community cares about their postal service. we'll cover the story on friday. i appreciate your time tonight. thank you. >> thanks so much. >> that's "the ed show." "politicsnation" with reverend al sharpton starts right now. good evening, rev. >> good evening, ed, and thanks to you for tuning in. tonight's lead, while republicans complain about america's problems, the president gets to work with fixing them. you see it, everything from ebola to health care, to immigration and our veterans. today america is ebola-free. the last u.s. ebola patient was released from the hospital this morning. praising the government protocol that caught the disease early. >> i am a living example of how those protocols work, and of how early detection is critical to both surviving ebola and ensuring that it is not transmitted to others. >> despite weeks of fear

mongering, we didn't hear much today from republicans about this. gee, if you didn't know any better, you'd think they only cared about ebola when it could help them win an election. also on this veterans day, we're seeing long-standing problems at the v.a. finally getting addressed. after president obama signed a historic bill to overhaul the department, taking aim at issues that date back decades. we've seen this pattern before. republicans grab headlines by freaking out about america's problems, but then skip town and leave the president to clean up the mess. he talked about his record on that this weekend. >> i have great confidence in the american people, and i have great confidence in this administration being able to work through and eventually solve problems. we've handled ebola well, but --

and folks aren't talking about it as much now, but there was a period of time where people were anxious. you'll recall just a year in office when there was a big hole in the middle of the gulf, spewing out oil. and we went through a month that was real tough. nobody talks about it now because we actually had a really effective response against the worst environmental disaster in american history. but when you solve the problem, sometimes the cameras have gone away. >> for years, republicans have used fear mongering and grit lock as a substitute for governing. and their agenda in the new congress doesn't look much better. politico reports republicans are planning to turn loretta lynch's hearing for attorney general into a political fight over immigration reform. and "the new york times" says they're vowing to gut the epa

and climate-change rules. it's like some republicans in washington want to create more problems, rather than try to fix them. joining me now, former pennsylvania governor ed rendell and jamal simmons. thank you both for being here. >> thank you, rev. >> so, governor, it seems like the sky is always falling for republicans. is that how they're going to govern in the new congress too, through gridlock and fear mongering? >> we discussed this when i was on the show a couple days after the election, rev. if they do it, they'll pay the price for doing it. one of the oldest sayings is, be careful what you wish for. well, they're now in control, and the american people are watching to see whether they'll attempt to govern and get things done, or whether they'll do what they've done the last three, four years, try to do nothing but destroy the nomination.

the lynch nomination is a perfect example. i remember, and it wasn't that many years ago, when we looked at supreme court nominees, cabinet nominees, we looked at them for their talent and ability, that was the only issue. talent, ability, and integrity. if we had that, whether we agree or disagree with them, we confirmed. anton scalia was confirmed by the senate, 100-0. ruth bader ginsburg was confirmed 97-3. that wasn't that long ago. and we've evolved into just a terrible, terrible state where the republican party wants to make everything a fight over the president. they don't want to govern. they want to fight, they want to destroy. if they do that for the next two years, i predict they'll get a terrible thumping in 2016. >> they're even talking about impeachment. yet another gop congressman is throwing the i word around, impeachment, over executive action the president might take on immigration.

listen to this. >> i believe that he's trying to force the republicans into a fight that we don't need to get into right now, and that's the impeachment fight. >> so the president wants to be impeached? i mean, is that the new republican answer after years of inaction on immigration, jamal? >> you know, absolutely not, rev. the reality is, the president is keenly aware he has two years left to be in office. he knows who the people are who he got elected to take care of. he knows what he's trying to do for the country. he wants to use every day of those two years to get something done. if the congress is going to cooperate they'll work together and pull some things off. if not, he'll use the power that he has. like you, rev, i was out on election day, i met people who are out of work. that's what they were talking about, how can they get more income, more jobs, get their families back in shape?

the republicans can play games all they want to, that's not going to help the american people. >> i noticed another pattern, governor, the right-wing pundits and politicians have described challenges confronting the president as his, quote, katrina. listen to this. >> what has been worse, the bush administration response to katrina, or the obama administration response to ebola? >> in your view, is the gulf spill obama's katrina is th? it could be. >> this is president obama's katrina. if he's down there with pictures of children in jail cells. >> ebola, the oil spill, the immigrant kids at the border, but then they get awfully quiet when these issues start getting resolved, governor. >> absolutely. and in fairness, rev, often the

administration doesn't do a very good job at the beginning. we don't message very well at the beginning. but you're absolutely right, if you look at the three things that we talked about, the oil spill, there's been tremendous progress in the gulf, tremendous reparations for the financial damage that it was done, tremendous preventative measures put in place. ebola, as you said at the top of the show, we are ebola-free because of the protocols of the cdc and the administration. so you're absolutely right, when the problems are solved, they're nowhere to be seen. they don't give credit, they don't say, we were wrong. katrina was a disaster and it was a disaster for people. all of those crises that they talked about were resolved in a very positive way. >> you know, the president says, jamal, that the criticism and second-guessing from the right doesn't really bother him. listen to this. >> what is relevant, we have the chance to help that person every single day, and we do. and sometimes you're going to

get fanfare for it, and sometimes you're not. but i still consider this the best job on earth, and i'm going to try to squeeze every last ounce of possibility and the ability to do good out of this job in these next two years. >> like you just said, he has two years left. it seemed like the president is more focused on getting things done than playing in the political theater that some of the pundits want to see. >> absolutely, rev. and as governor rendell just said, sometimes publicly they're a little slow off the mark, so we don't know what they're up to for a few days, that can get people frustrated. over time, we find out they put a good system in place, they handle the problems that need to get dealt with and they tend to solve the problems in ways that are good for the american people. what i'd like to see and the president mentioned in the other day in an interview, now he realizes, you can't just do the

right thing. you can't just build the best operation. you've got to communicate to people what you're doing so they understand how important and how successful you are. so the more they do that, i think that will help embolden his truth. i'm not worried about the republicans. they'll hate as long as he's there. i care about making sure that the people who voted for the president, who support him, understand what he's up to, they feel emboldened and they know he's working on their behalf. >> governor, the house gop has refused to take up the senate immigration bill for the last 502 days. here are some of the president's achievements since that time. we can have different opinions, but we can't have different facts. 7.1 million people signed up for health care on the exchanges. 3.3 million private sector jobs have been added, and the stock market has continued to rise. the dow is up 17%. these are facts. >> there's no question about it.

and again, facts that are conveniently ignored. i'll give you a perfect example. do you remember, rev, when the republicans went crazy because the obama administration wasn't dealing with isis, wasn't moving fast enough. then all of a sudden the president announces he had built a coalition that for the first time, had arab nations willing to fly missions with other muslims. no one thought that type of coalition could be put together. and since then, there hasn't been a peep from anybody. not a peep from anybody. >> that's very, very obvious what's going on. governor ed rendell and jamal simmons, i'm out of time. thank you for your time. >> thank you. coming up, reaction to our emotional interview with a man who says his life was saved by obamacare. what do republicans say to him as they push for repeal? also, a bombshell report on joan rivers' death has her daughter outraged.

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crusade to repeal the affordable care act. now conservative groups are pressing mitch mcconnell to repeal the law with a budget move that would only require 51 votes, avoiding a democratic filibuster. president obama would immediately veto a repeal, but republicans still want to do it. and that's not all. senator marco rubio and congressman paul ryan are reportedly putting together the gop alternative to the health care law. that's right. paul ryan, who wanted to take an axe to the safety net, has his eye on health care. what could go wrong? but here's the thing republicans find so easy to ignore. the law is helping millions of people. real, hard-working americans, who otherwise would have gone without care. last night i spoke to one of those people. david tedrow's insurance company

ended his plan while he was struggling with liver disease. he says obamacare saved his life, and he can't stand to see lawmakers using the law for political gain. >> well, it really saddens me, because obviously, you know, what's happened to the moral compass in this country? you know, we need to be concerned about people and their lives. and that's not happening. it doesn't seem to be important. >> we need to be concerned about all the davids across the country and forget about new gimmicky ways to repeal a law that's working. joining me now is jason johnson and michelle cottle, thank you both for being here. michelle, do republicans have

any answer for people like david tedrow about what happens if they repeal obamacare? >> well, look, what they talk about is the same thing they've been talking about. they like to call obamacare a job killer. they like to talk about the people whose policies were canceled because they didn't meet the standards of obamacare. they are concerned about the successes of obamacare, because the more people that get signed up, the more successful it is, the harder it is to repeal. so, your interview on the show last night is exactly the kind of thing that makes them very nervous and makes them push even harder to repeal. >> you know, jason, i want to play another part of the interview that i did last night with david tedrow. he'd written a column in "the washington post" about his experience, and i asked him about the comments it received. listen to this. >> a lot of them have been very positive. a lot of them have really,

really frightened me. again, it's back to, you know, where is the moral compass of this country. people have actually said i should have died. >> wow. >> -- that the money that went to save me should have been better spent. or should have reduced their taxes. and i'm just shocked by that. >> jason, what do you make of this ugliness? >> it doesn't surprise me. there's a segment in this country that hates anything remotely associated with barack obama. the man could cure cancer, clean the oceans and take care of your kids before dinner every night and people would still say he was an evil muslim communist dead set on destroying the country. but i think there's a key issue and you know this is somebody out there in the streets, talking to people every day. this is a problem. and the republicans didn't have a plan.

they had the bush administration. they had the reagan administration, both to come up with a plan. obama has tried to do something to fix our health care crisis and the republicans never had an alternative plan, but they want to attack his. >> you know, michelle, "the new york times" reported this week that business leaders are pretty happy with republicans, but they don't want them to change the health care law. quote, for one thing, many of the insurance exchanges are finally working well. and businesses have adapted to the new landscape. even more important, added demand from the newly insured is likely to increase profits in sectors like hospitals, pharmaceuticals, and medical devices. one banker even added, anything regarding the affordable care act is going to be a stretch. are republicans really going to do something that big business doesn't want, michelle? >> look, the republicans have to make a good show of this.

a lot of them were elected by motivating the base with promises of repeal. i've talked to some republican lobbyists recently and they call this a show vote. they'll get up there, work to repeal, whatever games they want to do. and then it will come down to very targeted efforts to do things like reform the medical device tax, or kind of rifle shot very narrow issues. it's not going to be a case of getting rid of it wholesale. it's just not going to happen. >> but isn't that possibly, jason, going to backfire? a new estimate from the department of health and human services suggests between 9 to 9.9 million people will sign up on these exchanges by the end of this year. what do republicans say to these nine million people if they lose their health care? >> they're going to say too late, you already voted for us. because that's basically what they're gambling on here. they want to do this big show vote, as you said, and make

president obama veto it. but i think privately, and even publicly, a lot of republicans out there in ohio, in kentucky, they don't want to see the affordable care act repealed. they don't want the supreme court to gut it next year, because they recognize that people, even though they don't necessarily like the name, people are enjoying the expanded medicare, enjoying the fact that pre-existing conditions aren't keeping them off. and this would be absolute chaos financially at a human rights level if this bill were to be repealed. >> this quote is really making the rounds, michelle, today. senator ted cruz said net neutrality, a policy he doesn't like, is obamacare for the internet. and cruz isn't the only one to use this phrase. mitch mcconnell once called dodd-frank obamacare for banks. and jack kingston said common care standards is obamacare for education. so obamacare has become

shorthand for anything they don't like? >> i guess it's a switch from katrina. now it's everything is obamacare for x. this is the way the base gets riled up. obamacare has become something completely political, and the way to get people's -- hit their gut level reaction is to call something obamacare. but as you note, it's very popular with a lot of people. a lot of people are signing up on these exchanges. and the longer it is around, the harder it is to take that entitlement away from people. which is something ted cruz, to his credit, warned of last year when they were in the frenzy to keep this from happening. >> jason, when you see people like david tedrow, who we had on the show last night, who are being helped by this, people over politics will always outrun the clock? >> well, definitely. and what is key about his story, he is someone who did get

dropped from his doctor and ended up with a better deal. and i think that's the other part of the story that's not being discussed. does the affordable care act work for everybody? no, it doesn't work for everybody. but the vast majority of people participating are getting a benefit from it. taking that benefit away is not going to help business. walmart is behind the affordable care act, because big business doesn't want to subsidize their employees anymore. the republicans just don't care, they just want to score points. jason johnson and michelle cottle, thank you both for your time tonight. >> thanks, rev. >> thank you, rev. still ahead, stunning new details about the death of joan rivers. killed by the same drug that killed michael jackson. it's in tonight's justice file. also the gop unveils a new plan to attack hillary and it's a doozy. stay with us. you owned your car for four years.

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of human health and services reveals big mistakes, everything from not getting joan's consent, to a doctor taking a cell phone photo that could have contributed to the mecomedian's death. quote, the physicians in charge of care of rivers failed to identify deteriorating vital signs and provide timely intervention during the procedures. lawyers for rivers' daughter melissa say she is, quote, outraged by the misconduct and mismanagement now shown to have occurred before, during, and after the procedure. yorkville endoscopy responded saying, in part, in response to the statement of deficiencies, yorkville's immediately submitted and implemented a plan of correction that addressed all issues raised. so what happens next? what might civil charges look like? and will we see criminal charges? lisa, let's start there.

criminal charges? >> absolutely. i mean, this is really a scathing federal investigation report. you get the picture that joan rivers is lying there, losing her life, oxygen not going to her brain. a doctor is taking a cell phone picture of her, instead of doing what doctors are supposed to be doing, monitoring her vital signs, monitoring her medication. they didn't even get informed consent for all of the procedures that were performed on her. to me, this all adds up to gross negligence and i expect criminal justice charges would be forth coming. >> midwin, i see you nodding your head. lisa's right. in addition to criminal justice charges clearly there's going to be here, a civil lawsuit, a wrongful death lawsuit, which is usually when the person who is surviving steps into the shoes of the person who has died and sues for negligence. i think this is one of those classic cases. it's unfortunate, but this is a case that i can see is going to

be successful. it's going to be very easy to prove that there was gross negligence here and proper protocol was not followed with respect to the care that joan rivers received. >> lisa, what kind of timeline would we be looking at for criminal charges? >> that's up to the prosecutor. sometimes prosecutors do the right thing. something they don't. here we have a beloved figure, joan rivers, who lost her life with clear negligence on the part of the medical professionals. if it was just one or two of these items, they might look the other way, but there's now a mountain of evidence indicating that this clinic really botched the job. so i would expect, i would hope the prosecutors behind closed doors are looking through all of the evidence and that charges would be coming soon. >> you know, midwin, lisa says a mountain of evidence. a mentioned some of the mistakes the clinic made from that report, including rivers did not give informed consent for all

the procedures performed on her. rivers' personal doctor was allowed to perform a procedure on her, even though she didn't have privileges at the clinic. and the doctor performing the endoscopy took a cell phone photo of rivers while she was sedated. i mean, that doctor is no longer practicing in the clinic, but how will these issues factor into a civil suit, let's say? >> i think they would be very clear. joan rivers' patient rights were clearly violated here. whenever a patient goes under the knife, or undergoes any sort of procedure, that patient has the right to make the ultimate decision with respect to what exactly will the procedure be? you cannot go under the knife and then all of a sudden change the type of procedure that the patient thought they were going to get. nor can you sort of disrespect that patient while they are under and take photographs of that patient on the sort of whim that perhaps that's what she wanted. no, there must be informed

consent and you don't have that here. so i think should there be a civil suit, that's one of the claims that they can put in the suit, in addition to wrongful death, a violation of her rights as a patient. >> you know, you were here last time, lisa. you mentioned -- you reminded me really of the michael jackson case, which also involved the propofol and the hhs investigation. you still stand by that after this report, i'm sure. >> isn't it sad that we've lost two major american celebrities to this medication propofol, allegedly being mishandled after they were sedated. after the michael jackson case and the huge trial, i would argue, if i were representing melissa rivers in this wrongful death cases and we do a lot of them in my law firm, this gives heightened knowledge to all medical professionals that propofol is a very dangerous

substance, that you should at the minimum have an anesthesiologist on hand who knows what's going on. with an 81-year-old, this should have been done in a hospital. you just line up the medical standards and they failed to meet them. this is a strong case. let's go to a billion-dollar case. billion with a b. oil tycoon harold hamm is the ceo of continental resources and the country's 24th richest man, worth over $18 billion. and after 26 years of marriage, his wife filed for divorce, claiming he was cheating. they never signed a prenup and a judge ruled hamm must pay his ex-wife $995.5 million. her legal team is reportedly evaluating options. midwin, what do you think? did she deserve more money in the divorce?

>> well, legally, a divorcing spouse is entitled to live the lifestyle they had while they were married. and i tell my clients this all the time. first of all, before you decide to get married, get a prenup. it's very, very difficult afterwards to sort of walk back and pedal. now the marital estate here is worth about $17 billion. okay, just let that sink in. $17 billion. so she's walking away with $995 million. it's my understanding that her attorneys actually wanted some of the shares of continental that he owns. he owns about 68% of continental shares. when this news broke out, the shares went down by 1.6%. but i think she's getting what the law requires. it seems like a lot of money for you and i, regular folk, but this is what the law requires -- >> the lifestyle -- >> -- when it comes to divorce law. >> because of the divorce law and the lifestyle, does it

satisfy that? >> she should get half. it doesn't matter what the total number is. i'm going to disagree with my friend midwin on this one point. not everybody should have a prenup. the wealthy party should have a prenup. the other party doesn't want the prenup because it's going to hurt her -- and it's usually a her -- in the long run. if he made ten billion dollars in the course of a marriage, she should get half. marriage is a partnership. people with a supportive spouse at home, they do better in the workplace, they do better financially. he was an intelligent man, could have had a prenup. didn't have one. she's entitled to half. i say, give her half. >> lisa bloom and midwin charles, thank you both for your time. coming up, the republicans' new attack on hillary clinton. bill clinton weighs in on possibly be the first husband on

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tehrani, the grill's chris witherspoon and attorney faith jenkins. thank you all for being here. >> thanks, rev. we start with the democrat who is fast becoming the target of attacks from the republicans. hillary clinton. the rnc has sent out an e-mail titled "high-flying hillary," hitting her for travel expenses for election-year campaign event. in an attempt to make the 2016 contender appear out of touch with voters. so, caroline, what's behind all the attacks on her health, her age, her political influence? is the gop scared? >> yes, they are. they're terrified. i tell you why, it's ironic when the gop start talking about money. this is also the party that stands very much for citizens united. if they want to talk about too much money in politics, by the

by the $4 billion midterm elections, they might want to look at their own back door. for a ton of money in politics, but talk down to hillary and criticize her spending. i think they're terrified and this is a kind of pathetic attack, actually. >> is this just player-hating on big public figures. >> totally player-hating. they're the clintons. they're american royalty. i don't want to see them on a domestic delta flight. they were flying on air force one for eight years. how do you go from that to not spending on private jets and having the luxurious travel experience? i'm not mad about their spending. >> there shouldn't be a controversy. they have to travel with their social security detail. former first lady and former president of the united states. no surprise they're traveling with a private jet and with an entourage, by nature of their history and who they are and the safety issues and concerns. so this is a non-issue. this is the way things are going

to be when you have been the leader of the free world. >> absolutely. >> i remember before you got your new show -- [ laughter ] -- but i mean, the fact of the matter is that, are we in for seeing this for the next two years? she hasn't even said she's running yet, but assuming she runs, are we going to see a lot of this? >> yes, we are. a hate to be the bearer of bad news, but this is what it's going to be like. they don't really have any real ammunition. they're not criticizing her policies, not that she's espoused many clear ones yet. but they're criticizing her travel, her age. for goodness sake, if you want to criticize her, at least get some damn facts. >> ooh, man. [ laughter ] >> former president clinton was on ellen's show today and she tried to find out from him. it was really funny, let me show you this. >> i do want to say something seriously, but i don't know what

hillary's going to do. that's true. if i did, i wouldn't tell you, but i don't know. >> i'm just saying, if you only had one, if you could only -- i'm just -- if you could only pick one, because like i can't afford to give you both. >> if i pick that one, it would be best for the country. if i did that, then hillary would start taking me up to total strangers and saying, have you met my first husband? it's not a decision for me to make. >> he came back pretty good on that one. >> yeah. he's bill clinton. he's charming. he's always going to work the audience and work the crowd. i saw that interview today and i thought he was really funny. he knows the right answers to give. >> when he pointed and said, that would be best for the country. i'm just saying. >> yes. >> but i think ellen could have afforded two of those. >> she's hilarious. now to the plus-size model

controversy that's trending online today. we told you last night how the new face of calvin klein perfectly fit campaign is sparking controversy. the model who is a size 10, referred to herself as a, quote, bigger girl, and it's led to a massive social media debate on body image, and whether she should be considered a plus-size model. today she spoke out on the "today" show. >> i think that calvin klein has done something that's really ground-breaking, which is, they released this campaign, with what some would say is a normal size model, a size 10, i am a size 10. and we don't -- size 10 girls, there's not a lot of spots for us to fit in in the fashion industry. and they released this campaign with me right alongside all of the other girls of varying shapes and sizes and didn't make a fuss about it. >> is this a ground-breaking move on the part of the fashion industry, or is it just lip

service? >> i think that if calvin klein had promoted her as a plus-size model, perhaps it would be lip service because she would be the only person. but i don't understand why this is so controversial. they just hired her to be part of an ad campaign. they didn't say we're hiring you because you're larger. they hired her because they said they wanted to show, in this campaign, and what they were trying to promote the diversity of their clothing that people from all different shapes and sizes can wear it. isn't that what we want calvin klein to do? isn't that when we want other designers to do? >> you're the trend-setting expert. what does this mean? >> i love the term she used. i think he said she was in between a runway model and kind of in between being overweight. i think she looks amazing. this is a message to women of all sizes across the country. you don't have to be a size 2 to be high fashion. if you look around, curves are

in right now. so she's the prototype of what's hot right now in my opinion. >> it's just a double-edged sword on -- >> you let him say curves are in? >> listen, listen. >> amen to that, as someone who is representing curves. but it's just so difficult, this particular story. it's a double-edge sword. on the one hand, it's great. calvin klein didn't make a big show. they just put her out, this is a model, this is a campaign and this is the way it is. this should be normal. the fact that the industry supports a size 10 size a quote, bigger girl, that's not the model's problem. it's an industry issue. i think that is a thing that doesn't go away. so well done, calvin klein, for putting out this model and not making a big fanfare of it. this needs to be the norm. and please don't attach a bigger label when we're putting out a beautiful woman. she's just a beautiful woman. >> and i always say, you should

never strive to look like women in the magazines, because they don't look like that themselves with all the airbrushing and everything that happens. >> and by the way, i object, chris got the amen. [ laughter ] >> more ahead with our panel. if you won over $10 million in the lottery, would you keep plowing driveways? this man says yes. also, they fought for america. america needs to fight for them. on veterans day, honoring our troops with jobs and opportunity. the conference call.

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built for business. >> we're back with the panel, caroline, chris, and faith, what would you do if you won the lottery? meet the minnesota retiree who won $11.7 million in the lottery, but instead of blowing town to some tropical paradise, joe plans to continue plowing his neighbors' driveways this winter. something he'd promised to do before he hit the jackpot. >> it's been fine. we bought another house, bought a motor home. besides that, it's been a little difficult with trying to figure out what to do with the money. >> racked up on his chevy pickup, nearly $300,000. >> i bought it used. no, i'm not going to buy a new plow. >> chris, would you show up to

work the next day? >> i'd be on the first plane to puerto rico or somewhere in the caribbean. let's be real. but i get where he's coming from. i'm from ohio, plowing snow is like a rite of passage, a sport amongst men. so i kind of get it, but i guess i don't get it. >> there are a lot of people who do their jobs, not for the money, but because they love what they do. he's obviously a very lucky individual, he won the lottery. so i would. >> what a wonderful man. such a community spirit. i love what he's doing. i also feel like, you can't really give up your job for $12 million. because in this day and age, apparently it doesn't go that far anymore. >> have an idea. if you have $12 million, why not hire somebody to plow the snow for you? >> he's not doing it for work. >> and i like that he's serving his community. community service before

thanksgiving and the polar vortex. >> most lottery winner who is win millions of dollars go broke, because they don't know, they change everything about their lives, go broke, lose all the money. >> so this shows he's still level-headed and sober as well and proper handling of his finances. >> he said they purchased a home and motor home, they're made purchases, but this is someone who said, i like my life, i like what i do, and he wants to continue doing that. >> shouldn't money enhance the life you live, rather than change the life you live? >> i think so. but he can step up and buy a new truck and a new plow. >> if he doesn't know what to do with the money, he can call us and i can help him spend that money. >> thank you all for your time tonight. we'll be right back with the real way to honor our vets on this veterans day. stay with us.

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>> we close tonight remembering our veterans and the need to fight for them when they come back home. today npr host michelle norris tweeted out this photo. showing black world war ii vets in birmingham, alabama, turned away as they tried to register to vote. they fought for freedom overseas, but were denied freedom back home. their plight highlighted a basic injustice in the country and led to change. now we're facing a new problem for vets from afghanistan and iraq, coming home to a crisis of opportunity. last year the average unemployment rate for these vets were 9%. nearly 2% higher than the jobless rate for non-veterans. this needs to change. the first lady talked about that when announcing a new jobs program for veterans. >> the fact that any of you are

worrying about where your next paycheck is going to come from, or struggling to put food on the table, that should be appalling to all of us as americans. there are still far too many hurdles out there for our veterans, and we're going to keep working until each and every one of you has a job, and not just any job, but a good job. a job you can raise a family on. yeah. >> our vets need jobs, opportunity, and a fair shot, just like all americans across the country. there are ways to help. you can reach out to the groups on the screen, but we also need politicians in washington to fight for vets every day. not just on veterans day. in this very pollarized and partisan climate, there should be one thing we can all unite around as americans, and that's the support of our vets. we may not agree on all the

wars, but they didn't set the policy. they fought to protect all of us, we should fight to make sure they're protected and that opportunities are available to them as they made themselves available for us. thanks for watching. i'm al sharpton, "hardball" starts right now. ♪ the american dream, can democrats deliver? let's play "hardball." ♪ ♪ good evening, i'm chris matthews in washington. i said last night that the biggest issue of our time is that of war and peace. can we elect leaders who can avoid the knee-jerk decision to send in the american military? well, tonight the other big question. can our leaders build up the middle class? can they restore that old, very american forward momentum, where each generation does bte