uniform. once again, happy veteran's day. especially my dad in baltimore, maryland. happy veteran's day, dad. that does it for "way too "way early." "morning joe" starts right now. ♪ bob schieffer is the kind of guy who knows how to take care of business. he interviewed president obama sunday morning yesterday morning, didn't beat around the bush, didn't waste any time. went right to it. >> this is "face the nation." >> all the presidents in modern history who have been successful, lbj, fdr, ronald reagan, teddy roosevelt, bill clinton they all seem to have a zest for politics. i don't have a sense that you have the same feeling they did. it makes me -- do you like politicians? do you like politics? >> no.

>> thank you, mr. president. >> thank you. i enjoyed it. all right then. good morning it is tuesday, november 11th, veterans day. welcome to "morning joe." with us on the set we have mike barnacle and msnbc political analyst and visiting professor at nyu, former democratic congressman harold ford jr. and willie and me. we'll get right to the arctic outbreak early. it came early this year. the question is how long will this last. this morning more than 100 schools one minnesota are closed. more than 200 flights have been cancelled after a storm dropped up to a foot of snow. what's the date? there are frigid temperatures moving down from canada and when it's all said and done more than 200 million people will be feeling the freeze. nbc meteorologist bill karins is tracking it. bill? >> st. cloud, minnesota. most snow they've seen in any

given day, 13 inches of snow. first snow of the season. some areas got nailed by the snow. we're tracking the cold. a little bit of snow left heading up towards wisconsin. des moines a little bit of snow surprise this morning four. green bay and milwaukee not snowing, still warm but that cold air is on its way. this is the story today as the arctic blast makes its way to dallas, chicago, st. louis, indianapolis this afternoon. here's the current wind chill. this is a map if i had to guess what month it was based on this map i would say december or january. rapid city at minus 14. amarillo, texas has a wind chill of 5 this morning. notice chicago and st. louis. that cold air is heading to you next. here's your veterans day forecast. east coast, you're just fine. you have two more days of warmth before the cold makes it across the country. watch the temperatures just plunge. by the time we get to thursday, that's when the cold will make its way all the way to the east

coast, boston, new york and d.c. thursday afternoon is when the cold air makes it here. not as bad as a central plains. snow is now on the ground, no sign of any warmth, in store for a very long november. >> okay. thank you, barns barns. >> you're welcome. to foreign policy. there's a new measure to the threat posed by isis militants, the reach of the terror group now expands into egypt. the country's most violent extremist group is pledging loyalty to the islamic state. fires have killed scores of egyptian troops and may have informant inside the military. it's another example of diminishing hope for democratic reforms following the arab spring. a memo obtained by the nbc news the islamic state has plans to

join with militants in pakistan. the spiraling violence can be traced back to iraq and syria. and the heart of the insurgency. richard engel enter kobani and here's his report. >> reporter: for two bosco ha m kobani has been fighting for its life. we managed to get inside and found a city devastated but refusing to surrender. these kurdish fighters, women and men are outgunned and outnumbered. this 34-year-old woman is a top field commander. her name means strength. now we run she says. sheets hung across intersections cloak our movements from enemy snipers. you stay low and run fast. the enemy is just 20 yards away.

>> she says when they come the isis fighters come in waves not just one or two but 40, 50 fighters will come and try to swarm into the building. >> reporter: to keep them back the kurds of kobani mostly have light weapons and grenades. half of kobani has fallen toy isis. its defenders are trying to claw it back. kobani has been paying a heavy price for its resistance. this is what's left of main street. there are no people here. if i took two steps in that trex there's a danger of being shot by a sniper. the kurds are back by u.s. air strikes. these are the men and women on the ground facing an enemy known for its savagery. everyone here carries a weapon of last resort. they will commit suicide rather than be captured by isis. >> that was richard engel reporting. >> that's happening willie not only in syria and iraq, now the

news this morning really bad. it continues. now focused on egypt. focused on pakistan, two of the most important countries in the world, certainly in the muslim world. and the united states, whether they like it or not, is going to have to get involved. and stop the spread of this. >> i think we're going to see a renewed focus on these foreign entanglemens. everybody was wrapped up in the med terms for a month or so. now you open the paper and say wait a minute how has the progress been. it's been 90 days or more. are we doing enough, too little? this debate heats up again. as you say despite our best efforts more problems are flaring up through the region. >> the president loves leading from behind. you can lead from behind on this any more. you're hearing admirals talking about -- retired admirals talking about what their sense is. you're hearing commanders

complaining about it. the president likes to go halfway in, a little bit at a time, just sort of back into things. it's just not going to work here. i don't think it's going to work here. >> when you combine it with the fact you have a new armed services committee chair in the sense of john mccain. lindsey graham will be empowered. if you said that this president eight months ago mr. president you would be on the verge of deploying several thousand troops to a region in which you promised to end conflict he would find that laughable. it causes more balanced approach. you can't pull all the way out or stay all the way in. it takes a different kind of approach. the president will be prodded by this new republican senate to do things he wasn't inclineded to do but forced to do. >> history will show george w. bush went too far. too excessive. too prepared to use force. barack obama and overcorrect and

we're paying a terrible price for it. if he does not change, if he does not do what every other president does, what bill clinton did, what fdr did, what ronald reagan did, what george w. bush did and learn from his past mistakes, if he stays isolated in a bubble, there will be a tremendous price for america to pay and i'm not saying to go invade the middle east. i'm saying to get out of your defensive crouch and get out of your bubble and figure out what's going on and start connecting the dots. it's frightening as hell and if i met one ambassador across the world, if i met one world leader across the world that wasn't scared as hell at how the united states is responding to this threat, i wouldn't be speaking this way because i always assume the president and the president's advisers know a hell a lot more about stuff than those of us who don't get the intel reports.

i am hearing this from around the globe. this is really, really bad. and america's response is scaring the hell out of the world. >> you mentioned history's assessment. history's seesments, the headline will be that george w. bush broke the middle east by invading iraq. that's where it begins. today, where we're at and you have to feel some sense of sympathy for this administration, for the president of the united states because clearly the underpinning of what's happening here is the complete inability of the iraqi army to defend their own country. anbar province is gone. it is gone. we are over the next several months have to introduce more troops on to the ground. >> anbar province was gone before. george w. bush boroke the middl east. david petraeus, the troops, george w. bush got drugged in

2006 in his second mid-term. they self-corrected and won anbar province back. >> they did, joe. >> and that required george w. bush to do what pissed off a lot of again rals in the pentagon and find a general named david petraeus and work around him, bob woodward documented this and do things -- you know he had to get out of his comfort zone. it's just not enough to say george w. bush broke it and now well gee that gives barack obama a free pass. i'm not saying you're saying that. >> there's no doubt that the surge under bush and general petraeus, the surge worked. but what did it work as? it wasn't a victory. >> it stevof staved off defeat. >> that's right. >> we held anbar province. would we rather hold anbar province or have isis hold anbar province. at some point barack obama and

his people have toed mitt they screwed up by getting out of iraq as quickly as possible. this is what the 2012 election was about. they have to admit he screwed up. he was as ideological about getting out as george bush was ideologically about getting in. >> they should of negotiated much stronger with the iraqi government to maintain a true presence in iraq. >> one other element to point out on veterans day today is 1500 more advisors are going in, u.s. troops going into iraq. it's a political decision from washington. that's 1500 families. again we're going to go through this again and worry whether their husband or daughter or wife is going to come back alive. >> can i ask, harold, i don't want american troops to go back to war. but you got to make some uncomfortable decisions. if you don't want american troops to go to war, then you have to do what has to be done

to have the kurds take care of their own area and that means upsetting turkey and that means upsetting other people in the region. but, you know what? we don't have a lot of option. arm the kurds. they will fight for their land. if we arm them to the teeth and give them all the support they need, our men and women don't have to-die-for somebody else's property they will fight and die as we saw with richard engel for their own property. we won't make any decisive decisions, we sit back and let the waves batter us. >> consistent with your point one of the things the democrats were highly critical of president bush about and vice president cheney is that they were not clear and forceful in asserting why and what interests we had at stake in the region. when it became clear there were no weapons of mass destruction they didn't back track. this president hasn't made clear what our objectives are and what kind of timetable he sees us committing to. it's incumbents upon him

whatever course of action to take to make clear to the country what we're doing and why we're doing and apply that theology and conceptual thinking to how and what we're doing there. >> not invading the middle east. it's not about sending troops back over to the middle east. >> there's a lack of clarity. >> it's about being aggressive and telling turkey tough luck. >> before you explain it to the american people you have to explain it to the president of turkey. the kurds are coming into your country through northern syria. you're not going to prevent them from coming into syria. >> enjoy kurdistan. you haven't done the job. you played footsies with the terrorists for your own reasons. fine. you'll have the kurds on your southern border. we're not going to send our men and women to fight and die because you let terrorists use

istanbul and your terrorist highway to get to isis. it's insanity. we have to make turkey pay. because either they pay or our sons and daughters die over there. >> so one of the issues that will be debated in 2016, running up to the 2016 election and right now two people generating some of the most interest for 2016 are the same two people who have said they are not running. unlike hillary clinton and rand pull laying the framework for presidential campaigns, mitt romney and elizabeth warren push back on white house speculation. that doesn't mean they are not feeling the gravitational pull. "the washington post" reports mitt romney called dozens of candidates after tuesday's mid-terms cementing relationships nationwide. supporters put out a spreadsheet contrasting his mid-term picks and associates and former governors said if jeb bush

doesn't run romney would consider jumping in again. a former campaign staffer for obama signed up for the group ready for warren which is building a base in iowa and new hampshire. >> what do you think of that, mika? >> i don't think it's a big deal but seems to being pushed out there. >> aren't you hearing a lot of democrats saying they just don't -- they used to think hillary was ineactivity scrabble and 2014 has shown hillary is not inevit ampinevitable. from our democratic friends in washington, d.c. they don't think she's inevitable. >> 2014 makes her a stronger candidate largely because she's the perception and mika you raised this before. >> talking about elizabeth

warren? >> hillary clinton. mika has made the point that what is it she stands for and a lot of people to joe's point believes she stands for this clinton model and the clinton engine of how you approach big issues. she will benefit from that but she has to begin to articulate that. she benefitted largely because president obama is seen on the sidelines. she was out there. she has to begin to articulate a message. if she was clumsy like with the launch of the book -- but i don't think inability bubble has been burst. there's a desire to hear her. she doesn't say much she will have a problem. there's a great desire in the party for her to begin to speak up more and be a leader. >> imagine if you are elizabeth warren, you're sitting there, you're a smart person, and you know, you know that you own 100% the biggest issue in the upcoming presidential election

in 2016. you own take home pay. you own the paycheck that workers in this country, republican and democrat take home. you own that issue. >> mike, if you and i were advising her and we're not we should be advising her to run. what would she have to lose. >> mika what does elizabeth warren have to lose if she runs for president? >> i think two things in terms of hillary clinton. there's a lot of room for her to be lame. if you go to a room of 500 people doing a book event, we did a few recently and asked the room are you ready for hillary they raise their room. they just do it. it's automatic. until it's not. but it's still -- these experiences we've had over the years have reflected, you know, with mitt romney we would see the lack of excitement.

which now you see. >> actually it's bizarre. we went around for four years we go on college campuses, go all over and mika always asks people who your excited about. for four years nobody raised their hands about mitt romney from 2009 through 2012. now, you're talking about romney. which is bizarre. okay. wait a second. when you knew he was running you weren't interested and now we go there and mika goes some of the people are interested in mitt romney. and we're stunned how many people raise their hands. >> putin helped. >> putin helped. >> in a huge way. >> by the way did you guys see these pictures. >> awkward. >> what's the deal. why are they wearing pajamas. is that culturally insensitive. >> that is. if you could take it back -- >> that's culturally insensitive

to russians wearing silk pajamas. >> they had a moment on the sideline but didn't discuss issues. they gave their little fist pump hello. >> this is a beautiful place. >> still ahead on this veterans day we have some -- >> that is a snappy outfit. >> really nice. >> sector of the va bob mcdonald -- >> it's like j.j. abrams "star trek." >> plus the ceo and president of the ford motor company mark fields with a big announcement for his company on "morning joe." also ahead who should play edward snowden in the adaptation of his life. we'll tell you what actor has signed up for the role. how this corvette ended up in the delaware river. we'll be right back.

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africa. >> u.s. today fbi says violent crime is on the decline. it dropped 4% since 2012. the drop in violence span categories murder, rape, robbery and aggravated assault. "usa today" so moving lava flow from the hawaiian volcano has engulfed its first home. a fast-moving breakout from the lava flow set the home on fire. as of now it shows little sign of slowing down. >> "the guardian" actor joseph gordon levitt will play edward snowden. the story reportedly being adapted from two books about the controversial former nsa contractor. filming set to begin in munich . >> oliver stone. very subtle. i know there will be a light touch. >> a gentle touch.

>> the "sun sentinel" a florida woman made a full recovery after having no pulse for 45 minutes during a routine c section. doctors and nurses worked frantically to save the woman's life when she flat lined shortly after giving birth. the medical team stopped all life-saving procedures when suddenly the heart monitor began to pick up a heart beat. within hours she was awake and was able to go home a few days later. mother and baby are doing well. >> that's unbelievable. they will study that one for a long time. >> oh, my gosh. >> thank god. >> amazing. fifl "philadelphia inquirer" a jilted husband dumped his wife's

corvette in the delaware river. the man and his wife who are are in the middle of a bitter divorce shared the red corvette. reports indicate he may have dumped the car in an attempt to get back at her. officials are searching for the man. >> that's one way to get your point across. all right. coming up michael bloomberg spent a lot of money on this year's mid-terms and he already has a plan for 2016. plus, senator rand paul calls barack obama's war on isis illegal. we'll tell you why. the must read opinion pages are next.

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♪ live look at washington, d.c. capitol getting a makeover. we'll start for our must read opinion pages, joining us in washington is pulitzer prize winning columnist and msnbc political analyst eugene robinson and at politico headquarters the chief white house correspondent for politico, the great mike allen. let's start with the daily beast. rand paul has a piece and he

writes this. obama's isis war is illegal. conservatives can't simply be angry at the president's lawlessness when they disagree with his policies. they should end their conspy can youous silence about the president's usurpation of congress' sole authority to declare war even if they support going after isis as i do. this is important. it matters how we go after isis. it should include this current battle in the middle east taking military action against isis is justified. the president acting without congress is not. >> gee, this could have been written in 1971. most people just don't seem to care these days. by most people i mean most administrations, republican and democrat and most members of congress. >> i don't think any president

is going to willingly give up what presidents, you know, the right to declare war that presidents frankly have taken from congress. it is written that it's congress that is supposed to declare war yet the last time there was a formal declaration of war was during world war ii. at least, those and i've written this several times, congress should debate this new war. the whole country should be behind this. this is important. and it's going to last a long time and we need to know what we're getting into. there should be at least an authorization for the use of military force because frankly using the old authorization in iraq is a stretch. >> mike, they went off and started campaigning. and they debated it for like six hours and all they debated was arming the kurds. >> was there any lengthy debate in discussion prior to the invasion of iraq in 2003.

very little. there was any debate and discussion after the passage of the gulf of tonkin resolution? very little. >> i thought we had a hearty debate in 2003. >> yeah, prior to iraq. but there was no declaration. >> right no declaration. there hasn't been. yeah. harold, this seems to be taking it to an even lower level. congress is so shirking their responsibility they don't want to debate this on the floor. >> this is the point i tried to make earlier. i agree with turkey and the president making clear our expectations. i don't always agree with rand paul's foreign policy

philosophy. some places want this conversation. when you're a president that wins the presidency around an issue that we wanted a different policy around the middle east it's odd not to have congress debate if indeed you'll escalate our policy. >> gene is right using the 2001, 2002 authorizations that cover the fight against terrorism is dubious and i would say if it was a republican president i'll say it in four years if the republican president tries to use it how long does that go on. can you use it 20 years from now? 50 years from now. >> it's sad. >> this is a new danger, gene. a danger we haven't seen. >> it really is. there's nothing in those authorizations for afghanistan or iraq that says anything about what's going on now and certainly the word syria does not appear in any of those authorizations.

frankl fra frankly, this is a new war. >> let's turn to politico now, mike allen standing by. you got a good piece up about former new york city michael bloomberg his 2016 spending strategy. mike what's he thinking two years from now? >> well, he's decided that federal races, house senate races are too crowd. there's too many billionaires all flooding in trying to get their voices in these congressional races so mike bloomberg is taking the look, he looks ahead to 2016 and spent $40 million this year, the second most of any individual after tom styer. we can expect him to spend more. he's looking at governor races, local referendum. school board. he spent 60% of his money this time in those local races, also governors, state and local, not only because you can have an impact but because that's where

the action is. >> you guys say that bloomberg got involved in 20 races and won 16 of those 20 races. steve schmidt and i couple of days before the election buried him prematurely oh, well it looks like gun control will cost the governorship in colorado, in connecticut and here you have in those two states that were most aggressive in gun control measures, hickenlooper won and dannel malloy expanded the margin of victory in connecticut. >> that's right. and he was the rare democrat, a life long democrat who of course has run as a republican and independent but he's a life long democrat who had a great win/loss record. you mentioned a couple of democratic races he won.

but, joe, he played in five republican races, three primaries and two generals and won all of them. he was a backer of charlie baker in massachusetts and he was 5-0 in his republican races and he says in '16 as well he'll look for republicans who have taken on someone in their party are not afraid to cross the aisle, have a record of doing both in addition to an interest to his issues which of course includes guns, soda tax, petroleum reform, education reform. >> that's incredible. i had no idea his won/loss record of that good. when you hear about -- he's second in only spending to tom styer. it looks like he used data. he was bloomberging about this and used data 16 out of 20 and going on both side of the aisles. pretty impressive. >> kind of a silver lining.

>> mike allen thank you very much. gene, stay with us. still ahead chuck todd is here to look at his new book. >> you thought the election was painful? >> i did. it was hard to watch the democratic candidates shoot themselves in the foot. yeah. are you asking or is that not a question? >> no. >> is it a question? >> was it painful? >> hard to watch. >> they got popcorn out. >> it was good. >> kentucky was awful. >> awful. you could see it happening. it was like a slow motion -- you know. anyhow yes to answer your questions. so, chuck's new book "the obama presidency" it's on the obama president and why he entitled it the stranger. first imagine a world where policy decisions are made based on hard evidence. no. not politics or personal gain? can you imagine? call it "moneyball" for government and peter orszag is here to explain. ♪

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in order to make decisions then you need to drive those decisions off of the data. >> like what's a good example? >> i'll give you a good example. this is particularly important. not only is it one thing that democrats and republicans can agree on, we have this book with bipartisan support, it's shocking. but also because we have these caps on discretionary spending that will become increasingly tight over time and as we meet them we need to cut stuff that doesn't work and not stuff that does. good example youth opportunity grants a program in the late 1990s. it turns out after the fact we examined it it worked, too late however because the program was eliminated in the absence of any evidence. we baselinely cut. >> with scarce resources how do you somehow bring from what is what is ought to be. we worked together on the house floor. that's a really messy pigpen. joni ernst had it right at

times. how do you do that? how do you make it more efficient? >> you and harmd both know, part of the challenge is you don't meet a government program or a spending priority that doesn't have a constituency, that doesn't have a special interest group tied to it, that comes to washington to let you all, you know, know all the positive things and puts pressure on you to fund it and they rarely bring evidence but they bring a lot of pressure and a lot of resources to bear. and if we had a tool as representatives, the three of us and our colleagues that are still on the hill to be able to analyze this, just data of any kind as peter said, we don't even have some of the basic evidence, basic measurements you would think you would need in order to analyze programs. >> how is it that in 2014 our federal government is so inefficient when you compare it to every single fortune 500 company out there?

>> i'll take a shot at that. look, i think there's three things. first we haven't paid attention. for example most agencies don't, almost all agencies don't even have someone whose responsibility is like a chief evaluation officer to figure out what works and what doesn't. federal government is behind the ball on digitization. very hard to examine what works and what doesn't if you don't have a digital backboard. and the political environment doesn't want to look at the evidence because it's awkward to find out something doesn't work. >> when you were working for the president you and peter both, give me an example after doing the book if there was an area that you advise the president on, advising cabinet secretaries gave me one two. peter gave us youth opportunity grants. give us one or two of something to be changed or expanded. >> we found one called the nurse partnership program that was a

program out of baltimore where we were putting together nurses with first time families that were having kids for the very first time but in some challenging environments, challenging home situations, and discovered that based on evidence, again, over a number of years that this was a program that was working, it was keeping mothers healthy, it was keeping them out of trouble, it was keeping families together, and so we funded that and, of course, peter took it and when he was om bdirector he took it even more. it's those kinds of things. unfortunately there's very few examples where you can say this is evidence that is used. we do it on the regulatory side. i worked for the credit unions. we use evidence all the time for regulatory action and work but rarely do we do it on the legislatively side particularly in spending appropriations. that's what we're hoping to be able to encourage through the use of this book.

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>> wow. kazam. >> he's 15 years old! >> come on. >> it's great. >> wow. >> how was he supposed to know. >> say hello to my best friend. >> you wouldn't know? >> no. >> you got to get out more. >> nick jonas. say hello to my little friends is like knowing the lyrics to the national anthem. >> better know it. >> okay. >> everybody samples it. >> it's the top of the hour now. mike barnacle, howard ford jr. and eugene robinson still with us and joining us, msnbc contributor david axelrod. good to have you all on board. we'll start with president obama who is in china today expanding the u.s.'s trade relation with

beijing while trying to pressure the government on everything from human rights to cyber security attacks. the u.s. and china have already agreed to drop tariffs on tech products and extend work and student visas which the president hailed as a major break through but awkwardness remains. the front page of "usa today" shows russian president vladimir putin walking right past president obama during a group photo. the leaders first time together since the u.s. imposed sanctions over ukraine. the presidents met at least three times during the day for 20 minutes discussing iran, syria and ukraine. meanwhile president obama is set to dine with china's president their first meeting on chinese soil. the president is expected to apply pressure over aggressive cyber hacking but there are new reports hackers with the chinese government ties reached the postal service's network in september. the data of some 800,000

employees, even the post master general believed to have been compromised. >> the next war, man, it could be a cyber war. >> definitely. >> it is amazing what the chinese have been able to infiltrate. they can infiltrate everything. we don't realize how quickly our entire economic system melts down if they shut it down. hack it and shut it down. it melts down. >> what about jpmorgan, bank of america, morgan stanley. >> not on the scale that you mention. you're right. there's a big book on cyber security and cyber tech. you have a couple of guys, men and women sitting in a room with high advance degrees fundamentally can change the world like that. >> just like that. >> what would happen if at the atms in this country didn't work for a period of three, four, five, six days. >> absolutely everything.

>> shut the water down. shut the faa down. >> power. >> have planes up in the air and to have somebody hack into that, and suddenly there's no air traffic controllers. can you imagine that? that's not far fetched. david, dictate us inside the white house. obviously over the past several years we've heard a lot more about this. but can you -- can you just kind of take us into a meeting where sort of a gee whiz meeting you sat there and i say gee whiz, where you sat there and said oh, my god this is so much more dangerous than anybody could imagine? >> well, a gee whiz weren't the words you would necessarily use but you can't say them on tv. no. look, i think one of the great challenges in every realm of governing today is the impact that technology is having on every aspect of our lives, and this is one of them. and the cyber issue has been a

real focus for the pentagon, for the president, for the national security apparatus. the real challenge is trying to figure out where is this all going, how do you thwart these things, what's the next iteration because it's churning so quickly. it makes national security, for one thing, much more complex than it's ever been before. >> okay. as the nation prepares to honor its 22 million veterans today, big changes are on the way to the department of veteran affairs. secretary bob mcdonald announced a massive overhaul after allegations that veterans were forced to wait extended periods of time for care. he says the focus will now be on customer service and secretary bob mcdonald joins us now from the white house. it is very good to have you on the show this morning, especially on this veterans day. >> good morning and happy veterans day. >> yeah. obviously a massive under

taking. you've already spoken publicly about the potential of firing up to 1,000 people. you want changes in this department. when do you think we would see any and what would you like to see the first major overhaul be? >> well, you already are starting to see some changes. we've got wait times down for appointments for veterans by 18% nationally. we got disability claims backlogged down by 60%. homelessness is down by 33%. we want to drive those numbers to be even better and i think the first thing we're going to do as part of the re-organization is stand up our customer service organization that will being focused on reaching out to our veterans and navigating our veterans through our somewhat complex system as we simplify it. >> secretary mcdonald it's willie geist. i'll ask a question i asked yesterday. you came from the private sector, ran a private company and now you're confronted this behemoth of a bureaucracy teva.

if you were starting from scratch what would a great va system look like to you? >> well that's exactly what we're after in this organization, it's as if we're take a clean sheet of paper and redesigning the second largest department of government that was cobbled over many years. it starts with customer service. it starts with having a group of people that will reach out to our veterans, that will help them navigate the system. second it starts with simplifying the organization. right now we have nine different lines of business. all with a different geographic map. we're going to move to one geographic map. it also starts with better use of digital technology. we're standing up a digital services team. i personally have been out to menlo park to people that have been successful with google and others to come join us. we'll create regional organizes that will allow us to work across what today are our

vertical silos, regionally, so we'll have regional directors that will be in a sense, have my responsibility but at a much lower level. today, nothing gets integrated in va unless it comes up to the office of the secretary. >> mr. secretary, how difficult of a challenge it would be to mimic the customer service that they would have -- when you walk into a home depot or apple store you are met by a greeter who sort of takes you through the initial maze that you confront when you walk into these stores and make it simpler. how difficult would it be to mimic that experience teva? >> it's not difficult at all. that's what we want to do. at the proctor and gamble company on any given day 5 billion people on this planet use one proctor and gamble product. they are voting on us every single day. we need to win that vote every

day. we need to do the same thing in the va. we have pockets of that in our clinics and medical centers we have a greeter-kind of system. in some places it's a red coat system where people wear red coats. we're inconsistent. we need to be consistent. we need to get that every where. we need somebody leading the customer service organization to improve that customer experience. >> harold ford. >> good to see you. how much will this cost and do you anticipate a congress that's more receptive and more willing now that you're there and the changes you're make, reforms you're making, mr. secretary? >> i actually don't expect any additional head count or cost because of the organization. in fact, what we want to do is simplify and move resources from the center out to where the veterans are and i'm hoping it will be a reallocation,

non-incremental cost. the only incremental cost is we'll see the impact of the end of the war. you don't see the impact on the va until 40 years after the war ends. so we won't see an impact until 2050, 2055 and we're going to need more resources in order to meet that increasing demand until those years. >> all right. secretary robert mcdonald, thank you so much. let us hope for our veterans a happier veterans day than maybe they've had recently and i think it's safe to say here and safe for us to say we're all rooting for your. good luck. >> thank you so much. have a great day. happy veterans day. >> obamacare enrollment begins on saturday but ahead of that date the administration is already lowering expectations. the department of health and human services is now drastically scaling back

projects of how many people will be enrolled by the end of 2015. hhhs predicts about 9 million will be signed up, 4 million fewer enrolles than was projected last spring. the new projections are being viewed by many to temper expectation and create a bar that's easier to clear. hhs secretary says the number the administration is aiming for is actually 9.1 million at the lower end of the range. >> gene robinson, what's the impact of that? does it matter -- we're beyond the referendum on barack obama, we're beyond the referendum on the affordable care act. obviously there will be a huge debate in congress. but does this impact the ability of the program to run or are the insurance companies depending on a certain number of enrollee, et cetera. you know what i'm saying? what's the impact of that other

than a disappointing number? >> i struggle to try to understand, because the explanation of why the number was lowered so much never quite parsed for me. i got to confess my suspicion is they are low balling it and to be able to clear the bar comfortably and say, you know, we had a tremendous success with it. i think that number within that 30% range probably doesn't matter a whole lot to the program. i think the insurance companies will adjust. i think consumers will adjust. and i frankly think that number will be higher than this low estimate that we're being given right now >> you're saying they are -- >> yeah. david axelrod, three people in the audience actually understood that. david, so, we all know, people act in their best economic interest for themselves, for

their children, et cetera, et cetera. if the affordable care act is in the best interest of millions and millions of americans, what's happened with the slow number and what does the white house need to do, what does the administration need to do to push that number up? >> well, first of all, i think the low number is what gene suggests. and what you suggest. let's accept that. look they got to get out of the gates clean in term of the website working and accessible. they said they made improvements that make it even more consumer friendly, and there needs be good word-of-mouth. i wonder, honestly, what billions of dollars of advertising, you know, because the aca was such a football, political football in the last campaign does to people's level of interest in this and they have to build confidence in the program over time. so the first order of business is get out of the guest clean in this new sign up period, no

screw ups on the website. and make clear what people's choices are, and i think they have determined to do that if there's a screw up here, obviously that's a big setback. i don't anticipate that, though because of the experience they had last time. >> mike, if consumers learn they can go on the website it's easy. when mika and i went over there and showed the launch what they envision, wow. if it's that easy, kind of like what you said about the va, if it's that easy this will be a success. of course a horrible roll out and we all know that. i wonder if it is easier to go on this time and enroll and it looks the way it looked at the white house. i said -- i remember saying okay i'm against this, but this is going to work because it is so user friendly. >> no, it does work. it does work. there's a piece in the "the washington post" -- >> healthercare.gov does work. >> it does work. there's a piece in the "the

washington post" written by a fellow i think from south carolina who literally says in the "post" his life was saved by obamacare, whatever you want to call it. on the other hand, you have all of this evidence floating in the atmosphere that there will still be a continued concerted effort to kill this piece of legislation. so, david, my question to you is what is going to be the administration's response to this consistent assault on this piece of legislation? republicans want to kill it. >> well, i don't think they are going to take the aca out and they sort of signaled that. they are going to go for pieces of it, the equipment, the medical equipment tax. >> and it collapses. >> funding aspect of it. yeah. well the question of it which hits the main engine and which can be sustained. nobody including the president suggested this program can't be improved and if the administration is smart they

will embrace ideas that can improve the program and they will find areas which he can compromise. he won't sign any legislation that would laps the program. he's thoroughly committed to the program. so i think the key is to -- are there areas in which they can move. the number of hours from 30 to 40, you know, in terms of how people are categorized for the program and what businesses have to do, whether a 30 hour week is enough to qualify for the program or whether you need more hours. those are things they taught be able to compromise on. button core of it they are not going to compromise because as you said all over this country there are people benefiting from this program today many of whom would not have insurance, some of whose lives have been saved. >> mika, they are obviously going reform it. teen president himself said it could be made better. it could be made better. i think david is exactly right.

you change 30 hour a week minimum to 40 hour week minimum. that's a significant change especially for service employees who really fear the crunch of this bill. the president unilaterally put one exception after another in there. republicans had problems with this. this is the opportunity for everybody to work together and figure it out. unless ted cruz knows something i don't know about basic math and i'm not being negative towards him, for conservatives it's a laudible goal to end this piece of legislation, but it's all about math. as i said to republicans for years now it's about 50 plus one but in this case it's 60. >> yeah. >> i don't know how they get to 60 in the senate. >> before we go to break, david, it to share your project. you're teaming up with karl rove to bring job opportunities and mentorship to vets who are returning from combat. tell us all about it.

>> well, there's an organization called american corporate partners, a not profit nonpartisan group formed to provide mentoring and counselling and networking services to returning veterans which is a great well spring of talent. one of the by products of these wars we have these young people that have so much to offer but you want to hook them up with businesses. this organization matches volunteers from the business community with these veterans to give them the kind of support they need to go and find jobs, and part of it is this acp advisernet.org which is an online question and answer community where veterans who are looking to advance themselves in their careers and fine jobs can go online, ask questions and get answers from business professionals who volunteer their time. >> that's great. >> a very worthy project and a good day to encourage people to both volunteer their time and veterans to go online and make

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♪ so fascinating. joining us now, nbc news political director and moderator of "meet the press," chuck todd. he's the author of the new book "the stranger, barack obama in the white house." in the book chuck describes despite the breath of fresh air that the president promised to bring to washington many of the president's first hirns 2008

were veteran d.c. insiders. his favoring of establishment insiders and veterans of presidencies past demonstrated to those who had been up close with obama something they had known was there but had hoped might fade come arrival at 1600 pennsylvania. they saw the supreme self-confidence at times bordering on arrogance that defined obama, the assureness that allowed him to sit in a room with four star generals, heads of state, senior senators or business icons and believe himself their intellectual equal or superior. obama wasn't concerned about bringing big names, pillars of old washington on board an administration bent on change. as always he saw himself as the change. wow. and you go on from there. so tell me, first of all, as we look at the next two years, do you think anything can change at this point and has this been sort of what has led to the

narrative that this presidency has been, had a lock of change in it? >> i think that -- it's interesting when i talked with some folks in the last week who are indicating, you know what? he's got freedom. saying this. he spent a lot of time and i think in hindsight when you look back, he spent a lot of time allowing himself to be handcuffed by congressional democrats. i think some of this he sort of allowed them, he sort of deferred to them too often. >> clinton did it in '93 and '94. >> and regretted it. i don't know, i'll be curious when he writes his memoir he will regret it he let congressional democrats have too much say. but i think there's something he's enjoying this freedom. this net neutrality he didn't give a darn about who in congress, congressional democrats he just decided to do this. didn't really care if he line up any allies on capitol hill on

this one. knowing it was going to be sort of -- >> he was against what his fcc chairman has been suggests. >> they are doing it in china is the irony of that. >> i want to talk about "the stranger." one of the things that we've all heard from so many people and it wasn't like six years in, it was like two months in, from the most senior democrats, senators on the hill, he never calls. >> right. designee never talks to us. ask them a year later they will tell us, i've been here for a year, he's never invited notice the white house. i actually had a senator and it happens quite a few times where senators will call us what are you hearing over at the white house. what are they thinking. i'll go are you kidding me? >> i've had those conversations. >> look he's a stranger -- >> there's a few people he made relationships with. >> who? >> the biggest one i think somebody he didn't know going in

was his own attorney general. >> what about on the hill, though? can you name one close ally he has on the hill? >> no. look, i think -- i'll say this, i think nancy pelosi became their most trusted representative on the hill simply because she delivered. >> nancy is a fighter. >> and because she delivered. it was weird when they went in he had horrible -- they thought the senate was everything and they really didn't manage the house democrats very well and you know what nancy pelosi pushed back. look in hindsight that was a mistake. they should have pushed back on house democrats and senate democrats early on, and i think you set the tone early on. >> chuck, isn't it amazing -- i remember reading a story when ronald reagan was able to pass a bill through lobbying people, constantly stream of people coming over. >> he wasn't that close to members of congress but his staff was. >> somebody knocked over his

jelly beans and reagan got on his hands and knees, picked them up and put them back. bending over backwards to show that he didn't think he was above them. there's such a pervasive feeling -- forget republicans they will be against him. democrats on the hill, they are not on the same page. >> this is the irony of it. he deferred to them way too much. there's a good story that i tell at the beginning which is early on there was a spending bill before stimulus, health care, there was a spending bill. remember president obama campaigned i'm never going to sign anything with these earmarks in it. this thing was a mess. and they held it over. he was advised by all the old hands around him that said no, no don't pick a fight with david o bm obie. he signs it and lectures them i'm not going to do this again.

how you discipline your kids. who is the new sheriff in town. somehow david obie would stop health care? in hindsight that sent the wrong message. congressional democrats all they did, i think, was tie him down in a way -- >> that's right. >> just reading it, skimming it now two or three -- >> washington read. >> two or three stories that were in it, am i wrong to feel a sense of, a certain sense of sadness about this presidency in that it came, it arrived to us with such great joy and great feeling about it and to see what has happened to it and off of joe's observation about "the stranger" i'm thinking about former united states senator kent conrad who endorsed obama early drove him around iowa before the iowa caucuses and basically never heard from him

again once he was elected president of the united states. >> look, i think that's where his defenders will say you're holding him to too high of a standard. when he came on stage in 2004 he was the breath of fresh air. at that time we had 20 straight years of what, ten straight years of polarization between clinton and bush. now when he leaves office we're going to have 24 years of the most polarized climate we've had since before world war ii. and look his promise was what? that he was going to break this. now, look, i don't think he's had the presidency he wanted. he came in -- he didn't know he was going to have -- i'm not going sit here and say it's an absolute fair -- nobody does the presidency that they want. there's no doubt. but the biggest -- i almost wonder if he would be in a different place today if at a minimum he didn't have so many democrats that won with him in

2008. imagine if he had 52 department senators and always had to go fine eight from the very beginning, eight republicans. what do you think washington would look like today? >> bill clinton when he got pounded in 1994 he had a frame of reference. he can go back to arkansas having to deal with republicans and conservative democrats doing that from 1978 to 1982. barack obama never had that life experience. he has grown up, despite the fact that he's had this extraordinary geographic background, he's had a pretty insular existence politically. did not hang out with a bunch of people on the other side. >> which was his -- which was why the public gravitated to him, right? because he didn't have those, that scar tissue. >> yes. >> and i think that's where you get the disappointment. you had an opportunity that few politicians have. >> where do you go?

>> that's the argument from the left that i hear from his supporters and they make that point to me. i get it. >> it's hard. >> a fair point. >> not to be a disappointment when you literally are risen up as like literally -- i can't think of a higher name one i wouldn't use right now. just nowhere to go. the book is "the stranger." you can read an excerpt on our website. chuck todd, great book. is it out today. off and running. okay. "the stranger" on sale now. >> i have to learn how to sell books. chris matthews knows how to sell books. amazon. i'm with the publisher they are in a fight with. >> barnes and noble. >> one hand tied behind your back. >> up next still ahead the war may be winding down but the battles continue at home. why issues facing our returning

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♪ it took me four days to hitch-hike from saginaw ♪ ♪ "i've come to look for america" ♪ ♪ why the homeowners were in shock. >> team rubicon is a volunteer organization which responds to disasters. >> veterans are good at dealing with disaster relief much >> put veterans together and they can do pretty much anything. >> it's amazing everybody is here helping. >> if i was going to describe team rubicon. >> brotherhood. >> i joined the military to be able to help my fellow man. team rubicon let's me continues to serve. >> that's a little look at team rubicon a nongovernment organization combining the skills of u.s. veterans with

first respond towers deploy emergency response teams very quickly and joining us now the ceo and co-founder of team rubicon retired marine jake wood and also joining us in washington, pulitzer prize winning journality david finkle, author of the book "thank you for your service." >> this is one of the greatest organizations. there's an earthquake in haiti you guys go. >> yes. so at the end of the day team rubicon recruits and organize and train veterans. at the end of the day what we're trying to do is provide veterans with a new mission and through that mission give them that sense of purpose and community they had when they were in the military. >> you do it with military precision. you read about something, see it on tv, you go, gather the troops and go. >> absolutely. we can bring in that same level

discipline and order that the military provides through its structure to disaster zones one of the most chaotic environments you can imagine. >> david, let's talk about your book, so highly regarded and now out in paper back "thank you for your service." why were you compelled to write this book. >> i woke up this morning thinking about a soldier i got to know quite well in 2007 when i spent a year with an infantry battalion during the surge. this is a great guy who one day made a decision to go down this road rather than that road. this road led into another exploding bomb. two of his guys died. and this great tough guy later in the day wrote a letter to his wife that said baby, i'm going to need a little help when i get home. and so here we are. these wars are about winding down, but the fact is that, look, more profound, the effects are enduring and there are a lot

of people, a lot of people who need a little help. and that's what this new book is about. just trying to bring to light some of these people and what day-to-day life is like. >> david, that's obviously the introduction to "thank you for your service," your book which is both depressing and incredibly real. last night in boston at a reception honoring wounded veterans and all veterans, actually, ryan pitts, medal of honor recipient stood up and indicated, spoke publicly about the psychological baggage that he carries to this day, will carry for the rest of his life. can we ever say enough or talk enough about what is out there and what goes unintended. >> there's plenty of people talking about it. the difficulty is getting information pay attention and one thing that folks inside the system who are trying to help

soldiers tell me again and again is that there is a window of public attention, and they can sense i want closing and once this happens and people who are paying attention to the effects of the war now through giving to various charities and organizations, once that attention goes, you know what are we left with. >> jake, what do we need to do? what do americans need to do for our heroes. >> i wrote an article last night that i put up and one of the things i recommended for the civilian population is pick up david's book which i read and is fantastic. i think that the public needs to not just thank veterans for their service they need to ask them about it. there's the rockwell painting of a marine sitting in his garage and talking to a couple of kids about world war ii. wars shared not just by the 2 1/2 million that were in iraq

and afghanistan but 300 million who sent them there. people asking tell me about it and getting over that sense of discomfort on what they might hear. it's important for veterans to feel the emotional and moral burden of combat is not just placed on their shoulders alone. >> jake, are your as a veteran leader encouraged by what you've seen early on from the new vasek bob mcdonald? >> i think that bob is bringing a level of excitement to the va. what people want to see is action. the plan he laid out yesterday has a lot of opportunity to change the va. the difficult part how do you execute. what we're looking for right now is less planning and public statements and more action. let's start seeing this plan put in at a tactical level. let's start seeing changes happen at the ground where the veterans are meeting va officials on a regular basis. nobody is meeting with bob mcdonald in washington, d.c.

people are meeting the reception at their local va in omaha, nebraska. >> all right. jake, thank you so much. we appreciate it. david thank you as well. still ahead jenna bush sits down with her father and grandfather. stay with us.

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raising their kids. >> dad, growing up, what type of father was gampy. >> he set the boundaries. >> when you were raising your kids, what type of life did you want for them? >> i wanted all the best. i wanted them to feel there was no horizons, reach for the stars and accomplish stuff and sure enough, they have. >> reporter: history will tell that story. my father had a front row seat working throughout my grandfather's campaigns. >> so help me god. >> reporter: he says now the hardest part of politics is watching the spotlight shine harshly on those you love. >> dad, when you watch as he was a president and you would turn on the television to hear critics talk about him -- >> yeah.

it made me angry. and i wasn't disciplined enough not to watch television. when i became president i was disciplined enough to ignore all the noise. but when he was president and people criticized him, i didn't like it. actually, it helped thicken my hide for when i became president because criticism of my dad was a heck of a lot more difficult for me to handle than criticism of me. >> what about you, though, ga gamps? when you were -- >> the same thing. i did not like it. i knew it goes with the territory. when it's your own son, it's hard to take. >> dad, in 1992, when gampy lost -- >> yeah. it was an unhappy moment. it took an extraordinary series of events to defeat him. we all felt off of his graciousness in defeat. >> it is a lesson in grace and fortitude.

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search for spiky, the stuffed dog. >> reporter: it was pretty remarkable as you were debating the night before, anyway. where were you? out to dinner? >> i was preparing for the debate. i don't know where i was. thank goodness they found spiky. >> reporter: during all the years on the campaign trail he was simply gampy to us. >> i don't know if you remember in 1994, in texas, jenna came to the stage and kept lifting up her skirt in front of the child and drew attention to herself. >> i was 4. >> you did put on quite a show and dad was very talent. >> reporter: you were a great grandfather, you are a great-grandfathe great-grandfather. >> you're so sweet. >> reporter: my grandfather considers serving his country his greatest privilege and his family is ultimate gift. now a loving tribute to my

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good morning. it is tuesday november 11th, veterans day. welcome to "morning joe." with us on set we have mike

barnicle and msnbc political analyst and visit iing professo democratic congressman, harry ford junior, along with joe and willie. we will get to the arctic outbreak early. it came early this year. the question is how long will this last? more than 100 schools in minnesota closed and dropped up to more than a foot of snow. there are frigid temperatures moving down from canada. when it's all said and done, more than 200 million people will be feeling the freeze. bill is tracking it. >> we're talking st. cloud, minnesota. they had the most snow they've seen in any given day in 49 years. that was the first snow of the season and some areas did get nailed by the snow. we have a little bit of snow left in wisconsin. in the des moines area, we have snow for you and green bay and

milwaukee, the snow is on the way. it makes its way to chicago and st. louis and indianapolis today. if i had to guess what month it is based on this map i would say december or january. even aim real even aim morillo, texas has a windchill of 5. and you have two more days of warmth before the temperature makes its way across the country. by the time we get to thursday, the cold makes its way to the east coast. boston and d.c. looks like thursday afternoon is when the cold makes it here and not as bad as the central plains. remember last year, remember, northern plains and great lakes had a miserable winter and snow is on the ground and no sign of

warmth on the way, we're in store for a very long november. >> thank you, bill karins. >> reporter: you're welcomes. >> there is a new threat for the isis militants as the reach of the terror group extends to egypt. they are pledging a loyalty to the islamic state and fighters have killed scores of egyptian troops and may have in for pants inside the military. it's another example of dimin h diminishing democratic hopes following the arab spring. and nbc news shows isis has plans to join force with pakistan to wage war on the government. >> the spiralling violence can be traced back to iraq and syria and the heart of the insurgency. richard engel entered kobani,

one of the first journalists to see the fighting firsthand and here is his report. >> reporter: for two months, kobani has been fighting for its life, surrounded with wave after wave of isis attacks. we managed to get inside and found a city devastated but refused to surrender. these fighters are outmanned, men and women, and outnumbered. this 44-year-old is a top field commander. her name means strength. now we run she says. and sheets shield us from enemy snipers. you run low and fast. she's saying when they come, isis fighters come in waves, not just one or two, but 40, 50 fighters will try and swarm into the building. >> reporter: to keep them back, the kurds of kobanis have mostly

light weapons. half have been hurt. if i take two steps that way there's a danger of being hit by a sniper. these are men and women on the ground facing an enemy known for its savagery and every man and woman carries a weapon as a last resort. they'll commit suicide rather than be captured by isis. >> richard engel reporting. >> now, with the news really bad it focuses in egypt and pakistan the two most important countries in the world, certainly the muslim world. the united states, whether they like it or not, are going to

have to get involved. and stop the spread of this. >> i think we will see a renewed focus on these foreign entanglements. everyone was involved in the midterm midterms and now they open the paper, how is this going? are we doing enough or too little? should we even be there? i think this debate heats up because despite our best efforts more problems are occurring from this region. >> the president loves to lead from behind. you can't lead from behind on this anymore. you have retired admirals talking about what they're seeing is insufficient. you're hearing commanders complaining about it. the president likes to go halfway in, a little bit at a time sort of back into things. it's just not going to work here. >> i agree. >> i don't think it will work here. >> when you combine it with you have a new armed service providers chairman in the form

of john mccain and lindsey graham, their voices empowered to willie's point. if you said eight months ago, mr. president you'd be on the verge of perhaps deploying several thousand troops to a region in which you promised to end conflict, he'd probably end that laughable and probably called for a measured approach now and more balanced approach, you can't pull all the way out. the president will be prodded in ways by this new republican senate things he probably is not inclined to do but will be forced to do. >> i keep wondering if it won't show in history george w. bush went too far, too excessive, too prepared to use force and barack obama overcorrected and we're paying a terrible price for it now. if he does not change, if he does not do what every other president does, what bill clinton did, what f.d.r. did, what ronald reagan did, george w. bush did, and learn from his

past mistakes. if he stays isolated in a bubble, there will be a tremendous price for america to pay. i'm not saying to go invade the middle east. i'm saying to get out of your defensive crouch and get out of your bubble and figure out what's going on here and start connecting the dots. it's frightening as hell. if i had met one ambassador across the world, if i met one world leader across the world that wasn't scared as hell how the united states is responding to this threat i wouldn't be speaking this way because i always assume the president and the president's advisers know a hell of a lot more about stuff than those of us that don't get the intel reports. i am hearing this from around the globe. this is really really bad. america's response is scaring the hell out of the world. >> you mention the history's assessment. the headline of history's

assessment will be that george w. bush broke the middle east by invading iraq. that's where we're at. today, where we're at, you have to feel some sense of sympathy for this president of the united states, clearly the underpinning of what's happening here is the complete inability of the iraqi army to defend their own country, anbar province is gone, it is gone. we are no doubt over the next several months going to have to introduce more troops on the ground. >> and impossible concept. >> yes, george w. bush broke the middle east. also, david petraeus, american troops, a lot of people in george w. bush got drubbed in 2006, in his second midterm. they self-corrected and they won anbar province back. >> they did, joe. >> and that required george w. bush to do what p-- off a lot o

generals in the pentagon and david pet trayious and bob woodward documented this and do things -- he had to get out of his comfort zone. it's just not enough to say george w. bush broke it, gee, that gives barack obama a free pass. i'm not saying you are saying that, some of his supporters are saying that. >> the surge under george bush and general pietretraeus worked. it wasn't a victory. >> it staved off defeat. >> it held back the forces that are now -- >> we held anbar province and at some point barack obama and his people have to admit they really screwed up getting the force out as fast as possible. he was just as ideological getting out as george w. bush is getting in. >> they should have said we're

in an endless situation and we need to be endlessly engaged. >> they should have negotiated much stronger with the iraqis to maintain a true presence. >> one element to point out on veterans day, 1500 advisors, u.s. troops going into iraq, a political decision in washington, when talked about on these shows, that's 1500 families who will go through this again and worry whether their husband or daughter or wife is going to come back aliv alive. >> can i ask, harold, why is it, i don't want american troops to go back to war, you have to make uncomfortable decisions. if you don't want american troops to go back to war, you have to do what has to be done to have the courage to take care of their own area. that means upsetting turkey and other people in the region. you know what, we don't have a lot of options. arm the kurds. they will fight for their land. if we arm them to the teeth and give them all the support that

they need, our men and women don't have to die for somebody else's property. they will fight and die, as we saw on the richard engel -- for their own property. but we don't make decisive decisions, we sit back and let the waves continue to batter us. >> one of the things the democrats were highly critical of president bush about and vice president cheney they were not clear and forceful asserting what interests we had at stake in the region. when it became clear there were not weapons of mass destruction they never backtracked from that. this president has not made clear what kind of timetable there is and what is needed to achieve those goals. i think whatever course of action we're taking, to make clear to the country and what we're doing. we talked about the powell doctrine before, apply that theology and thinking and conceptual thinking to how and what we're doing there and explain to the american people what we're doing.

>> the answer is not invading the middle east, let me be clear. not sending troops to the middle least. >> there is lack of clarity. >> being aggressive and telling turkey, tough luck. >> before you explain it to the american people, you have to explain it to presidenter eredof turkey, you will not block them. they're coming into syria. >> you played footsies with the terrorists for your own reasons. fine, you will have the kurds on your southern border. we're not sending our men and women to fight and die because you're letting terrorists use istanbul and use your terrorist highway as a way to get to isis. it's insanity. you know what, we will have to make turkey pay. either they pay or our sons and daughters die over there. >> so one of the issues that will be debated in 2016, running up to the 2016 election.

right now, two people generating some of the most interest for 2016 are the two people who said they're not running unlike hillary clinton and rand paul are clearly laying the framework for presidential campaigns, mitt romney and elizabeth warren continually push back on white house speculation. that doesn't mean they're not feeling the gravitational poll, that's for sure. the "washington post" reports mitt romney called dozens of candidates cementing relationship relationships after the election. and associates of the former governor says if jeb bush doesn't run, romney would consider jumping in again. a former top campaign staffer for president obama has signed up for the group ready for warren already building a base in iowa and new hampshire. >> what do you think of that,

mika? >> i don't think it's a big deal but it seems to be push youed o there, don't you think it is? >> aren't you hearing a lot of democrats are saying they used to think hillary was inevitable and 2014 has shown hillary is not inevitable. people won't look into the camera and say that as far as democrats. we all hear it from all our democratic friends in washington d.c., they don't think she's inevitable anymore. >> i think 2014, the outcome in a lot of ways makes her a stronger candidate largely because she is the perception, mika, you raised it before what she has said. >> you're talking about elizabeth warren or hillary clinton? >> hillary clinton. mika made the point, what is it she stands for. a lot of people say she stands for this clinton model and engine how you approach big big issues. she will benefit from that and

she has to articulate it. she will benefit because president obama was on the sidelines. she has to articulate a message. if she's clumsy like she was out on the book and some things she has said on behalf of elizabeth warren. i don't think the bubble has been burst, there is a desire to hear her. if she does not say much she will have a problem. there is a desire for her to speak up and be a leader in the party in some voiced. >> imagine if you're elizabeth warren, sitting there, you're a smart person. >> no doubt. >> you know -- you know you own 100% own the biggest issue in 2016. you own take home pay, you own the paycheck workers in this country, republican and democrat take home. you own that issue. >> mike, if you and i were advising her and i'm not, we'd have to be advising her to run.

what does she lose if she puts her name out there, if indeed mrs. clinton emerges as the strongest candidate and says we want the democrats party to go back to its lose. >> what does elizabeth warren have to lose if she runs for president? >> two things in terms of hillary clinton, there's a lot of room for her to be lame. if you go to a room of 500 people or done a book event, we've done a few, you ask the room, are you ready for hillary, the entire room raises their hand, they just do it, it's like automatic. >> until it's not. >> these antidotal experiences we've had over the years have reflected even with mitt romney the lack of excitement you now see. >> it's bizarre. we went around for four years, go on college campuses and all over and mika always asks people who are you excited about. for four years nobody raised their hand about mitt romney from 2009 to 2012.

now -- >> yeah -- >> they're talking about romney, which is bizarre. wait a second. when we knew he was running, you're not interested and now we go there and mika goes some of the people are interested in mitt romney. we're stunned how many people raised their hands. >> putin helped. coming up, john mccain joins the table and mark fields the new ceo of ford motor company what it's like to take over one of america's most iconic brands. first, a woman brought back to life for not having a pulse for 45 minutes. no wonder doctors are calling it a miracle. you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back.

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united states is able to provide, curing people of this disease wiping out western africa. amazing. the "usa today" says violent crime is on decline. the number of violent crimes dropped by 4%, the lowest since 1978. it spanned rape, murder, robbery and aggravated assault. the slow moving lava flow from the killer volcano engulfed a home. the fast moving breakout from the lava flow set the house on fire. the lava emerged in june and as of now shows little sign of slowing down. the guardian actor, joseph levitt will play snowden, about the controversial two books of nsa contract filming set to

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class michael monsour, who threw himself on a grenade to save the lives of other soldiers in iraq. and the subject of senator mccain's new book, "13 soldiers at war." >> senator, this looks fantastic. first of all, we have the new secretary of the v.a. are you hopeful? >> i'm hopeful and a little bit disappointed so far. somewhat disappointed. it all started with the phoenix v.a., 50 people dying. the three people who were in charge, they're still on quote administrative leave, still receiving full pay. >> he's talking about possibly firing 1,000 people. >> i hope that's the case and now will move forward. he certainly is well credentialed. i certainly supported his

nomination. maybe we're a little too impatient. >> there has to be accountability. >> such a massive undertaking. >> there has to be accountability. >> it makes us a little impatient, given all the terrible things that happened, as you know. >> right. >> talking about -- i can't think of a more shameful chapter in america than letting our veterans die. >> yes. >> i am going to work with him. i want to do everything i can to help. so far the word is impatient. >> next issue, something we were talking about this morning and i got a little worked up about. as you know, i'm not a big fan of sending american soldiers overseas, american marines, troops, but we have to do what we have to do. at the same time, why do we have to worry about what turkey thinks when it comes to arming the kurds. if turkey is going to be a conduit for terrorists, why

don't we arm the kurds to the teeth and why don't we train them and why don't we say, listen, nobody else is a responsible player here, you want kurdistan, take kurdistan, but here's the deal, we expect you to cut isis in half. why can't we do that? >> i don't know the answer to that because we should. this erdowan has been a real disappointment. >> why is that? >> he's terrible. >> a strong islamist and stifling dictator. >> for people who don't know the history of turkey, it goes against a century. there was a separation. >> there are more media people in prison in turkey than in iran. he's really a -- this new palace they built, did you see the

picture of that? >> a thousand rooms. did you see that, mike? >> almost as good as the united states senate. >> we should be shipping weapons directly to kurdistan, bypassing baghdad rather than having it go through the government in baghdad, which is still disfunctional. we should be developing a strategy. does anybody know the strategy? >> no. >> it is to degrade and defeat isis. i think the american people need to know what that strategy is. >> for the american people that say this is out of control, we go back and forth a long time. 2006, would have been 2007 state of the union say, joe, be patient, this petraeus guy, i know we were walking over to the senate, i know it's bad and looks hopeless, this petraeus guy will turn things around in

anbar province. i was thinking you had a few drinks before the state of the union. nobody saw it coming. it was just as bleak then after the bombing of the golden mosque as it is now. why can't we have a strategy for the north and strategy for anbar province? are you going to push for this as chairman of the arms services committee? >> absolutely. >> even if we disagree we need a strategy. >> you can't have a strategy that applies for iraq and one strategy for iraq and one strategy for syria. do you think isis respects the boundaries between syria and iraq? one reason we're not doing more in syria because we want to develop some kind of unholy alliance with iran? it's just -- while we're attacking isis in syria, bashar assad is bombing the free syrian army we're telling we're going to train in saudi arabia. that's immoral, not just unworkable, immoral. >> there is no policy. you hear that not just from

republicans and you and lindsey and kelly. you hear that from democrats, people inside the administration. it's a growing frustration. >> can i say this real quick. >> then we have to sell some books for you. >> i want to work with the president and the administration. the challenges are too big. i have been a harsh critic and i will admit that, just as i was a harsh critic of george w. bush when we were failing there. now, it's time for us to sit down and develop a strategy and work together in a bipartisan fashion. first is the request for $5.6 billion the president is going to make to pursue the isis strategy. the american people do deserve to know what the strategy is. >> and congress to debate it. >> exactly. >> six hours. six hours on one of the most existential threats to the middle east and all our allies. i know you agree with me. let's sell some of these books -- >> deserves to be sold.

there are some truly compelling stories in senator mccain's latest book. i want to focus on one we were talking about earlier i just read the chapter on. monica lynn brown. tell us about her. >> she is a medic highly trained. in the civil war i believe it was 20% of those wounded survived. now, 90% of those wounded survived mainly because of the capabilities of the first ones there to treat the wounded. monica was the classic example of that. she was highly trained, skilled, had on her the necessary things like dressing and all kinds of capabilities to stop bleeding and things like that. she was in a convoy, ied, went off and people were killed and wounded and she ran right into the fight. she treated, she saved lives, she was awarded obviously recognized for that achievement.

that should dispense, i believe, with any debate about whether women should be in combat. >> right. absolutely. >> really? why should we debate that anymore? if any woman has passed the physical exam, then they should be in combat if that is their desire to do so, in my view. i know old generals and admirals right now are having heart attacks all over america, but i do believe we have reached a point, and she is the classic example of what women can do in combat. the israelis use women very much in their military including some work women are better at than men and that is surveillance of their border. >> as do the kurds in combat. we saw that this morning. >> rich engel clip, i saw this morning. >> this is 13 individuals and 13- -- >> 13 major contracts.

>> do you have a favorite? >> i think pete salter, mark salter wrote it with me in the winnie bay go, the chinese surrou surrounded them, at night, he was wounded. he asked pete salter to tie him to a tree so he could stop the enemy, the chinese from wiping out the whole unit, and the last thing pete salter heard when he was headed down the hill to safety was the sound of mitch l mitchell's automatic weapon terribly wounded tied to a tree holding off the chinese as they escaped. the beginning of the korean war most people forget was a debacle. they drove us down to a small area- >> yeah, corner. >> reservoir, a very very close deal and pete salter fought all the way through it. and another favorite, leo, a pal

of mine, fantastic aviation skills. joseph martin, 15 years, joined the revolutionary army, continental army, almost starved to death, never thanked for his service. remarkable story. >> did you know him, too? >> i only go back to the cool inch administration. the spanish american revolution. >> barnicle asked that because they were drinking buddies. >> he did. the book is "13 soldiers," senator john mccain, no better person to put his name on that. >> good luck and we are hoping as americans that you and the president can work together. >> we want to work together, i promise you we want to work together. >> that's awesome. still ahead the ceo and president of ford explains why today is a really big day for the motor company. we'll be right back. you owned your car for four years.

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and joy and simplicity. the kind of fun that lasts. these are gifts everybody doesn't look for, they all think they will see on the cover of the "new york times" or "washington post" or book something that will make their life better. >> every family has something they don't talk about, kind of hangs like a dark cloud over, i don't care what family, they all have it. for the most public of families, this appears to be the one thing, you asked your uncle ted before he died to talk about it. it was tough for him. people just didn't like talking about this because it hurt so much. >> i think that what hurts is the shame people feel. families feel isolated when they have a special child. they feel isolated when they have someone that's different. they feel embarrassed, others make fun of them, they will not fit in, they won't be normal. that source of shame, i think, contributes to enormous conflict, trying to help the

person who's different, include the person. >> it's a permanent issue. >> it's a permanent issue. there's no cure. no cure for someone that's different and in some ways, thank god, no cure for someone that's different. that's the message of the book. any around this table i could ask if you know someone with special needs or know someone that's different, if you felt different, reaching out to that person on the sidelines is often the key, for my mother's family and my uncle ted as he told me that night, he remembered that story, where his brother, soon to become president of the united states, left the party with all the fun people, walked to the side where his sister was sitting alone and they sat together, a moment frozen in his memory as a young boy. frozen in his memory, why? i think because it taught him his brother and his sister alone together were having as much fun as anybody on earth at that momen moment. >> this is a bad lesson in life which this is the old way, you don't talk about things, you

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