any one individual can do. it's the really organized, systematic attacks that the government and our law enforcement agencies are well equipped to detect and disrupt and prevent. the one thing we can do is keep the most dangerous weapons out of the hands of these individuals. and it's unbelievable to me, that as of now, people on the terrorism watch list can buy any weapon in the united states that they want. >> even right now? >> even right now. and while we are growing concern about these new lone-wolf terrorists, i think we should judge people's seriousness on whether they actually want to prevent this kind of violence by their willingness to close that

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>> we're back now with "conversation nation." joining us tonight, msnbc's krystal ball, comedian chuck nice, and huffpost host carolyn moat reesey terrainy. thank you all for being here. >> thanks for having us. >> is america ready for another bush running for president? jeb is seriously thinking about it, according to his son. >> is your dad going to run for president? >> i think he's still assessing it. >> do you think it's more than 50% or less? >> i think it's more than likely that he'll run. if you would have asked me a few

years back, i would have said it's less likely. >> so the family will be behind him? >> 100%, if he decides to do it. >> jeb bush's spokesperson saying today, he's not yet made a decision on running, but a decision could come late this year. you know what that means, we might see a bush/clinton rematch. is this the fight we want to see? is america ready? >> i feel like don king right now. that's how great this fight would be. of course, yeah, who wouldn't want it? this is the political equivalent of thunder dome. you know, this is the like the mad max of politics right here. bush versus clinton. you can't get any better than this. except the problem is, jeb is not nearly as funny as george. that's the only problem i have with him running. >> so as a comedian? >> i'm not as happy. because i don't see jeb looking into a camera and going, i'm the

decider. i'm sorry. >> i view this a little bit differently. >> still trying to get over him being the don king of politics. >> i look at it differently. we'll have a retread of the same characters we've seen in political life for decades now. that's the best we can put forward? i don't read the comments -- it's hard to say whether he was saying it's more than likely he's thinking about running, or thinking of running. i don't think it's quite as definitive. >> i lot of people are reading into it what they want. some in the chatter class in the media -- >> is that us? [ laughter ] >> they want that race. >> i tell you what i'm thinking. i wish i could have been a fly on the wall when they told barbara bush, listen, you got to tone it down a bit. don't keep talking about the fact that he's undecided and it's not a good idea. she was the only one saying,

we've had enough, everyone's had enough of the bushes and i'm with barbara, quite frankly. had enough. >> how do you, if you're clinton or bush, run against, well, we don't want to go backwards when both of them represent the past? >> i think that's the challenge for both of them. when you think the name bush, you still very much associate it with george w., and i also think jeb will have a problem getting through the primary. it's been clunky in his rollout, as hillary has been a bit clunky in her initial campaign rollout. >> drive the money and whip the tea party in line. we'll see. let's go on to rosie o'donnell coming to the defense of model christie teague an. it started last week after the shooting in canada. the model tweeted, quote, active shooting in canada, or as we call it in america, wednesday. she faced major listen backlash, even saying she was quitting

twitter. roser o'donnell came to her defense and continued her thoughts. >> this is what she said. active shooting in canada, or as we call it in america, wednesday. that is a brilliant, succinct, one-sentence thought that i completely agree with. it is so common place to have shootings in america that it doesn't even make the news anymore. it's not a joke. it's a fact. i'm like bravo, chrissy teague an. >> now rosy is facing backlash. do they have a point, though? >> in terms of the backlash, i think that only the timing moment of any kind of point they might have. perhaps it wasn't the best timing. but this tweet actually came out before the washington shootings that we saw and we were all just so devastated by it as well.

so no, i think she was holding up a mirror to a very, very issue. and the fact that she received such hatred. if you don't like it, it's america, now what are you going to do about it? >> we are so desensitized to gun violence in this country, that we are mad about a person tweeting about it, as opposed to to actually being mad at the gun violence? how crazy is that? >> it's not like anyone's refuting the fact that we have become too complacent with this. >> in ottawa in 2013, do you know how many homicides there were in ottawa? nine. now, i will say twitter is not the best place to make a really thoughtful and nuanced point. it is a challenging forum and i understand the timing of it was difficult. but the fact that we have an epidemic in this country of gun violence is just a fact.

>> we don't have a surgeon general right now. [ all speak at once ] >> i think chrissy got all of us talking and i think that's a good thing. i'm sorry for the backlash she got. now to a botched national anthem. before last night's world series game, aaron lewis, the lead singer of the band "staind," let's say he had a rough night. ♪ oh say can you see ♪ by the dawn's early light ♪ what so proudly we hailed ♪ were so gallantly streaming >> of course the mocking game immediately it came. but a lot of it was in the form

of him being unpatriotic. partly because many of his songs are about patriotism. and he openly sings about the rattle snake flag with a simple statement. that statement, the tea party don't tread to me slogan. and he has it tattooed on his neck. kriftel, the tea party hero botches the anthem. does it get any worse. >> i was all ready to feel bad for this guy. if i got up to sing the national anthem, i'm not sure how it would come out. but then i looked back and he had criticized christina aguilera for the same thing. so now i think it's karma. i think he should get a new tattoo, karma is a b. [ laughter ] >> actually, what am i going to say after that? i'm not even going to say my

joke. that was better. [ laughter ] >> you could get biblical and say, you reap what you sew. >> there you go. >> but it is -- well, everybody stay with me. because when we come back, i've got something for you to comment on. the ray rice costume. yes, it's happening. that's next. a brand new start. your chance to rise and shine. with centurylink as your trusted technology partner, you can do just that. with our visionary cloud infrastructure, global broadband network and custom communications solutions, your business is more reliable - secure - agile. and with responsive, dedicated support, we help you shine every day of the week. centurylink your link to what's next.

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kri whatever you're planning for halloween, it better not be this. this is a bad idea. it's the photo lighting up the internet. it shows a man dressed as ray rice carrying around a blowup doll that's supposed to be his wife janay palmer. and it followed this ray rice costume with a man in black face, and a woman with a black eye. and here's one showing a little kid's ray rice, he's ray rice with a doll. chuck, take this one, please. worst costume ever, chuck? >> it is the worst costume ever. and what is it about halloween that brings out in people this urge to be completely inappropriate and biggoted at the same time. it's like how do i get my completely disregard for social politeness and biggotry to come

together in the perfect sandwich of offensiveness. that's what halloween has become. i liken it to when a little boy who pulls a girl's hair. people who do the black face thing. i want to be black so bad, but my conditioning won't allow me to do it in the appropriate manner. this is what happens. >> someone knocks on your door dragging a doll, in black face, and they want you to give them candy. >> i would say, this is halloween and things are supposed to be scary. domestic violence is really scary. but this isn't the way to go about addressing it. why don't you volunteer at a shelter or read up about the issues, and that way you would never even think to dress up as ray rice for halloween. >> that's a good point. isn't the danger that most of the people that do trick or treating and the kids should not be made to feel that there's

something funny or comical about domestic violence? >> absolutely. the adults that were pictured are idiots and racists and heartless and thoughtless. >> sort of like the sexy ebola costume. >> it's crazy, but with a kid, it's disturbing, because this is something, an idea his parents had, and they thought it would be cute and funny and clever. and to me, that's just disturbing. the ebola nurse is also pretty disturbing. folks, you don't have to be so funny on halloween. it's not funny. and white people, please, no black face. it's not a good idea. >> what about a ghost or something? we've got to go. thank you for your time tonight. >> thanks, rev. >> thank you. coming up, the heroes. whatever you think of quarantine, the brave men and women are heroes, and they deserve all of our support. that's next. baron of the build-out.

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support. some things beckon for us to rise above politics and all of us should do that when genuine heroes put themselves in a place of danger, to do something for humanity. they should at least be treated with respect. thanks for watching. i'm al sharpton. "hardball" starts right now. christie goes macho on ebola. let's play "hardball." good evening, i'm chris matthews in washington. new jersey governor chris christie went viral this weekend. his people shut the george washington bridge down, he wants to stop the spread of ebola. he now wants to stop the virus from coming the other way. the trenton team that put out the cones is now trying to put every ebola