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tv   Lockup Raw  MSNBC  November 8, 2014 2:00am-2:31am PST

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. >> most of the prisons we profile on "lockup" are maximum security prisons. these are hard kohr place, gang rapist, murderers. sometimes you run into the guy next door the neighbor, we ask the question, how dhid guy end
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up here? >> this is california state prison corcoran, a maximum security prison that has housed some of the nation's most infamous criminals, including charles manson and the founder of the mexican mafia. despite its reputation, violence doesn't come naturally to everyone at corcoran. >> i don't see myself as being like many of the people that are here. but what i saw the longer i was ear, was that there really is a thin line between them and me. >> before he was an inmate, stefan paro was a librarian. >> i'm here, basically, because i'm an alcoholic and i got a lot of drug. drugs, too, are a part of my story. >> his drug use resulted in a six-year sentence for crimes including burglary. >> at that time i had been married, not very long. my wife was pregnant and the
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fact that i couldn't stop drinking and i couldn't stop using, it was very difficult to deal with the shame and the gym of all that. >> he and his wife eventually separated, but he landed in prison for breaking into her home and stealing her credit card to pay for drugs. >> i readily admitted to it. that was the problem, i said, yeah, i stole those yesterday it card the reason i took the credit cards is wisely enough, my wife cancelled mine. >> stefan paro was a very relatable guy to us filming "lockup." he was a well educated man and he expressed himself so eloquently and so succinctly. i think he was a cautionary tale because his crimes were committed because of substance abuse him we know people that have similar issue, but there was stefan trying to first half gait through an extremely
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violent world. >> i had an idea that i would never end up if prison. i was somehow exempt. i'm not saying i was an exemplary person but i had no idea it could get this far and that's what i -- >> in the middle of interviewing stefan, the alarm went off and the protocol at the prison is all inmates have to get down on tear stomachs and all staff and other personnel we main standing. >> false alarm him it was a little sad, actually, watching stefan on the ground because we were in the midst of this great conversation and he started to think of himself as a regular guy back out on the street, suddenly, it was very clear, no, he's an inmate and he has to get down oak like all the other
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inmates, get dirty until he is told he can get back up. >> get up. go ahead. >> lounge did it take you to get used to doing that? >> well, when i was in james town, i had a lot of practice. the yard goes down a lot. why dhauz happen for guys in. >> so i made a little joke with him because i could feel his embarrassment, i wanted to try to lighten it up a bit. >> i can't say that i did. all right. that was a lot of fun. where was i? >> he went on to tell us that in order to survive in corcoran, he had to understand corcoran. >> you know, at the beginning when i ways facing the 41 month, how in the heck am i going to make it? i didn't see myself as being a part of this community.
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it is a community no matter how dysfunctional it is how bizarre and assenine and ridiculous and stupid. because it is very stupid. there is a lot of rules their are enforced by inmates. >> many of those inmate enforced rules are around politics. >> they ask me who i run with, well, i run with teachers and librarians usually and when i find them, i'm run with them. they had an answer. i haven't found too many of them yet. >> he must also deal with racial politics in his prison job as a housing clerk. >> this is the office, i got a message that you had called over here. >> usually i come in the morning see who was pa rolled, if there are rollups, there are beds opened. >> i have 149 up, 252 up. those will opened since
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yesterday. >> i look at those and see i got wings and i place them. it's a bit of a puzzle because we have to house according to tear ethnicity, gang affiliation and medical needs. >> stefan had a job that afforded him a certain amount of information on the various inmates on the yesterday. so he had to walk a tight rope between doing his job correctly and appeaseing the various inmate groups on the yard, particularly the white group. >> naturally, your own people have expectations of you that are greater than somebody else on the yard, different races. so if you have information, you do go to your people first. the clerks in the past i know have had a lot of run-ins and been boat up for things they've done, for things they've not done, for things they've said. my boss asks me all the time,
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three, four times a week, kind of jokingly, hey, i see you didn't get boat up today. i say to him, you know that really isn't that funny. but i said the other day, you know that upsets me when you say that, because it could happen. >> thank you. >> but he has seen his share of violence at corcoran. when he arrived, he was determine to avoid trouble, but he was told by other inmates that he would eventually be test and if he didn't fight back, his time here would be a lot worse. >> so i not. and that was pretty many up the first fight i have ever been in my life. i couldn't walk well for three or four week. i had black eyes six weeks. i thought it was hell and it was. you eventually just start living, you start doing all these activities. you wash your clothes, you make
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the ritual of having coffee, just like you did out there. you don't have the option to go to starbucks him you get folger's out of a can teen and you make whatever you can make. i think one of the interesting things that i kind of woke up to was that's what life was, here you elsewhere, so you better get something out of it. so if i can enjoy making coffee here in corcoran surrounded by a lot of loud people and a lot of other discomfort then i'm going to come out better when i get out there. if i live through this and i have a son, so i better live through this i got to do something. no matter how difficult it is, you reap down and you find metal that you didn't know you had. that's what prison is really, it's finding strength you never thought you had.
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coming up. >> i went up to the barn and splash. it fell on my arm, got all over my stomach. it burned my back, too. >> a sex offender learns that one personality trait can lead to big trouble. >> one of the common issues i had was talking a lot. excessive talking, going on and on a lot of times.
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. >> in policech, nicknames are as much a part of the culture as much as the food ortant sizing about life outside. when we find out his nickname, it's a part of our routine. >> i need the first or part of his name. >> douglas willow.
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>> what is your nickname in. >> my nick maim, bo so, bozo the cloud. >> why? >> i don't know, alex head i had no hair. >> he said he one time worked in the circus, which is his favorite job. the wild laugh he had, out of nowhere, you'd hear him, ha, ha, ha. >> ha, ha, ha. >> other than his hair line, he had little in common with his namesake and his crime was no laughing matter. when we met him, he was in his 13th year of a 65-year sentence for rape and criminal -- we saw the stars. it was evident that his status as a sex offender had made his time in prison anything but a circus. >> i was burned with hot water out of a hot pot with baby oil
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and hair -- it got all over my arm, got on my stomach. it burned my stomach. it burned by back. i healed up pretty good. but that's a permanent scar. >> widlow claims he did not know who attacked him. he offered multiple possibilities for why it happened. >> he changed his story about what happened and why he was attacked. at one point he told us he was dvd defending a nurse who was the actual intended victim of the attack. >> someone threatened the nurse. i said, throw it on me. >> another time he told us it was just an accident that had occurred and at one point he even admitted that somebody purposely tried to hurt him. >> i walked up to the bars, i thought someone said bozo, because that's what the guys call me. i went up to the bars and splash, it burnt my arm off.
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i didn't see the person who did it because there was too many. there was a lot of prisoners out. so i didn't see who it was and i'm not the type that would at that time tale on somebody anyway. >> heing a nojd what might be his biggest problem. >> i have a problem of talking excessively. going on and on at times. >> he was a sex offender that constantly talked about his crime and even his current behavior, which was disturbing. he talked about it to anybody that would listen and this provoked the other inmates, in effect, to attack him. >> what did you feel? i know it's a stupid question. what did you feel? >> it was very painful. there was a lot of pain. but it was nothing like the pane i went through for a fresh charge for the last 13 years. >> whitlow was also insisting he
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was not a rapist, just an exhibitionist. at times, tow, he seemed unsure, himself. >> oh, me, i don't know o'was charged i they long time ago, three or four of this same thing. so i looked leak i had him like i was trying to stop him and then i raped this female. that, know, i did not. so, i learned my lesson to respect women, don't be doing that. i know i couldn't be that way with somebody unless we were married. >> he had recent write ups for exposing himself, not to people he was married torment to prisoners. >> they gave up for me, i got to do 50 years for a rape charge i didn't do. okay, i was very mad about that with anybody. >> he tended to blame other people for his problems. the fact of the matter was he was exposing himself to nurses and people. then he would talk about i. which in a way, it's an affront
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to most inmates. >> the exposures, i know for a fact that were forced upon me to be nooud in rtu and my clothes were stolen and the problems started to be fixed and it was continuing to be corrected. >> we would try to conduct an interview and he would keep going and the person that in which he spoke t. way he conducted himself, it was just draining, it was absolutely draining. it was hard to keep him focused. >> you see there is no sheet. i got one blanket and i don't have any clothes, but that is not something i'm worried about because the more, his lord said, we don't got to worry about clothes, he'll worry about that for you. i'm do the best i can. that's what i will do. i wouldn't disrespect you. >> coming up. >> i was arrested down in my
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jail. >> an ex-cop lands if one of america's toughest prisons. >> i'm the old school. it's very difficult. very, very difficult.
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. >> coming to prison can be culture shock for almost anyone, when we met him, he was recovering from a shoulder surgery, but that didn't help ease the pain of being here after a 26-year career in law enforcement. >> narcotics division, detective bureau, personal training in the jails. then i was promoted to leiutenant in 1984. after retiring, he and a group of friend started a charitable foundation. they raised over $3 million in
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donations. then questions arose over where the money actually went. >> the judge said all the money raised was fraud. we gave away money to little league, hospitals, christmas drives, thanksgiving, easter basket drives. now it's all fraud point. so because it's all fraud the $3.5 million is income. by the by a, uh-oh us tax on that. >> after donateing $7,000, he was sentenced to almost 18 years if prison for fraud an embezzlement. >> it's one of those things in the beginning it seems surreal. as you go through it, you start to devise ways to cope or go crazy. you know, i mean, it's no secret. i'm not ray shamed to say i started killing myself. i didn't know if i can get through this.
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i was arrested. they took me down to my jail. where i worked. i got guys that were working for me, putting handcuffs on me. they felt terrible. i mean, i had one guy tell me it's like putting handcuffs on my brother. >> the jury that convicted him believed he used the millions of dollars he raised but to live a life of luxury, purchasingouss, boats and sports cars. it's a very different lifestyle. >> you have four balls at night, a cement floor, no paint t. stainless steel toilet. you have to use a restroom where you often have to eat. there's two people most of the time in here. you can imagine, you have to go to the restroom, it's just everything is so. i wasn't brought up that way. i'm from the old school and it's very difficult. it's very, very difficult not annual was he former law enforcement.
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he still carriedments as a colorado here he was incarcerated in a pretty hard core prison. i can see he hasn't come to terms with the fact. he was a law enforcement. now he's an inmate. he still obviously struggled with that fact. he was lucky he was put in a protective custody unit. otherwise, he'd be in grave dange danger. >> i wouldn't last five minutes on the main line. >> why? >> they don't like comes or excops. >> he says if nothing else, his experience here has helped him see the people he used to arrest in the moonlight. >> i have been dealing with these people for many, many years. you know, there's a lot of them that aren't, i mean, there is a perception, unfortunately, by the majority of our society that everybody in prison is a bad
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person. that's not the case. i see these youngsters, 21, 22-years-old facing life sentences because of a stupid mistake. i mean you wonder how is this 22-year-old kid going to be 65, 75 years. this is it. there is no more than this you can't focus like that guy. >> i got it on the sling. it gets too stiff if i leave it in there all the time. >> for all these years, for 26 years in law enforcement. i got a good friend of mine that's a retired captain him i tell him, you know, it's like that whole point in my life has been for not. it took my retirement badge,py retirement i.d. card. you know, i used to win gold medals. those are gone. it just gutles you is what it
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does. it just guts you. and you try and you know hold that in as best you can. there are times it oozes out. you are looking for new bandage. everything was great. you know i was happy. >> during our brophy time with our man, state prison records only listed his current fraud and embezzlement convicts. later, we discovered this was not the first time he was incarcerated. prior to his fraud trial, he was also convicted of molesting two teen-aged female relatives. he received a year in county jail, five years probation a. surprising sentence, prosecutors asked 15 years to life
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