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"the ed show" is coming up next. good evening, americans. welcome to "the ed show" from new york .we are following breaking news in california today. nbc news confirms one fatality and one injury from the experimental space vehicle's crash. we are awaiting a press conference at any moment at the mojave air and space port where we'll hear the latest on this accident. and the virgin galactic spaceshiptwo was on a test run when it lost contact with ground controllers at the mojave space port. the spaceshiptwo separated from the vehicle carrying it aloft and threw flew under rocket power as planned. moments later they reported an in-flight problem and, quote, loss of vehicle. two crew members were aboard the
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lost aircraft. a photographer covering the test flight told nbc news he witnessed a mid-flight explosion. according to the captain of the kern county fire department, the debris field is spread out over approximately two miles. the ntsb and the faa will send teams to investigate the crash on site. richard branson, the billionaire founder of the virgin group tweeted his plans to fly to mojave immediately to be with the teams. branson hoped to ride the first commercial flight on virgin galactic's planned space program. the company's founder wasn't the only one looking for a ride into space. more than 700 customers have paid as much as $250,000 for a ticket to suborbital space. joining me tonight on the phone is tom bunn, retired airline captain. also with us this evening, anthony roman who is the ceo and founder of ac roman and associates. thanks for your time tonight. in the experimental aircraft
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community, unfortunately these things happen. this is part of the business. tom bunn, from what you've been able to gather from what is unfolded today, what's your first impressions of this? >> well, my impression is that this is a pretty crazy thing to do. and i know people expect they sign up for a ticket to something branson puts together as if it's like buying a ticket on one of his airlines. this is not the same thing at all. you know, we used to -- i'm also a therapist as you know. we used consider narcissism as a personality disorder. but narcissism is just considered normal now. it seems to me people want a piece of branson so therefore they want to sign on to do this absolutely insane thing. this is dangerous to get on a rocket-powered vehicle. >> i mean, a lot of things could have happened here. could have been mechanical failure. could have been fuel issues. could have been structural failure. there's a lot of stuff here that
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could have gone wrong. anthony roman, your organization has been involved in crash investigations. your take on this? >> you know, i'm a commercial pilot as well. and, you know, experimental aircraft, the entire industry is alive and well in the united states. there are manufacturers every day manufacturing kit planes that are put together by general aviation pilots and reasonably safely flown all over the country every day. space flight, on the other hand, is an entirely different endeavor. it is beyond experimental. it is high risk and failure is expected at particular intervals that are considered a very high rate relative to commercial flying. >> okay, mr. roman. i'm going to have to interrupt you. we're awaiting a press conference and that is now underway. let's go to it. >> -- occurred at approximately
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10:10 a.m. at approximately 10:12 we became aware of an in-flight anomaly and implemented our preplanned response plan. my team was dispatched to the nor north. the chief will discuss that and the sheriff will discuss his involvement. i had confirmation of a mishap just a few moments later, approximately 25 miles north of the airport and we were given a latitude/longitude of potential site. a time like these, those of us in the aerospace world acknowledge we are in this freely. we recognize the contribution we make to a nation, the traveling public, and the general contribution to an amazing industry that provides transportation to the entire world.
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but when we have a mishap from the test community, we find that test community is very small. and we are human. and it hurts. and our hearts, thoughts, prayers absolutely with the families of the victims. we do know that one of the crew members was met by emergency responders, treated on the scene and transported to antelope valley hospital. we also know we had one fatality. i want to also acknowledge the artisans, the craftsmen, the engineers, the emergency responders, the technicians, the janitors, everybody in this industry that gives it their all every single day. these parking lots are filled seven days a week. no one is forcing these people to do this.
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i can't speculate at this time on the cause. i know george is going to address that. again, chief and donnie, i just want to say thanks to the emergency responders. you guys have been with us and you will be with us every step of the way for years. and to your team personally we say thanks. at this time, turn over to george's statement. chief. pardon me. sheriff. sheriff donnie youngblood. kern county sheriff. >> thanks to the involvement of the sheriff's office in this will be the lead. we -- i got the call this morning that there'd been an anomaly, a mishap. and i flew out, flew around the crash site. it's a large area. the aircraft is in several different pieces.
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we found one person who obviously was deceased immediately. i do not have the condition we left here it appeared to be major injuries. but we don't know really what that means yet. our thoughts and prayers are with the family and we hope that the survivor will be just fine. >> hello. mike kho mike khocody. our department goes ten years working with mojave air and space port. we have done briefings to get ready for a mishap. it's not why we want to stand here today. we've been here and assisting responders. if there are plans to take an
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event on the facility, then we take it off the facility. then our role is rescue. i believe the sheriff's department. administering care to the survivor. and transferred the care to mercy air 14. air helicopter for transport. and so we continue to support mojave air support in any way possible. thank you. >> next up kevin mickey like mickey mouse. president is the president of scales composites. kevin? >> afternoon, everybody. to echo what stu said, thanks to all the support we get from the mojave air and space port.
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i want to say our job continues immediately after locating the crash site we set out to secure the crash site. we expect the ntsb will arrive approximately 7:30 tomorrow morning. we will spend a couple of hours putting together as we continue the investigation which will take several days. >> we heard that, i guess this particular -- just like to get the statements and then we'll take some of your questions, if you don't mind. with all due respect. ladies and gentlemen, george whiteside's the chief executive of virgin galactic. george? >> hello, everybody. our primary thoughts at this
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moment are with the crew and family and we're doing everything we can for them now. i'd like to recognize the work of the first responders. who we work with in the antelope valley for their efforts on behalf of the team. we're also thinking of the team members that we have at the program. i can say richard branson is on his way. he's flying now to mojave and we expect he'll be here by tomorrow morning. space is hard and today was a tough day. >> all right. you're watching a press conference at the mojave desert air and space port.
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there's very little information coming out of this. there's very little they can say, because this mishap took place earlier today. the investigation is going to be underway by the ntsb and the faa en route to the scene. joining me tonight on "the ed show" is mikey kay who has visited with mr. branson, the owner of this entity. mikey, good to have you. the most valuable piece of information out of this as i see it is going to come from the surviving pilot. i mean, as a pilot myself, when you're taking off, you're reading gauges. i would imagine when you're being separated from a craft that's getting ready to let you go at a higher speed and a higher altitude, they're probably looking at everything. pressure gauges, torque, whatever is there in front of them. so it would seem to me that this pilot hopefully he survives and his injuries aren't too severe,
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he's going to be really the most valuable piece of information. isn't he? >> you're absolutely right. there is so much going on when you're going through this type of flight profile. it's important to say you've got a number of companies. this is a huge setback for brandon's virgin galactic. >> years? >> it's impossible to say at the moment. but we know he really was the forerunner when it came to investigating, putting people like you and me up into suborbit. i don't mean space. what this whole commercial race, space race is about is actually getting people like you and me up at a hundred kilometers from the earth up to a weightlessness environment for about four to six minutes then coming back to earth. it's not about putting people like you and me to spaces like the space station or the moon. this is a hugely competitive industry. as you rightly say as a pilot or
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astronaut. during this profile where the spaceshiptwo is launched from the mothership at about 50,000 feet, it then disconnects. then the engines would then get into action and this thing would go up to 300,000 foot. >> there's nothing like that test pilot to be able to come back and give the engineers the information and the actuality of exactly how the aircraft performed, how all of the systems coordinated. and there's a real good chance that this pilot if he survives, could tell engineers this is what happened. >> you've just got to go back to the whole -- anyone who's read the right stuff will have a good understanding of the importance and the significance of having a pilot or astronaut with someone smelling what's going on with
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the cockpit and gauges. you didn't do that in a drone. that's why it's so clinical to have someone in a seat. >> for those who are novice and don't follow this an awful lot, the mission here, the end game here is to be able to travel the globe within a matter of minutes. i mean, right now this is so experimental, but at the end of the day, where we want to be 20 years from now is be able to go have lunch in moscow, i guess. i don't know. what about that? >> never been to moscow. >> i've never been there either. picked the wrong city. maybe we'll go fishing in alaska. >> i would love to join you for lunch in moscow. there are three main companies involved in this space race. first is virgin galactic. they launch the spaceship to from a mothership as we've seen in the footage so far. then a company like sierra nevada that go back to the more usual principles of putting a
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pod on top of a rocket and that is then physically launched into the atmosphere. then you've got people like xcor, and they have this called the lxv. a relaunchable vehicle. that is as conventional you can get. it could take off like delta or virgin would from a runway. it goes suborbital for four to six minutes then lands normally. when it comes to what you said which is the ultimate objective which is space travel but with an objective for business to get from one side of the globe to the other, go to china, have a lunch meeting, then get back to new york in the same day. >> when you say this is a big setback, i think a big personality is behind this in mr. branson. how determined in s this man? you've spet time with him.
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>> i haven't met branson himself. he's a huge advocate of the british military and what they do. and he's invested a lot in the british military. i've had conversations with his team at virgin galactic. just look at his history. you don't become richard branson, a bill gates, a warren buffett by succeeding the first time. this guy has failed and failed and failed and then he's come through. and he's pushed himself not just both in a business community, but he's pushed himself physically. we've seen him going around the globe in balloons. we've seen some of the flight he's done. he's the ultimate adventurer. again, going back to the days of tripp yeager, anyone who's read that book, these things don't come easy. these things are hugely dangerous. but the reasons why these pilots are hired, the reason why god bless his soul, this chap has perished today. the reason he was in that seat
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was because of experience. and the bottom line is there probably isn't any better to assess the risk than this guy. that's why he was there. and he would have had a passion for it. he wanted to be there. he wanted to explore that. >> thank you so much for coming in. appreciate it. coming up, to politics. mary landrieus comments that ruffled the feathers of our friends. rapid response weighs in on that. but first walker allies make a last ditch effort to smear his opponent mary burke. details coming up. stay with us. gunderman group is. gunderman group is. getting in a groove. growth is gratifying. goal is to grow. gotta get greater growth. i just talked to ups. they got expert advise, special discounts, new technologies. like smart pick ups. they'll only show up when you print a label and it's automatic. we save time and money. time? money? time and money. awesome. awesome! awesome! awesome! awesome! (all) awesome! i love logistics.
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a deference in an article of the wisconsin reporter. former trek employees claim burke was fired from her family from trek bicycles, european division in 1993 for financial losses and plummeting morale. those are some pretty serious accusations. burke hasn't been shy about touting about her ability to run businesses and also her business experience all the way back in the early 1990s. in the name of responsible journalism, let's take a moment to consider the source. the wisconsin reporter received $191,000 from the bradley foundation in 2012. the bradley foundation is headed by george ribee. he is chairman of governor walker's campaign committee. in the article in question cites gary ellerman and three anonymous former employees in the report. who is gary ellerman?
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well, he's the chairman of the jefferson county republican party. ellerman is also a former trek employee who was fired for incompetence in 2004. ellerman also ran as a sham democratic candidate in the 2012 senate recall primary. and then there's this. >> this is scott walker and this is gary ellerman. a walker campaign worker and donor who puts pictures like this on his facebook page. >> no conflict of interest or ax to grind there. unfortunately, in the final days of the campaign this story is dominating the airwaves in wisconsin. the two candidates went back and forth on local news where walker is claiming he didn't have anything to do with it. >> i'm certainly happy to answer any questions around this, but these are lies and the voters should look at my track record of exactly what i have accomplished. >> we haven't talked about it because unless somebody can validate it, it's not my
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business. >> he is a career politician who will do anything to win an election including lies, smears, dragging a great wisconsin company through the mud. >> i don't have any knowledge about that, so i'll have to leave that to them. i can't comment on something i don't know much about. >> this is nonsense six days before an election, baseless allegations that are deterring from the issues, frankly, that are really important. >> but notice you didn't say walker say, this is not my campaign. you know, it was just arm's distance there, governor walker. burke is right. if wisconsin voters are talking about this story, scott walker won't be forced to answer for things like. >> 250,000 new jobs. that's my goal. 250,000 new jobs by the end of our first term in office. our critics say it can't be done. >> because the critics were right. with just a couple months left in his term, private sector has
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increased by 111,000. far less than the 250,000 jobs promised. which is why walker has been out spinning the same excuse like a broken record. >> as i traveled the state four years ago, i decided then and there that i was going to aim high and set a big goal of 250,000 jobs. >> we set a big goal of creating 250,000 jobs. because i know wisconsin can do great things. >> i set high. 250,000 jobs to make up for the jobs lost and dig for the future. because i believe in the people of the state. i believe in wisconsin. >> you catch that? walker wants you to know that was a big goal he set. so he must think that adding 10 million jobs nationally is just a heck of an accomplishment. so big and bold that it was impossible to reach. walker doesn't have an excuse and he doesn't want to talk about issues because he knows this race is close, too close for comfort. a new marquette poll shows a
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lead among mary burke. among registered voters she trails in this race by just one point. bottom line, burke needs every single registered democrat to turn out on tuesday if she is going to win this election. which is why former president bill clinton is out in the home stretch trying to rally the base. >> a governor who knows business, who's created good jobs and helped build a great wisconsin company. who's helped hundreds of kids stay in school and get to college. who brings people together across party lines with b not dividing them. sounds pretty good, doesn't it? well, that's mary burke. if you're ready for a governor who will get up every day thinking about your family and building the middle class, you're ready for mary burke. >> joining me tonight, lee saunders, president of ask me. mr. saunders, good to have you with us tonight. you have been on record saying that you think governor walker
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is public enemy number one. i believe you have characterized this election as a get back for the middle class. is this what you really think? or is this an effort to motivate people to realize what's at stake in this election or both? >> it really is both. i'm glad to be on your show. we have got to motivate and educate and mobilize, organize our base like never before. not only within afscme but our communities. we've got to paint the picture of the differences between these two candidates. on one hand you've got governor walker who took collective bargaining away from public service workers who doesn't believe in the increasing the minimum wage. who claim that he would create 250,000 jobs in the state of wisconsin. wisconsin ranks almost dead last in the midwest as far as creation of jobs. a terrible economy continues in
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that state for working families. he ignored the medicaid expansion program, didn't accept that money. which would have meant 500 million dollars to the state. it could have created jobs. and on the other side, mary burke who believes in civil rights and economic rights for everyone. that's what we're fighting for. >> what has happened to your union in wisconsin since walker's been governor? >> well, we have lost our collective bargaining rights, lost the ability to represent our members. but we have a core group of activists who are fighting like never before who are knocking on doors, who are making those phone calls, talking to their coworkers, talking to neighbors and their friends. talking about the importance of this race. talking about the fact that we have got to vote on november 4th. we've got to do early voting in order to change the face of this country. not only in the state of wisconsin, but across the country. because there is a wisconsin
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moment that a number of candidates and a number of governors want to implement if they're elected or re-elected. we've got to stop that move. >> so what about this smear campaign down the stretch? walker is trying to distance himself from it. but there's so many connections, the people that are doing it in his campaign. whap do you make of it? >> well, he's connected but this is clearly a diversion. let's stick with telefacts. let's stick to the record he's created over the past four years. that record is not good for working families in the state of wisconsin. it's not good for folks who are trying to play by the rules every single day, put food on the table. to try to make ends meet, to try to achieve that american dream. let's stick to the facts. if we stick to the facts and if we organize our communities and show the differences that exist between these candidates, then i think that we can be victorious and mary burke can be the next governor of the state of wisconsin. >> do you think that walker is going to lose? i mean, how close is this going to be? all of these folks that have
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been lost, you know, membership from your union, are they still engaged to make a change b? >> they're engaged. i was there last week. i attended different events in madison and in milwaukee. our people are engaged, our community is engaged in the city of milwaukee early voting is very, very high. i think folks get it. they understand that there is an extreme importance to vote in this election. and that's exactly what we're going to do. we're knocking on doors. we're making those phone calls. we're educating our communities. this race is going to be extremely close. i don't have a crystal ball. i don't know who's going to win in wisconsin or across this country in these very important governors' races. but i'm telling you working families are coming together and understand the importance of this election. >> lee saunders, president of afscme, thank you for coming on. republicans have a field day over mary landrieu's race comments. rapid response panel weighs in on the race and elections.
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welcome back to "the ed show." republicans are having a field day with a comment a democratic senator made about racism in the south. sometimes the truth hurts. louisiana senator mary landrieu told cnbc's chuck todd one of the reasons president obama is unpopular in her state of louisiana is his race. >> being very honest with you, in the south it's not always been the friendliest place for african-americans. it's been a difficult time for the president to present himself in a very positive light as a leader. it's not always been a good place for women to be able to present ourselves. it's more of a conservative place. so we've had to work a little bit harder on that. but, you know, the people trust me, i believe. really they do. to trust me to do the right thing for the state. >> and the reality is, the
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senator from louisiana is right. race still plays a huge role in politics in the south. republicans are in denial if they think racism is over. the kids on the kirby couch wasted no time jumping on landrieu's comments this morning. >> she's saying hey you racists and bigots out there, i need your vote on tuesday. >> democrats are facing a dire predicament right now. >> they lost the young people, latinos are waffling. they are ambivalent. women are even asking questions. so they've got to go to their strength, they've got to go to the african-american vote. louisiana, you know, at least a third of the electorate is black. i mean, that is mary landrieu's only hope of sustaining. and they are making a very blatant plea for that vote. but, you know, even the general population needs 87% approval among black vote rs. so it makes sense from their point of view demographicicly. >> young people are going to the
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gop? where'd you get that? same place you were looking for al capone? the louisiana secretary of state released its final report of this year's early voting. black voters only made up about 33% of the overall early voting. they make up about 31% of louisiana's registered voters. mary landrieu is facing a tough re-election battle against bill cassidy. cassidy also reacted to landrieu's interview on fox news. >> i wish she'd focus more on policy instead of insulting it. we're going through the political process to make and change our constitution and we're called racist. we're not racist. we just have common sense. >> joining me tonight on a rapid response panel, political analyst and contributor, and also msnbc contributor and director at lehigh university. dr. peterson, sometimes the truth hurts. what's wrong with what mary landrieu said? >> if anything, this is an understatement.
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do a quick history lesson. transatlantic slavery was developed in the south. jim crowe laws born in the south. they were the dixie crats. think about the history of lynches. and look at the criminal justice system in the south today. look at police brutality today. look at the eroding public system today. think of all the efforts by republican legislators to end early voting and disenfranchise largely elderly and african-american and latino voters. what she said is so understated when you look at the data around the state across this nation. i think it's absurd for anybody to be calling for her to back track or apologize. >> zerlina, cassidy said they're not racist, they're just using common sense. >> i mean, that's hogwash, right? i think what this conversation is and i think we can't get zraktsed by what they do every time and say you're playing the race card. this is not necessarily a conversation about individual
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feelings on behalf of people who follow in the republican party. this is about structural equality. like dr. peterson said about policy. it is absolutely about policy. so the republican party going back to the 1965 voting rights act, where they stood in opposition to an increase in access to the voting booth, that's mirrored today with voter suppression. beyond that, all along being opposed to affirmative action and quotas, demonizing anyone who stood on that side of that issue. whenever it comes to making the world just a little bit more equal for women, people of color, the gop is on the wrong side of the issue. >> what about rand paul, dr. peterson? it's just -- there's all this outrage all of a sudden about what mary landrieu stated factually. the fact is that life in the south for african-americans has not been easy. as you stated.
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but rand paul makes comments there as well. what do you make of it? >> number one, unfortunately women are much more vulnerable to all kinds of political and public attacks when their lives are in the public sphere. see hillary clinton for this. so unfortunately senator landrieu, even though she mentions the gender piece in this, she's subject to that. her fiercist critics are all male politicians. somehow rand paul despite what his sort of -- he kind of waivers here. he tries to reach out to the black community, but he says some of the most horrific things like private restaurants being able to discriminate against black folks. he said that on this network, by the way. he gets that pass because he is a man. the gender piece is big as well. >> so bobby jindal who is the governor of louisiana called landrieu's comments, quote, a major insult to the people of louisiana. what about that? >> well, i mean, i think it's interesting that -- >> so she's insulting people because she's stating a historical fact. >> number one, it's a historical fact, but it's also true that
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the southern strategy was a thing. they actually did try to pander to white tensions and white races in the south in order to gain votes. that's something that is a verifiable truth. that's not an opinion that you state that you can say that's not true. we can look at the documentation that shows that that was an explicit strategy on their behalf. i think the fact of the matter is that racism is a lot more divisive than accusations of racism. >> denying medicaid expansion to the citizens of louisiana and the state of louisiana is an insult to them. katrina and the government's response to katrina was an insult to them. right? there are many ways in which politicals and political figures have insulted the citizens of louisiana. this particular comment is not one of them. it's just the truth. listen, why can't we have an open conversation about the is? why is everyone so defensive about it? their defensiveness, i think speaks to the truth of what she's talking about. we can't even talk about race
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without going into the history. >> so does this help or hurt the senator? >> sadly because of the racial climate in this nation and the ways in which people use race as a political football instead of dealing with racial issues, i think it will stand a chance of hurting her. >> what do you think? >> it could hurt her but also remind african-american voters in louisiana that they have someone on their side to speak the truth. >> that's the political accusations that she's saying this to motivate her base. >> i think anybody that was going to vote republican and then change to her. how many was that for african-americans? three people? i applaud her for at least tells it like it is. >> good to have you on "the ed show" tonight. coming up, joni ernst's ideas is enough to make democrats in iowa squeal. keep it here. they're still afte. get to the terminal across town. are all the green lights you? no. it's called grid iq.
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attack instead. this isn't the first time gohmert's comprehension problems got in the way of a coherent statement. >> the the definition of -- of sexual orientation is wide open if you're oriented toward animals, bestiality. then that's not something that can be held against you. we're still borrowing money from the chinese. there's no assurance that if we did that, those -- we wouldn't end up with moo goo dog pan or moo goo cat pan. >> attorney general failed to answer my questions about -- [ all speak at once ] >> order, mr. chairman. >> -- on my asparagus. >> if louie gohmert thinks disorientation passes for dialogue, he can keep on pretending.
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wage for many high school students. >> closing the doors to the department of education at the federal level. >> obamacare is a job killer. it is a job killer. obamacare is a job killer. let's shut down the federal epa. i do believe in the right to carry. and i believe in the right to defend myself and my family, whether it's from an intruder, or whether it's from a government, should they decide that my rights are no longer important. >> in rural america, you got to go to the guns and talk about that. shockingly, this race is close. the latest poll out of iowa, has joni ernst leading by 2 points with just days away from the election, those numbers could get a shock. former president bill clinton will return to iowa saturday for a barbecue fund-raiser for braley, this will be his third trip to iowa. for more let me bring in lionel, legal commentator, news decoder,
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holy smokes. >> that's easy for you to say. >> the cast of tea partiers is getting wilder by the moment. she's got her washington bullet points. how out of the mainstream is she? >> apparently, what scares me and you as well, they seem to be neck and neck. but here's what i don't understand, big ed. tea partiers believe in the constitution, the essentials of this country, yet whenever they don't like something that is federally mandated, they say, let's rebel against it. there's this pesky thing under article 6 which says the federal government is supreme to the state. isn't it funny how they have their cake and eat it too, willy nilly? >> that's right. >> i'm either go to defy it and nullify it, or if i like the legislation, i'll go along with it. >> so does it surprise you that this is even close, as far out of the mainstream as this
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candidate is? >> yes. we may laugh at this, talk about castrating hogs, and using that as a syllogism to legislation. but apparently, we're out of the mainstream. if there was a lopsided differential, i would say, maybe people would be taken aback by this rhetoric. but i don't think they are. >> do hog farmers really see the world that differently? >> on that point of view, they do, perhaps. >> bill clinton's going to iowa. what's it mean? >> rock star. rock star. without him, without his endorsement, not good. >> he's had an impact in kentucky as well. he's been there a few times. in fact, the governor of knkt told me that was a game-changer and really motivated the democratic party in the state, and tightened that race quite a bit. clinton won iowa twice, so he's got friends in the state. whether it's going to have coat-tails or motivate people to vote remains to be seen. what do you think about turn-out this year?
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>> i'm hoping it's going to be high. but this is the problem. high for whom? do we get well thought, well educated, well researched, is that what high turn-out means? or do we want low turn-out? but when it comes to bill clinton, without bill, there ain't no race. >> there's another guy out there that's a little goofy, steve king. >> goofy? don't hold back. don't sugar coat. >> he's got a lot of famous saying. he's got donald trump out there. listen to this. >> today i'm here to support steve king, a special guy, a smart person with really the right views on almost everything. >> wow! this is donald trump's turn to the far right. >> i don't want to rain on their king's parade, but if you watch that in its entirety. he says, yeah, you go ahead, smart guy, a lot of good ideas, and he inches his way away from
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him. watch the whole video. he didn't necessarily endorse whole heartedly. he just says smart guy. what you say in a receiving line at a wedding. >> so this is mr. king saying good things about trump. >> donald trump has made his mark wherever he's gone. time after time when the hand of donald trump touched something, it turned into something good for america. >> he's looking at him, like, what is this? is trump running for president? >> i hope so. but why would he? first of all, financial disclosure, coming clean as far as financial deals. he probably won't. but just dream. i think he's one of the most exciting people, because whenever he speaks, i didn't say good now, ed. you're giving me this look. just in terms of adding the excitement to a race, he is it. but just notice the body language there. >> he had the lean, no doubt about that. >> he certainly did.
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>> lionel, thanks for coming tonight. >> thank you. "politicsnation" with reverend al sharpton starts right now. >> thanks to you for tuning in. we start tonight with breaking news. virgin galactic spaceship two exploded and crashed today in california's mojave desert. at least one person is dead and one is seriously injured at the hospital. these are the first images of debris. the space tourism rocket was on a test run when it exploded. the company said it suffered, a, quote, serious anomaly. richard branson tweeted that he's flying to mojave following crash of spaceship to be with the team. the national
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