tonight. >> thank you. "politicsnation" with reverend al sharpton starts right now. >> thanks to you for tuning in. we start tonight with breaking news. virgin galactic spaceship two exploded and crashed today in california's mojave desert. at least one person is dead and one is seriously injured at the hospital. these are the first images of debris. the space tourism rocket was on a test run when it exploded. the company said it suffered, a, quote, serious anomaly. richard branson tweeted that he's flying to mojave following crash of spaceship to be with the team. the national transportation

safety board is sending a team to be on the ground in the morning. moments ago, virgin glal actic ceo addressed the tragedy. >> our primary thoughts at this moment are with the crew and family. space is hard and today was a tough day. we are going to be supporting the investigation as we figure out what happened today. and we're going to get through it. >> so where does this investigation go from here? joining us now, james oberg, an nbc news space analyst and former missioner controller. and katie higgins, former national transportation safety board. thanks to both of you for speaking with us. >> yes, hello. >> kitty, you've been on the seen for many crashes. what are investigators going to be looking for?

>> reverend al, at the beginning of the investigation, they'll look at everything that might have happened with this accident. they will look at the pilot's training and experience. they will look at the maintenance records of the vehicle. they will look at the fuel source. apparently there was a new fuel being used on this particular flight. they will rule everything in until they can system atically rule things out. so at the beginning, everything on the table and day by day, as they go through it, they will take things off the table. >> kenny, how is a rocket like this different to investigate than, say, a commercial plane? >> well, in some ways, it's the same. remember, the safety board has investigated, for example, the challenger accident. so they are familiar with the workings of spacecraft. i think the mechanics are different and the fuel source and what the flight is trying to

do are different. but the fundamentals remain the same. that you're looking at all aspects of the operation and the physical structure of the plane as well as weather and human input. >> james, what are your questions tonight? >> i want to know what the timeline is about this. because it's still unclear. all early reports tend to be garbled and we'll find out more. it's a new engine on board. they were having trouble with the old design of engine. they couldn't get it to work. in fact, the old engine had blown up on the ground several years ago and killed three of their engineers. so now this new engine was for the first time being test-fired in flight. so somewhere along the way, it looks like something went wrong with the engine. kitty is exactly right. having a theory is not the way you go into an investigation. you have to keep your mind clear to look at the evidence.

but this is a serious setback to the company involved. but this kind of development is working with many different vehicles out there just to get access to this sub orbital space u but not out in orbit. people want to fly there. and scientists want to fly there. so this will continue. maybe this vehicle will be delayed. there are other vehicles still pushing forward. >> james, we know that it took off at 9:18 and it was already down by 10:00. does that tell you anything? >> no, that doesn't. because the airplane, the white knight that carries it up to altitude, takes about an hour to get to altitude, about 45,000 feet. they dropped the rocket plate under the belly of this carrier plane, and then it lights its engine, it makes a quick dash up into space and then dropped back to earth. so that doesn't help right now.

but that will all come clear. they'll find out who made the mistake. because space is hard when we do things perfectly. and people make mistakes and that's what happened. mistakes don't get made. mistakes aren't made. they are made by people. when you look into it and you see what the mistake was, you find something you can fix. the investigators will track that down and they'll fix it. it may take a while. take more money and some more delays. >> kitty, the ceo said he detected nothing abnormal during the initial moment of the flight. listen. >> i will tell you from my eyes and my tears, i detected nothing that appeared abnormal. i will tell you that i knew when other things weren't happening, it wasn't because of something did happen.

it w it was what i was not hearing and not seeing. so if there was a huge explosion, it didn't occur, i didn't see it. >> so kitty, what does that tell you, and james said that his people may have made mistakes. what is your view of that? >> well, again, i think we can speculate, but i think it's not appropriate at this point. we want to look at, and the investigators will look at everything. they will look at what the pilots did. i assume there were some kind of recorders on this aircraft. they will look at all the mechanics. will look at maintenance. they will look at the new engine. they will look at the fuel source. they will examine everything and it's putting together the pieces of a puzzle and in the end, they will come up with the whole picture and be able to tell us exactly what happened and why. >> are there black boxes on these? will they be able to tell us

something if there's a black box? >> i assume that there are, but i don't know that for certain. >> james, do you know? >> i don't know. it is commercial, and so i presume there are recorders. because the craft came down in pieces and did not burn, a lot of the instruments on board will be readable. so there will be data from that as well. i was there ten years ago when the first version of this took off. i was there twice for some of these launches. went straight up into the air after it was air-dropped. it's exciting technology, and it's going to make more space access to more different applications. this kind of setback is something that you shouldn't tolerate because it's not just one of these things. it's something that you fight every time. you can suppress the chance of it happening. unfortunately, as you know, even in the shuttle program with all the government money behind it,

twice they lost shuttle crews. that was because people made bad management decisions. not because it was an act of god, or out of the blue. it was based on bad decisions. it's probably the same thing here. the question is what decision, what hardware, how long does it take to fix? >> you said there's a lot of setbacks. i just want to follow that up because there's a lot of people interested in traveling into space. the whole idea, richard branson was cultivating this. how big a setback will this be, james? >> well, this is definitely a setback. just because the vehicle is gone, they're building other vehicles. they have a giant hanger there, which they're producing, both these carrier aircraft and the spaceship two models. they intend to build half a dozen and use some themselves in new mexico, and sell others to foreign users. so it's supposed to be a new transportation system.

this will definitely delay that. there are other companies. there's one called blue origin, that's also under much greater secrecy, working on the same kind of capability, and there's a small group called excore, that will fly not quite as high, and with only one passenger, but they have flights scheduled in the next year or two. and other players as well. we'll see this kind of technology developed. it's just sad to see the high cost of it as is exacted today. >> if i could -- >> go ahead. >> as to the investigation, it's important to remember that there were two crew members on board. one was a fatality. but one did survive. i believe it was the pilot. and hopefully his injuries will allow him -- will not be so severe that he can be interviewed. what he has to say about this will be extremely important because he was there when it happened, and he can tell us as

a first-hand source of what he understood to have happened that went wrong. and every accident we learn from. and that's why our aviation system is as safe as it is, because improvements are made after every major accident to deal with the problems identified and this will be true here as well perform. >> katie, what are the questions that you still have, what will solve this and what kind of time frame to do you think we're looking at? >> it will take a while. the ntsb will be arriving tomorrow. they say it takes up to a year for them to complete their work, because of interviewing -- the work that goes into any one of these investigations. i don't think we should be looking for quick answers. if there are things they find right away that they can point out and can be fixed, that will happen. but i don't think we should assume that it's going to be -- that it's going to be resolved

in a week, or month, or even six months. >> the saddest part about learning from accidents, as katie mentioned, at least in the nasa area, things that nasa learned from the columbia and challenger disasters were unfortunately, things that nasa had already learned, had already knew, and just some people forgot. so that may be the main lesson, a cultural issue, not just an issue of tricks or technology. you learn things, and don't forget them. the biggest thing you learn, if you forget, you got to pay again. and the tuition for these kind of lessons is not just money and metal, it's also blood. >> richard branson, the one who is the innovator of this and has brought this fantasy of going into space more a reality. is this going to happen? are we going to see the time

where we can develop -- where people -- average, non-astronauts can go into space? >> i think we can. and that's a good point to make. a lot of times people look at the high cost and they think that they'll never go down. but the kind of things that people do now, whether it be scuba diving or skydiving, many activities that we do that are high technology activities, were originally prohibitively expensive, until it began being done by the government and, let's face it, by rich people with too much money. they pioneered it. and made the great sacrifices in flying it. so i think we'll see the same sort of development. it's not going to be stopped by this one accident. because there are other companies doing other vehicles to perform much the same function. >> i'm going to have to leave it there, james and katie, thank you both for your time tonight.

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order, restricting her movement. today's order does require hickox to submit to daily monitoring. but she's free to go where she wants. the judge said hickox currently does not show symptoms of ebola and is therefore not infectious. but also cautioned that hickox need, quote, to demonstrate her full understanding of human nature and the real fear that exists. she should guide herself accordingly. today hickox praised the ruling, but said she is sensitive to people's fears. >> i am very satisfied with the decision. i don't want to make anyone uncomfortable. i'm a nurse and a public health worker. i don't want to make people uncomfortable. [ inaudible question ] >> this is a good question. i am taking things minute by minute. >> maine's governor called the ruling unfortunate.

joining me now is dr. devey of the nyu school of medicine. dr. devey, first of all, thank you for being here. >> nice to see you, reverend. >> what's your response to the ruling? >> the judge is right, she's not infectious. you can only catch ebola from someone who is actively having symptoms. when they're having symptoms, you have to comin contact with their bodily fluids and they have to get into your bodily fluids, so that part is right. but i don't think it addresses what sparked the controversy in the first place. which is dr. spencer's case. so that was here in new york city where the doctor developed symptoms in his apartment, which is okay, people are safe. but it made you wonder if he developed symptoms or somebody else developed symptoms in the subway, what would we do then? because so many people would be in close contact. so i think that's what sparked this quarantine controversy, that people aren't sure -- >> she drew a distinction between urban and rural. is there credibility to that

point? >> i think so. i think so, because if you're living in a rural area and walking on a bike path or going for a bike ride like she did earlier, then the thing is, there aren't necessarily people right around you. so if they see you, she had a whole procession of reporters and photographers. if they see you, they can move out of the way. she has as much right to that area as somebody else. whereas in a major metropolitan area like new york city, your actions might affect somebody else, because it's hard to keep a distance from people if you go out. but still, it's still very difficult to catch ebola. i don't want people to worry. >> but the reality is, there's a lot of fear, dr. devi. a recent poll this week asked people what should happen to u.s. citizens returning from west africa. 80% said they should be quarantined. i mean, how do we balance the need to calm the public's fears with the rights of the individual who may face quarantine? >> it's a difficult question. i agree with you that i think we have to balance the two and look

at maybe a voluntary in-home quarantine. i think people would volunteer to do this if they were compensated appropriately. for some people, that might mean money. they can't work during that time. for some people, they're already risking their lives, giving up their time to save lives. so for them, maybe it's not about money. maybe we could give food or supplies to the relief organization above and beyond what we're doing right now. but i think you have to support the folks coming back from west africa. we don't want the situation to be different depending on which airport you fly into it. we don't want to make people lie and feel stigmatized. so that's a big issue. >> all right, thanks so much for your time tonight. have a good weekend. >> you too. coming up, breaking news from the white house. minutes ago, president obama handing out candy to military families trick-or-treating. a lot of great costumes there,

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developing news in northeastern pennsylvania, where tonight halloween is back on, with kids free to trick-or-treat safely. this after the capture of accused police killer eric frein on the run for 48 days. he was found in an abandoned airplane hangar yesterday. this morning, frein was arraigned in court, charged with nine counts, including murder in

the first degree. he's accused of ambushing state police officers, killing corporal brian dickerson -- dixon, and seriously injuring trooper alex douglas. prosecutors say they will seek the death penalty. today, police talked about how they located frein. >> this was not a result of a tip or a sighting. this was a result of the ongoing pressure put on frein by law enforcement. and so we continued the grid searches, the woodland searches, the house-to-house, cabin-to-cabin searches, and as a result of that, one of the u.s. marshalls located him on a sweep through the woods they were conducting. >> officials say they're still investigating and are declining to talk about frein's possible motive. joining me now is sam rabady, special agent in charge in the philadelphia field division of

the atf, brought in as part of the team conducting the search for frein. thank you for being here, agent rabady. >> thank you, al. >> your thoughts tonight now that eric frein has been captured and charged? your thoughts? >> well, it's very gratifying on the part of law enforcement to be able to bring some sense of closure to the families of trooper dixon and trooper douglass, as well as bringing that sense of closure to the community as a whole. >> now, today police talked about how frein survived for the last 48 days. listen. >> he was able to get into cabins, into other unoccupied structures, find food. in other cases, he had things hidden, but he was able to get shelter and get in out of the weather, much as we had

suspected was occurring. >> now, is it possible that anyone was assisting frein? >> well, we're currently looking at a number of things, post arrest here, in the course of our investigation, to include if anyone out there actually assisted him during this 48-day manhunt. we're going to look at the evidence that was recovered, both from the arrest yesterday, as well as prior evidence that was recovered during the course of this case. we'll be looking at all different elements of this investigation. >> now, there are reports that frein is talking to police, talking a lot to police. is there anything you can share with us that is coming from frein, of his motives, or what he's saying to police? >> unfortunately, i can't get into the specifics of the --

some of the interview that occurred with mr. frein, but i can tell you, with all of the law enforcement investigators involved in this, we are extremely confident we have our man. everything from the evidence that was recovered from the circumstances of the arrest, are very consistent with mr. frein being involved in this alleged crime. >> all right, atf special agent sam rabady, thanks so much for your time tonight. have a good weekend. >> thank you, you too. still ahead, the real horror show this halloween. what the republicans plan to do if they control both houses of congress. also, would you want to run into a guy dressed up as an isis terrorist at your halloween party tonight? and trick-or-treaters at the white house. "conversation nation" is ahead.

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and ghosts oh, my! [ screaming ] >> but this year, we're seeing something even spookier. i'm of course talking about the republicans trying to get into the u.s. senate. you've got candidates who made it harder for people to vote, a republican who backed a measure that could outlaw birth control, one who's even talked about using a gun to defend herself from the government. talk about a fright. but you know what's even scarier? what these folks would do if they got control of the senate. they'd try to rip apart the affordable care act, block everything the president proposes, go after women's rights, maybe force another government shutdown, and even impeach the president. [ spooky laughter ]

>> but i've got some good news. let's turn the lights back on. we still got four days until election day, and there's one simple way we can avoid all these scary outcomes, the president's talked about it before, so even though it's halloween, don't just say boo, vote. >> don't boo by the way, i want you to vote. >> don't boo now, what i want you to do is vote. >> now, don't boo. vote. [ cheers and applause ] >> boo! i'm just kidding. and if all the democratic voters get out there the day after election day won't be scary at all. joining me now are the chairman, former pennsylvania governor and dnc chairman ed rendell, and former rnc chairman, michael

steele. thank you both for being here. michael, i hope we didn't scare you off with that introduction. >> oh, man, i got a little nervous. >> governor, let me go to you first. we're four days away from the election. how scary is it out there? >> well, it's hard to pin this down. some of the polls have been running towards republican candidates. some of the polls, like the one in new hampshire, has been running towards democratic candidates. so it's hard to pin down. but the early voting patterns have some potential good news in there for democrats. a high percentage of the people who are voting early didn't vote in 2010, when there was the biggest democratic drop-off from the presidential to a midterm election. so that means that there are voters who are getting out there who are not midterm voters who are voting this time. i think all of the time, it may not be quite as enthusiastic as some of the republican base, but

i think they're going to surprise people, and i think they're going to vote. and if they do, as you said in your intro, good news for us. >> you know, michael, let's talk about that a minute. because this race is still really tight. but we're seeing positive signs for democrats. the "new york times" looked at early voting in georgia, north carolina, colorado and iowa. 3 million people of them have voted and 20% of them didn't vote in 2010. could this be a sign that more democrats will vote than expected, michael? >> i think there's some possibility, real possibility for that, reverend. my only question about that number, whether it's the 20%, or whatever the number is, is, yeah, they didn't vote in 2010, but are we assuming they're democrat voters. have we identified them as such? and are we assuming that the democratic voters haven't gotten so frustrated with the process that they're coming out to vote for republicans? so i think there's good news in

numbers like that, but i think you should be cautious in assuming too much. >> this headline really caught my eye, governor. there's a civil war news for the gop. it says conservatives are salivating over the prospects of a huge victory on november 4, but there will be huge clashes if they win. there's a lot of disagreements with conservatives and the moderate members of their party. what's your reaction to that, governor? >> you can make a case, ref, that the democrats chances for 2016 will be enhanced if the republicans take the senate. because they'll have to walk a fine line, particularly leadership, as senator mcconnell and representative bader. do they let the whacky ideas, and you outlined some of them in your intro, like banning birth control. do they let that go to a vote with the possibility that that carries and then it's hung around theirk the 2016

presidential? do they let some of those ideas that are emanating from the tea party be voted on? that could be disastrous to their chances in 2016. on the other hand, if they don't let them go to a vote, will they face a tea party revolt? so for all those republicans who are salivating about getting the senate back, there's the old saying, be careful what you wish for. >> michael, you chaired the party and you're a senior leader in the party. will there be a civil war? will you win and then snatch defeat out of the jaws of victory? >> i think there's a real possibility of that. you're hearing republicans of a variety of stripes begin articulating exactly what the governor just said, exactly what you just laid out there. that walking this tight rope is going to be important. the leadership is in a very precarious situation, particularly in the house, if they're looking to see somewhere between 12 to 20 additional

republican seats picked up there. that balance between the house and the senate is going to be a delicate one, as you deal with should of these big issues. there's going to be an immediate push to repeal obamacare, whether mcconnell wants to do that dance right out of the box, he's already indicated he doesn't. he thinks there should be a different approach. that's stirred some ire amongst conservatives. so there are some danger points here if the party doesn't hunker down and get its act together. >> you presided over the party in 2010 and you won a huge number of seats, a huge number in the house. not that you were rewarded for it, but that's another time. what's your gut? what are you feeling out there? >> i think that the momentum towards the senate is real. and i agree with the governor that it's unsure exactly where

it breaks. you still have louisiana and georgia, for example, that will go to a run-off. which could make it interesting. kansas is still a question in some polls. so i think the momentum is there, but there are some break fronts that democrats still have. the house is secure. i think what they're looking at in the house is building on the numbers that we developed in 2010. we've added 63 house seats at the time. they're looking at adding 12-plus potentially this time. so the house is going to be secure. and that really is going to weight the balance a little bit different between the two chambers come 2015. >> governor, no one knows politics better than you. what do democrats need to do for turn-out this week, these last four days? because this may come down to just turn-out in some of these states. >> well, we've got to energize the base. if we energize the base. take pennsylvania, for example, 1.1 million more registered democrats than republicans. if we turn out in equal numbers

to the republicans, we'll have a landslide in the governor's election, and we may pick up some seats in the congress and even some seats in the state legislature. so we have to generate the base. but rev, i predict kansas and georgia are going to be the two key states. i think mirl nunn can win in georgia and the independent can win in kansas. if that's the case, the republicans need to win eight seats currently held by democrats. i think that's too much for them to do. so i'm not sure we're ready to run up the white flag on the senate. but everyone out there listening, and if you're a democrat and you care about this, get out to vote and bring three or four friends to the polls. >> i'm going to have to leave it there. >> can i make a pitch for republicans to get out and bring their friends to the polls too? >> sure. you can. >> i think all americans need to vote come tuesday, regardless of your party. get off your tail and go vote. >> i agree with that. and they should vote for people

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we're back with a halloween edition of "conversation nation." joining us tonight, huffpost live post alana men kof ski. democratic analyst mark hannah, and founder of media make change, tara connelly. thank you all for being here tonight. >> thank you, rev. >> happy halloween. >> now, on this halloween, we already are seeing some truly controversial costumes, causing backlash. and it has people asking, how far is too far? there's the ebola hazmat guy, where the company says it will literally be the most viral costume of the year. then there's the sexy ebola nurse. weave seen a few ray rice

costumes. a ray rice costume complete with blowup dolls and black eyes. but now this, apparently dressing up as isis for halloween is a trend. buzz feed compiled these photos have social media. and i have to say, it's really disturbing, alana. how far is too far? >> i certainly thing these are insensitive, especially for the families of james foley and steven sotloff, because isis is out there beheading people, right? but if there is one positive that maybe you could find from this, it means that maybe people aren't being terrified of terrorism the way that we're told here. we weren't thinking of it as this threat that is absolutely going to end our lives. and they're laughing -- >> i don't know if people not being terrified of beheadings is a good thing. >> it's not the biggest threat that we face. >> i agree with you, rev.

isis has become so abstract, almost this entertainment. we don't realize that these are concrete threats. these guys aren't going to win points for good taste and originality with their costumes. if thanksgiving and christmas bring out our gratitude and generosity, halloween can bring out some bad demons, and not necessarily the best time to shine. >> the reason we're talking about this is, i think, because of social media. we have access to seeing all these sorts of people with their costumes. and before, we didn't really have access to this much. so now there's so much people talking about the way people are dressing in certain provocative ways, sexism, racism is all over the place. so i think it's important to have these conversations, because it's serious. >> and they're all on instagram. people are broadcasting to the whole world the tasteless costumes they're putting out there. they don't realize it could

backfire and show up on national tfr. >> and people will judge them and shame them, but isis distributes their propaganda via the internet and youtube, and maybe this is showing that people aren't giving into it. >> let's change gears. i don't want to be a halloween party poopers. we have some costumes that are making us smile. first, we had baby rand paul. the senator tweeted this out today. then there's ruth "baby" beginsburg. but i'm going with this one, this is the chuck todd baby, complete with goatee. alana, can you top that? >> i'm missing some facial hair. i like that one. that's the winner for me. >> imitation is the highest form of flattery. maybe halloween costumes are the highest form. i'm jealous of chuck todd now. >> we're missing one.

we're missing a revereverend al. >> they don't have my new slim look. you know, kansas mom versus the kardashians. the mom is trying to ban the kardashian kids clothing line from babies r us, saying, quote, i don't want my child to grow up to be a sex-tape star. thousands agree with her. tara, what do you think? is this getting out of control now? >> i'm surprised it took the kardashians this long to come out with a baby line. that's my only shock at this point. the kardashians, you know, they're in it for the money. they want to make money. they want to do what they want to do. we live in a capitalist society. but the good thing is people are coming out, when they realize they don't want to buy a product, don't buy it. it's a free market. >> i think there are more important things to be concerned with signing petitions about. but getting back to good taste and babies wearing

kardashian-styled outfits. good for these parents for starting -- >> are they stylish? >> there was one article of clothing this mother took issue with, it was a leather little skirt. the rest of the stuff, i got to say, is pretty cute. you have the purchasing power, as a consumer. just don't buy it. rather than waste your time coming up with a boycott for a kardashian baby line, channel your energy into something better. >> now to michael jordan taking on the president. i've got to deal with this. jordan is an avid golfer who recently asked who his dream foursome would be. >> if you had to pick a foursome to play with. >> any people, all people, right? >> all people. ♪ >> never played with obama, but i would. that's okay, i take him out. he's a hack. be all day playing with him.

>> do you really want to say that about the president of the united states? >> i never said he wasn't a great politician, but he's a [ bleep ] golfer. >> be all day playing with him. >> i don't know. i'm glad he didn't at least dishis basketball game and he stuck to golf. because that takes some serious confidence to kind of nag on the president like that. i don't know. >> the president's got a good sense of humor, and i'm sure he's thinking about the more important things than what michael jordan has to say. michael jordan is one of the greatest athletes of all time. >> and he's very competitive. >> yes. i don't think it's disrespectful in the sense that he was talking around and playing a bit. >> but forget disrespectful, alana, do you think the presidenting love it? >> i do think the president has a good sense of humor. it's not like michael jordan is judging the president's moral character. because he wouldn't be the best

person to do something like that. [ laughter ] >> tiger woods -- >> does the obama defense come out of you? say boom boom here. >> no. there's plenty to critique on either side. but michael jordan when it comes to sports, probably he can talk a little smack. >> tiger woods, to be fair, said that the president can putt, he can chip. he's a good golfer. and i give mere credence to tiger woods than michael jordan when it comes to the golf game. >> they used to complain about clinton's game too. >> what kind of game? >> golf game. >> oh, yes, the golf game. [ laughter ] >> it's halloween, y'all are acting devilish. >> if the president was too good at golf, people would criticize him for having too much time to play. >> that would be the new republican slogan for the weekend. >> exactly. >> lana, tara, and mark, thank you for being here tonight. have a great weekend and happy halloween. we'll be right back. so now we've turned her toffee into a business.

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back, they continue to urge peace. >> be peaceful with your protesting, keep supporting us, and keep praying for us. and we going to get the justice that we waiting on. >> we will only accomplish justice if we are peaceful every step of the way, and focused on the goal of justice. from the beginning, people in this community have demanded a fair and transparent investigation. that's why we've called for a federal investigation from the start. i also pushed for a federal civil rights investigation into the death of trayvon martin, and now more than two years after trayvon's shooting, we've learned that a federal grand jury will meet next week in a civil rights case involving george zimmerman. when i heard about this grand jury convening next week on zimmerman, i thought about how long it has been. some cases take little time.

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