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backlash. the search for a missing football fan widens in denver. residents are on high alert on hawaii's big island where a river of lava threatens to swallow their home. amber vinson is heading home, nearly two weeks after being degreed with ebola. she spoke at a news conference moments ago. >> i'm so grateful to be well. first and foremost, i want to thank god. i sincerely believe that with god all things are possible. while the skim and dedication of the doctors, nurses and others who have taken care of me have obviously led to my recovery, it has been god's love that has truly carried my family and me through this difficult time and has played such an important role in giving me hope and the strength to fight. i also want to take a moment to publicly thank my dear grandparents, my aunt and my uncle who have been visiting me

here at emory. >> nbc's gabe gutierrez is live at emory university hospital in atlanta. where does amber go from here? >> reporter: good after. well, amber vinson is expected to head back to dallas. she's expected to leave here at dekalb peachtree airport to dallas love field and arrive home soon. we don't know what she'll be doing because she took no question. it was remarkable to see her walk into this room, the same room dr. consistent brantly two months ago addressed reporters after he was successfully treated by emory university hospital. amber vinson walked into this room, gave a brief statement, took no questions but she was surrounded by the doctors and thursdays that took care of her. she made it a point to hug and shake the hands of many of those health care professionals. >> gabe gutierrez in atlanta, thank you. let's go to the debate over ebola quarantine. several states announcing their own rules for who should be monitored, the cdc has issued

new guidelines. suggesting four categories for people entering the u.s. from ebola-stricken countries. those at high risk would volunteerry stay at home while keeping in touch with state and local health departments. the backlash continues for chris christie. nurse kaci hickox said the state violated her human rights by quarantining her over the weekend. chris christie, stumping for fellow republicans in maryland and new england, continued to defend his state's quarantine policy on "morning joe." >> members of the public believe, our policy hasn't changed and our policy will not change. >> nbc's kelly o'donnell is on the campaign trail with governor christie and she joins us from cranston, rhode island. the governor saying his policy hasn't changed but clearly they did walk back some of the harshness of the policy. is governor christie hearing about this on the campaign trail, and if so, what is he

saying? >> reporter: he would dispute that. i've been with him a couple days now and we just talked to him about this. he used the word malarkey. we asked him about the potential for nurse hickox to file a suit. he said, bring it on. get in line. i asked him about the conditions, the tents we saw of her when she was being kept in this quarantine state. and he was quite -- he pushed back pretty hard, would be the way i would describe it. he said the cdc approved of that. she was being monitored. she had access to the internet and even they brought her takeout. that was his phrase. he said she was doing just fine. he also said that he wishes her well. he's glad she does not have ebola, but he says that other states are following a policy similar to what new york and new jersey have done and that the united states military is also putting together a policy. chris christie disputes there's

backlash. he's been pushing back forcefully. >> kelly o'donnell on the campaign trail with chris christie. thank you. let's go to colorado where the mystery deepen after an nfl fan suddenly disappeared without a trace. 52-year-old paul kiterman went missing during thursday night's game between the denver broncos and san diego chargers. we have the latest from mile high stadium. >> reporter: good after to you. this is a mystery here in denver. how does someone in the midst of an nfl stadium filled with more than 75,000 fans go missing. that's exactly what happened to paul kitteman. last thursday as broncos took on chargers for thursday night football. >> he's somebody you can count on to do whatever you need. if he knows we're waiting for him, he'll be there. >> reporter: paul kitterman wasn't there for his stepson jarod, who was left waiting as the game ended and the crowd emptied. this photo of paul and the

couple who invited them to the game was taken just before halftime, the last time the group saw kitterman. >> paul was happy. perfect day, perfect situation. there was really nothing to be wrong. >> reporter: it was a big night for the 53-year-old colorado rancher. his first broncos game. but as excited as he was, he never returned to his seat during the second half. or the group's meeting place. >> we figured we'd run into him. maybe he went to the truck. we would still find him outside sitting on a bench outside the stadium. >> reporter: denver police say there's no evidence of a crime. >> we're looking at tapes and things like that to determine where he might have gone. obviously, it's a mystery and we're not sure. >> reporter: those who know him say he's a stand-up guy, hard worker with no known drug or alcohol problems. >> i want him to know we're worried about him and for whatever reason he's gone, just to let us know that he's okay. that's all.

>> reporter: now we know this man did not have a cell phone with him. his family and friends say he was not technologically advanced. he just learned to text last week. he had $50 in cash. he didn't have any credit cards with him. how far did that get him? no one knows at this point. there have been no sightings of him since halftime of that game last thursday night. this afternoon, the search continues. joy, back to you. >> nbc's janet shamlian. in hawaii, residents are prepared to evacuate as lava inches closer to the big town. we have more from hawaii. >> reporter: you can hear it burning. crackling methane explosions on the lava's leading edge. the red hot river, wider than a football field, closing in on the town of pahao.

moving slow in fits and starts, still melting hundreds of yards. >> until now there was hope it would stop, change direction. but the minute it affects the first structure or home, this is real. >> reporter: they know it's real. their home could be next. where is the lava flow from here? >> over there. >> reporter: that's where we went. the lava just passed the tree line in a property that's been in the family for five generations. in the backyard, a bulldozer building a berm. >> what's it for? >> to divert the lava around and go down here. >> reporter: do you think it will work? >> it might. >> we're hoping. >> reporter: for weeks this flow has been making its way toward p pahoa after a volcanic eruption in june. it just crossed a local road and a cemetery on the edge of town. a reality check for some, who are packing up and leaving. >> it could eventually get the

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election season can often mean that lots of important stories don't get the time they deserve. one of them that we would like to bring to you now is an update on a five-year, $40 million senate investigation into the cia's post-9/11 practice of torture. a dozen nobel peace prize resip yepts called for a full disclosure of the torture report including archbishop desmond tutu. president obama is not signing off on disclosure, however, at least not until the cia and the committee charged with oversight over the agency can agree on what should and should not be redacted. that's no easy task since the

relationship between the two is so poisonous, an internal cia inquiry in july confirmed that the cia spied on members of the senate intelligence committee. the process has become so frustrating for committee members that democrat ron white told the associated press last week, the intelligence leadership are doing everything they can to bury the facts. ryan grimm is "the huffington post" washington bureau chief. thank you for being here. >> thanks for having me. >> let's talk about first who is calling for this full closure. several nobel laureates saying they want to see full disclosure of the extent and use of torture by the united states. they want verification that the black sites that were opened during the so-called war on terror are closed. they want the closure of the guantanamo prison and they want the adoption of a firm policy and oversite preventing further torture. one of those in not in the hands 69 united states because congress would have to weigh in.

why now? why is this call being made by nobel laureates? >> earlier this year in july and august, the world was kind of bracing for this report to be released. not even the report because it's 6,000 pages. we're talking about a several hundred page executive summary that's been somewhat redacted. all through the summer, we kept hearing, any day now, any day now, this is going to come out. as you know, we're now deeper into the fall. it's not clear at this point when it's ever going to see the light of day. it's caught up between negotiations here between the senate and the cia and white house over how much will be redacted. but what needs to be remembered here is that there is an oversight role here. the senate oversees the cia. a lot of agencies have tons of oversight. they all bristle at it. nobody likes to have somebody looking over their shoulder. basically all the cia has is the

senate intelligence committee. and they just cannot stomach the notion of this committee telling them what they ought to be releasing and what they can keep secret. >> you say that. it's very interesting you make that point because the senate, the control is in bounds and we're talking right now on the democratically led senate that, as you said, has the oversight role. we should remember that what we're talking about here is torture during the previous administration. on the mcclatchy story last week said the soon-to-be released, they said soon, on the cia doesn't assess the responsibility of former president george w. bush or his top aides for any abuses of the agency's detention and interrogation program avoiding the full public accounting of one of the darkest chapter of the war on terror. is it odd, you're in washington, that you have a current president very much against what was done in the previous administration, being a part of the process of keeping that previous administration from

being fully exposed on this? >> yeah, looking from the outside, it's a bizarre decision. it's like you look at a murder and you find the hit man. you look into the hit man's past and you say, well, who hired the hit man? you say, well, we didn't lointo that but here's the guy who pulled the trigger. from outside that's bizarre. but inside washington, it has its own internal logic. it reveals the national security establishment has become an almost nonpartisan or bipartisan affair. whichever -- whichever party comes in and takes executive power, all of a sudden becomes this strong defender of that executive power. it's not surprising, if you look at it from a personal perspective. president obama would not have built the nsa as it exists today if he would have come in and built it from scratch, but he took over this massive apparatus and all of a sudden he's a huge dwernd of it. and so even when he reverses course on some of these torture

policies, it's so engraingraine we're only going to look at officers, we're not going to look at who made the decisions and ordered the torture. >> one of the reasons this was done in our name as americans, but you also now are seeing real world implications, including john mccain, you don't want to torture people because it can repercussions for your own people. there was a "new york times" chilling piece about what james foley and other isis hostages went through. among the things isis is doing in this barbarism they're practicing around the world is the brightly colored uniform, waterboarding prisoners, sort of using the tropes, the policies our country engaged in against their hostages. >> that's right. and, obviously, the cia and the bush administration are not directly responsible for what somebody outside of their control does.

as you mentioned, john mccain and a lot of other people said, look, we hold up certain values. by holding up these values, we're trying to create the best possible behavior from other countries and other organizations. if we torture people we have in our control when other organizations capture americans, they will be tortured. as "the times" reported, that's exactly what happened with isis. there was this chilling scene where they interviewed some of the other prisoners who say that if a prisoner left and came back bloodied, they were actually happy for them because it meant all they got was a standard beating. if there were no bruises and there was no blood, it meant they got waterboarded, which they described as the absolute most horrific being that could happen to a human being. >> necessity lined french hostages in brightly covered

uniforms, began waterboarding a select few as cia interrogators had treated muslim prisoners during george w. bush administration, witnesses say. given the politics now and the nervousness of democrats about holding onto the senate, what is the likelihood in your view and according to your reporting that this report actually would be released? particularly not -- it's not going to come out before the election, obviously. >> no, it's not. a lot of people within the cia and close to it suspect that democrats kind of got nervous right before the election. they let it drag so close to it that that's why they held it off. i believe we'll see it released during the lame duck. it doesn't actually matter who controls the senate next term. this is dianne feinstein's report, she can release it. it will come after the election.

now, you get to this place -- it's like breaking up with someone. there's never a good time to do it. right after the election, it won't be a good time because you wanted to be compromising on all this legislation that's going to get done during the lame duck. don't do it now because you'll break up that bipartisan, so maybe they push it toward the end of the lame duck. >> and then another presidential election gearing up. >> and -- there's always a reason not to be transparent. >> all eyes on the senate. i know you're doing more reporting on this. ryan grimm, thank you. >> thank you, joy. now three things to know this tuesday. a friend of boston marathon bombing suspect was beating in tsarnaev's dorm room.

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with one week to go before midterm elections, we want to focus your attention on senate race in george dpoerlg. another debate on monday night found the two major party candidates were trading jabs regarding the worst in the nation's unemployment rate with most back and forth that have dogged republican and ex-ceo david perdue. >> when i think about this race, i think about a real contrast we have. it's between someone who spent their life right here in georgia for 26 years, mobilizing volunteers and building communities and someone who by their own words has spent their career, majority of it, outsourcing jobs. >> this is all a sleight of hand, a distraction. this is what's wrong with politics. we get this every time we have a race. distraction away from truth. this president's failed policies are hurting men and women in georgia and you know that. >> the two major party candidates are neck and neck

with a seat likely republican. nbc's chuck todd took his meet the voters tour bus to find out why georgia could spell trouble for senate republicans. >> welcome to the surprise battleground state of 2014, that's georgia. senate and governor's races appear to be very competitive. jimmy carter's grandson, sam nunn's daughter, the run for gubernatorial seats in the senate seats. i'll tell you how it may be impacting the senate seat a little bit. the closing argument for pretty much every republican senate candidate in the country is connecting the democrat to president obama. president obama's approval ratings here are not very good. like they are in a lot of these battleground states for the senate this year, they lean redder, very much look like georgia. obviously, what helps michelle nunn insulate herself a little from that is her last name. particularly for older georgia voters, they know the nunn name stands for a different kind of

democrat, conservative democrat. that's been to stick closer to her than people like mark pryor, mark begich. i think the fascinating thing to understand about georgia and why these races, i think, are really close, it's a simple reason. it's the economy. georgia's unemployment rate two points higher than the national average. if this were 2010 you'd say, boy, that's going to hurt all democrats. you're looking, it's been a republican governor the last four years. it's a republican-held senate seat. i think it's why, for instance, the outsourcing hit that michelle nunn has done on david perdue and his business background, you know, for some of these small towns in georgia, they look at that and they say, oh, yeah, that's what happened to my job or that's what happened to my son's job or my dad's job. and so, i think it tugs at the heart a little bit. that's why it's, i think, helped stall perdue's momentum. question is, is there enough democratic vote in order for democrats to win? and i think that that's the question both are doing a big

push on both campaigns -- all four campaigns really about getting the base out. they're not talking to many persuadable voters. if you look at early voting, important for democrats. republicans have had a better early vote than democrats. we'll see what the numbers look like in a few days and i think we'll have a better picture. joy? >> chuck todd on the road, thank you. with me now is georgia state representative stacy abrams, house minority leader. representative, let's start there. you did see in that little clip we showed of the debate between nunn and her republican opponent, he wanted to focus on barack obama. she wanted to focus on unemployment. so, talk a little about that divide where you have perdue saying, no, look look at the president. you have nunn saying, no, let's look at unemployment. >> i think michelle made a clear and important point. with the senator we elect next tuesday will be the senator for

six years. we need someone who cannot only work with the president today but work with president in 2016. the problem for david perdue is he's focusing so exclusively on two years of a presidency that is -- he's ignoring the larger issue. for georgians, how do we get ourselves back on the feet, reduce the unemployment number and do it with someone who thinks no one in georgia is smart enough to understand outsourcing and the impact. >> i think we put the number up before, 7.9% unemployment in georgia. 5.9% is the national average. let's turn to the idea of who you get out. it's not just messages also being able to mobilize the base. chuck was talking about early vote going better than usual for republicans. obviously for democrats it's about getting out african-american voters. if you look at the states with the largest percentages of black residents, georgia is one of them. it has a 30.5% african-american population. and then if you look at voting rates, nonhispanic white compared to african-american, you know, african-americans in some parts of georgia have

actually turned out in higher numbers than white voters. what is the democratic party doing to mobilize that base typically comes out in a nonpresidential year. >> i would point out three things. first, republicans tend to vote in a higher number in early voting than democrats do in georgia. so, while their numbers are high, what you should look at is the fact that right now 33% of the early turnout vote is actually african-american. it's one of the highest we've ever seen. in 2010, that number was actually only 26%. in terms of actual registered voters, the percentage of white voters has declined over the last four years. and the african-american percentage has actually increased. that means if we can continue to turn out african-americans who typically vote democratic at the numbers we're seeing, at 30%, 31%, that gives us a very strong opportunity to take this election. the third thing i would look at

is you still have a very strong population in the latino population, asian-american population. those are two groups that have been systematically disinfranchised by the republican party in georgia. when you combine those numbers as well as progressive white voters who understand that they need a senator who speaks for all of them, and conservative white voters, especially those in the small town that saw david perdue's work take their job away, i think you'll see a coalition voters that turn out strongly for michelle nunn and the democratic ticket. >> and the governor's race on the line. let's talk about allegations, the unprecedented number of voters registered by the new georgia project as well as democratic organization, democratic-leaning organizations. there was allegation that 40,000 of those registrations that were still not completed by secretary of state's office. another 10,000 forms on the pending list according to the new georgia project, who was demanding this a judge actually compel election officials to do it.

we got a statement on this show saying allegations of unprocessed georgia forms, that's absolutely false. as far as you know, have all of the registrations been processed? >> we do not know. in fact, even today when we got the disappointing decision from the judge, we were earlier that day talking to citizens like a young student, graduate student, who is yet to be told he's on the registration rolls. it may be true these people have been processed but they don't know it. if they don't know they've been processed, it they don't know they're eligible voters, that shut terrify all of us. it's not whether or not they did their job, it's whether they did their job fully, completely and transparently. we would argue very strongly that the secretary of state has failed in his duty. as long as there's a single voter who does not know that she or he has the right to cast a ballot on november 4th, the secretary of state has failed.

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they then jumped him, kicking him, his younger brother heard him scream. where was the school staff when all of this was happening? these kids are supposed to be in school and they're supposed to be safe. >> new york city' school chancellor issued a statement saying, we will not tolerate intimidation or bullying of our students, especially in this moment when new yorkers need to come together. we are investigating this incident and we take this matter very seriously. thank you for being here, mr. diaz. let's talk about the atmosphere in this school. we're told the bullying did not just begin on the date of this incident but it happened before that 37 what steps are being taken to make sure these students wouldn't just be safe in school but africans in general will be safe? >> first of all, let me begin by saying in the bronx, our prayers were answered when the 5-year-old boy that many people

read about and was feeling ill because of a respiratory ailment, those tests on ebola came back negative. for that we're thankful. in this particular case what we're seeing is not just in new york, but throughout the nation. unfortunately, there's been this sensationalization of ebola and more and more people have to understand that there's got to be a happy medium where we can educate folks. in the bronx we have a large african population. that's why in 2009 i put together this advisory -- african advisory task force headed by charles cooper. what we don't want is for the population to become so hysterical that in this case we have kids being pummelled and dumped inside of school buildings. that is unacceptable. i'm happy that the chancellor put out that statement. we're working with the family,

the schools, with our advisory task force to meet with the department of education to make sure this type of bullying doesn't happen again. >> we all know kids can be cruel. that is an unfortunate part of growing up. bullying is something all schools are trying to eradicate regardless of the ebola outbreak. we have other examples of adults who have taken the fear of ebola to the wrong places. another parent in the bronx who has said her daughter has also been bullied in school and also been taunted with the ebola, you know, taint and said her business is actually suffering as a result of people's fear of ebola. let's take a listen to that. >> i do hair. i have a customer on saturday. she came to me. her friend told her, what, you're going to the african people to get your hair done? you going to catch the ebola. >> of course, this is not just

limited to new york and the bronx. a 16-year-old in nazareth, pennsylvania, who moved from new guinea who was taunted by chants of ebola from the other team. a 16-year-old who used to be proud to call herself liberian and now hesitating because of teasing. and a 13-year-old who was called to the principal's office. she's from ghana. this is not the entire continent of africa. but has there been any sensitivity discussions in the school? i know there are general bullying discussions that take place in the schools about not marginalizing or singling out african students. >> people need to realize that we need to just tamp down the hysteria here. tomorrow in the bronx we're having a huge forum on this, working with the department of health here in the city of new

york. and that anyone, if they're going to get this virus, it's not just because they're afri n african. that's something we have to educate folks. in this case with the kids coming from senegal, the last time there was an ebola case in senegal was in the middle of the summer. people need to understand, we need to educate each other. parents need to talk to their kids, whether it's on ebola or not. bullying needs to stop at home and it starts with the education of parents, what we're telling people is that this disease is very difficult to contract. that you have to be exposed to somebody who's very ill. this is the type of information that we're going to give out tomorrow. the type of questions working with people in the -- who are medical experts. we're going to get this information out to folks in the bronx. certainly we don't want a growing african population in my borough to be targeted, especially during this time when there's so many unanswered questions, when people need to be educated and we really don't want -- we certainly don't want

our kids to stop going to school. in this case a sixth grade and eighth grade broadways, toys, b. they were beat up by tenth grade students. that's another issue we have to address, how can this happen inside of a school building? but we don't want people to just target the african population because, again, this is only happening in a segment of the african continent and it's just a way for people to target a particular population is unacceptable, is disgusting. >> indeed. i think you've absolutely spoken for so many people. i want to bring into this discussion charles cooper, secretary -- i mean, president of the african advisory council of the bronx as well as the father of the two boys. wonderful to have you all here. thank you for being here. i want to start with you, and talk about in general -- my father was african. there was teasing that went

along with people of african descent regardless of what's happening now, but has there been increasing incidences of bullying as a result of the ebola outbreak? >> absolutely. i'm an immigrant. i came here when i was their age and i experienced bullying and teasing, as you mentioned. this is more high end. this is more vicious. you know, stigmaization that goes along with ebola, no matter what country you come from. they come from senegal, liberia. but we're all in the same boat. we're getting different occurrences of ebola stigmaization on the train. bullying on the train. i commend mr. drummond because he came forward. oftentimes it's difficult to put a face to what's going on. and because he was strong enough to come forward and let the african advisory council know of

what's going on, he asked us to advocate on his behalf, more and more folks are coming forward to say, this is happening to me. you are not alone. this is happening in stanton island, this is happening in the bronx, this is happening in har harlem, in brooklyn and the bronx and it must stop. >> when your lovely boys came to you, i see you have the soccer ball here, and you're amadu, on the end. when your boys came to you and told you this happened, you know, tell me that story. >> this happened about two weeks -- three weeks in this country, three weeks only. two weeks in their new school. the first three days without any problem. since the government, the politicians, talk about ebola, ebola, ebola, all pick up that word. in their classroom they don't call them their name. they don't know their name. they call them mr. africa, mr. ebola, mr. africa ebola,

like -- they come to me in the beginning, dad y they call me ebola. they call me africa. they don't want to know my name. i said, don't worry, in time they'll learn your name. you play good soccer. then they start beating them, i say it's over. >> in the beginning they were taunting them, calling them names, did they tell a teacher? any adult involved? >> i'm a teacher. we have a lot of complaint in our organization. our shop closed. every african woman who go to supermarket, you touch the meat, trust me, even the supermarket owners, they don't want us in their business. who have to do something to fix this problem. these children, if they go to school, in the gym, to play in

the gym. no, you have ebola. you don't play. oh, you come from africa, ebola. yeah i seen the tv. you have ebola. don't play. these children, they won't let them play. for three days in the gym. three days in the gym, they just sit down like this and go to classroom. >> and to add more harm to injury, you know, this happened in a courtyard in which kids are supposed to be playing. this was during lunch. the younger one was by himself because no one wanted to play with him. then there was taunting. oh, you have ebola. you have ebola. get away from here. then he was surrounded by a group of kids that threw him to the ground and started punching him. he started to scream. his older brother, who was not far from him and ran over to him. when he ran over to help him, he was jumped on by those other kids as well. >> if i may add for one second here -- >> because this does feel -- i mean, this is obviously a

definite physical threat to these young boys, but it sounds as if there should have been even before this physical altercation happen, some kind of intervention to protect two little boys in school. >> again, that's a separate sxvrgs issue we will have with the parents, with the schools, with charles cooper and the department of education. but what i want to say on ebola and all of the information that's out there is, you know, what we don't want is for people to be stigmatized, especially the doctors and some of the patients. god forbid if we have any more patients in the future. to me, this is almost reminiscent of what we saw around hiv and aids. we don't want a bigger problem in the future people, because they don't want to be stigmatized, because they don't want to be bullied, should they find themselves with some type of symptoms, they don't to want tell anybody. that's why we to educate folks, educate the parents. we'll be dealing with the department of education as it pertains to the bullying inside

the school. whether it happened because of ebola or not, that's a separate issue. no child should be going to school and getting beat up in the school yard, during lunchtime. at the same time, we want to make sure that everyone calms down. don't target anyone, whether you think they have ebola or not. we want people to feel comfortable coming out if they have symptoms. >> and to really understand. you can't even say enough or stress enough. we're talking about three countries where the outbreak has taken place, new guinea, sierra leone and liberia. people not understanding the outbreak itself and then applying that stigma across the entire continent, anyone african. >> at the end of the day, we want all kids to feel safe at school. doesn't matter if you're african, hispanic, caucuka cauc.

we want our kids to go to school, learn, play. >> what i'm telling you, the politician is supposed to correct the language. second thing, every politician need a team, communication team, learning them how to talk. let me tell you something, around the corner, around the corner. let me tell you something. our children can pass there liberia. why they treat you the same way -- >> destigmatize. >> yeah. what we're looking for is a greater outreach to the community. obviously, the kids are not well educated with respect -- and parents also. >> the adults. we are out of time but i want to say to the boys, you should be very proud for standing up for your little brother. i think that's wonderful you did that. and i'd love to play a game of soccer with you guys.

>> we are very proud of them in the bronx. >> very, very proud of them. lovely children. >> thank you so much for being here. ruben diaz jr. charles cooper. we want to let you know, in addition to thanking these wonderful people for being here, we'll have you look at live pictures of the white house south lawn where the president will leave for campaign events. we expect him to make a statement about the u.s. efforts to fight ebola in africa. the president just concluded a conference call with disaster assistance response people at u.s. agency for international development. nbc's luke russert is live at the white house. give us an update on what we expect to hear from the president. >> well, joy, he's obviously just spoken on a conference call with the usaid and the team and western countries in africa affected with ebola.

obviously, we know from the white house, the president will give them a prep talk after being briefed, thank them for their service, and then go on to wisconsin to campaign with mary burke, trying to knock off scott walker as governor. as far as what we expect the president to say in his speech directly after the conference call, expect words that have a reassuring tone to the nation. the white house right now is dealing with a little firestorm pertaining to the quarantine policies directed at the military and how those are different from the civilian population. the army has decided to have a 21-day quarantine period for all those soldiers returning from western africa to their bases. we know that the pentagon, perhaps, could extend that 21-day quarantine policy to the other branches of service. there's been speculation that policy is, in fact, more intense than it would be for the average, perhaps, civilian who is volunteering in west africa for medical purposes and why there is that difference.

there's no real clear-cut answer. so perhaps that will be referenced but i don't suspect it will. that's the story out of here. expect the words from the president to be reassurance, why containing ebola in western africa is important and why maintaining an open border with those countries is important. we've seen in the last few days australia becoming the first industrialized country to cut off their borders to an extreme degree, some have said, to those people from western africa that could be, in fact, draconian as the government of sierra leone said in terms of stopping this outbreak. >> thank you. that wraps things up for "the reid report." be sure to visit us online at thereedreport@msnbc.com. you are in "the cycle." we continue to wait for president obama to make a statement about ebola.

he did just wrap up a conference call with u.s. aid workers fighting this epidemic in west africa. we have columbia professor and runs the university's masters of bioethics program. thank you for being with us. >> my pleasure. >> what are you hoping the president will come out and say? we've had so many different responses across the country. we've had so much fear and misinformation. what are you looking for the president to say today? >> he needs to calm people because there's a fear of hysteria and a fear of stigmaization of anyone who's been to west africa or aid workers who have been there. at the same time, i think it's important for him to emphasize there are things we need to protect ourselves and things that are going too far and will be counterproductive. so, i think at the moment the fact that you have governors such as governor christie saying we should quarantine any aid

worker who's been there, even if that person has no symptoms whatsoever, that's absurd. that makes no sense scientifically. it's political grandstanding. the reason it makes no sense is we need aid workers to go there to africa because the epidemic is taking off like this. the epidemic is doubling periodically and some people say could easily in the near future reach a million cases. so ulg continue to have people coming over. you want to address that problem as well. you want aid workers to go over. the most important scientifically here is that i could have treated patients. if i covered myself properly, i am at no risk of infecting other people. someone with no symptoms cannot spread the virus. >> medical experts keep telling politicians and the folks, the american people that, and yet american people keep